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Gil-galad Elven King
November 15th,2002, 06:33 PM
who is the greatest elf in the book

Grond
November 15th,2002, 06:37 PM
Cirdan or Galadriel... neither of whom are listed. :(

Gil-galad Elven King
November 15th,2002, 06:38 PM
sorry didnt have enough things on the poll

Lady Ashley
November 15th,2002, 07:02 PM
I would have to say "other" for Lady Galadriel. She's the most powerful of all the elves, and second oldest. (The older one being Cirdan.) Besides, she's cool! She was not overcome by the Ring and is so nice.

But why did you put Arwen in the pole?...she had one or two paragraphs in the first book and some in the third. Lady Galadriel got three chapters!

Mirkgirl
November 15th,2002, 07:10 PM
I can add Galadriel if the author of the thread agrees, she's a main elven character (and it's not right to have Legolas and Arwen, but not her IMO) same goes to Cirdan, but he can stay under others with Glorfindel, Celeborn, etc.

Grond
November 15th,2002, 07:15 PM
Arwen hardly qualifies as an Elf anyway. She was technically a Peredhil (half-elven).... but wait, we're debating her status on another thread... so leave her on. :);)

Mirkgirl
November 15th,2002, 07:31 PM
Same goes with Elrond. He's even less elven in genetical sense. Should we get rid of fim as well?

But you're right it's not the time and place.

Tar-Ancalimë
November 15th,2002, 11:46 PM
Arwen is more elf than Elrond....

and I agree, Galadriel definately is a far greater elf than Arwen or Legolas. The only people you'll get voting for Legolas are Orlando Bloom lovers ;)

as for Arwen... like Ash said... three paragraphs?? c'mon!

of those options the greatest is Elrond....

Bawax
November 16th,2002, 03:03 PM
errr, tough one, in terms of LOTR i would vote for legolas purely not too many other elves did much at all IMO.

if were counting all the books and the general history of who did the most good, i'd go for Galadriel. :)

Adunauriel
November 16th,2002, 10:29 PM
Now Tar, you know as well as anybody I love Orlando. I thou in this poll chose to vote for Other. I am in agreement that Galadriel is by far the greatest elf. She's the most magical, and in some ways terrifying of the Elves. She commands attention, and allegience from all who enter her presence. She is the greatest, IMO....:)

Mirkgirl
November 17th,2002, 01:20 AM
okay seems that the majority thinks that Galadriel should be in... I'm adding her. PM me please if you want me to change your vote.

Sindarin
November 17th,2002, 03:02 AM
In my humble opinion, I believe Legolas is the greatest elf in the series. :archer:

Grond
November 17th,2002, 06:54 AM
from Unfinished Tales, The Istari
Elendil and Gil-Galad were partners; but this was "the Last Alliance" of Elves and Men. In Sauron's final overthrow, Elves were not effectively concerned at the point of action. Legolas probably achieved least of the Nine Walkers. Galadriel, the greatest of the Eldar surviving in Middle-earth, was potent mainly in wisdom and goodness, as a director or counsellor in the struggle, unconquerable in resistance (especially in mind and spirit) but incapable of punitive action. This quote from the author would indicate Legolas was least and Galadriel most.... but what does he know?? ;)

Mirkgirl
November 17th,2002, 07:44 AM
Well, first, the author thinks and writes one, the readers read and understand another (there's a science on that, literature, tho it often gives a third opinion hehe)
Second, this quote doesn't compare Legolas and Galadriel, it just says that Legolas was the last in the fellowship (btw thanks for the quote it'll be handy for the next best fellowship member thread :thumbs: ); it says that she help just with guidance and such. If you respect more what Legolas did, you still can chose him.

Adunauriel
November 17th,2002, 08:23 AM
I totally Respect what Legolas did for the Fellowship. I think he being an Elf brought a calmness to the Fellowship. Don't get me wrong he was also a fierce fighter. It's just for the sake of the Books, and how she was written Galadriel was IMHO the Greatest in the books... Legolas was great for other reasons, but great none the less. :)

Ithielnor
November 18th,2002, 06:52 PM
what about gil-galad? he was the weilder of a ring before he gave it to elrond at his death. I would have to say either him or galadriel daughter of finarfin.

Mirkgirl
November 19th,2002, 12:01 AM
Gil-Galad deserves recognition I admit, but he's not from LotR.
(and btw Gil-Galad has two rings at first Vilya and Narya, Vilya he gives to Elrond a lot earlier (around the time of the First Council if I'm not mistaken), Narya he gives to Cirdan to keep later, before he goes to meet his fate I think; Cirdan gives it to Gandalf when he comes to Middle-Earth)

Ithielnor
November 19th,2002, 02:31 AM
Sorry:( got mixed up there, 'bout the rings.

I know he was really in the sil but i was refering to the poem
it isn't much but it's there:) I guess that don't count.
I voted for galadriel anyways;)

Finrod Felagund
November 20th,2002, 03:04 PM
If you consider what some characters did pre LOTR, I would have to throw Glorfindel in there, Killed a Balrog and chased off the Witch King.
Of the poll choices, Galadriel, no question. She had seen The Trees, studied under Melian, possesed one of the Elven Rings, Grandaughter of the original High King of the Noldor, daughter of the High King of the Noldor in Aman. In Tolkien's world where power was genetic, she was definitely long in that area.

Adunauriel
November 20th,2002, 09:53 PM
Finrod, I completely agree with you about Galadriel & Glorfindel. They both are truely amazing Characters..... BTW, love the quote in you siggy. It's from Blazing Saddles, right?lol

Luthien
November 21st,2002, 05:17 PM
Elladan and Elrohir were my favorite even though they were only in ROTK

Finrod Felagund
November 21st,2002, 10:12 PM
yep, my favorite movie

Varda
November 28th,2002, 08:28 PM
i voted for elrond because i like him very much. he´s so wise and ... so on :p :p
but galadriel i like, too
legolas .. well, in the books more than in the movie(s)
círdan is nice but he isn´t listed here
(he has a beard, hasn´t he? but not in the movies)
;) ;)
arwen - they don´t say much about her

oho, i´m in the mood of talking today.
but there are much more elves -
i like finrod felagund - that is such a nice name
;)
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
and elladan and elrohir, too
and .. and .. and
the queen Melian but she is a maia not a real elf
okay, i´ll stop talking
goodbye
greetings

varda, queen of stars

Lalaith
November 29th,2002, 09:48 PM
Gotta go with Galadriel :elfqueen:
She had the most influence on the events of the War of the RIng
Sure, Elrond had his little meeting and formed the Fellowship of the RIng (not that he was willing to join in that little walking party, eh??;))
And yeah, Legolas was handy with a bow :archer: but even Tolkien said he was the member of the Fellowship who achieved the least
And Arwen basically looked pretty, inspired Aragorn to great things and made him a nice banner...
Galadriel turned down the offer of the ring - that's a good start...
She was the mightiest of the Noldor left in Middle Earth and even though it's fairly ambiguous whether the ban on her return to Valinor was still in force, she still chose to stay and fight. Sauron Her gifts came in handy - from the bow that Legolas used to slay the Nazgul's steed to the light of Earendil. Even those cloaks came in pretty handy!

Adunauriel
November 29th,2002, 10:34 PM
I think the comment about Legolas achieving the least, is misinturpreted... He wasn't there to really achieve something, he was there to help out the best he could... There wasn't really much for his part in the fellowship to achieve. He wasn't the Ring Bearer, or Aragorn. They had things that needed to achieve. Distroying the Ring, for Frodo, and realizing he was ment to be King, for Aragorn... All Legolas was there for was to support them in the quest...;)

Tar-Minyatur
December 6th,2002, 01:41 AM
I voted for Legolas because who knows how many times he saved Frodo and/or Aragorn's lives (the two most important walkers) while the Fellowship was still together and fighting. However, I do recognized that Galadriel is possibly the greatest elf in the history of MIddle-Earth, but in the three books of Lord of the Rings, she saved Frodo and/or Aragorn's lives (again, the two most important walkers) less times. It's simple math, sort of.
This is all moot, of course, if someone can prove that she saved those two more often.

Windwater Elf
December 8th,2002, 01:11 PM
My vote goes to Galadriel although I like Legolas very much. I think he did a lot by being the eyes and ears of the Fellowship.

Gatsby
December 31st,2002, 03:47 AM
elrond kicks ace... enough said
out
gatsby

Owl Laegel
December 31st,2002, 04:19 AM
Originally posted by Adunauriel
I think the comment about Legolas achieving the least, is misinturpreted... He wasn't there to really achieve something, he was there to help out the best he could... There wasn't really much for his part in the fellowship to achieve. All Legolas was there for was to support them in the quest...;)

YES!!!
very well written Adunauriel & i totally agree!

Legolas also helped increase the life expectancy of the whole Fellowship! ;)

Amoraq
January 15th,2003, 05:27 AM
I like Legolas a lot. But I like all the elves so it's a difficult choice.

Adunauriel
January 15th,2003, 09:16 PM
Yes, it's a very difficult question to answer... Don't worry thou, it's a personal choice you can make.. Don't worry if people don't agree with you either, it doesn't matter what we think.. It's completely up to you....:thumbs:

Cuthalion
January 15th,2003, 11:06 PM
if we'rw talking only about LoTR I have to say Galadriel and Glorfindel. But if we talk about all books Ihave to say BELEG CUTHALION WARRIOR OF DORIATH AND THE BEST FRIEND EVER ( after Samwise Gamgee of course)

Finrod Felagund
January 20th,2003, 06:17 PM
All the books: Feanor, JRR even said so.

Mirkgirl
January 20th,2003, 06:58 PM
Well he is the mightiest, and Galadriel is known as close second and wiser (grown wiser through the years)

And it's in LotR section... so it's for LotR... and Feanor wasn't in it... so there is no debate...

My opinion: I like Galadriel more, tho Feanor indeed is the greatest

Adunauriel
January 21st,2003, 12:21 AM
Mirkgirl, I completely love your Avatar... :cool:
But back to subject, I'm thinking I that Galadriel & Glorfindel, are still my faves...:thumbs:

Rumil
January 26th,2003, 12:47 AM
Galadriel is the greatest IMO but i always liked Frodo's encounter with Gildor in the woods of the shire. Shame about that - still you can't have everything.

Gwaihir
January 26th,2003, 12:38 PM
Galadriel, of course! Who else could it be? She's the most powerful and the greatest! :) She's also one of the oldest elves who appear in the books (right?).

Adunauriel
January 27th,2003, 02:31 AM
As far as I undertand it yes, she is one of the oldest....:thumbs:

Mirkgirl
January 27th,2003, 03:34 AM
yep she's born in Valinor in the days of the Trees... a lot older that Elrond for example, younger than Cirdan tho, who is one of the first elves, even if not one of the ones awaken in Cuivienen

Adunauriel
January 29th,2003, 09:23 PM
Thanks Mirky, I thought she was older then Elrond, but not sure...;)

Herenyë
January 30th,2003, 08:31 AM
Legolas is my favorite.....but he wasnt the greatest elf......i forgot who i voted for......i think i voted for Galadriel.....dont remember? and btw why wasnt Glorfindel in the poll?.....wait nevermind :grin:

and Adun i agree with you about Legolas in the fellowship not to achieve anything he was there to support and support he didi :thumbs:

Deariad
January 31st,2003, 05:47 PM
I would have to say Cirdan although he is not listed.

Adunauriel
February 1st,2003, 11:59 PM
You can add your faves to the discussion even if there aren't on the list.... New additions are always welcome...:thumbs:

Herenyë
February 2nd,2003, 04:11 AM
Ummm, who is Cirdan?

Mirkgirl
February 2nd,2003, 04:18 AM
A lord of the Teleri in Middle-earth, Círdan was persuaded to remain in Beleriand with some of his people by Ossë when the other Teleri were taken into the West by Ulmo. Lord of the Falas during much of the First Age, he removed to the Isle of Balar after the Nirnaeth Arnoediad. At the end of the First Age, with the destruction of Beleriand, he moved eastwards and founded Mithlond, the Grey Havens, on the Gulf of Lhûn.

He remained in Lindon throughout the Second and Third Ages. Throughout the Second Age, that land was under the direct rule of High King Gil-galad. At the time of the fall of Eregion, Celebrimbor sent two of the Three Rings north to the High King, and Gil-galad in turn passed one of these to Círdan; Narya, the Ring of Fire. At the end of the Second Age, Gil-galad fell in the War of the Last Alliance, leaving Lindon without a ruler. His natural heir would have been Elrond, who had long since removed to Imladris, and so Círdan took on the leadership of the Elves west of the Blue Mountains.

Círdan continued to maintain the havens at Mithlond throughout the Third Age and into the Fourth. When the Wizards arrived in Middle-earth, he perceived that Gandalf was the wisest of them, and gave him the Red Ring to bear in secret. He took an active part in the events of the Third Age, too; it was his mariners, for example, who sought to rescue Arvedui the last King of Arthedain. He was still the master of the Grey Havens at the end of the Age, when he saw the Ring-bearers' White Ship, that he had held in preparation over the long years, pass into the West.

(credits to Encyclopedia of Arda (http://www.glyphweb.com/arda/) lol)

Warrior Alien
February 2nd,2003, 06:49 PM
I chose Other, since I think Haldir and Fingolfin (though not in LOTR) are the coolest.

Adunauriel
February 3rd,2003, 12:52 AM
That is so cool, Cirdan souds pretty good.. I'll still go with Galadriel & Glorfindel thou... I just think those two are really great....:thumbs:

Gatsby
February 3rd,2003, 12:56 AM
Glorfindel kix ace... no one can defeat him! and elrond is wicked cool too... he's so grumpy
out
gatsby

Adunauriel
February 3rd,2003, 07:12 PM
Elrond was too moody for me. Couldn't seem to like him...:thumbs:

Herenyë
February 3rd,2003, 08:43 PM
Elrond freaked me out..........Glorfindel is cool......Legolas is the best lol.......but Galadriel is the greatest among them all because she is the queen of all elves and was one of the first elves to be born.......

Adunauriel
February 4th,2003, 07:57 PM
Yep, Galadriel is the best too IMO... She just had my attention whenever she was in the book.. I felt like I was in her presence...:grin:

Herenyë
February 4th,2003, 08:45 PM
Coolio!......in FotR in the chapter the mirrror of Galadriel.....i like that chapter she sounded mysterious! ;)

Adunauriel
February 5th,2003, 03:28 AM
Yea she did, she actually scared me more in the books.. Imagination is alot harsher then actually seeing it up on the big screen...:thumbs:

Gatsby
February 5th,2003, 04:07 AM
galadriel can lay the smack down on any one... didn't she pretty much save lothlorien when they were attacked during the war of the ring?
out
gatsby

Herenyë
February 5th,2003, 05:23 AM
dont know lost with your question or comment lol veryhappy :blush: heehee

Adunauriel
February 5th,2003, 08:43 PM
I haven't read The Silmarillian (that is the book where the war happens right?), so I can't answer that...:grin: But it does sounds very Galadriel like....;)

Herenyë
February 5th,2003, 09:26 PM
Oh......its in the Silmarillian.....didnt know.....not done with LotR yet :blush: lol heehee ;)

Adunauriel
February 9th,2003, 03:42 AM
Not to worry Herenyë, I haven't read the Silmarillian yet either...:grin:

Herenyë
February 9th,2003, 05:22 AM
Cool! *feels way more better* heehee.....:thumbs: but im half way in TTT.......but hopefully there is no more spoilers.....heehee :grin:

Legolas's_girl
February 9th,2003, 08:41 PM
Know all should know....

Herenyë
February 9th,2003, 10:16 PM
uhhh lol heehee ;).......welcome Legolas's_girl......im almost done with helms deep!

WaterBubble Elf
March 4th,2003, 01:42 AM
legolas is by far the best elf in anything :thumbs:

Glarawen
March 4th,2003, 02:18 AM
Legolas!!!!! Go legolas baby!

Olorin
March 4th,2003, 08:45 AM
beside Gil-Galad and Feanor who were mentioned, I would say Elrond because he is just plane cool

Winyaél Greenleaf
March 4th,2003, 02:53 PM
Yep, Legolas is great, but not so in the books. They didn't really develop his character.

Thingolfin
March 15th,2003, 10:18 PM
I voted for Galadriel simply because she is described by Tolkien as the greatest elf in middle earth T.A.
Cirdan comes as a good nr.2.

Finrod Felagund
March 18th,2003, 04:54 PM
Legolas was a punk, he couldn't carry Glorfindel's hat

Ithielnor
March 19th,2003, 07:52 PM
Uh yeah lol I think the title must have been miss read. It says the greatest elf in the books. They doubtless voted for him thinking he was the greatest in the movie. Which is debateable. (legolass hater here ;) )

Undomiel
April 4th,2003, 03:19 PM
I went for Galadriel, but Elrond, Cirdan, and Glorfindel were great. I have to say that i couldnt reall have chosen Círdan or Glorfindel in the LOTR-their real importance is shown in the Silm. I chose Galadriel because she was wise, powerful, gentle, caring and she overcame the temptation of the ring, which was no small feat.