Cave troll scene

[WinterSoul]

Did you like it or not?
or you wanted to see that orc leader?

[Fatty]

I wanted that Orc Captain to skewer Frodo, as per the cartoon and the book. :-) Its a great description.

The troll was there for the action figure I think ;-)

Still it was well done, apart from when Legolas runs up and jumps on it, very dodgy cgi there I think.

[A! Elbereth]

They kinda smooshed the Moria seen tight.... It was actually a while before Frodo showed them the Mithril coat... and Aragorn had to carry him a ways before they new he was alive

[WinterSoul]

well yeah but that normal when you have to put the whole FOTR book down to a three hour movie. There were a lot of things changed.
From switched character verses to Arwen's mixed role with Glorfindel :)
So i put up with that .
actually when i watch it now i no longer compare to the book. That's a big improvement for me lol
Now i remember saying something to a friend of mine some time ago. I said " I wouldn't mind if it's 10 hours long, just let it be completely based on the book". What do you say about that?
And about the troll - it was specially done for the action fans. no doubt about that. But i must admit it was a good scene.
Still i wanned to see the filthy ORc :(

[A! Elbereth]

I agree... I wouldnt care if The three movies all together took 2 days to watch! The more the better (Especially of my darling Frodo):o Did I say that?

[Illuvatar]

I personally thought they could have done both. Wouldn't have been too hard to do I think, and wouldn't have added to much time to the movie. :cool:

[Bonos-Girl]

hey, you know the bit where aragorn rushes to frodo? If you look really closely you can see the rocks move as if they are made out of cardboard, i cracked up in the cinema when i saw it but everyone else was like,'why are you laughing frodo has just been stabbed', just made me laugh even more!!

[A! Elbereth]

hehelol lol :evilcool: :cool:

[Gil-Galad]

Its off topic but, when frodo was stabbed, did he not looked like he was kicked in the private parts?

[A! Elbereth]

awww now that was uncalled for... I think he did a good job acting like he got stabbed... besides.. I'm sure that a little Hobbit getting stabbed is a far greater pain than a human

[Sindarin]

I enjoyed watching the fight scene in Moria, and thought the filmmakers did a good job bringing that particular section of the novel to film. It was all good.:thumbs:

[Mirkgirl]

The scene was boring i usually just go the next bookmark... well I just fall asleep in the cinema ;)

I didn't like Moria's look at all, neither the Moria was Moria nor the Balrog was a Balrog

[A! Elbereth]

I liked the Balrog scene.... It was one of my favorite seens that didnt have much to do with frodo! ;) I thought it was awesome that Gandalf had the power over that...thing.... Did you see his fire whip! :fanboy:

[Mirkgirl]

The whip was highly disappointing, it's a scene of grace not of overacting istar and overacting light whip (it was not fire whip, it looked like a luminious whip, used by... well I suppose you'd guess who)

Maybe you'd like it if you haven't read the book, but otheways pfbbt

[A! Elbereth]

Hey Hey Hey! That was not very nice! I have read the book! ....grrrrrrr I guess some people didnt like it but you must respect ppl's opinions

[Mirkgirl]

What I said is people who haven't read the book before the movie and yet they might have imagined the barlog (and the whip) that way, but I, personally, can't understand it :huh:

[Fatty]

Hmm I don't know Mirky thats pretty much how I imagined it. Perhaps a smaller balrog though and a bit darker, more sinister. But I liked the whip, also I thought moria was quite well done. Though it did not look like it could ever have been a proper city. Also those orcs climbing down pillars, what was that about, why do they need ladders at Helm's Depp then ;-)

[A! Elbereth]

Why the Balrog had a whip? For action.... why.... what did you urself expect to see?

[Illuvatar]

I think those were goblins on the pillars, mate. ;)

[A! Elbereth]

Good point Fatty.... couldnt have been better said! or... thought of...but anyway I enjoyed the Balrog scene, and I like Gandalf's line too it gave chills to your spine... kind of (no other way to explain it)

[Mirkgirl]

As long as there is no Arwen, I'd take the ladders, no matter how unexplained they are... ;)

I don't know the whole Moria looked bad for me ): Maybe that's just me anyway :huh:

[Fatty]

Goblins are jus tsmaller orcs though :-) I woul dexpect the orcs to be even better climbers, reaching further etc. But I am being pedantic ;-)

[Catz]

i think its just a matter of the world in your head and the one on srceen clashing Mirky.....luckily for me that didnt happen often....and i loved Moria.....the combination of the line of Gandalfs, the visual of the sweeping shot, and the music, at the moment when Dwarrowdelf is revealed, is just awe inspiring....unforgettable......
(and yeah....they were goblins fatty :cool: )
and remember, we saw mostly the workings and the ceremonial/defensive areas of Khazad Dum, so you cant really say it didnt look like a city.....anyway, theyre Dwarves....no reason why a dwarf city sould look like one to a human observer...
lol and yeah.....no Arwen, Mirky...this has got to be good!!!lol lol
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[Beregond]

There's some painting of a Balrog. I think it is perfect. It's my favorite LOTR painting ever. It's by Ted Nasmith. I think it's entitled Durin's Bane. Look at the gallery section. It's from behind Gandalf's back and it shows Gandalf holding his sword up the Balrog. If you haven't seen it, check it out.

[Nessa]

Although I didn't like the cave troll sequence (the one moment of overacting on Elijah Wood's part), I thought the Balrog scene was very good, and I've read the book several times. The only part I didn't like was when the fiery whip uncurled from Gandalf's leg, and the rest of the fellowship just stared. In the book the situation seemed a bit more helpless.

[HobbitFriend]

ya, i agree with Nessa on the fact that i thought the Bridge of Khazad Dum and that Balrog scene was better from the book. But i did like that, and the Cave Troll scene. :)

[Algamesh]

MirkGirl ...

Hey! I have to disagree with you on this one. I thought the Balrog scene was a pretty good interpretation of the book. I thought that the Gandalf character remained fairly true to the lines and that they were delivered with the right amount of defiance!

What particularly did you find fault with in this scene. Please - give us some details! Was it the Balrog (I thought the creature was impressive enough - but, I felt like the Balrog maybe should have felt more evil than animal ... if you catch my meaning)?

I do agree with Nessa though ... Gandalf should have been pulled from the ledge immediately. That was a bit awkward ...

[Nessa]

Originally posted by Algamesh


Gandalf should have been pulled from the ledge immediately. That was a bit awkward ... [/B]

Oh I know! My father flipped. "Why aren't they helping him? They're all just standing there!" Yet another reason for him to not understand why I like the movie.mecry

[Aragorn Isildur]

For me the tomb scene was good apart from the 'legolas action doll' part, very bad cgi. I would still have liked to see the bit where Aragorn cleaves the orc leaders head in two though :)
I thought the Balrog looked like the thing from the Spawn film though, i didnt like it at all.

Aragorn:king:

[A! Elbereth]

I absolutely LOVED the balrog! I am definetly a person who loves things that breathe fire! (Not saying that I like liked the Balrog, if you know what I mean) it was very nicely done and looked very real! I just read the Moria chapter over and Gandlaf does fall in about the same time - the movie stalled this part, but I dont mind too much.

I heard someone say once that Balrog's didnt have wings, but they do. It says very openly in teh book that that the balrog "quote on quote":
Quote from Fellowshio of the Ring:

"The Balrog made no answer. The fire in it seemed to die, but the darkness grew. It stepped forward slowly on the bridge, and it suddenly drew itself up to a great height, and its wings were spread from wall to wall; but still Gandalf could be seen, glimmering in the gloom; he seemed small, and altogether alone: grey and bent, like a wizened tree before the onset storm.


Sorry it was so long, that was a very long winded sentence!
*wipes sweat off forehead and gasps for air*

[Catz]

oh please lets not get into the "does the Balrog have wings?" arguement here.....:rolleyes: lol tho for the record, in my opinion yes it does :-)
i thought the Balrog was great.....that bit where it breathes and you can see the air shimmer with the heat....way cool lol :thumbs:
the whole fight sequence was good, i thought...a little overdone, but neccessary to the flow of the movie....a high point emotionally, then the great dip to the ultimate low as Gandalf falls into the chasm...pity about Elijahs skewering scene......maybe a few less loving pans over his tortured visage might have helped, certainly a little less slo mo....theres only so many times you can see a guy doing that before it becomes silly....and those damn rocks....yes they moved, tho if youve ever been near a rock fall, youll find that they fall in a very random way, and that often, very heavy rocks are balanced in such a way, that just a touch can make them move or settle;) :grin: at least, thats my excuse...
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[Nessa]

As much as I love Elijah in the role, I hated the stabbing scene. He gasped like a damn fish for an entire thirty seconds....I blame directing, of course. ;)

I loved the Balrog. The wings were so subtle......

[A! Elbereth]

*sighs* And so hard I worked on that post! Finding the paragraph and typing it all. But I guess some things arent worth hearing....

Although there's no debate to it, as it is written straight in the book, I'm sorry I brought it up

Catz, you win on this one! The slo mo did get old, and I would have liked to see Frodo get skewered to the wall by the orc instead of by the troll, and have Frodo carried out instead of waisting time on him showing his Mithril coat right then and there. It should have at least gotten a little more time - it was rushed a little, but I never thought about this until now.

[Bonos-Girl]

i agree with nessa about the fish thing...the first time i saw it it was annoying...after that it just got worse...and worse...andw se...etc...etc...etc

[Catz]

tho in a counterpoint to that, Aragorns soft "oh no" was a wonderful moment :cool:
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[A! Elbereth]

Wow I never noticed he said oh no........ I think I'll watch that part right now... sounds interesting

[Catz]

yeah...it was just after the fighting finished, and Aragorn crawls over the rocks to Frodo....its just the way he says it...it just sounds so right:thumbs: :cool:
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[Aragorn Isildur]

Its because im just a sensitive soul ;)

Aragorn:king:

[Catz]

:rolleyes: lol lol roflmao lol yeah RIIIIGHT........
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[Kwijibo]

Ha ha, I've escaped from Bree ... :evil:

Anyway, I was really impressed with the Moria, cave troll and Balrog scenes. Sure, Khazad-Dum was a bit more decrepit than it said in the book and the Balrog wasn't exactly how I imagined it, but you have to remember that the printed page and a movie screen are two very different mediums. The way they did the wings was classic! They used WING-SHAPED SHADOWS! That way they got in the wings, and the no-wings really well. If you read the book you can have a perfect image of YOUR perfect Balrog right down to the diameter of the left nostril, but the movie's Balrog has to be right for EVERYONE. If you think of it that way - for any scene - it was done really well.

[Catz]

:thumbs: :cool: Agreed Kwijibo...and youre so right about the difference in media...what works on paper may not work on film, and we have to remember that fact....:grin:
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[A! Elbereth]

The Balrog fit my imagination perfectly :)

[Kwijibo]

Ooh! I just remembered this.
I 'accidentally' ;) downloaded the FotR trailer and was watching it and I saw that just before the orcs come pouring into the tomb, we get a shot of all the Fellowship getting ready to kill them and right at the front is Legolas and Aragorn with bows. The shot is really short but if you watch closely I THINK Aragorn slips on a rock or stumbles or something coz there's a really weird movement there.

BTW - I didn't mean to download the FotR trailer, it was to be the TTT one, but the mouse kinda, er, slipped ... ;)

[A! Elbereth]

No reason to be ashamed Kwiji....(I keep wanting to say Kiwi haha lol roflmao) The FOTR trailer is great, who wouldnt want to download it? I have anything involved in LOTR downloaded... (including the movie :o)

[Mithrandir]

Well, going back to the original topic of the cave troll: I have noticed something. When we first see the tomb of Balin, there is a ray of sunlight coming through the ceiling. The troll smashes the tomb, where there is sunlight.

Why does the troll not turn to stone?

I assume that this was a mistake on the part of Peter Jackson. What's your opinion?

btw, I noticed Beregond say There's some painting of a Balrog. I think it is perfect. It's my favorite LOTR painting ever. It's by Ted Nasmith. I think it's entitled Durin's Bane. Look at the gallery section. It's from behind Gandalf's back and it shows Gandalf holding his sword up the Balrog. If you haven't seen it, check it out.
Is this (http://dreamnfun.free.fr/images/oeuvres/sda/balrog.jpg) the image you are looking for?

[Nessa]

Wow, Mithrandir!

Thats actually something that I've not heard brought up before. :thumbs:

Its been a while since I've seen it.... but I know the ray of light you're talking about... and the cave troll did crush it, putting him right in the light I suppose...

It very well may have been a mistake, though its one I've never heard before.

[A! Elbereth]

That picture rox Mithrandir....ooooo I like how it looks ahhhh lol

[Loriende_Greenleaf]

It was ok. I mean it wasnt the best. In a way it was kinda dumb!

[Catz]

thats actually a good point Mith.....anyone got any brilliant ideas as to how they could get away with it?.....apart from Factor 300 sunblock....for those with sensitive skins...Trolls, Vampires etc. ;) :cool:
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[Ronin]

bloody hell, talk about late in coming...but it is my penchant ;)

The cave troll is just that, a cave troll...not a stone troll which, if hit by a ray of light, would turn to stone. The cave troll, while probably sensitive too light...is only due to mummy not letting him outside to play, not any chemical makeup ;) lol

[Aragorn's Hope]

Cave trolls do not turn to stone my friend