Frodo and Sam

[Lorien]

HI!!!
People out there mistake sam and frodo. well today elijah woods tells the world that they are not gay, just really good friends. If you want to talk more on this subject, write me!!!

[Catz]

Ummm.........yeah..........we know ;) lol
:catz:

[Tar-Ancalimë]

........i doubt anyone on this forum thinks that. i dont. dunno why you think this is necessary lol

[A! Elbereth]

Besides, we are all devoted ringers - and anyone who thinks of their relationship in that way, isn't a true LOTR fan :grin:

[Orkybash]

Though some of Tolkien's descriptions make it seem that way *coughcirithungolcough*, remember that Tolkien came from a very different time period than we do, so things that seem homosexual to us are just people showing friendly affection to eachother. That's friendly affection, not romantic affection!

Think of it this way: if you thought your best friend just died, then you found them alive, wouldn't you get a little emotional?

But, i suppose I'm preaching to the choir here! :)

[Lorien]

LOL you guys are blondes!! I was congratulating Elijah Woods not preaching to you guys. Finally someone out there has gotten the courage to tell all the non ringers that frodo and sam are straight. I knew everyone was going to know that they are straight. lol!!!!roflmao

[Lorien]

I wanted ppls feedback on the courage of Elijah Woods!!!!

[Tar-Ancalimë]

um... only ignorant people who have, like, seen the movie once think they are gay, or people just being idiots... so i really think... this thread... was not... that necessary here :grin:

[A! Elbereth]

*sighs and laughs at once - if that is possible* Tar that was cute lol

[Lorien]

NOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I was congratulating Elijah Woods not telling you ppl that Frodo and Sam are not gay!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Catz]

yeah we know that Lorien....but since no one thinks they ARE gay, theres no need for any courage is there? i mean, Lij is just stating the obvious really....sure itll surprise some peeps, but they obviously didnt know what the book was about anyway, y'know?
and to be honest...telling people that "this character that i play is not gay" isnt really THAT big a deal.......now if he WAS and Elijah was telling people THAT.......then id be impressed....but anyone who looks at the movie or book can see that this is NOT the case....
:catz:

[Lorien]

Now you guys are making me feel really dumb. I didn't know if you guys had known whether or not Elijah had done that so I told you. Sorry if you now think I am a total dork. This issue has just been a really hard issue for me because I have had to tell so many people that they are straight. Well if you think I am stupid thats fine.

[Catz]

i didnt mean that Lorien.....please dont take it that way.....all i meant was that there really is no issue here...and i do understand you getting tired of having to explain it to those who dont get it....but i do think its a tiny detail to get bogged down in....i apologise if i offended you...and i most certainly do not think youre stupid or a dork.....if i did i wouldnt bother responding at all, nor would anyone else
:catz:

[Lorien]

Thanks Cat

[Tar-Ancalimë]

ah neither did i. seriously. i just wondered at its seeming randomness. but no! i do not think you are dumb :) and i am sorry, also, that i have made you feel dumb. i assure you, as has catz, i did not mean to in the least bit :cool:

[Iarfirithwen]

~***Happy 2500 posts Catz***~
WOW :elfeek:

I could say, to stay closer to the topic, that I think this is really quite a congenial Forum in general. I haven't seen people take pieces out of one another or anything like that (maybe I haven't been around long enough) which I have seen happen elsewhere. Lorien, I know what you meant (as I'm sure others did aswell) and I don't think Catz or Tar meant their comments that way :cuddles:

[Lorien]

good gratious how long do you ppl stay up
Thanks you guys lets just talk know about frodo and sam.

[Iarfirithwen]

Okay, it's 00.36 here in Australia at the moment and I'm avoiding my Thesis (can we all say P-r-o-c-r-a-s-t-i-n-a-t-i-o-n). That's why I'm up now.

On topic I agree with whats been said so far. I do think its a shame sometimes that people have to be "coupled" off, (regardless of whether its a same sex couple or not) as soon as they show they care for one another. To me thats part of a good friendship, you shouldn't be afraid to show you care. It doesn't mean it has to be of a romantic or sexual nature, it can be completely platonic. I care an aweful lot about the people around me in a very wide circle, it sure doesn't mean I want to spend every waking moment with them, or start a family with them. :grin:
And then at the same time, I think this coupling off can represent peoples longing for that to happen ~ slightest hint of partiality between two characters and we're off (hey I did it with Eowyn and Aragorn, well okay that was kind of explicit). Its very common for people to do it with TV shows these days. We sometimes see what we want to see, we oftern filter information to confirm what we've heard from other sources or want to hear ourselves. People often filter information according to preexisting schemas.

I think these quick off the bat assumptions that ppl can make, well it can frighten people off from developing very close friendships which are incredibly rewarding. I know some people (with nothing better to do) have sometimes gossiped :( that close male friends and I are 'more than just friends' even though we are not. Close friends, like a tightly bonded family, nothing more. Its a shame because it can create problems. I know of guys who are afraid to show they're ' good mates' with people because they're afraid it would be taken the wrong way. I think it can be a real shame. I wonder if it would've been different in Tolkiens day, I think it would've (especially post-war which from accounts was very mateship building).

[Lorien]

OK

[Rumil]

I think Frodo and Sam are more in love with each other than any husband or wife.

"... Sam came in. He ran to Frodo and took his left hand awkwardly and shyly. He stroked it gently and then he blushed and turned hastily away"

Now i expect to be trouted religiously and thoroughly for this .... but isnt the relationship between frodo and sam a love story?

" ' I love him. He's like that, and somehow it shines through, somehow. But I love him , whether or no' "

"Then he charged. No onslaught more fierce was ever seen in the savage world of beasts, where some desperate creature armed with little teeth, alone, will spring upon a tower of horn and hide that stands above its fallen mate."

Not to mention...

"he lay back in Sam's gentle arms closing his eyes, like a child at rest when some night fears are driven away by some loved voice or hand.

Sam felt that he could sit like that in endless happiness; but it was not allowed.... He kissed Frodo's forehead"

"he tried to comfort Frodo with his arms and body"

LOTR is surely a great love strory betwen Frodo and Sam

[Miruvor]

Wow! Thanks for compiling all those great lines for us. It certainly is a love story. A love story between friends. I have found that love itself is spiritual and profound and has nothing to do with the genders or with physical attraction. The love a mother feels for her child could be just like those lines describe. Or so could the love of a man for God (and hopefully that would not be erotic love). Rent and watch the movie 'The Little Prince' (or just read the book) and tell me if that isn't the most beautiful love story ever filmed that does not involve a man and a woman. Even many of us here, have a profound love for TLOTRs books.

I have felt deep deep love for my girlfriends as strong as that, and yet would have cringed at the thought of anything sexual. And you know, I really DO believe many men can feel more deeply for a true friend, than they do for their own wives, because it is safer and they are afraid of being overwhelmed and imprisoned by love and the jealousy that comes with sexual love. That is why so many women live lives of desperation within a marriage, when they feel their husband is distant and just will not let himself surrender emotionally.

Actually, since PJ is the one making this movie, and he also made Heavenly Creatures, which is another movie that explores same-gender love, I won't be surprised if he gives us even more of a emotional bond between Frodo and Sam than even Tolkien did. He has proven he has the sensibilities to do it. The reason I liked Heavenly Creatures so much was because it dwelt mainly on the deep bond between the girls and the implied sex parts were extremly minor and contributed nothing to the movie (and could really have been left out all together).

I :loveyou: :loveyou: :loveyou: :loveyou: Mr. Tolkien

[Tar-Minyatur]

Everything on this board is random.
There are a lot of people out there who seriously think that even a hug between guys (outside the context of observing a sports match) is a sign of homosexuality.
For those people, they might have seen the movies and thought, "I liked the movies, but I couldn't get over those two hobbits being gay." That sounds preposterous to me, but could be and, in fact, is a real response for some others.
In that context, what Elijah Wood did was courageous in that he is the sole representative of Frodo Baggins to millions of people worldwide, and a portion of those people think he is gay, and a portion of those don't like the whole Lord of the Rings because of that small, insiginificant, misconstrued fact.

[Arwen Elf]

People are uptight. There's more of a line between masculinity and femininty, ever since the Victorian era. There are expectations for men/boys, etc. Back in the medieval times, and before, kissing people of the same sex was appropriate, and friends were a lot closer, physically. In the Bible, the disciples would greet each other with a kiss. . . but then, that leads to Judas. But the point I think I am trying to make here is that Sam and Frodo are hardly gay. In this type of context and story Tolkien would not even think about the two being homosexual. And finally, anyone who thinks so is immature. I thought we gave this stuff up in seventh grade!:rolleyes: