Arwen in TTT: What Do You Think?

[legolaslover]

What do you think about Arwen in TTT! It really makes me mad that they make her a warrior/fighter instead of a healer. I mean I understand that they have to have her a bit in the movie but THEY SHOULDN"T HAVE HER FIGHTING!!!! ekkkk it really makes me mad!!!! verymad

[Lady Ashley]

Well, it's not been OFFICIALLY said she would FIGHT. It might have even been denied somewhere.

I don't want her in TT. Fine, put her in Glorfindel's part, but sheesh! Yet it's not like Hollywood to put someone in Movie ! and leave them out of the rest of the films. I had a very strong feeling long ago that she'd be back, and lo and behold! there she is.

But what good will talking do? The film is made. Too late! Maybe there'll be a real, good, logical reason she's there. But gee! What's gonna happen with Eowyn? Yet...there's no evidence so far that they actually MEET, though doubtless they will. That'll be highly amusing!

[legolaslover]

Yeah but i finally go tove the fellowship and if she fights in TTT im gonna freak!!

[Sindarin]

Well, I'm not pleased about Arwen fighting in TTT either, yet we're just going to have to accept it. :rolleyes:

[Mirkgirl]

Originally posted by Lady Ashley Thalionwen
Maybe there'll be a real, good, logical reason she's there. But gee! What's gonna happen with Eowyn? Yet...there's no evidence so far that they actually MEET, though doubtless they will. That'll be highly amusing!

What logic? the logic that the film needs more women? ;)
Well I sincerely hope it's not the only reason... they can't give a good enough reason IMO but still
MEET? I think the story will loose a lot if Eowyn thinks she's in love with Aragorn while Arwen is there - in the book Eowyn thinks she loves Aragorn because he's a king and hero maybe the only man who deserves her (I just can't formulate it). But if Arwen is there it'll be a lot more like "Damn you elven princess I'm better than you, I'll get the hot man king you can go and sail."
The whole idea of the book is lost this way.

[TheRingBearer]

Was Arwen even in the TT book? At the most they should have her in scenes with Elrond and any flashbacks with Aragorn but the whole delivering his sword thing is a bit too far.

[Mirkgirl]

No Arwen was not in TTT. Actually Tolkien never mentions her name in Book III and Book IV.

[Elrenia]

Well, it is official Arwen fights :rolleyes: But worst...Eowyn and Arwen actually meet.:elfeek: ....Miranda Otto, in an interview said that she and co-star Liv Tyler had scenes together and "took combat fighting for women" .

There is no limit, it seems pfbbt

[Eme]

I'm not happy at all that Arwen will get her big Elephant figure (inside thing) to TTT. I don't like her. I didn't like her in FoTR either, because she took Glorfindel's part. In the book she was ok, coz there was so little of her.
And if she'll take in RoTK Eowyn's 'great moment' I swear I'll never watch LoTR movies again.

[Mirkgirl]

Originally posted by Elrenia
But worst...Eowyn and Arwen actually meet.:elfeek: ....Miranda Otto, in an interview said that she and co-star Liv Tyler had scenes together and "took combat fighting for women" .
Well combat fighting for women calls some images in my head which will make Tolkien get up from grave and strangle PJ. As I said a personal oppose between those two will ruin the idea of the book anyway.
Originally posted by Eme
In the book she was ok, coz there was so little of her.
Well I don't quite agree here... If Tolkien needed more of Arwen he'd make her fit in and she'd be good no doubt.
Originally posted by Eme
her big Elephant figure
Well I wouldn't go there... but her Oliphaunt lips are another topic ;)

[King_of_Angmar]

Originally posted by TheRingBearer
Was Arwen even in the TT book? At the most they should have her in scenes with Elrond and any flashbacks with Aragorn but the whole delivering his sword thing is a bit too far.

The sword will not be delivered to Aragorn by Arwen. It will be given to him by Elrond in ROTK. This information is from the
webmaster of the German forum where I use to be. He was in
Cannes and saw the 25 minute trailer shown there - and in it
was the scene of Elrond giving Anduril to Aragorn.


@Eme: Arwen will not take Eowyns "great moment" (I don't
thing it's that great....:( ). Miranda Otto said in an interview that
she in role of Eowyn kills the Witch-King.

@Arwen fighting at Helm's Deep: I once read some interview
with Peter Jackson, where he said that this scenes had been
filmed. But they were cut from the movie, due to Liv Tyler not
being able to play it properly and that it didn't fit to the character
Arwen. Of course, I don't know if this is true...

[legolaslover]

EKKKKKKK!!!!! OMG on the new TTT poster has a really big picture of Arwen on it!!! EKKKKK I am not gonna want to see this movie as many times as I say the other one!!!!verymad :flamer:

[TheRingBearer]

Its a nice picture ;)... but not needed lol

[Lady Ashley]

yes, her head takes up too much space. Put somone else in her place. How about a small version of Eomer's head? Give Frodo a bigger portion?

[Mirkgirl]

Well we can still hope that she got bigger place on the poster as a compensation to her not that big role in the movie (dull explanation, but one can hope, right? :p)

[Tar-Ancalimë]

hope yeah but i wish shed been left out of the movie. and shown only in rivendell in fotr. i think youre right irky, jt will live and strangle pj. this is awful. like you said, it's eowyn's movie, let eowyn have it!!!!

[Elrenia]

Oh yes! I agree with you guys....the Arwen thing is just because of Liv Tyler stardom I guess and marketing...Hopefully, they won't make a double wedding at the end, after what we saw with Arwen everything is possible...OMG for sure this would be my reaction verymad pfbbt

[legolaslover]

They should have a BIG picture of Legolas!!!!!! that would be cool!!:rolleyes:

[Mirkgirl]

heh that's the next best thing after Arwen
I'm sure that'll draw a lot of fangirls in the movie theaters... but Legolas is not a main character and the few extra lines PJ gave him so he can be on the screen for longer time don't make him one. :rolleyes:

[Daisy Gamgee]

Ok, I read in the SFX article '101 reason to see TTT) that they had filmed shots of Arwen fighting but they won't be using them as they decided it did not fit the storyline. Imo, Arwen's part wasn't increased so liv Tyler could have more screen time - it was to make her relationship with Aragorn more pluasible, without making people who had not read the book think wtf?? When I read the book, and he spurned Eowyn, I thought wtf?? and it wasn't till i read the end and the appendixes that I understood why he did that. I think most of Aragorn and Eowyns interaction will take place before Arwen appears in the movie - and I doubt PJ is as stupid as to have Eowyn and Arwen meet.
The books and the movie are 2 different things - if you don't like how PJ had done things, you could always not watch it !! (not trying to be *****y there!!)
I for one, am looking forward extremely to the next film, and I'm not really bothered about the changes that have been made - FOTR was amazing and awesome, even with all the differences to the books, and I'm sure PJ will not let fans down.:thumbs:

[Elrenia]

Well, Daisy, what you say it is true, the movie and the books are two different things as most of adaptation of books in cinema... And it does not mean that I did not like the movie and I am looking forward the two others also..It is just as a fan of Tolkien, my vision of the movie would have been different though I have an enormous respect for PJ art and his conception of Tolkien's books...:grin: :grin: :grin: Everybody has his own point of view and that's wonderful because if we agreed everything...well we would have not much to say ;) :thumbs:

[legolaslover]

I think they should have a BIG picture of Legolas!!!

[legolaslover]

Actually they really should have a big pic of gandalf and aragorn because they have really big roles!

[Bonos-Girl]

they should have a big pic of everyone!!! :drool:

[Lady Melody]

Women = the more beautiful they are and in the scenes, the more money reeled in from suckers who just watched the movie for the actors (No offence intended). And this gender, appeals to both boys and girls movie-goers because most girls have no problem about other girl's good luck at being beautiful, and guys...well, you get the deal.

Men = only appeals to girls (not including uh, you get my drift), not much marketing appeal, and the Men-dominated movies don't reel in as much cash as girls, for some reason (Du-uh)

And THAT is why, my friends, Arwen's pic is bigger than everyone elses...

It still sucks that Arwen's fighting in Helm's Deep though. Girls aren't usually accepted as fighters in Middle Earth, for some reason.

[Luthien]

Well honestly everyone knows and is making a bit deal that
"Arwen isn't in TTT, ARWEN ISN'T IN TTT" but none of us have seen the movie yet, and maybe her parts are just possibly what she did while Aragorn was gone ya think? Maybe the scenes with her and Aragorn in the trailers are like visions or dreams. And about Helms Deep like people have said that hasn't been confirmed yet. That's just my opinion on the subject.

[Ithielnor]

Originally posted by King_of_Angmar
@Eme: Arwen will not take Eowyns "great moment" (I don't
thing it's that great....:( ). Miranda Otto said in an interview that
she in role of Eowyn kills the Witch-King.

thanks for clearing that up. I swear I nearly fainted;)(j/k)
but that really would've ruined the whole movie.

[Iarfirithwen]

I've said a lot of this elsewhere, but I'm pretty much in agreement with everyone else here. TTT is Eowyn's vehicle, and Eowyn is the one in the unusual (given the standard in Middle-Earth much like the medievil etc standard of women not fighting) position of being independent and courageous and being able to show it a little bit (but remember what Gandalf said to Eomer in the houses of Healing in ROTK (book) about her having his spirit but being trapped in a maidens body with a maidens duties or something like that).
I didn't mind Arwen in FOTR or what they did to include her. I don't mind her being in TTT(film) ASLONG as she in confined to Rivendell, Lothlorien and Aragorn's dreams. Which I think I read in an article somewhere. I really don't mind them exploring things not explicit in TTT. I was really happy with FOTR (thats a bit of an understatement) But then I've also seen a piccy of her somewhere of her wearing a fighting outfit (labelled as such or battle dress or somesuch. She has her hair tied back, she's on Asfaloth, new costume. Can't remember where I saw it, though I considered the possibility it could be on the Pelennor Fields or Helms Deep). I hope what is said about scenes of her fighting in helms deep if filmed have indeed been cut.
If they do anything for Arwen to overshadaw Eowyn I'll scream. i really will. REALLY LOUDLY ! [need a screaming smiley inaddition to exploding smiley]
I don't mind if they cut stuff, add stuff, or move stuff, but if they change someones character in the films so that the film character is in opposition to the books character (ala those horrible Faramir-is-a-pale-shadow-of-Boromir rumours, grrr) I'll go crazy. Really really really verymad

[Lady Melody]

Faramir = Hope
Boromir = Hopelessness

And that, my friend, is self-explainary (If you really delve into the hidden meanings of the book!)

[krylite]

Hi all,

Migrating here after having experienced tolkienonline.net movie forum..yuk.

Guess i'll comment on the Arwen thing to start out.

Having seen Arwen in the FOTR was ok, but that was about it.
I didn't think Liv Tyler was that effective in her Rivendell scenes with Aragorn. But like some have implied, it seems New Line
is creating a big female part in the FOTR and the TTT when there shouldn't have been any except for marketing reasons
such as gender based audience targetting. And that fails too imo, since it seems the general consensus is that while Liv Tyler may be hot in her live interviews as herself, her role and performance as Arwen isn't. I would much rather see Cate Blanchette as Galadriel in more action scenes involving a "big" female role shooting a bow or casting magic or some such.

I remember watching ST:TNG and knew another guy who mainly watched it sometimes to see Marini Sirtis as Troi's "assets". So it's funny in that I'm guessing non-fans of a genre would be more interested in the actors/actresses themselves while a fan would tend to disapprove of an ineffectual performance even by an attractive cast member. So I guess New Line has covered their bases for the fans and non-fans who are just learning about Middle-Earth from the movies., in the use of Arwen no matter how much of a part her role should or shouldn't be in the movies.

[Tar-Ancalimë]

i take offense at the statement above the last in boromirs name :)... he did not represent hopelessness, he only did not see until too late. however, he did see, and he does represent hope to the kingdom of gondor, devestating the entire country when he was lost mecry

awww boromir...

lol wow thats off topic. so, arwen, um, somewhat i agree with you, krylite, but still, there arent that many who think liv as arwen is hot... compared to those that hate her... and compared to the orli lovers lol

[Iarfirithwen]

Did I mention that I ate a whole block of Legolas yesterday [yes, just me :naughty:] and it was indeed delicious as it said on the front wrapper ;)

[If you want to know I'm refering to a block of Cadbury Snack Chocolate and yes I felt a little Ill afterwards]

I don't mind Liv as Arwen, I mean she has a kind of elvish face and did ok (though I wouldn't say great) in her scenes. I mean I went into FOTR expecting really bad things with her character, so I was actually impressed in the end [*I can hear the gasps from shock over here* ;)]. Its always hard to say someone else would've done better because the dynamics between actors change. I can also understand why they changed her role in the film from the book. BUT she had better not take the attention away from Eowyn in TTT or I'll be extrememely ... lets say unhappy ;).

[Iarfirithwen]

I will say though that like Krylite I would've prefered to see more of Cate than Liv, if they wanted to beef of the female parts, actually they cut back on hers. And who keeps voting for Arwen on the Tolkien Online (http://www.tolkienonline.com/) poll ???(my suggestion and I'm really proud of it. i only put in Arwen to increase numbers, and they included Haldir which I totally forgot.) I mean, Liv was ok but given the choice of who has improved with the SEE-DVD most I would put Arwen last. The teary farewell scene was not better than Celeborns, Gimli's or Galadriels extended role. Even Elrond improved more with the memorial scene.

[Undomiel]

Originally posted by Daisy Gamgee
Ok, I read in the SFX article '101 reason to see TTT) that they had filmed shots of Arwen fighting but they won't be using them as they decided it did not fit the storyline. Imo, Arwen's part wasn't increased so liv Tyler could have more screen time - it was to make her relationship with Aragorn more pluasible, without making people who had not read the book think wtf?? When I read the book, and he spurned Eowyn, I thought wtf?? and it wasn't till i read the end and the appendixes that I understood why he did that. I think most of Aragorn and Eowyns interaction will take place before Arwen appears in the movie - and I doubt PJ is as stupid as to have Eowyn and Arwen meet.


Absolutely to all of that. I read that article too, and various others that say exactly the same thing. I think i would have been annoyed if she'd fought at Helm's Deep but not devastated. I thought the trailers looked quite encouraging on this subject. They've done enuf to make the love story plausible which is good, coz in the book it's only in the appendices, and why does everyone seem to hate Liv so much? I think she's a good actress. I miss Glorfindel, but i thought she did a good job with the lines she was given-some of which were a bit cheesy i admit-after all it's not like she wrote them herself.

[legolaslover]

Well I dont care if Awren is going to ruin like the whole movie(okay that was a bit exaggerated) I am still going to see TTT like 50 million times or maybe more...!!!

[legolaslover]

An another thing I have nothing against Liv and I really dont think she is that pretty she has too much make-up on!! grrr

[Iarfirithwen]

Just retrieving this thread from the depths of Page 4.
TORn (http://www.theonering.net/perl/newsview/2/1042493150) has posted some links to photos (originating at the "Council of Elrond") suggesting that,
a)Arwen definitely was originally filmed at Helms Deep, and
b) that they didn't quite erase all images of her from the film.
It looks like her in the "battledress" we've seen pictures of here (http://www.warofthering.net/movies/photos/ttt/people/arwen/temps/image1.shtml) and here (http://www.warofthering.net/movies/photos/ttt/people/arwen/temps/image6.shtml)

Even Tyler has said in an interview somewhere that things were changed and filmed 7 months ago to keep things closer to the books. I can imagine when it was all originally filmed (before FOTR was released) that they probably wouldn't have thought it a problem (if indeed she was filmed there). But then when fans started to vent about Arwen taking Glorfindel's part I can imagine they would've guessed the reaction to having Arwen fight at Helms Deep.:elfeek:
Otto said that the whole thing with Eowyn had also been brought back in line with the books.

I think it highly likely Arwen was filmed there. Those pictures certainly lend the idea some cred.

[MestUpKid]

I'm still p.o'd over the Glorfindel thing pfbbt

[Undomiel]

yeah i've seen pictures of her there and countless interviews, including one with Brian Sibley who wrote "the making of the trilogy" that state that scenes of Arwen at HD were definitely filmed but they decided that they didnt work. Apparently they felt they were going down a Xena Warrior Princess road which would have been completely wrong for the film.

[Little Devil]

Good, glad they realised, just can't imagine Arwen at HD, she's ok I don't hate her, but it would be just weird for her fighting. ;)

[Gwaihir]

I'm glad she had a part in FotR because I think it was good to have some romance in it, but she shouldn't fight. She is very calm and peaceful... or that's my impression of her in the books. Anyway, she doesn't even talk until RotK in the books. I don't really care for Liv Tyler. She's a typical actress to me. :)

~Originally posted by legolaslover
Another thing I have nothing against Liv and I really dont think she is that pretty she has too much make-up on!! grrr
I totally agree about her makeup! Her face looks so weird with it. And her eyelashes!! roflmao They cover her eyes!