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Faramir
December 22nd,2002, 04:36 AM
So in the movie, who is going to go to the Paths of the Dead with Aragorn? Legolas and Gimli will most likely, but since there were no more Rangers in TTT, like the book, who else goes? Probably not any of the Rohan. The elves that survived Helm's Deep, maybe?

Lady Melody
December 22nd,2002, 01:40 PM
Legolas, Aragon, Gimli are supposed to go, alone. Just three of them. And I don't think anyone else'd follow... we don't even know if it is to be included in the movie... I hope they do though, the special effects would be highly interesting~!!

Rumil
December 22nd,2002, 08:58 PM
Originally posted by Lady Melody
Legolas, Aragon, Gimli are supposed to go, alone. Just three of them.

I think you might be right

Serech
December 22nd,2002, 10:49 PM
If they don't include it it will REALLY screw the storyline completely! My guess is Elrond will bring Anduril AND go on the paths of the dead since in the book it was the sons of Elrond who brought a meesage from thier father to Aragorn to remind him about the profecy.

Thalion@Serech

Lady Melody
December 23rd,2002, 05:39 PM
Agreed... but it still would be interesting to see Elladan and Elrohir...

Faramir
December 23rd,2002, 11:04 PM
From the decipher cards, there are 2 elves named. They are Ferevaldir and Erethon. Although there weren't mentioned in TTT, they were at Helm's Deep, as seen from the pictures: http://www.decipher.com/lordoftherings/cardlists/twotowers/large/LOTR-EN04065.html and http://www.decipher.com/lordoftherings/cardlists/twotowers/large/LOTR-EN04067.html

Maybe they will do something in ROTK.

Lady Melody
December 24th,2002, 09:45 AM
I think not... I've never even heard of them before!

Luthien
December 25th,2002, 10:37 PM
Are they leaving Elledan and Elrohir (Elronds sons) out??? :o

Lady Ashley
December 26th,2002, 04:38 PM
I don't think PJ would leave something as important as the Paths out. Now, as to who is going, we don't know. Don't be worried about the Rangers...one never knows what PJ has up his sleeve, for good or bad.

Veefy
December 31st,2002, 01:24 PM
Originally posted by Faramir
The elves that survived Helm's Deep, maybe?

Umm did any Elves survive Helms Deep? There was a nice shot of orcs and elves bodies strewn together - it sure won't be Haldir....

Can't see PJ using non-descript lucky sole survivior elf #4 to guide them to the entrance. If there was a guide it could be:
(1) Arwen (after all she's probably rocks up at Edoras to (a) give Aragorn Narsil and (b) ensure Eowyn give herself a deathwish lol and shes the one trying to convince Aragorn to fulfil his destiny
(2) Thoeden (again possible but unlikely)
(3) another non-descript Rohirrm (Gamling, Hama - even though he's technically dead lol) probably even more unlikely

or and this is my current thinking.
(4) no-one they find their own way there

Mr Shirefolk
January 1st,2003, 01:05 AM
I know nothing of The Paths of the Dead being filmed. mecry

Having read many 'Spy reports' during principal filming, there was never any mention of The Paths of the Dead, alas.

However, the Houses of Healing are certainly in, so that's a relief. :)

Sharky
January 1st,2003, 02:22 AM
My guess is that Paths of the Dead would probably have been a sound stage shoot & CGI, and so easier to keep under wraps.

Elkay
January 7th,2003, 04:54 AM
I bring good news to those worried about the Paths of the Dead being filmed. Check out Harry Knowles' diary on aintitcool.com of his days on the shoot. He has a description of Aragorn, Gimli and Legolas on the Paths of the Dead. However, what isn't clear is whether anyone else, Rangers for instance, is present. Also in "The Making of the Lord of the Rings," is a description of the Oathbreakers masks, wigs actually... And if that's enough, Viggo Mortenson mentioned in an interview how Aragorn's story arc reaches from doubting his destiny to controlling the dead.:cool:

Ithielnor
January 7th,2003, 05:59 AM
Well the Rangers is still an option as they didn't arrive till after Gandalf and co. had visited Saruman.
Do you remember that mention of a path out of the caves at Helms Deep? Seemed to me that Theoden and Gamling were reluctant to mention it. Maybe........

Elf angel
January 7th,2003, 09:23 AM
Can't wait...so excited bout this :stomper:

Gatsby
January 7th,2003, 10:53 PM
huh... i was really looking forward to seeing the rangers and the sons of elrond... they seem kind of important to leave out
out
gastby

Serech
January 10th,2003, 01:36 PM
If the Paths of the Dead are "in" then the Palantir should be there as well. Since Aragorn only determines to use "the paths" after using the Palantir and seeing the Corsairs of Umbar steaming up the coast! This gives me hope for the film!

If however, he just up and decides .."hmmm I think I'll ride the paths of the dead today" or some such nonsense, I'll be seriously ticked off.

Thalion@Serech

Serech
January 10th,2003, 01:38 PM
AND ipso facto, IF he goes on the paths of the dead then either the sons of Elrond/Dunedain OR Elrond himself are going to have to turn up (with Anduril+standard) and tell him the way to go.

Thalion@Serech

Stickman
January 11th,2003, 01:46 AM
Who knows, maybe in the movies he already knows the way. And i still think that Arwen will be the one who gives it to him, and then she'll go to Lorien and get all those images where she appears sleeping/dead. Probably to show her fear for Aragorn as he goes through the Paths of the Dead. Anyone agrees?? :)

Tar-Palantir
January 11th,2003, 01:14 PM
No.

I think that Arwen's scene in Lórien is from the appendices of Aragorns and Arwens love. It is to say that she dies.

Another thing, I don't like what IMDB has done to the cast list of RotK. There are no spoilers anymore, exept Ghân-Bûri-Ghân,
An interesting thought, will Ghân lead Aragorn, Legolas and Gimli through the Paths of the Dead?

Gatsby
January 11th,2003, 05:01 PM
completlet off topic but....i personally don't think thier going to give a little epilogue of what happens to the fellowship after the destruction of the ring... i think it will just be the ring bearers leaving for the havens and that will be it... it doesn't make sence that they would go so far into the future when everyone knows that arwen and aragorn will die; it's ending the movie on a sad point for no reason when it's supposed to be a nice kind of ending (the ringbearers leaving is sad enough). i think they paid homage to arwen and aragorns's death in the TTT
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gatsby

Stickman
January 11th,2003, 10:25 PM
I think i read somewhere that PJ said that the movie would end with a narration by Cate Blanchett, although i'm not sure how that would work.

ImDaMom
February 22nd,2003, 10:53 PM
SPOILERS....

the rangers could still show up, as they did on the road to isengard. elladan and elrohir as well could show up at that time, bearing narsil (anduril) there' s no way just aragorn, legolas and gimli could control all the boats liberated from pelargir, so others must accompany them. arwen? no way. she'll take the sword to the smiths, get it reforged, and give it to her brothers. i think all this about her at helm's deep is orc-mischief, and no elf in his right mind would let the daughter of elrond travel with them. the rohan let eowyn go to war because of their great respect for her as a swordswoman. there is no such feeling (at least in the books) by the elves for arwen. she is a princess...eowyn is a shieldmaiden. imrahil may or may not show up, but the dunadain in some form will appear to assist on the paths of the dead. theoden cannot accompany them, because he's dead by the time aragorn et al appear, and he needs to name eomer as the new king, so eomer cannot go. no matter, whatever PJ does will follow the themes and spirit of JRR, whether we fan-folk agree or not. and we will be happy to enjoy the film for what it is....and be pleased that someone who loves the LOTR is at the helm.

ImDaMom
February 22nd,2003, 10:56 PM
SPOILERS AGAIN

(sorry bout the double post) the gray havens is NOT the end. we need to find out what happens to sam, merry, pippen and aragorn following the gray havens. the epitaph by Galadriel could be the final part from the appendices.....closing with the passing of sam, the end of m&p and "with the passing of king elessar, legolas built a ship to sail to the undying lands. with him went gimli the dwarf, thus bringing an end to the Fellowship of the Ring." how beautiful would that be????? she began the trilogy 3000 years ahead, why can't she end it 120 years in the future?

Rumil
February 22nd,2003, 11:35 PM
Originally posted by Serech
If however, he just up and decides .."hmmm I think I'll ride the paths of the dead today" or some such nonsense, I'll be seriously ticked off.

What? Are you seriously trying to suggest that you have never been wandering along the road enjoying the spring weather and suddely found yourself thinking 'Hmm I fancy a dark and treacherous journey plagued by threatening shadows of fear in the company of the accursed dead' just for the hell of it?... gee I guess we can't all be Mr Spontaneous... ;) lol

Yes, you are quite right:thumbs:

Tar-Palantir
February 23rd,2003, 12:28 AM
Well, a little detail to ponder on.
The elves coming to Helm's Deep wore the exactly same outfits as Tolkien described the Rangers in the books. Well, apart from the armour and stuff. Look at the starbrooch, the same in the books and the same in the movie.

legolastheawesome
February 23rd,2003, 05:41 PM
Originally posted by Lady Melody
Agreed... but it still would be interesting to see Elladan and Elrohir...

I agree. They haven't been in the movies yet, I hope they will be included in the Paths of the Dead.