voice of sauron

[high capt. of angbad]

hey people! has anybody here read the war of the ring book in the history of middle earth set thingey? it explains that it is almost certain that the VoS is the WiKi. pretty cool stuff. just wanted to inform ya.

[Mirkgirl]

Well, first, it doesn't belong to the LotR forum so I moved it to Tolkien's other works. Second, I don't think that is possible, can you support your theory with a quote?

[high capt. of angbad]

the war of the ring. "the story forseen from forannest" page 364
notes #12

"earlier on this outline my father had questioned whether the ambassador was not in fact the Wizard King himself, and he appears again in the end, dispatched bu Sauron to Orodruin (his fate on the fields on the pelennor was therefor not finally decided) since at the end of the parley the ambassador casts off his garments and vanishes, he was certanily a Ringwraith; is this the meaning of "all the Nine Nazgul remounted?"

that good enough?

[Tar-Ancalimë]

Well, first of all, this is Chris Tolkien. Let’s stick to canon, which we all know to be the first and foremost authority. When HoME contradicts TLotR, HoME should go out the window. ;)

Tolkien himself said nothing about the Mouth of Sauron. You quoted a note, which means Tolkien himself didn't write it. The actual context of the note says only: All the Nine Nazgul remounted (12) swoop down; but the Eagles come to give battle. The note is only Chris’s ideas on this passage, not something we should have to believe unconditionally.

Now for how it contradicts canon: The rider [the Mouth of Sauron] was robed all in black, and black was his lofty helm; yet this was no Ringwraith but a living man. Obviously ruling the Witch King out.

Soon the black cloak [of the Witch King] too lay formless and still, and a long thin wail rent the air and vanished in the distance. So, therefore his fate on Pelennor was finally decided... according to Tolkien, not his son.