I am so pleased: Heavy Spoilers

[Fatty]

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Well it appears Haldir, much reviled by myself and a few ofthers I know :grin: , pops it in TTT. The Elves are holding the outer dike and they give their lives to let the Riders retreat to the Hornburg......soudns interesting. Also Helm's Deep battle will last 45mins uninterupted apparently.......

So what do you think?

[Bonos-Girl]

45 mins..wow!!!

[Finrod Felagund]

45 min... and still be PG, I still don't understand how they are trying to market this movie to kids. The books are really violent, TTT and ROK especially. I wish they'd drop the PG, go to R and make it a REALLY good movie like Gladiator. I really like it when the blood splashes on the camera.
Also, its about time them uppity Elves got involved besides giving away trinkets and sending little guys to do their dirty work.
I always wished there was more large scale elf involvement in the books. Maybe they will do something that turns out good instead of screwing each other over
It seems like Legolas will get his wish of a few Elf bowmen at Helm's Deep
I wonder if Glorfindel will make an appearance?

[Fatty]

Well I think the main problem I have with the Elves taking part is that it runs against the whole tide of the book. they are supposed to be fading, leaving Middle-earth etc. But thats another topic. At least Haldir dies, our most unelven elf. :-)

I regards to rating, what do you mean by R, over here I think Gladiator was a 15 or a 12. they could have made LOTR a 12 maybe or 15. But they would have been hard pressed to make it into an 18, unless they made the characters use sexual swearwords and have sex scenes. :-) I mean there just is not much in the book to be offensive. Even mos to fthe baddies are "monsters" etc, no problem with spilling and showing thier blood.......I loved gladiator but I hated the way the closeup fight scenes were shot, like a mtv video, very annoying. Other than that thought it was good.

I don't think the books are that violent, nothjing is really descirbed in to much gore, except Shelob Lair, that whole scene is very meticulous in its grotesqueness (is that a word).

Sadly Glorfindel having beoing ejected by Ms Tyler does no tlook lik ehe will make a return.

[Catz]

Oooooh elf BBQ....Haldir should BBQ beautifully lol......just as long as Leggsy is fine, im ok with it....Yeah....im really not sure what the rationale behind putting the elves into Helms deep is....and like you Fatty, i dont particularly like it...but i guess i'll have to see it to see if it works in the context of the movie.....as for blood and gore....that is not what makes a good battle sequence, and isnt really neccessary.....
And a whole 45 mins?...sounds like the whole battle is in:hooray: :whoohoo:
now my only real worry is that damn Arwenp fbbt lol
:catz:

[A! Elbereth]

Wait a minute.... if just the Helm's deep battle is going to be 45 minutes... exactly how long is the movie going to be!?! I'm not sure if i can handle 45 minutes of non-stop action... I might get bored. Nah! No way! But the movie better be longer than FOTR if its going to have that long of a war sequence

[Sindarin]

A 45 minute battle sequence?! Huzah! :) :) :)

TTT must be a another 3 and a 1/2 hour to at least a 3 hour and 45 minute film.

I am most pleased with this information. :)

[Fatty]

Hmm well I hope so, this is a rumour really but with good basis. To be honest I cannot seeing th eefilm being more than 3 hours long. It would not make commercial sense........the execs would never ok it. But I would love to be proved wrong.

Think about it Moria was about 25 mins long....... alot more happens at Helm's Deep.........much of the dialogue which takes place elsewhere in the book maybe put here.

WE will try and keep you informed.........or if you find out something you can keep us informed. :-)

[Tinuviel]

Thanks for the juicy spoilers, Fatty :thumbs: :gofatty:

I'm also going "...hmmmm..." about the inclusion of the elves at Helm's Deep. Apart from the fact that the elves were suppose to be diminishing from ME ; Helm's Deep is significant as it was a fight that was solely between the "young" race of Man and the forces of evil (not expressing myself well, sorry :( )

However, i suppose for cinematic and dramatic reasons, I can see where PJ is coming from. :)

As for Haldir's death. No complains there.lol roflmao . Perhaps it was the actor that was casted, but yes, he certainly is the most unlikely elf!!! Elf BBQ roflmao catz thanks for saying it ever so elegantly lol

Considering the amount of stuff that happens at Helm's Deep,its concievable that the sequence is 45 mins.

I'm *so* rubbing my grubby paws together in *delight* at the thought that its only six months more till TTT.

[Catz]

lol glad to be of service Tinuviel :cool:
and yeah, youre right.....when you take into account how much of TTT is taken up with Helms Deep, i think 45 mins is feasible...*rubs her sweaty lil' paws in glee*:hooray: :cool:
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[Pil]

I MIGHT BE WRONG HERE PEOPLE SO DON'T FREAK OUT!!! :elfeek:

But i heard somewhere, when discussing the posssibility of being able to see all three films together in the cinema once they are all out, it was mentioned that the overall running time of the trilogy would be about 7 HOURS! Meaning that we only have four hours left - two for TTT and two for ROTK! :elfeek: :elfeek: :battle: verymad

[A! Elbereth]

WHAT!?!?! 2 HOURS EACH! NOOOOOOO WAY NO WAY NO WAY NO WAY NO WAY NO WAY NO WAY! THERES NO WAY! (maybe if I keep saying that it will go away) HOw can that be possible? If Helms deep is 45 minutes long... they cant fit whats left of the important stuff in the second book in 45 minutes!!!!!!! And the 3rd movie I cant even begin! WAY TO MUCH GOES ON IN THE 3rd BOOK TO BE SKIPPING SO MUCH! ... I dont think its true...

[Catz]

WHOA!!!!.....like Pil said, dont panic:o
the final edit of TTT is not complete yet, never mind ROTK....i think that little snippet might date from earlier on in the saga, before it was discovered that 3 hours was not an turn off to the paying public.....i really cant see them trying to stuff it all into 2 hrs, when they had such a good response to the first movie, at almost an hour longer....but....*grins*...i may be wrong too....;) :cool:
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[Pil]

I DIDN'T MEAN TO CAUSE MASS PANIC! :p

Catz is probably right! :catz: :thumbs:

[Bonos-Girl]

i hope so....

[Orc]

DEATH TO THE ELVES.

OK, so one advantage to this is we get to see elves hacked, choped, skewered etc. Oh joy!!! Life is good.

On the other side, I don't like the idea of elves (outside of Legolas of course) at Helm's deep. Just to far removed from the book.

But, on the practical side.... here's my theory. PJ needs to get Arwen into TTT to maintain the romance plot line, and she isn't in the book. Also we have yet to see Anduril. My guess is that Arwen shows up, hands over Anduril to Aragorn and the pitiful elves die by the score at the hands of the mighty Uruk-hai!. I can hardly wait....

[Pil]

I agree Orcy...S-T-R-E-T-C-H-I-N-G the story a tad too much there! lol

UR SOOOOOOOOO MEAN TO ELVES!...but i have to admit...Haldir dying will be VERY pleasing! :evil:

[Bonos-Girl]

what is it with the haldir-bashing.......you're sooooo evil

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[Catz]

because Haldir is a pillock:grin: :cool: lol
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:naughty: and Orc.....contain yourself!!!:elfeek: god.....the prospect of two or three hundred elves being offed in various inventive ways and he starts acting like a giddy school girl *shakes her head sadly* ;) lol :jester:
tho....ok....one of them is Haldir;) ....i guess a certain amount of joy is acceptable lol lol

[Bonos-Girl]

awwww......even if no-one else like him i do....not in that way.....

[A! Elbereth]

It may seem like I'm freaking out... but in my case that is just a quite conversation.... lol roflmao lol roflmao

[Pil]

FREAK OUT! LE FREAK SO CHIC! FREAK OUT! :wiggle:

[Bonos-Girl]

ok...that was weird!!! anyone else scared!!! i think now is the time to smile, and back away slowly!!!

[A! Elbereth]

lol roflmao lol roflmao lol roflmao lol

[Pil]

*in insane babbling voice*

"Come closer my prettys...he he he he he...." :witch:

[Illuvatar]

Here's the topic folks......

Well it appears Haldir, much reviled by myself and a few ofthers I know , pops it in TTT. The Elves are holding the outer dike and they give their lives to let the Riders retreat to the Hornburg......soudns interesting. Also Helm's Deep battle will last 45mins uninterupted apparently.......

So what do you think?

[Finrod Felagund]

Everybody's saying that the elves being at HD goes against the grain of them diminishing in ME, Maybe they want to go out with a bang instead of a wimper. I always thought they were a bunch of weenies and elitists for not getting more involved. Yeah for the Elves not being weenies holed up in their tree forts throwing water baloons at the uncool, unwanted neighbors on the ground who don't know the secret password to get into the clubhouse...

Maybe something in my childhood surfacing... I don't know...*shrug*

[Nessa]

Hmmmm......
Well, I don't completely mind the idea of elves fighting and even dying, but I really never wanted to see movie Haldir EVER again, not even his death. Sigh, Haldir in the book, a decent elf. Haldir in the movie, a nance. How nice. ;)

[Ronin]

Lets not forget, that just as the moria sequence went by like that *trys to snap fingers, failing miserably* so is Helm's Deep. with the large inclusion of dialogue, intercuts of plot, and lots and lots of action (and the glorious execution...err...distinguished death of Haldir) Helm's Deep will end before it began. of course, just requiring more and more viewings ;)

[Melkor]

Originally posted by Fatty


I don't think the books are that violent, nothjing is really descirbed in to much gore, except Shelob Lair, that whole scene is very meticulous in its grotesqueness (is that a word).




I must say, I think you forgot about the "head throwing" into Minas Tirith! And Denethor setting himself on fire!:thumbs:

[Pil]

I agree Melkor...i think its a very bloody book...you can not have battles without that kind of death and carnage going on. :mmmm:

[A! Elbereth]

I was so caught up in the book that when I read the 'head throwing' part my mouth dropped wide open! I could picture it so well - icky nasty... but I kinda want to see that in the movie!

[Nessa]

Yes, there are a few gruesome incidents.

I seem to recall an orc licking blood off a blade, I don't think I want to see that.....

[A! Elbereth]

lol yes that is just plain WRONG! :elfeek:

[Pil]

Oh yeah! At Cirith Ungol! I think that showing that will really show up the orcs! lol :angry: :evil:

[legolaslover]

I don't like some of the changes that htere will be but this one sounds okay.

[ArwenLiz]

Some ppl were talking earlier about the problem of Helm's Deep being 45 minutes and not allowing for all of the other aspects of the book being shown.

I don't have a problem with TTT because apparently it will end before they get to Shelob's Lair...however...that just crams more into ROTK. I know that the Scouring of the Shire won't be shown...but still, that's a heck of a lot to pack into one movie! It's just...insane! :huh:

ArwenLiz

DOWN WITH HALDIR!...too bad...I really liked him in the book.

[Nessa]

Forty five minutes of pure battle seems incredibly unlikely.... but who knows?

I've heard rumors (dear Lord, so many rumors :rolleyes: ) about PJ wanting three and half hours or so for Rotk....

All I can say about that is go PJ!!! :gofatty:

[Miruvor]

I thought the beauty of Helms Deep was the succinctness and the detail (the strategems, the Orc count competition, the retreat to the caves, what each individual was up to). It was perfectly palatable in the book for a pacifist like me. I think 45 minutes in movie form may threaten to obscure much of that detail with mindless gore. But, that's what audiences expect these days, I guess.
But to be contrary, I loved Black Hawk Down (and less, Saving Private Ryan) precisely for it's nearly exhausting detail and real-time action. But that's because, to me, it was a good testimony
against the glorification of war, by letting you live the reality of it, until you can't stand the horror anymore.

As for the Elves. On a practical note, if they are immortal, it would be stupid for them to waste their lives in war. Relatively, Men would be the weeds who would die soon anyway, and are prolific and expendable, while Elves would be roses, or a hundred year old oaks, that you would think twice before destroying needlessly.

[TheRingBearer]

45 minutes of non stop action.
I struggle to find its weakness
:knight: :battle: :naughty: ;)

[Catz]

heheh.....and i dont think itll be 45 minutes of mindless gore....theres a lot going on...not just the action, but character development too....tis one thing to read it, another altogether in real time.....i do think its gonna be very, very cool:cool: lol
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[A! Elbereth]

To tell you the truth, I got quite bored at helm's deep... dont know why - just not a battle person. But the Pele(whatever) war was great - very suspenseful

[TheRingBearer]

Helm's Deep should be great and like you said Catz, I hope they develop the Gimli - Legolas relationship during the fight with that game they played about who kills the most orcs or something ;)

[Undomiel]

45 mins non stop-sounds too gud 2 be true!:)

I have heard though that the film will run for 2hrs 43mins so that leaves plenty of time 4 lots of other stuff 2 happen. they'd better not cut it down ne more than that!!!!!

[Gowpon]

Awesome!
I know PJ will make the battle full of action!!!
Trust him! It'll not be boring!!

[jediguy]

Originally posted by Pil
...it was mentioned that the overall running time of the trilogy would be about 7 HOURS! Meaning that we only have four hours left - two for TTT and two for ROTK! :elfeek: :elfeek: :battle: verymad
Actually, I was hearing that the total running time for all three movies is 10 hours, which leaves plenty of time for TTT and RoTK. Besides, I don't think Mr. Jackson would make the last two movies the shortest.

[Narsil's weilder]

That scene will be so badass. With all the technology going into that short sequence at the battle on the slopes of Mt. Doom I can't wait to see the 45 minute Helm's deep.

[shinjo]

Wow, I have heard this but never was exactly certain. This will be neat to see, but sad. mecry

[Dernhelm]

I think that is going to be 45 minutes that will rock da house! That ultra-grim look on Aragorn's face alone should have been enough warning to any right-minded orc to find anywhere else to be but there!

As for the length of the last movie, I would not be surpised if ROTK is a 3 and 1/2 hour movie.

[Undomiel]

It has to be sed that 3 hours plus of ROTK wud be absolutley amazing. I reckon after FOTR has done so well that the New Line ppl wont be so bothered about length in TTT and ROTK. I hope so neway.

[Lady Ashley]

I wouldn't mind sitting thru 45 mins of H's D. After all, the actual attack of Pearl Harbor in "Pearl Harbor" lasted at last that long...well, yeah, you would get slightly bored of non-stop action...but not the first time. The first time you're riveted on the film, not wanting to miss a moment of it.

[Pil]

I LOVE pearl harbour's non-stop action...it keeps me crying for 45 mins for god sakes. If lotr manages to do that too then hats off to them!

PLus...I WANT A 10 HOUR ROTK!!!!!!!!!!!!! verymad :( :blush:

[Lady Melody]

If you asked me, even overall 10 hours is TOO SHORT. I mean, the book is what, 1000 pages whole and you can't just squeeze 'em into 10 hours of show! Even the first movie is too darn short for my tastes, and I mean it! Each movie should've have 4 hours each, now that'd be cool! But anyways... the movie is cool enough, and I heard that TTT will concentrate more on the character's relationships so this will be good enough I suppose. I guess most of you movie-goers never even read the whole LOTR triology and caught the Tom Bombadill (sorry about the spelling or something) cut and a lot of them snipped short from the first book... *sighs* Well... about the ratings, screw 'em, just GIMME THE GOODS...and MAKE IT GOOD!

[Pil]

Originally posted by ChibiMelody
GIMME THE GOODS...and MAKE IT GOOD!

:thumbs: Welcome ChibiMelody! :beer:

I share your view entirely! :)

[Bonos-Girl]

what would be really cool would be if each cinema had a 3hr a 4 hr and a 5hr film so they could show different lengths on different screens and everyone would be happy...cept it would cost loads for all those films....

[Undomiel]

yeah but that is such a gud idea-i wish that was actually gnna happen