Brad Pitt and Orli IN THE SAME MOVIE

[Gatsby]

the subject speaks for itself... i heard that brad pitt, the mother of all hotties is going to be in a movie with orli, the new school hottie. i heard it's going to take place in roman times or something like that; but i wouldn't if it was about them trying to save a giant tortoise, i would still see it 8 times... does any one know anything more about it?
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gatsby
p.s if im horribly mistaken and there is no such movie tell me now so i can start the mourning process :)

[Adunauriel]

Don't go into morning yet.... The movie is called 'Troy' (atleast for now)... It's an epic movie, about the Trojan War started beause of Paris (Orlando) haveing an afair with Helen of Troy (she's married to Menelaus, the Spartan King).... Brad Pitt plays Achillies, the legendary Greek Hero. And Hector is played by Eric Bana.. Paris is the Brother of Hector.... It's slated to open sometime in 2004....:thumbs: :)

[Trista]

yeah what Adunauriel said.

[Tar-Ancalimë]

that sounds like a great movie.... but omg, 2004?? lol

[Trickster]

sounds interesting tho! *Trickster grins in the corner of her room* :D

[Little Devil]

Brad Pitt's gonna die! That is if they play the movie according to the story, (which is a good story) he get's shot by a arrow in th ankle, as that's the only mortal place in his body, It's Paris who kills him (Orlando) (so the archery with Lotr comes in handy at times.) But that's just the story they might change it I have no idea, can't wait. ;)

[Ilmarë]

:elfeek: Brad and Orli?? Some drool fest that'll be!!.. hehehehelol

[Catz]

hmmm has shooting started on this one yet? or are they still in pre pro talks?
:catz:

[Gatsby]

if it's due out in 2004 i don't they've stared shooting... and with any luck jennifer and brad will be divorced by then so he'll be fair game! and orli as well... he's so cute!
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gatsby

[Adunauriel]

Since Orlando is still filming Pirates, they haven't started this one yet... I do believe it said they'd start filming sometime later this year, but can't remember....:) :thumbs:

[Little Devil]

Originally posted by Gatsby
if it's due out in 2004 i don't they've stared shooting... and with any luck jennifer and brad will be divorced by then so he'll be fair game! and orli as well... he's so cute!
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gatsby

Gatsby, you evil person, ;) lol No I'm glad that Brad and Jen are married, I think it's sweet, new America Sweethearts. But there's still Orli! :drool:

[Adunauriel]

Yep, thank the stars.. Orlando's still single......;) :) :thumbs: :cool:

[Pinklotus]

I heard the filming to Troy starts April 2003

[Little Devil]

That's good. :thumbs:

[Gatsby]

Originally posted by Little Devil
Gatsby, you evil person, ;)

i can't live the sweet girl lie any more!
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gatsby

[Adunauriel]

I've known you were evil for awhile Gatsby. So I'm not shocked by you Brad & Jen comment.. Part of me hopes for the same thing... I just don't think it's going to happen.....:thumbs: lol

[Iarnarwen]

Orli in a Greek translucent skirt ensemble...yum...:drool: :drool: :drool: :drool:

bring it on!lol

[Adunauriel]

Yep, I think the Drool will most definately flow in the theaters....;) lol

[Lintefaniel]

And the floors are already sticky enough in there! But who cares, honestly! I would pay good money to see both hotties together....;)

[Adunauriel]

Heck, I'd pay bad money... Then again, that's not really a good idea.... But I would.....:thumbs: lol

[Gatsby]

i thought that my nice girl disguise was really believable! ...mmmmmm brad pitt...
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gatsby

[Adunauriel]

It was for a little while, but then it crumbled......:thumbs:.... And the tastieness of Orlando......

[Little Devil]

Yum! Should be a good film! :rolleyes: lol ;)

[Adunauriel]

Sounds to me like it should be a really good movie....:thumbs:

[Gatsby]

as long as one is shirtless at some point i'm golden
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gatsby

[Little Devil]

Please, please, they have to it must be so hot! ;)

[Adunauriel]

Brad & Orlando shirtless..... I think I'd fall right out of me seat....;) :naughty:

[Little Devil]

:drool:

[Pinklotus]

am i the only person here who don´t like brad pitt ?

[Gatsby]

yes. yes you are :)
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gatsby

[Adunauriel]

I don't think yiou the only one in the Forums, but you are the only one in this thread.....:thumbs:

[Pinklotus]

words of hope *sigh*

[Adunauriel]

Not to worry Pinklotus, it's understandable and you don't have to like Brad....:thumbs:

[Gatsby]

yes you do! j/k
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gatsby

[Adunauriel]

Well, I think it's more important that you like Orlando.....;) lol

[Herenyë]

isnt it going to be in cartoon or something? this is the only movie i dont really understand.....too much rumors.....all i know is that Orlando is going to start a conflict between his cousin (or his friend dont know who but lets pretend its his cousin). He does that by having an affair with his cousins girlfriend....and it went on from there......his cousin is like from a different town and orlando is in a different town......so then cuz of that the two towns go in battle.......so yea thats all i know.....and going to this website can help a little i think lol www.orlandomultimedia.net

and btw i dont think Brad Pitt is cute.....he is kinda uhh ugly no offense.....but Orlando (for me) is the father of all hotties ;) lol :thumbs:

[Adunauriel]

Ok Herenyë, this movie is about the Trojan War.. A few pages back, I wrote a pretty good synopsis about the movie. You should read it, and then if you still have any question feel free to ask them.. BTW, no it's not a cartoon...:thumbs:

[Herenyë]

thanks adun!!!! :blush: lol ;)

i was almost close!

[SindarinGirl]

Sean Bean as Odysseus - he'll be perfect!! If he does it. Oh please, oh please!

And I hope it doesn't come out til 2004, I still have to read the Iliad! :read:

[Adunauriel]

Your in luck then.. It wont be comeing out until next year, because it doesn't start filming til a little later this year...:thumbs:

[Ennea]

Haha love that story.... can already picture Orli and Sean B. doing the movie!!!

[Adunauriel]

I'm not sure Sean B. is actually going to be in the movie... I think someone was just mentioning he'd be a good idea...:thumbs:

[Herenyë]

He should.....well this movie is also in a book? wowzers......well i need to read that book when im done with LotR heehee......

[Adunauriel]

I actually have to amend my previous comment.. Evidentally Sean B. is in talks to possibly play Odysseus in the movie...;)

[Gatsby]

i was watching the golden globes and they were interviewing brad pitt, and they asked what he was doing next and he said the trojan war... and i screamed WITH ORLI!! i got all excited... i know i'm a dork
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gatsby

[Adunauriel]

lol So did I, after he said it.. I said to my dad, "He's making that movie with Orlando"..... That's too cool, that you said it too.....:thumbs: lol

[Herenyë]

Hey who wouldnt? Orlando is the best person to get excited about :flamer: he is so hot!!!!! ;)

[Adunauriel]

Yea but it's funny that Gatsby & I would make almost the same comment...:thumbs: lol

[Jessica]

i would love 2 be in movie with orlando i wish i was like his age it woukld be great

[Little Devil]

I guess it would be kinda cool. ;)

Brad and Jen's marrige isn't going that well, his new best friend is the female producer from Troy, and Jen thinks he's not the love of her life, I really hope they don't split, they're like perfect Hollywood couple. ;) :):cool:

[Adunauriel]

I don't think they'll split up. It's probably just something they said, but not meaning it seriously....:grin:

[Herenyë]

yea......i dont want them to split! they rock!!!!!!! but i think Brad Pitt is ugly no offense......but they make a good couple! :thumbs: ;) :whoohoo: heehee Orli!!!!!!!! veryhappy

[Little Devil]

ok, there's no way Brad's ugly IMO, but I just guess what taste you have,hehe ;) I really hope they don't split up, they're like Amercia's Sweethearts. :thumbs:

[Herenyë]

Yes they are!!!!!!!!!! they are american sweethearts!!!!!!!!!! and my taste is someone like Orlando.......lol (well duh! lol;)) heehee....i cant wait to watch the movie!!!!!!!!!! *smiles*

[Gatsby]

wait... there is trouble in paradise? where did you hear that? *crosses her fingers* come on divorce! i HATE jennifer aniston...
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gatsby

[Adunauriel]

Well, atleast we know where Gatsby stands on Brad & Jen...:thumbs: lol lol ;) :cool:

[Herenyë]

lol.....well i saw it in a magazine......but like she said well we are working it out its just that the neighbors are giving us a hard time.....and brad said i know its just i guess beginning trouble for newlyweds......well i dont know if its true my sister told me so dont blame me if i get it wrong......just telling you what i heard :grin:

but i think they should stay together i just thought that Jen could of got someone better.....:thumbs:.....but yea heehee *dont trout me please!!!!!*

[Adunauriel]

Well, I hope they stay together, but I thinks it's time we left there relatioship alone.. And, get back to talking about the Movie, which as understand it supposed to be called Troy.. Are there any updates on it?:grin:

[Herenyë]

I read an article on it a couple of days ago.....i found it on www.orlandomultimedia.net its somewhere on there.....but i dont think the sites working right now cuz i cant seem to go there right now.....:(.....but hopefully it works now!!!!!

[BeLLe_Etoille]

I'm actually really looking forward to this movie, as I'm a BIG fan of historical and mythology epics...and well....ummmmm *blush*...Orlando's going to be in the movie, so, that's just a cherry on the sundae! And...quite a yummy one at that I must say so myself... ;)

[Adunauriel]

I'll agree with you on the Orlando yummy factor.. I hope this movie does justice to the Trojan War, and the cause behind it.. I hope it's not a Big Budget Hollywood mess-up...:mmmm:

[silverwings01]

I sincerely doubt that hollywood will screw this up. They have a pretty decent track record when it comes to period pieces . . .

-Lawerence of Arabia
-Gladiator
-Ben Hur
-The Ten Commandments

. . . . and these are the ones I can think of off the top of my head that are ancient times related. Hollywood and period pieces are a match made in heaven, so to speak. No worries here.

BTW, i think everyone should aquaint themselves w/ the myth version of the Trojan war if they can't find time to shift through the Illiad. They're pretty close. (PM if you'd like a quick summary of the myth)

[Herenyë]

:duh:.....lol im agreeing with all of you heehee....*like the icon so dont take it personally ;)*....but yea.......im looking forward to this movie....and when is it going to come out? anyone know? heeheee.....and Silverwings01 i want some info about the movies....so ill talk to you on PM :thumbs:

[Ennea]

2 bad that Paris gets killed...... but it's a cool story, even when it's all you get to read in Latin class for a whole year!

[Herenyë]

NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! my off spoiler thing is ruined!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :angry: :(

[Adunauriel]

Originally posted by Herenyë
....and when is it going to come out? anyone know? It hasn't started filming yet, so as far as I know it's supposed to come out sometime next year....:grin:

[Herenyë]

OH......i see.....hopefully i dont know anymore spoilers *looks at ennea* lol jk heehee ;).....im going to be really careful for what i read here......heehee......;)

[Brindlescruff]

Has anyone heard of this one?

It is about the Trojan War.

Orlando Bloom plays Pairs and Bard Pitt plays Achielles (sp?)

Sean Bean is also in it, but I forget what character he plays.

Isn't that cute? Sean and Orlando working together again!

I'll post the link if anyone is interested.

~brin

[Galadhrim]

There's a post called "Brad Pitt and Orli IN THE SAME MOVIE" a few posts down that started off as a post about Troy (take a look if you're interested). But knowing the girls around here, it might have turned into a :drool: over Orli session by now. ;)

P.S.
And NO, I'm NOT saying I'm not the drooling type myself... lol

[Tar-Ancalimë]

i could drool all day... over sean. but yeah, shes right, theres already a thread on this ;)

[Adunauriel]

Well, you could drool in here Tar, if the rumors are true and Sean is in this movie too....:thumbs:

[Eorl the Young]

I don't know if anyone knows about this movie yet but in 2004 a new movie is going to hit the theaters with Sean Bean and Orlando Bloom (just thought you would like to know, becouse they are both in LotR and lots of girls like Orli)
The film is named Troy and follows the old story of Homerus.
Sean Bean is casted as Odysseus, the one who came up with the whole Troyan Horse thing and Orli plays Prince Paris of Troy the one who started the battle in the first place :battle: Brad Pitt is also in it as Achilles.

http://us.imdb.com/Title?0332452

P.S. since Paris is an archer, we get to see Orlando Bloom with a bow again!

[Mirkgirl]

hmmm I believe there was a thread on this looooong time ago

yeah found it http://warofthering.net/forums/vbulletin225/upload/showthread.php?s=&threadid=2739

But it wasn't that sure then I think... Anyway sounds interesting, might see it.. Bean as Odysseus sounds...ahem...interesting

[Catz]

yup.........and there was also one in here too, so ive merged this with it.........please, lets keep this thread for discussing the movie, and not swooning over the cast ;) lol
:catz:

[Nazgul Queen]

um.. Orli, i don't much care for, but Brad... :naughty: evil J Lo... grr... i'm sure it'll be a great movie. it's not that i don't like Orli, it's just the fangirls. and ya never know, i could start liking Orli... :::shudders::: i need to stop going shopping and to the movies with Nar.... she's rubbing off on me! mecry mecry

ok, so SB is in it too? cool. it'll be great having SB, Brad, and Orli in the same movie. Orli IS a good actor, i'll admit, i just don't... swoon over every pic of him i see.

ok, a little off topic there.

so, what's the movie called? Troy? scary. my old camp counseler was named Troy! he looked like a monkey... :elfeek:

[Celebrían]

I'm really looking forward to this one! I LOVE historical dramas/epics, and the cast list is looking great (I'm talikng talent wise, here ;) ) It should be wonderful! :thumbs:

[Nazgul Queen]

Celebrian- are you sure ur not talkin more than talent wise? :naughty: lol lol

[Eorl the Young]

Well... it's weird since they are only going to take a part of Homerus' epic. I saw an other movie with both Troy and the voyages of Odysseus and it fellt like you couldn't see one part without seeing the other parts. Just like seeing only The Two Towers of the LotR series. I hope they proove my feelings wrong tough.

[Nefatariel]

Troy by the looks of the cast sounds promosing so i can't wait to see what magic they work with this! I hear also that Sean Bean has joined the cast which I wouldn't mind seeing him again :)

[Celebrían]

originally posted by Nazgul Queen

Celebrian- are you sure ur not talkin more than talent wise?

Yes, m' dear, quite. ;) lol

[Nazgul Queen]

oh, ok then! lol lol

[Celebrían]

Seriously, though, it really should be great, at least I hope it will be great....*fingers crossed* :thumbs:

[David D]

I seriously doubt it will follow the story of the Illiad. I have always enjoyed reading mythology of all cultures and it has hurt me the way that Greek mythology has been butchered. Hercules both the Disney and the series are absoloute disgraces. They bare little resemblence to the way that Hercules (Heracles) is portrayed.

Therefore I positive that the stroy line and the behaviour of the characters will be changed to make the film more appealing. Achilles is unlikely to be the brilliant, arrogant, spoiled, brutal and noble man that he is. Instead he will be replaced with the typical Hollywood hero, who though almost strays from the straight and narrow, will eventually return to the right path.

[Númenórean]

We have a teacher at school who is crazy with greek mythology and he tells a story about Hercules every lessona and I just love those stories: Hercules wearing a lionskin with a loinhead as helm and an enormous wooden club. I just love it.

And I think you're fear in justified David. Hollywood has a way to change characters from the way they truly are.

[Caligula]

Well, you must remember- Hercules was made for CHILDREN. Do you really think that Disney will show the hero murdering his own wife, children and teachers? Do you think that Disney would show the hero get drunk and make a complete fool of himself (on several occasions)?

I think that the producers will do a decent job portraying the mythical figures. However, some discrepancies will occur because of the gap between ancient Greek culture and today's culture. We don't glorify war and honor to the same extent as they did back then. Therefore some characters (especially Achilles) may be a bit different.

Don't get me wrong- I do want to see the movie as 'accurate' as possible, but it can't always be done. I accept that.

[David D]

Iam not sure that the ancient Greeks did glorify war that much. There favourite god was Apollo a god of poetry, music and a protector of shephards. The only people, who seemed to worship Ares were the Spartans. Athene was a popular war goddes, but she was involved with the intellectual part of combat and was the goddess of wisdom as well as crafts. The Greeks loved hero's such as Odysseus and Autocleus, who had great wit and intelligence.

Disney are not the only pnes to recpnstruct his character . Hercules had great respect for his father and would never do anything that was against his will. Hercules was probably Zeus favourtite child par Athene. In the Hercules/Xena series they alter this relationship to an abandoned child hates father thinking it will sell more. Then they say this is done for character developement.

Achilles was more than just a the best warrior of his time, he was very musiclly talented, had an appreciation for poetry and good at all sports. Before the death of Patroclus he would take prisoners and ransom them back. I don't think that Hollywood twill show the side of him where he begs Zeus through his mother to make the Trojans win. Neither will they show his appalling treatment of Hector's body.

[Caligula]

The Greeks had an idealized view of war.... the Bronze Age (which is the Trojan War took place) hero was a warrior, skilled in battle and strong as a god. I do agree that later ages and generations did not glorify war as much, the idea was practically the same. Homer (or whoever did actually write the Illiad and Oddysey) attatched the time's own beliefs to the story (like the wit of Odysseus and the some-what compassion of Achilles).

Where did you get the idea that Apollo was the Greeks favorite god? In all my research, I've never seen that. Sure, they did worship him, but not at the fervor that you are suggesting. If Apollo was the favorite, why was he not at the head of the Greek pantheon?

Didn't Hercules free Prometheus? To Hercules' knowledge, he was going against Zeus' will (little did he know that Zeus allowed him to free the chained Titan). Hercules did respect his father, but I wouldn't say that he would never go against his will....

Alright- the stories of mythological figures cannot be preserved 'accurately' when made into a show. Myths are limited, while the imagination of producers and writers are not. These characters must be slightly changed so that there could actually be a series, instead of just a couple of episodes. I don't entirely agree with this thinking, but it does help to get mythology into the main stream.

And I actually think they will show Achilles descecrating Hector's body. It's very simple (at least the part where he dragged the body around the walls of Troy) and it would add much more drama to the movie. I agree that they producers will probably not show the part where Achilles begs for the defeat of the Greeks- but more because it probably won't fit well with the direction that the producers want (making Achilles a tough-guy, not a cry-baby).

[Ronin]

For all one may be cynical concerning Hollywood and the desecration of sacred texts, the script, for now, maintains all that Achilles has been endowed with...and all that, presumably, will break the mold of the Hollywood hero. Of course, things may drastically change once filming finally begins...but it is all there. and hey, we do know that Brad Pitt can, can do some amazing work.

Peter O'Toole...enough said :grin:

[David D]

Apollo was considered the 'Greek' god. I have read a lot about this and he was considerd the typical Greek. The Greeks respected the strength of a warrior, but the very fact that they had the bloodthristy Ares shows they disliked the brutality of war.

The trojan war did not take place in the bronze age. That was an age of savagery where war destroyed the entire race( I think that is another hint of the Greeks view on war). The Trojan war was the end of the Heroes age.

Heracles freeing Prometheus was probably the only time that Heracles did disobey his father. However, Zeus came down himself to save Heracles and take him to Olympus. When Heracles asked him for help Zeus made it rain down stones to help hm. Heracles was the child of prophecy that would save the God from the Giants; no doubt Zeus would love him more than his other children.

I don't think that myths need to be changed for any reason other than the director wants it to appeal to the audience. People wll make Zeus resent his father, beause him loving his father makes him two dimensional. Heracles had a lot of faults and character, there is no need to change his character other than to make it more appealing to the masses.

I remember reading quote where they said that the film would be 'loosely' based on the Iliad. Brad Pitt is an actor, who could pull of AChilles though. Do you think that they will show Achilles hunting down and killing a boy. This act even in the Greek times was supposed to be horrific and prove that AChilles as well as the greeks ina whole had gone to far. Hollywood will no make a film where there is no clear 'good guy'. I seriously doubt that in the film Achilles will be begging for his men to die. I also doubt that the film will drive home the message that no matter how great Achilles was, he was nothing compared to even the least of the Gods.

No hero ever was as strong as a God apart from Heracles. Achilles would not have been able to beat the liek sof Theseus or Perseus since they were greater than any man, who fought before Troy.

[Ronin]

Lets remember folks....oral history become written. It ain't the honest truth.

[Caligula]

When I said 'Bronze Age', I did not mean it in mythological terms (not the 'Ages of Man' deal), but in history terms (as in, they used bronze for the majority of their weapons and tools).

As an oral story, words, phrases, and even events become distorted. Like I said earlier, at the time that the story was originally told, it glorified war more than it does in the form that we know it now. As the times changed, the story changed and developed to reflect that time's society and beliefs. Therefore, a war god may seem 'brutal' or 'savage' in later generations, when he was originally more thought kindly of. In much later generations, yes, the Greeks did think higher of Apollo than Ares, mainly because they were more developed and advanced than their Bronze Age counterparts, and did not have to rely on war.

When did Achilles kill a boy? I doubt you are thinking of Hector, right? Did you mean Hector's son (whose name escapes me right now)? If you are, I thought another Greek leader killed him (throwing him from the walls of Troy), after the war was over... but that's a minor detail.

I never said that Zeus did not love Hercules. I merely said that he did not always follow his father's will. I don't know if you consider this to be an act of disobedience, but I do- Hercules was not always as civil and polite to his hosts [Zeus was the protector of hosts and an infraction against a host was an infraction against him].

Not that this matters much, but I think Achilles would be able to beat Theseus (Achilles had impenetrable armor and only one weak spot). If Theseus did not know Achilles weak spot, he would die at the hands of the Achilles. I think that Achilles could also beat Perseus, minus the aegis. But in a test of brute strength, Achilles could beat him.

[Evanstar]

I heard its being filmed in Morocco and Rome... I soo hope thats true because I'm going to Europe in 2 weeks... hmmm the possibilities of getting even remotely close...:)

The fantasies aside yeah it seems like it'll be a wicked movie, I movies set in that era... I watched the Odessey the other day and really enjoyed it.

[David D]

Achilles found a son or Priam, who if he reached a certain age Troy would never fal. Achilles chased him and slew him. Actually the guy, who murdered Hector's son was Achilles little boy Neoptolemus. You forget that Achilles could not be penetrated by any weapon, but he could be suffocated, drowned or even have his body crused.

Achilles encounters Cyan a man, who is invulnerable to weapons like him, but he crushes him with stones. The same could be done to Achilles.

Perseu and Theseus were definately more than a match for Achilles, they both had divine parentage and were blessed with more gifts from their parents. Achilles was good for his time, but really fell short of the glory of the other great heroes. In brute strength he was not match for Perseus. Perseus was thought by Zeus to be the child, who would sley the giants. Do you think that Achilles would be a macth for giants. Perseus and Theseus, both had the courage and strength to attempt to defy Gods. Achilles was not even a match for a simple river God. Perseus killed Dionysus.

[Ronin]

Possiblities....cool! surely hope u get to somewhere close, if they're filming.

hmmm.....wow, we're into Mythology aren't we?

[Caligula]

Ah- I forgot about that little boy. But now that I do remember that story, I think it would be a possibility for the producers to add that scene- just to show the huge difference between our culture and their's. In Gladiator, they showed Maximus' little son being run over by horses, and then showed his burned body (at least his legs and feet). This scene could be done very nicely, if done with enough tact.

Are you saying that Achilles didn't have divine parentage, or do you not consider nymphs godesses? Achilles was favored by the gods and was given gifts (quality over quantity).

Perseus fell short of Zeus' initially idea of him, didn't he? He was not strong enough to slay the giants. And no, I don't think Achilles would have been able to either. But this fact doesn't make him any less strong.

OK- you have a point about the crushing Achilles part. (I cannot find a 'Cyan' where I have looked.... do you know a good website or book so I can read up on him?)

Achilles fought the river, yes, and was loosing, but no mortal could have escaped. A 'simple' river god?

Achilles sacked cities at the age of 15. If he had lived longer, myth suggests that he could have done more, if he had not died at such a young age. Perseus and Thesues- a sea monster, Medusa, the Minotaur, and a couple of bandits combined. Theseus seems to be more of the hero than Perseus.... perhaps Theseus could have beaten Achilles, but I can't really say.

And what is this about Perseus killing Dionysus?

[David D]

Hercules would have easily defeated by the river God, because he did defeated Death, wounded Hades, injured Hera, shot at the sun, fought with Apollo and drew in the first olympic match against Zeus. Achilles got scared of Apollo whilst Hercules seemed like defeating him. Perseus stood up to Dionysus, I seriously doubt Achilles could accomplish such a thing.

Achilles did have devine parentage, but not as great as Perseus. Sorry about saying Cyan that was a mistake, his acual name as cycnus. Anyway this still does illustrate the point that a blow of a club would kill him.I am also not sure that the scimitar that Perseus wielded would not penetrate Achilles.This weapon had injured both Cronus, Zeus and even Typhoon before.

Theseus killed giants and perseus was easily the best fighter of his time. He was also more intelligent.

[Caligula]

Everyone must look!! Fun stuff.... it's a picture of a boat that will be used in the movie!! And the article says that filming is starting this Tuesday in Malta!! How exciting!! And I saw at another website that the movie is slated to release 17 April 2003. :thumbs:

BOAT!! (http://www.timesofmalta.com/core/article.php?id=125131)

All Perseus did was kill Medusa, right? Then he just used her head to kill the king and the courtiers. Sure, that was a smart thing to do, but not very heroic. Theseus seems the more intelligent- he had to actually figure out ways to defeat his opponents.

Hmmm.... I guess the river Styx does the body good. It would make sense that if Perseus could harm those gods, then he would be able to harm Achilles.... but since he's impenetrable, I don't know....

OK- so most mortals couldn’t stand a chance with the river god. I didn’t think we would bring Hercules into this. ;)

Perseus stood up to Dionysus- as Achilles did to Xanthus- but both were defeated. Where’s the difference?

[David D]

Perseus was not defeated, he mortally woundd Dionysus and he had to go to the underworld. Perseus also slayed the seamonster and fought in other battles. Theseus was intelligent, but I don't think he had the skill of Perseus. Theseus also became a jerk in later life and was thrown out of Athens.

[Caligula]

Frankly, I don't even remember a fight between Perseus and Dionysus, let alone them even meeting.

Lesser heroes went to the Underworld.... that shouldn't be 'criteria' for a great hero. And I can't remember Perseus going to the Underworld..... Theseus did, but Perseus?

Theseus was a jerk his entire life (see this website (http://homepage.mac.com/cparada/GML/Theseus.html).... it describes his life incredibly well, even his indiscretions). But this fact does not make him less of a hero.