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Rumel
October 3rd,2002, 10:24 PM
I once saw a show on the BBC when LOTR first hit the big screen, one of the tofee nosed people said that the story lacked sex, would u guys agree with this for the silmarillion because the story is a lot more darker then LOTR or has the lack of it taken anything away from the story?

Finrod Felagund
October 3rd,2002, 11:54 PM
No sex, I can't even think of anything even implied except for children being born. I think JRR's Victorian morals probably inhibited him from giving anything more than the most distant recognition of what men and women do together when no one else is around. (and sometimes are around just for the thrill)
One of the reasons I think Slash Fanfics are blasphemous.
I've found explicit sex distracting from stories. I either read stories for the sex or the story.

In summary: no and no

Turin and Nienor.... yech..

Sindarin
October 8th,2002, 05:03 PM
Lack of sex? Sex is not the theme behind LOTR & The SIlmarillion.

There may be romance, yet sex is not what they are about, so there need not be any implied, whether on the page, or on the screen.

Whoever said that was out of their mind.

Lord Raistlin
October 10th,2002, 01:17 PM
it is more on war and romance

Algamesh
October 10th,2002, 03:46 PM
Uh ... I think the fault here is due to unimaginative people. Do we really have to see the explicit details before we can understand that children of all races have been popping up in ME for years? ;)

JRRT meant to compose an epic about the WOTR ... I'm glad the books aren't filled with a bunch of overt sexuality.

:thumbs:

Catz
October 10th,2002, 04:33 PM
agreed Algy.....simply because it isnt mentioned doesnt mean it doesnt happenlol.....one has to assume it does, at the very least iin the case of men...
:catz:

Lord Raistlin
October 10th,2002, 06:42 PM
J RR want the story to be clean!

Lessa
October 25th,2002, 01:32 PM
When you read a war story you generally don't want the narrative stopped so that two people can have sex now do you?

Lessa

Lady Melody
November 17th,2002, 01:16 PM
Personally I love the thrill of the fighting, and adventure... for God sakes, why disturb the whole pleasure of it to bother about two people who's just doing what ALL people in love usually do so why don't we just leave it just as it is already?

Gatsby
November 18th,2002, 07:38 PM
indeed... i think sex would seem completely out of place... it would cheapen the entire experience

Rumel
November 19th,2002, 11:47 AM
really do you think it would cheapen things, i dont think it would do that, the story deals with alot of death and loss, why not have the ast of creation involved to balance things out, u never do know how elves are born, do u?
and it sometimes make you wonder how an elf and a maia got it together (thingol and melian) lol
i know in such a dark book like this, it would seem silly to stop the narrative for sex, but i dont think it would cheapen the story at all, it would just be hard to place.

Lady Melody
November 19th,2002, 01:57 PM
In other words, it'll just confuse the plot up. But still, he did put there a bunch of people in love, although not elaborated throughly... which is why I prefer it... I'll give the guy one thing, he can describe a landscape enough for me to imagine it dreamily suring Math class *hehehe*

Isiltári
November 22nd,2002, 06:29 AM
Trust me.....in my imagination, there's plenty of sex going on between the appropriate characters. ;) Just like Algamesh said.....how do you think children happen in Middle-earth? And Elves do procreate the same way as Men -- Tolkien was clear about this in his letters.

I certainly don't need (or want) to read explicit sexual description to understand that sex goes on in Middle-earth.

Tar-Palantír
December 19th,2003, 04:47 PM
About all this I think that Tolkien was pretty true to writing like in the medieval times, where the church had sort of banned all talk about sex. So why should he not stay true to this, as he did with everything else?
Besides, I personally think that it puts the story aside for a while.

MithrandirTheWhite
December 19th,2003, 10:57 PM
yeah and some of these people are old a weary, there was no blue pill back then, and if one character gets a sex scene they all do and i don't want to picture 2 dwarves..... (shivers)
haha
but i'm sure tolkein to make a scene in such a way that it would be described beatifully and romantic and all that good stuff

Warrior Alien
January 17th,2004, 07:41 PM
Originally posted by MithrandirTheWhite
i don't want to picture 2 dwarves..... (shivers)

Not to mention, Tolkien clarified that even female dwarves were hairy. Eeeeeee.

Fëalossë
February 1st,2004, 02:56 AM
roflmao And they had deep voices! I'd hate to be a dwarf. :naughty: mecry


Anyways! Tolkien was a Christian himself, and he meant the story for all people to be allowed to read. He wrote the Hobbit for his children, so he couldn't really pollute the rest of the story with sex (even if he thought it was okay himself). I'm glad there's no sex in any of the stories, because I wouldn't read it, being a Christian myself. I agree with Isiltari, some things should be left to the imagination.