Boromir versus Gimli

[Chaos Mage]

My friend and I had a long discussion over who would win in a battle to the death between Boromir and Gimli. Excellent points were made on both sides, but no agreement was reached. I told him that I would post a pool on the War of the Ring forum so that we could determine popular opinion. Please vote and help us settle our dispute. Thanks!

[Lady Ashley]

I hafta go with Gimli. Sure, he's much shorter, but Dwarves are very hardy and skillful.

And heck, who was the one who killed SO MANY orcs? And who was the one who got pin-cushioned by orcs? Hmm! If someone short can beat up many very big critters bigger and tougher than Boromir, than they owuld win against Boromir.

[Tar-Ancalimë]

whatever :rolleyes: boromir would definately win, and you say otherwise just because you dont like him. boromir was one of the best warriors of gondor, gimli was a mediocre ole dwarf. pfbbt

[Lady Ashley]

No! Sure, I don't like Bormir, but seriously! Who beat up the Orcs and lived to tell about it??

[Illuvatar]

Aye, very good question Chaos Mage!

Whilst a fierce battle would ensue, I would have to think that on level ground and with just hand weapons(sword, axe, etc.) that Gimli would win out in the end. Not to take anything away from the strength of men, but the stoutness of the dwarf and his agressivness would outweigh the skill and finess of the man. Plus dwarves are meant to withstand much more punishment then men. Even in gaming environments, the battle points usually lie in favour of dwarves.

Also, let's take into consideration the axe vs the sword! Now Gimli would probably use an axe in each hand and the type of axes that he used do very well against swords.

So, I say Gimli IMHO. ;)

[Ithielnor]

wow Choas, you pose me a hard Q. I'm a fan of both charactors but I must say Gimli would win.

Well Lady Ashley I think the odds are different in a large battle at helms deep involving many people on BOTH sides, than in a 100 to 1 fight like Boromir was subject to. My vte however is still with Gimli.

[Eowyn]

Boromir wins every time!

[Bess the Bard]

I have to say Gimli. He has advantages in endurance, the amount of armor he usually wore, and the amount of physical damage he could take. If he really regarded Boromir as an enemy, I think he would never hesitate to use any and every tactic to win. Gimli is honorable but the ultimate pragmatist.

Boromir strikes me as a warrior who might not be able to think outside the box and would underestimate Gimli because of his size.

[Iarfirithwen]

Boromir. For him to be as well regarded as the captain of forces in Gondor as he was, to have been fighting the forces of Mordor (Orcs etc) for so long I think he would definitely have to be able to think outside the box (otherwise he'd either be a lowly soldier or untrusted by his comrades and people). Its a leadership skill that's essential in someone leading a military force in war. For the same reason I would say he would never underestimate someone (Gimli included), for a soldier to do so could mean his death. I think its unfortunate that we have never seen him commading a force. Moreover, the only time we have seen him was in close proximity to the ring when he was tired and depressed (and even becoming desperate) from fighting a losing battle against the forces of Morodor all his life, and so the ring was able to exert its influence on him more easily. I don't think Boromir would have had the respect and love of his people to the extent he did if he wasn't a proficient warrior and captain, good with strategy, cunning, patient, highly skilled and strong.

I think it would be a close fight between Gimli and Boromir. I think both would be strong, skilled, cunning and hardy. I think both, but especially Gimli would be very stout hearted. But I think that Boromir's greater agility would be the deciding factor. I also think that Boromir would be a little more cunning and patient, whereas Gimli would be more likely to rush a few strokes of his axe (he doesn't think as clearly when emotional e.g., rushing into the tomb in Moria), which in itself would be enought to lose the fight.

[Polly Sandybanks]

I have to say Gimli. He's unstoppable with his axe.

[Keverzwijn]

Oh, this is hilarious. Gimli wins in this poll. I mean really guys, a dwarf against a human. Did vote for Gimli.

[Iarfirithwen]

Oh wait Keverzwijn. Are you saying that it's hilarious that Gimli is winning but you voted for him lol

[Keverzwijn]

ofcourse, I thougt it was hysterical.

[Polly Sandybanks]

Originally posted by Keverzwijn
Oh, this is hilarious. Gimli wins in this poll. I mean really guys, a dwarf against a human. Did vote for Gimli.

What is that supposed to mean? I really think that Gimli would win. He's strong and small, so he could escape Boromir's attacks as well. And that ax of his! Need I say more?
Of course it would be an even fight.. but I think Gimli would win it.

[TheRingBearer]

This would be really close after seeing Boromir's last stand in fotr but I think he could pull it off.

[Tar-Palantir]

Polly, think that Gimli is only small one-way ;)

IMO I think that Gimli would win, the Dwarves were crafted by Aulë during the might of Morgoth, thus being made very strong and stout.
Boromir would be a good opponent, but in the end he would ultimatly fail.
Boromir with Faramir, now that is another matter :D
Think about it, Boromir and Faramir versus Legolas and Gimli ;)

[Bonos-Girl]

hmmm...tough one! i think that gimli would would win for all the same reasons that everyone else has posted.

[Saruman]

I think Gimli would win.

It's interesting to think about it as though it were a battle with random characters, good or evil, thrown in to choose their own side, Gimli or Boromir. Legolas would probably be on Gimli's side. Aragorn would be on Boromir's side, and Eowyn would follow him. Since heroes or villains can be here, we might as well throw Saruman in; he would be on Gimli's side, if he had to choose, for wanting to eliminate humans. Then he'd either order Grima to be on the same side, or order him to sabotage the other side internally, or Grima may think about throat slitting prematurely and choose to go on Boromir's side. Saruman could then put quite a lot of Uruk Hai on Gimli's side. The Ents would be on the opposite side as Saruman, putting them on Boromir's side. Odd stuff, this. Anyway, Frodo would probably follow Aragorn. Whichever side he goes on, most likely he would be followed by the other hobbits, as well as Gollum, who has questionable fighting methods. Now, if Frodo has the ring, that almost puts the power of the ring on his side. Of course, a battle like that would not be a simple fight to the death. There would be lots of other things going on; characters like Gollum and Grima could be spies.Any ideas about other characters. Now what abot Sauron.... He'd probably just be on his own side and eliminate them all.
So, Gimli's side would have Legolas, Saruman, a lot of Uruk Hai, all of the dwarves, probably all of the elves if Legolas is there, and Wormtongue.
Boromir's side would have all the men, all of the hobbits, Gollum, the ents, and, if he had to choose, Sauron (who could get rid of the opposition and then easily do away with the race of men, and also wield the ring as Frodo is on the same side), and probably alongside Sauron, Shelob, though that sort of a creature probably would kill her own side too.
That leaves a few other characters, including Balrogs. Let's just hope they don't get near the ents.
Very bizarre. I have no idea what made me think about that. It makes little sense even to me.

But this is one single person against another single person, so Gimli would win.

[Tar-Ancalimë]

lol that was halarious... your sides thing, i mean, i still think that the numenorean warrior of gondor would be able to beat a half-sized, ignorant comedian of a pre-formed, burrowing race ;)

(ok ok some of that criticism was unjustified... i know what pj did to him isnt gimlis fault :()

[Bawax]

Boromir all the way.

dont forget gimli didn't fancy his chances against men at helms deep, he waited to find a couple of weary orcs to kill.

[Lady Melody]

Gimli'd win for sure... one thing one wave of that axe, and anyone's dead for sure... not to mention the dwarf's got one very lucky streak in him, his enemy keep whacking the enemies away from him, and stay pretty much unscathed! (Cave troll scene)...

[Ruin's Fate]

Boromir, Men are the most dangerous and powerful race in ME. It was Men, not elves nor dwarves, that cut the ring from the hand of Suaron. In LotR Suaron feared that Aragorn would reunite the kingdoms of Men and then Suaron could have kissed his plants for Middle-world domination goodbye.

[Lady Ashley]

But, ah, you forget, Ruin's Fate, that it was Isildur who didn't do the right thing and chunk it in Mt. Doom. He kept it!

Yes, the Dwarves took their Rings, but they would not be easily over-taken like MEN were----Ringwraiths. Who were the personal servants of Sauron? MEN. Not Dwarves.

[Ruin's Fate]

And WHY were MEN Suaron's personal servants? Becuase they were strong...those bloody dwarves would keep falling from their black steeds, yay REAL scary. So it stands, even Sauron was smart enough to pick the most powerful race as his serviants. Last I checked it was a man who slayed a dragon, never heard of a dwarve doing that.

Isildur not chucking the ring was a sign of his own inner weakness, not that of Men, *cough* Aragorn *cough*...hell even Boromir redeamed himself in the end.

[Pil]

I think Boromir would win...for sake of agility mostly... :thumbs:

[Brego]

Ok Gimli got my vote well lets face it no1 weilds an axe like him he kicks butt :) plus his banter with Legolas in the film was exellent big thumbs up from me :thumbs:

[Throrin]

definitely Gimli...he's a Dwarf...and a Dwarf can kick the pipeweed outa any human...Gimli's skill, strength, intelligence, and endurance beats that of Boromir's...plus, Gimli fights with an ax...and axes are cooler than swords

[Ithielnor]

I really liked your little battle thingy(ok, BIG battle). But I think that the Elves, Dwarves, Uruk-Hai, and Isengard Orcs would woop up on the men of Gondor and Rohan(think about all those Elven archers and dwarven ax-dwarves). Hobbits aren't much to speak of either against that kind of foe, even in numbers. However the Ents and Sauron would tip the scale. But who knows? The Moria orcs might show up with a couple of trolls to help the dwarves, and the Watcher!! A very interesting battle would ensue.

Back on topic Gimli would win because of his Dwarven armor and his endurance.

(please pardon spelling, I'm tired.)

[Elf angel]

Gimli...well look at him, surrounded by orcs and uruks but sytill manage to kill most of them...Gimli will win :thumbs:

[Gwaihir]

I would've voted for both if such thing was possible, but since not, I voted for Gimli. I just thought he was more stubborn and hard to give up than Boromir. :mmmm: Please don't be offended, Boromir-lovers! What I actually thought was that they'd kill each other! roflmao Good thing it never happened!

[Adunauriel]

I voted Gimli. I figure he'd take Boromirs legs out from under him, and finish him off with on blow...:)

[Daughter of Gondor]

I voted Boromir, he was able to keep fighting after two huge Urki arrows hit his in the chest. And the third one didn't kill him right away. Plus he's agile and an ax is a clumsy weapon compared to a sword.

He'd be able to block the swipe that would take his legs out from under him.

[Tar-Palantir]

Gimli takes Boromirs legs,
Boromir now in good height, loses his head to Gimlis axe.

[Daughter of Gondor]

Even without legs, Boromir would continue fighting.

[Daughter of Gondor]

And Gimli would be so freaked out that this Man continued to fight that he'd let down his guard in pure awe of his courage and strength.

[Tar-Palantir]

I think this should be done. We call John Rhys-Davies, when he answers we say that Sean Bean really likes his mother, and wants to kill John. Then we do the same on Sean.

The result: The closest we can come to between a fight between Gimli and Boromir.

[Mirkgirl]

Hey! It's book section - there are no Sean Bean and John Rhys-Davies in my copy of the book!

[Tar-Palantir]

HEHE, well that is the Closest we can come.

Unless.... (you don't want to hear my crazy scientist theories)

[Daughter of Gondor]

Originally posted by Tar-Palantir
I think this should be done. We call John Rhys-Davies, when he answers we say that Sean Bean really likes his mother, and wants to kill John. Then we do the same on Sean.

The result: The closest we can come to between a fight between Gimli and Boromir.

You know in real life John Rhys-Davies is like taller that Sean Bean. So there would never really be the whole Dwarf vs. Man thing. Just a man vs. another, taller man. So the whole go for the legs thing would be gone. Plus they would probably not go for the sword and ax. It would just be a contest over who has the better gun and who was the better shot.

Then again, could be interesting...roflmao roflmao

[Tar-Palantir]

Well, we call PJ to make a special short movie with the fight between Gimli and Boromir.

[Daughter of Gondor]

That would be worth watching.

[Mirkgirl]

Go post this in the movie section.... seriously guys... this is section is about books!

[Tar-Palantir]

This is aboot book gimli and book boromir, just we want a special visualization.

[Adunauriel]

Well, then you should visualize it in you mind.. Or, PM your visualizeations to one another..:thumbs:

[IceWolfDD]

I think borimir would win! even though gimli is probably stronger, borimir would have the speed toget him. I like thinking about these kind of things!(Lurtz vs Legolas!Cave Troll vs Saruman!:))

[Tar-Palantir]

Aragorn vs. Faramir?
Gothmog vs. Moria Balrog?

[Herenyë]

I have to say Gimli, he is short and he has many advantages....cuz he can hide behind something and while Boromir or whoever is looking for him is going to take a while and like Gimli can hit him wherever.....well its hard to explain what im talking about but hopefully you understand my opinion....heehee.....so say cuz Gimli is a short tough munchkin! lol i mean dwarf!!!.....and i do like Boromir but i think Gimli would win......so yea Gimli!!!! he is winning lol heehee.........

Aragorn will win against Faramir but Balrog versus that other dude dont know......:grin: lol

[Tar-Palantir]

Gothmog was the Lord of the Balrogs in the First age. He was Morgoths greatest Captain. I take it that you have not read the Silmarillion?

[Daughter of Gondor]

Why would Aragorn attack Faramir or visvera?

But hypothetically Aragorn would be better by a long shot. But Faramir would have the men of Gondor on his side so if he was killed then Aragorn would soon follow. The winner would be the king. Anyway Arwen would take the elves to support her love (this would be before the elves left for Valinor). So now the members of the last allience are in an all out brawl. Rohan should back Faramir, but since he was (in the movie) saved by the elves at Helm's Deep, and not backed by Gondor, plus having Aragorn fight beside him, he would join for Aragorn.

Legolas, Gimli, and the hobbits, not really being aqauinted with Faramir would back Aragorn. Boromir (this is of course before he died) would most certainly back his brother being on not so good terms with Aragorn. Sarumon has been trying to destroy Rohan, so he would fight against them, with the wild men and his fighting Urk-hai. The Shirefolk would stay behind, some of the more adventourous lads would join with Frodo and friends. The Orcs would be on no ones side, hating everybody, and would go around willynillly killing everyone in sight. The Ringwraiths would cut off retreat from both armies.

Sauron of course would have the most difficult decision. He fears what Aragorn might become, so he should join against him. But he has also been for the last God knows how long been trying to destroy Gondor. But he would love to see Sarumon die since he is looking to share the power. But he would also love to see Ganddalf done for, since he is the most pwerful that opposes him. Frodo, bearing the ring, would also be a target. But ha can't fight alongside the elves. Its just morally wrong. In the end he will deside to sit back, relax and enjoy the show. Once it is over he has determinded to squash the victors like bugs, and search the bodies for Frodo and the ring.

[Mirkgirl]

this thread is about Boromir and Gimli guys.... Boromir, Gimli and no one else

[Daughter of Gondor]

Both Boromir and Gimli had a part in that scenerio.

[Herenyë]

Yea he did i think? lol

Gimli all the way for me :thumbs: lol

[Daughter of Gondor]

Nah, Boromir would blow him out of the water.

[Herenyë]

Of course cuz Boromir cant take it that Gimli is better then him.......he just kicked him out........lol...........

i still think Gimli is the best compared to him............;)

[Daughter of Gondor]

No way, the sword is longer than the ax. And the man is taller than the dwarf. Therefore, Brormir can thrust and parry without getting close to Gimli. Gimli would never have the chance to cut his legs out from under him.

[Herenyë]

Well Gimli has 'advantages' cuz if Boromir just like doesnt take him seriously then Gimli does what Minimi does in The Spy that Shagged me............Gimli runs up and use his axe to cut right at the balls............lol..........but this is my opinion.......so yea ;)

[Daughter of Gondor]

But Boromir, being an intelligent battle guy doesn't underestimate his enemy. The only way for him to be beaten is if Gimli gets far enough away to unsportamanlikely pull out a big Urk-hai bow, actually draw it back and release the shaft three times, killing Boromir.

But that is impossible in a number of ways.
a) Gimli wouldn't gain that much ground
b) Gimli wouldn't fight unsportsmanlikely
c) Gimli wouldn't have a Urk-hai bow
d) Even if he did, he wouldn't beable to use it because he is a dwarf and its buuilt for bigger peole
e) Gimli would have to hit Boromir, again he's not used to the bow and doesn't have good aim
f) Gimli would have to do that three times.
g) Once that happened, Aragorn would come out of the woods and lop his head off.

[Azaelia Gamgee]

I know gimli would win but if legolas was up there he would kill them all! :thumbs:

Sorry Mirky but u know how much i love legolas

(ronin issues at the other place lol):cool: :) lol roflmao

[Daughter of Gondor]

Legolas wouldn't kill the dwarf.

Not Boromir either come to think of it.

[Herenyë]

Azaelia Gamgee, go to the who is hotter thread and vote for Legolas!!! lol

Legolas wouldnt kill a dwarf but if he had too then he would kill him without question.....and Legolas would kill them all! But with Aragorn, they might kill each other.....lol

and Gimli will win still!!!!!!! i still think Gimli will win! I understand what you are saying but yea.......

but this is just my opinion......

[Daughter of Gondor]

which is something that everyone's entiltled to

[Ringwraith]

Would they fight with weapons or barehanded?
I think Boromir would win anyway.

[Daughter of Gondor]

That's a good question, and I completely agree with you in the fact that Boromir would be victorious.
entdraught I'll drink to that

[Herenyë]

then if its like that then i dont know.....but Gimli (my opinion) is better then Boromir! lol ;)......but barehanded hmmmm i think Gimli might win ;)

[Daughter of Gondor]

Barehanded, Gimli would have a deffinate hight disadvantage. But then again, he's stocky and probably well balanced. But Boromir would be quicker, and deffinately outlast him if it came to endurence. All that armour does get very heavy.

[Herenyë]

Gimli has alot of armoury but he is a dwarf and is heavy so then like yea.........so he is used to it........even though he is short he has advantages.....heehee lol ;)

[Daughter of Gondor]

Yeah, but all Boromir has too do is pull Gimli's braid or beard and the cat's in the bag lol

[David D]

I cannot believe people hold Boromir in such low esteem as a warrior. He was the best fighting man in Gondor and the strongest member of the fellowship. As for his death he was not shot with three arrows by a single bowman. Boromir was such a fomidable foe that the orcs could not get near him. They had to retreat and shoot him with arrows. It was not one bowman but many bowmen and it was not three arrows, but many. Gimli though a worthy warrior would eventually fall to Boromir.

[YayBoromir!]

Agreed, David D. And it's not just because he's my fave character! lol If he held his reputation as a worthy Captain-General then he could obviously hold his own in a fight.