Anduril and the death of Elrond?

[Serech]

I spent the last year thinking that Arwen would bring Anduril to Aragorn, either just before or just after Helms Deep. But having seen the TT I think PJ is going for a more radical departure from the book. I now believe that it is Elrond who will deliver the sword to Aragorn and possibly then go on the Paths of the dead to fall in the Battle of the Pelennor fields. Anybody else have the similar thoughts?

Thalion@Serech

[Lady Ashley]

Die at the Pelennor? Where'd you hear that, if I may inquire?

[Serech]

Look at the evidence. There's no Elladan and Elrohir in the movies. In the books it is the bretheren who bring word from their father about the paths of the dead. Secondly, no mention of the Dunedin at all as yet. He has to get the sword somehow and look at the expression on his face as Arwen is leaving. He's the only character with the stature to bestow the sword on Aragorn.

[Gwaihir]

Hmmm... I don't want to guess yet. It's not altogether impossible, but the fans will be angered! Anything could happen in RotK with PJ as the director! lol

[Tar-Palantir]

If so, I think that the fans will slaughter Peter. I can't read his mind, but I don't think that thats the way he would like it.

[Rumil]

Won't Arwen bring the sword? In the book she prepares the banner which she sends with the grey company. My guess (and that is all it is) is that Arwen will show up at some point with Anduril/Narsil

[Iorlas]

Arwen will probably bring the sword for I do remember in TTT trailers/previews that someone robed in the clothes of the leaving elves taking the shards of Narsil (or reforged already?). So it would probably be Arwen as a defiant act to hold on to her true love Aragorn. Unless the extended TTT tells of the elves otherwise, Arwen may meet up with Rangers of the North or at least those of her kin like the sons of Elrond and take the sword to Aragorn. Her father would let her do this for he loves her enough to let her make up her own mind on what path she choses.

[Warrior Alien]

Well, as long as Aragorn gets Anduril, I will be happy.
As for Elrond, it doesn't really matter. He already seems like a racist ******* towards men, so I wouldn't be that fazed.
Wait, who am I kidding? I would! Jackson couldn't kill him. He's the racist Elf everyone loves!!!

[Gatsby]

if pj kills off elrond, heck I'LL run him through... but i saw ellodan and elrohir a the council of elrond... he probably delivers the sword but i don't think we'll hearing any laments for elrond cuz that would screw up the ending... as for the dunedain i think we can expect to see them in the next flick
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p.s haha racism in middle earth... haha 'it's because i'm mortal isn't it!'

[Narsil's weilder]

Take your LOTR replica Narsil and shove it up his......

[Gatsby]

amen
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gatsby

[Ithielnor]

Nah, PJ wouldn't do that...... would he? I'll...... nevermind what I'd do. Elladan and Elrohir were the two elves on either side of Elrond at the council, right?

[Little Devil]

Can't let Elond die!!! He has loadsa stuff to do. Can't wait to see what Elladan and Elrohir are going to look like in Rotk. ;)

[Gatsby]

Originally posted by Ithielnor
Elladan and Elrohir were the two elves on either side of Elrond at the council, right?

that's the impression that i got
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[Undomiel]

Originally posted by Iorlas
Arwen will probably bring the sword for I do remember in TTT trailers/previews that someone robed in the clothes of the leaving elves taking the shards of Narsil (or reforged already?). So it would probably be Arwen as a defiant act to hold on to her true love Aragorn. Unless the extended TTT tells of the elves otherwise, Arwen may meet up with Rangers of the North or at least those of her kin like the sons of Elrond and take the sword to Aragorn. Her father would let her do this for he loves her enough to let her make up her own mind on what path she choses.


That's my thoughts exactly. I mean she obviously isnt going to leave ME and that person in the trailer walking up to the shards of Narsil is definitely Arwen. Plus we know that Aragorn gets Anduríl now because he's holding it in the ROTK calendar photo :thumbs:

[Moraneah]

I cannot see Elrond getting killed. He does go over grey havens and on to the shores of Valinor with Gandalf and Frodo and Bilbo. It would suck any other way:(

[Little Devil]

I feel that's one bit in the book they have to keep as it's so beautiful and sad. ;)

[Orkybash]

I see no hard evidence, or even circumstantial evidence, to suggest that they'll kill off Elrond. On the other hand, PJ's talked about how the Grey Havens isn't only in, but it's his favorite scene in the book.

Personally, I'm not worried. :thumbs:

[Undomiel]

Nah me neither. I think PJ has more sense than that and he does appreciate the books too.

[Stickman]

I agree. Where did you guys get that idea from anyways?

[Serech]

From Me!!! No, I don't have any evidence, just extrapolating from what's been done to Aragorn's character and what needs to be done to get him back to where he should be....THe King.

Thalion@Serech

[Kellie]

It's definitely food for thought, Serech - my pal Mormegil and I have pondered on exactly the same thing. No evidence ... unless you really want to count the fever-dream I experienced when I had flu.;)

But ... Elrond was at the Morannon in FotR, and it would end his story arc if he was there at the conclusion. And if he actually expired there, it would notch up the tension as Aragorn and co. face their likely doom - an actual death scene could even be played as a kind of parallel to the Isildur/Elendil scene we got in FotR. In that battle, the fall of Gild-galad was absent ... in fact, Gil-galad was absent if you happened to blink at the wrong moment. Is this because Elf-death was on the menu for RotK?

Please understand that I'm not necessarily advocating such a departure from the book (I woke up from the aforementioned fever-dream crying "Noooooo!" ), but after what happened to Haldir, I can't help but see it as a possibility. The Three Elven Rings have not been a major part of the films - Galadriel's appears only in the SE and the owners of the other two aren't mentioned. So much though I can visualise (and would love to see) the bearers of the Three take ship with Frodo and Bilbo, PJ might see it as a detail that could be left out.

:mmmm:

Kellie

[Tar-Palantir]

But one hell of a big detail that!

(Welcome b.t.w.)

[Undomiel]

no! they cant leave out the three leaving:( it would be a complete and utter travesty!!!!!!

[Gatsby]

i know! Tolkien would role over in his grave if he knew that they left it out... i would throw something in the theater
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[Undomiel]

i'm sure they wont. I mean PJ would have to be a complete idiot to do something like that, and i dont think he is.

[Unadrieniel]

I'd be very upset to say the least. I cried over Haldir, imagine what I'd be like if Elrond copped it! I'm already gonna be in tears over Theoden and Grima! And probably Frodo too, even if he doesn't die... and my lil Smeagol! What'm I gonna do...mecry mecry mecry :) cute smilies you have here!

[Winyaél Greenleaf]

Hmm don't think Elrond will die. How could he?! Anyway more likely Arwen will bring Anduril to Aragorn like wat the 1st person posted in this thread.

[Gothmog]

This is a waste of a thread...

[Brindlescruff]

No, no, no.

Just....no.

Elrond had better not die, or there'll be hell to pay.

PJ has changed the plot enough

~brin

[Nuratariel]

I doubt very much that PJ will kill off Elrond in RoTK, he wouldn't do something that off the wall. But I do think I would rather see him bring Aragorn Anduril rather than Arwen, its not that I don't like her, she's really not that bad and I have no issues with her character(I understand why they did what they did) But I think I would find it more suiting for Elrond to bring his foster son the sword. It would be like Elrond accepting Aragorn completly even though Aragorn wishes to wed Arwen. I just think I'd rather see Elrond handing over the sword rather than Arwen is all.:mmmm:

But good points have been made by all.