Should Aragorn Have Just Forgetten About Arwen?

[Gatsby]

Even though we all know that what happens in the movie never really happend in the book... and disregarding what we all know happens in the end; hypothetically speaking do you think that Aragorn should remain faithfull to Arwen even though thier future was completely up in the air... or should he have moved on with his life and choose Eowyn?
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[Bonos-Girl]

i think that (hypothetically speaking) he shouldn't have just forgotten about her but thought about it. In the film its basically arwen having to chose between her love for aragorn and her father. If he was sure that she loved him more than elrond then he should have carried on hoping that elrond would not hurt arwen like that but if he was at all unsure then he should have gone for eowyn.

[Daughter of Gondor]

She bound herself to him, and he would be a jerk to forget about her. Eowyn is a tramp for trying to get close to him when she knows that he is taken.

[Adunauriel]

I don't think he should have forgotten about Arwen... I also think it must have been hard for him to avoid the temptation of Eowyn... But, I'm sure he loves Arwen......:thumbs:

[Stickman]

Eowyn is not a tramp!!! no way! She admired him for what he was, a king of men. She never acts upon her thoughts, she just tries to tell him what she feels, and when she realizes what a great bond there is between Arwen and Aragorn, and also since he goes to the Paths of the Dead, she loses all hope and goes to the War to have a glorious death. The point is, she's definitely not a tramp!

Anyway, i think he was right to stay with Arwen. If he loved her as much as it shows, then he wouldn't have turn his back at her until there was absolutely no hope for them. I think that even if Arwen went to the Undying Lands, Aragorn still wouldn't have turned to Eowyn, since he never really loved her, he just cared about her.

[Brego]

I agree i think he was definately right to stay with Arwen :)

[Daughter of Gondor]

Arwen left to go to the West. Aragorn is left alone and mourning at the loss. He wanted her to go, but he is still hurt that he will never see her again. Eowyn sees his distress and tries to get closer to him. She should just give him his space, he doesn't need her and she shouldn't take the chance that something will develope. She may not be a tramp, but she's working on it.

[Stickman]

I think she just wanted to know more about him, but when she understood that Aragorn was that much in love with Arwen and all that stuff, she became sort of depressed, and then with him going to the Paths of the Dead she just decided to seek her own death. I kinda understand her, since if i liked someone i would still try to see if there's something i'm able to do about it. Just because Aragorn and Arwen were meant to be together doesn't mean that her behavior is completely not understandable. Anyway, i think that it's really a personal opinion, so i will stop now :) I just like to debate, that's all.

[Tar-Ancalimë]

i think whoever wrote this article has never been or even imagined being in love with someone they couldnt have, with someone equally nice but you dont love her was right there.... honestly... its unthinkable... to give up Arwen and go with Eowyn just because Eowyn is available...

[Iarfirithwen]

I suppose it was thinking into the long term. Ofcourse I'm (and I guess the article is) ignoring all that happens in the books and what is to come in ROTK)

As Aragorn said to Eowyn "She sailed with last of her people to the undying lands" (or whatever it was).
He is under the impression she has gone and so is Eowyn. I don't think Aragorn could ever lose that love he felt with Arwen. He would carry it for all his life. Maybe (as portrayed inthe movies where Aragorn seems a little more interested in Eowyn than he did in the books) he sees in Eowyn the possibility of something. (And it is possible to fall in love all over again). Eventually he knows he would have to marry and father a line of kings. He thinks Arwen has gone and here is a women "a daughter of kings" yadda yadda. I think its made out that they care for one another and I don't see anything wrong with that. Hell I care for a great deal of people, regardless of who they are, doesn't mean I'm in love with them. Also times of great stress can bring people closer, so I don't think in the movies that Eowyn is chasing after him, infact in some places she stays back (when Aragorn arrives at Helm's Deep). So I also have to disagree with the tramp comment :rolleyes: I think Eowyn sees Aragorn partially as an escape, partially as a way to save her people. I see her as being a little confused with her emotions.
SO I suppose in short I don't think Aragorn could ever give up his love for Arwen (no choice there). But then if we take the movie version of it and it looks like Arwen has left middle-earth for ever (thats Aragorn's take on it) then eventually I think he'll love someone else. Whether or not its Eowyn is up to him. But then there is a bit more attraction in the movie than book. But I don't think it is possible to give up the one you love so quickly (and Aragorn obviously hasn't) even though there is another possibility (and an obviously great one) so close. But then at some point he has to face reality that Arwen is gone (remember I'm ignoring ROTK and the books here). So I kind of agree with you there Tar.

[Elanor]

I think Aragorn was as committed to Arwen and ready to sacrifice all to be with her, as she was to him. Consider their relationship as described in the books (noteably the story of their love in the appendix)--Aragorn first saw and fell in love with Arwen when he was just 20--she didn't really fall in love with him until she saw him again when he was 50 years old--but he had remained in love with her all that time. He went out into the Wild because Elrond told him he wasn't good enough for his daughter when Aragorn was 20--he wouldn't approve of their love until Aragorn was both king of Gondor and of the Elven land. He did it all for Arwen.

[Elanor]

One more thing--
In regards to Eowyn--I think Aragorn felt a connection to her out of admiration and respect and a sense of common ground--she was a warrior like him and to see those traits and strengths in a woman who could have probably had a very safe and comfortable life as a neice to the king was something special. I think he could see a lot of depth in her character and knew she had great potential as a leader (or as a queen). In the books, Eowyn is portrayed as an "ice maiden", cold and unfeeling and always sorrowful and Aragorn sees her deep unhappiness and wishes her to be more joyful. Eowyn isn't really in love with Aragorn--she thinks she is, but it's just her desire to be a queen. She doesn't realize what love and true happiness is until Faromir pledges his love for her--then her ice heart is melted. When she falls in love with Faromir she gives up her warrior ways and adopts a healing, love all nature kind of attitude.

[Thorondor of Manwe]

Aragorn...forget Arwen? Hmmmmm...I don't think so. Eowyn is no match - or replacement - for Arwen. Although Eowyn certainly has eyes for Aragorn, I don't think Aragorn feels much of an attraction for her.

It will be interesting to see how this all plays out in ROTK. I mean, it's obvious that Eowyn will not become involved with Aragorn - we know that, in the book, she marries Faramir. And, I don't think the scriptwriters will radically alter the storyline to include a relationship between Aragorn and Eowyn.

Bear in mind that the film version of LOTR was not only made for LOTR book fans. It was also made for those who have never read the books. And folks that I have talked to - people who have seen the movie but haven't read the books - remark on Aragorn's eligible "bachelor" status. Arwen's passing and Eowyn's presence has created a strong love angle to the story. But, those of us who have read the books know differently.

One thing that I would like to say is that I don't feel that the love angle between Arwen and Aragorn is superficial - that is, it was something created just for the film. It's very clear in the book, FOTR, that there is, in fact, a relationship between Aragorn and Arwen. You can feel Aragorn's painful longing for Arwen when the Company stays at Rivendell. And you get the same feeling when the Company is at Lothlorien and Aragorn addresses Galadriel (and, we also find out that Galadriel is Arwen's grandmother).

As for the film version of TTT, I guess I am mystified by Arwen. Could it be that she will return? Yes, we know that in TTT, she journeyed to the Grey Havens. But did she really board the ship and pass in the West? Hmmmmmmmmmm...all kinds of possibilities here.

[Dawn Noelle]

i don't think so
i'm not sure you can just "forget" about a love that runs that deep
i found him even more honorable for remaining faithful to arwen, even when another opportunity arose.

i'm also not sure that eowyn didn't want him partly because he was unavailable emotionally.

just my .02


ps thanks for sharing the appendix part (i still havent read it). it definitely puts it into perspective.

[Altáriel]

I prefer Eowyn's character in the books than Arwen's,Eowyn's role is more of a modern woman who fights for her longings and it ****es me off that is Arwen the sweet, nice,beautiful who gets the boy, her role is the one of a perfect wife,the only thing she does is waiting to get married and sewing Aragorn's banner.It makes me think of all this coments about men being afraid of women's new role in our society, fear makes them choose sometimes passive women instead of active, strong and free onespfbbt
I think Aragorn feels true love for Arwen and never forgets about her; the idea of true love in Tolkien's books is the one that lasts forever,one life-one love, so that means Aragorn can't feel more than tenderness for Eowyn.Well that's fiction but in real life Aragorn would be a fool if he didin't fall in love with Eowyn
And Eowyn doesn't get between Aragorn and Arwen, she is confused, she thinks she is in love but what she feels for aragorn is respect because he had live a life that she wants for herself.Also the true love concept in Tolkiens books would explain that Eowyn has nerver being in love with Aragorn because she falls in love with Faramir and marries him at the end.
Faramir gets the best!!!no doubt!!!
:thumbs:

[Idril]

I agree with you, Altariel, though I'm affraid this is not very popular point of view ...:rolleyes:
If we are talking about the books, not movies - IMO Arwen is just a beautiful reward for Aragorn to pay for his labours and all she does is ...making a good impression (and sewing roflmao ). Eowyn makes mistakes maybe, but she has her desires, ambitions and hopes and she tries to realise them.
And one more thing...I'd been thinking about it for a quite long time ( 12 years more or less :) ) and as a result came to a conclusion that... our shieldmaiden of Rohan never really loved Faramir....;) She chose him because she couldn't have the king. And I suspect, that as a very very old woman ,after Faramir's death ,she brooded on her unhappy life....:( and her possible bliss as Aragorn's wife....
hehehh...I've created a new story, don't you think?lol

[Bonos-Girl]

lol...i wanna read that story!

[Altáriel]

that's too sadmecry
I rather prefer thinking she lived a very happy life with faramir, her real true love....:cuddles:

[Idril]

thanks to so warm reactions of prospective readers I've decided to publish the story titled "She Lived Unhappily to the End of Her Days" in short episodes...let's say....once a week veryhappy
I'm sorry to disappoint you, Altariel :( I'll give away some news how my story ends and that may be interesting for you (oh, i know I shouldn't do that - it's no good in telling the end before telling the beginning ;) , yet here it is : ) some time before her death Eowyn came last time to Minas Tirith and met Aragorn. Her husband was dead for some years (after unfortunate fall from a horse) and now she felt free to say to the king all things she had in mind (and believe me - she had a lot to tell ! ) She told him that to see him in glory and bliss was unbearable torment and....[to be continued].roflmao


i hope you enjoyed yourself:)

[GaladrielofScotland]

I think Aragorn was right to stay wif Arwen ... theres something about Eowyn that i dont like ... i dont know what it is ... i'll hav 2 work it out..

[Roxanne Elessar]

Aragorn and Arwen are in love! I don't think EITHER of them should let it down, and even though they are miles away from each other, and Arwen has to go away with her kin, I still think they should keep it, and I know Aragorn:loveyou:, who is truly faithful to his friends and his love, will never forget her, and he will go back to her when the journey is over.

[Tári Celebrindal]

Book- and movie-wise, I don't think Aragorn could forget about Arwen. We all know how deep their love is, and I think it would be a contradiction in character if Aragorn could replace Arwen with Eowyn at the snap of a finger. Even if Arwen leaves, he couldn't have any other loves, even someone as good as Eowyn.
I think Eowyn was attracted to Aragorn because he is a different sort of man, and the novelty Aragorn presented intrigued her. But that's just my two cents.

[Malmenel]

For a start, Arwen is 10x hotter than Eowyn, but i could see Aragorn and Eowyn getting together if Arwen wasn't there (ie: on Valinor)
Aragorn is probably just what Eowyn wants to be, as in a strong warrior who actually fights. I think she loves him for completely different reasons to Arwen, who sees him as something other than a well-hard swordsman but as the noble kind and loyal guy he really is, even though his hands are more often on the string of the bow than the harp...