Who has the best emotive facial expression relevant to the situation?

[Windwater Elf]

Which actor has the best emotive facial expression relevant to the situation?

This means whether his facial expressions always show the type of situations he is in, for example when he is in a stressful situation, does his face show it - Legolas' facial expression during the argument with Aragorn in the Helm's Deep armoury is one example.

Please state whom you have voted for. I have voted for the first option. Both Frodo and Sam really display difficult and emotional facial expressions all throughout The Two Towers.

[Bonos-Girl]

thats a really random question..not sure who to vote for thouigh....ill think about it and come back...

[Grima Wormtongue]

id say legolas, i mean, hell, those faces he makes when people die, since he doesnt much understand death being immortal, its amazing. frodo does pretty good, as does gollum, but ima have to say legolas overall

[TheRingBearer]

Don't know about Sam but Frodo definetley. It's all in the eyes ;)
We really haven't seen very much of Faramir so I wouldn't say him although Aragorn and Legolas can be quite good.

[Brego]

OMG! it has to be Pippin's face when Treesbeard comes alive and he has a hold of his nose the expression is exellent makes me howel with laughter. Billy Boyd Rocks ;)

[Galadriel]

Umm hmm. I thought thta Frodo did great experssions thoughout the whole film. Sam was also really good. Although Legolas was really good when it came to dead and such.

[ImDaMom]

Although it was in FOTR, think about Aragorn's face as he talks to Boromir as B dies. The sadness, grief and loss come out so clearly in Aragorn's eyes, that it really tells you all that you need to know about the character. In TTT, the anger in Aragorn's voice, and physical expressions when they come across the pile of burned orcs, and his face as he re-creates what he thinks are the hobbits' last moments, as well as the scene when he first sees Gandalf, or when he convinves Theoden to ride out, or when he sees the Uruk army massing....I could go on. As much as I love Elijah Wood's talents, I have to go with Viggo.

[Galadriel]

I vote for them all lol

[Enelya]

i think, Legolas, when Boromir dies. that face is so full of confusion and grief. its so sad. mecry also Aragorn's face at Helms Deep when Haldir dies.

[Celebrían]

I voted for the "other" option, although I couldn't pick just one character. When it comes to facial expressions, one of my favorite scenes is the scene in Fangorn when Gandalf reveals himself to the three hunters. The reactions of all three of them were perfect.

Also, Legolas when he sees death. It's really mindblowing to me to see the reaction of someone who has never encountered death before. Wow.

Finally Haldir's expression in his death scene. It just rips my heart out, as he looks around and sees his fellow kinsmen dead before him, knowing that he himself is about to die (and finding out what death feels like). Great expression.

[Enelya]

i cried when Haldir was killed. because elves don't know what death is really.mecry it made me so sad

[Nessa]

I voted for Frodo and Sam, a tough call over Gollum...... I wish someone would vote for him so I would feel less guilty. :grin: But really, I don't think anything beats the barely supressed rage in Frodo's face, almost behind his face, if you know what I mean, when he yells at Sam in the marshes, or Sam's hurt expression in the same scene. Wow. ;)

[Periantari Andruil]

I voted for other, and the first person i thought of was Merry...
The expressions i think of at first are the expressions he has when Boromir gets struck by arrows in the "Breaking of the Fellowship"... and also all his expressions of worry when Frodo was stabbed with the Morgul Blade... i think Dom's a good actor...

although overall i think every actor/actress did well... everyone showed emotion...

the best emotion scenes were when Gandalf dies and everyone's grieving in Dimrill Dale and also the Boromir death speech and dialogue with Aragorn were good scenes as well as emotional scenes where the actors really did well in portraying the pain that associates with death...

[Celebrían]

All of the expressions were great! I've read what everybody says, and I agree with all of it! Gosh, talking about all of these great scenes makes me want to see both movies all over again!

And Enelya, totally agree! When Legolas sees Boromir....oh! GREAT acting (as well as Aragorn talking with Boromir as he dies) that expression just rips your heart out! mecry

[Grima Wormtongue]

i was thinking over the movie and one part that always got to me was the end of FOTR when frodo is taking to sam about him going with frodo. and also at the end of TTT when frodo talks of samwise the brave. elijah has some really wonderful expression, his eyes are amazing. alot of stuff he did, especially when he was sad or being tempted but he ring made me want to cry.

[Lady of the Rings]

I voted the 'other' option because I could'nt just choose one character. I'd have to say both Aragorn and Legolas had great expressions, especially in Boromir's death scene :thumbs:

[Gwaihir]

I would've liked to have voted for both Frodo&Sam and Gollum, but I could only vote for one. :( Frodo and Sam's expressions are very good, and they really looked desperate. Gollum, his CG is so good he looks almost completely natural! I actually like Gollum. I pity him. I love the part where he hits the fish against the rock while singing! lol

[Windwater Elf]

In fact, all the actors have performed in their roles very well. I also admire Miranda Otto's Eowyn who has a wide range of expressions as well. Note her expressions in these scenes:-
a) when she was smiling at Aragorn after the Gimli-falling-off-the-horse-scene.
b) her expression upon hearing of Aragorn's death, as if she was thinking that perhaps if she was at the warg-attack scene, she could have saved Aragorn.
c) her look of pain and disappointment when she saw Aragorn's expression upon his return when he received Arwen's gift from Legolas.
I wanted to vote Eowyn but then we can only vote once and I have already chosen the first option above.

[Celebrían]

Originally posted by Windwater Elf
In fact, all the actors have performed in their roles very well. I also admire Miranda Otto's Eowyn who has a wide range of expressions as well. Note her expressions in these scenes:-
a) when she was smiling at Aragorn after the Gimli-falling-off-the-horse-scene.
b) her expression upon hearing of Aragorn's death, as if she was thinking that perhaps if she was at the warg-attack scene, she could have saved Aragorn.
c) her look of pain and disappointment when she saw Aragorn's expression upon his return when he received Arwen's gift from Legolas.
I wanted to vote Eowyn but then we can only vote once and I have already chosen the first option above.

When did she ever look disappointed? I don't remember that, but I could have misunderstood her expression.... ;)

[ImDaMom]

I'm not sure if disappointed is the way I saw it. More like the realization that he is still holding on to his love of the elf. At the end, when they do embrace, its almost like she knows this is a one shot deal, better enjoy it while it lasts. (as we all would :blush:

[Celebrían]

Hmm, that's a good way of looking at it. :)

[Eowyn]

I liked Gandalf when he did the whole ' you wouldn't deprive an old man of his walking stick now would you?' okay I thought it was good.
merry and pippin also good (frodo - elijah wood should be shot he annoyed me!)

[Celebrían]

Yeah, that exchange between Gandalf and Aragorn is priceless! :thumbs:

[Elleth]

I picked none of the above. I thought all the actors did an awesome job with their expressions.

[ImDaMom]

Eowyn- what, exactly, annoyed you about Frodo/Elijah? I'm not necessarily disagreeing, in fact, I may agree in parts. I'm just wondering what it is that you saw?

[Elf angel]

Frodo ...he's quite a good actor...but my vote definitely Legolas..man..did you see his facial expression when in Fangorn Forest? He was like confused and trying to understand the trees...the argument he had with Aragorn..oh and the death scene..priceless..man every scene was great acting:thumbs:

[Rumil]

Well no surprise from me, I voted Gollum principally for his argument with Smeagol and when Frodo first calls him Smeagol and he does the line 'that was my name' - the change in his face is amazing - his face throughout was superb ... but then again I would say that ;)

[Eowyn]

Originally posted by imdamom55
Eowyn- what, exactly, annoyed you about Frodo/Elijah? I'm not necessarily disagreeing, in fact, I may agree in parts. I'm just wondering what it is that you saw? I'm not entirely sure...I just felt throughout the whole film that I wanted to smack him round the head. I think there's bits they've changed, like the nazgul confrontation, which I really didn't like. I'll try to figure out exactly what it is next time I see it!

[ImDaMom]

I'll be honest, I liked movie Frodo better than book Frodo, because in reading the book there WERE times I wanted to smack him upside the head too

[Sindarin]

I voted for "other", since I believe Legolas gives the best facial expressions in every situation. :thumbs:

[Rumil]

That may be true Sindarin, but the problem is that it is the same facial expression in every situation lol (JK before i am trouted to death)

[Windwater Elf]

on Eowyn's expression - yes, she was disappointed all right. Disappointed because she knows that Aragorn can never love her.

on Legolas - his expressions are different all the time. One has to look very carefully.;)

[Eowyn]

of course ;)

[Lasgalen]

Originally posted by Celebrían

Finally Haldir's expression in his death scene. It just rips my heart out, as he looks around and sees his fellow kinsmen dead before him, knowing that he himself is about to die (and finding out what death feels like). Great expression.
I agree. This has got to be one of the all time best death scenes. I was on the verge of tears each time I watched it.

I also like the look Legolas gives Aragorn with that whole 'your late, you look terrible' thing.

As far as death and Elves go. They have lots of experience with death. Legolas lost his grandfather in the Last Alliance battle. He witnessed death in the Battle of 5 Armies. Maybe that is why he looks the way he does at Boromir's death because he understands it all too well.

-Lasgalen

[ImDaMom]

Personally (and dont trout me for this) I thought Legolas looked more constipated than sad...maybe the elves have this problem when confronted by death :)

[Winyaél Greenleaf]

But in the cast commentary for dvd ext fotr, Orli said he tried to bring out the confusion in his eyes (for Boromir death scene and Gandalf's death) because elves hardly witness death.
I voted for Frodo and Sam, but I like Legolas' expression when he says 'you're late. you look terrible'.

[legolastheawesome]

I voted for Frodo and Sam, because they need lots of painful expressions before everything gets better...:I

[Frodo's Love]

I voted for Frodo and Sam also.

[Celebrían]

Originally posted by Winyaél Greenleaf
But in the cast commentary for dvd ext fotr, Orli said he tried to bring out the confusion in his eyes (for Boromir death scene and Gandalf's death) because elves hardly witness death.
I voted for Frodo and Sam, but I like Legolas' expression when he says 'you're late. you look terrible'.

Yes, yes! Thank you for saying this! It was a look of confusion that Legolas had on his face. I thought it was so moving and poignant to know that he had not had much experience with death. It's a great scene.

[Winyaél Greenleaf]

Yes, I loved that too. One of the leggy calendar cards that I purchased had him with that beautiful expression. lol

[Celebrían]

Ah......niiiiice. ;)

[Lady Coralie]

Hey Indamom55 LOL That was too funny mate!

For my money..Haldir's look on his face as he was dying did it for me. You could see he felt the mortal blow to his body, and then the despair at seeing the dead elves and then his own passing...Sob!

[Celebrían]

Originally posted by LadyCoralie
Hey Indamom55 LOL That was too funny mate!

For my money..Haldir's look on his face as he was dying did it for me. You could see he felt the mortal blow to his body, and then the despair at seeing the dead elves and then his own passing...Sob!

Okay, this says it better than I tried to awhile back. You took the words right out of my mouth! :thumbs: Haldir's expression is like an arrow through my heart...

[Lady Coralie]

Yeah... I reckon Craig Parker did an excellent job of acting there mate!

[Celebrían]

He surely did, mate! :thumbs: That scene played with my emotions more than any scene I think I've ever seen. Excellent.

[Aragorn's Hope]

Aragorn did a great job in all his scenes. :loveyou: :aragorn:

[Itarilde Telrunya]

Frodo must have been the best for me, with the look he has just after Gandalf's death, when he's looking away and then slowly turns to Aragorn. That has to be one of the saddest looks in movie history.
Close behind is Pippin as the orcs are shooting Boromir, then Legolas after Gandalf dies.

[Jedi]

I vote for Gandalf.

Two classics.

(from EE)Travelling to Edoras, Gandalf when Aragorn tells him Sam went with Frodo. His eyes widen, and a slight smile, "Good. Yes, very good."

At Edoras, Gandalf enters Theoden's Halls, with his staff after some fast talking, a hint of a wink to Legolas. It says to the elve, Got it under control.

Both great touches by Sir Ian, proving that in these roles it has to be an RSC actor.

[Mouth Of Sauron]

Although it was in FOTR, think about Aragorn's face as he talks to Boromir as B dies. The sadness, grief and loss come out so clearly in Aragorn's eyes, that it really tells you all that you need to know about the character. In TTT, the anger in Aragorn's voice, and physical expressions when they come across the pile of burned orcs, and his face as he re-creates what he thinks are the hobbits' last moments, as well as the scene when he first sees Gandalf, or when he convinves Theoden to ride out, or when he sees the Uruk army massing....I could go on. As much as I love Elijah Wood's talents, I have to go with Viggo.

I agree with you 100% :grin:

[TarmicosElgrogAlandi]

How can David only have 2 votes?! it's insane, how can you not think he is one of the best actors in the world after whatching TTT EE? it's not possible, the beauty of the flashback scene, how he manages to look like a two year old with stubble, brings tears to my eyes thinking about it.

Frodo does suit the situation, but his situation never changes, it's always impending doom.

[WaMoZ]

I voted for Gollum. There's something about his pathetically desperate personally which grips you and doesn't let go. In the book, I have very little sympathy for him, I think because when I read the book I see him through Sam's eyes, somehow. But in the movie I swing back and forth between Frodo's and Sam's opinions of him, due to the wonderful efforts of Andy Serkis and the CGI team in bringing him to life.

[Aragorn's Hope]

I voted for Aragorn. I love the smile he has when Legolas tells him he is sorry for fighting with him. You can tell at a glance who Aragorn's best friends are. Just by a light tough of the shoulder or his smile the friendships become all the more real to me so that is why I pick Aragorn. :grin: Aragorn Rules!!!!!

[Lady Luthien]

Definately Aragorn. I don't think I've seen an actor do a better job at conveying emotions than Viggo did. He gets so into his character that it essentially becomes a part of him, like a second nature. Every move he makes, every word he utters, every shift of his eyes is in character and conveys the intended emotion 100%. His talent is so great that it almost scares me :p Esp. when he gets off of the ship with the army of the dead behind him...the look on his face is phenomenal...one of utter determination and strength. And especially, as IDM mentioned, in Boromir's death scene...there was a slight undertone of weariness in his expression(understandably so, he had just fought in a battle :p) and the tears in his eyes were JUST about to spill over the brim, but his inner strength kept them in. He look concerned, but not overly so. There was still that hint of majesty and persistance. GAH he's just PERFECT!! :grin:

[Aragorn's Hope]

I wish Aragorn could be here and help our family! :( The yell he did when he kicked that helmt! :o Wow!!!!!! Poor Viggo was acttly hurt in that scene too and they didn't know it until after the takes! I don't know how he didn't cry! That man is totally brave! I humblely notworthy to My brother My captain My King!!!!!

[Amithrellas]

I think Viggo has an incredible range -- which made him the perfect :aragorn:.
I've seen him look like a vagabond, a king, a warrior, a lover...
He looks as comfortable reading a book in Rivendell as weilding a sword and leading the charge in Helm's Deep :battle:.
He's a horse whisperer in Rohan and hacking off Orc heads on the Pelennor.
In each incarnation, I find him completely credible. His face & eyes are remarkable :loveyou:

[Lady Arwen]

i voted for :aragorn: and the reasons....well....where shall i begin from??
1)in those Aragorn&Arwen scenes he is just amazing at showing his weak side which he is always so hiding from others but not from Arwen cos he knows he can trust her...and his eyes are worth more than 1000 words.
2)Boromir's death scene..enuff said by the others
3)in TTT since its a TTT thread...well...when he hears from Eomer that Merry and Pip might be dead, when he tells Haleth son of Hama that there is always hope, (well also when he has to eat that awful stew by Eowyn...it mite sound silly but well...his eyes say quite a lot there as well!), when he says "then i shall die as one of them", durin Helms Deep when he is givin orders to the Elves...he looks just so angry and fierce
4)in ROTK when Elrond gives him Anduril, when as Lady Luthien said he gets off the ship with the army of the dead, at the coronation, when he sees Arwen, when he says "My friends, bow to no one" ....

ok i think id better stop now but there are more and more scenes id like to point out but i dont want to get you ppl beggin me to stop that!lol!!i think i mite go on till tomoro and list just any single :aragorn: scene!

[Charmander]

I agree that Viggo has very emotive eyes, but I have to give ups to Elijah and also Miranda - but more in ROTK than TT for both of them. Sean Astin is great, but I find his total delivery to be highly emotive, not particularly his eyes.

Lady Arwen has hit some of the best Viggo scenes - my favourite, for both Viggo and Miranda, is the scene where Aragorn is leaving for the Pathes of the Dead - that scene gets me every time. That look on her face, and then his response - I need to not go there now, I'm at work - people already think I'm a little crazy because of all my LOTR stuff! Also, the scene where Theoden is dying - I know this is Two Towers - so I'll also shout out to the scene where Theoden becomes himself again and Theodred's funeral - both those scenes are done wonderfully by Miranada - I know in the commentary Bernard Hill said that Miranda had everyone tearful all day with her performance at the wake - can you imagine, all her lines are in old English! Big ups!

[ImDaMom]

I agree with props to Miranda's work, but I must go with Viggo- those eyes! Especially the scene with Miranda leaving for PotD....you can TELL his heart is breaking knowing that he's breaking hers. But, in TT, the scene with Haleth- and a special mention of the scene inside the castle, as he's getting Theoden to "ride out with me"- there's such determination, knowing it could be suicidal, but brave.

[Lady Arwen]

*slaps herself on forehead*....the "ride out with me" scene....how could i forget that one?????and when he looks right at Theoden drawing that breath as if to say "ok let's go no matter what the end will be"...!

Elijah's eyes are amazing too and Miranda's as well...i only have a problem with her character(=I cant appreciate Eowyn enough but it has nothing to do with Miranda, this happens also with the books' Eowyn) but she is a great actress and acted very well!!

but also Liv was great...in that scene when Aragorn is tryin to give back the Evenstar...or in the flashback scene as she tells him that his road is laid before his feet....she just shows all the strenght she wants to give him to help him to go on....

[Lady Galadriel]

I voted for Aragorn...but if it was best expression/emotion in terms of eyes...Frodo, hands down...**looks for Cassandria** Elijah's eyes convey so much of his feelings its unbelievable.

[ImDaMom]

But they're probably the biggest eyes of the cast!! lol (and the most amazing color, too). My only problem is that Elijah seems to rely too much on the eyes in this film. Watch Eternal Sunshine- the boy can act without using his eyes for every emotion, and I think he should have done more in LOTR without depending on his eyes.

[Lady Galadriel]

I see what you mean. However, I think it was appropriate for Frodo to use his eyes to convey his emotions since I believe that essentially he could not talk about his inner turmoils with anyone. To a certain point the ring made him paranoid and he internalized his emotions and mistrust everyone.

It is not until TTT or RotK that he openly admitted that the ring is taking a hold of him. Before that, it was silence.

[Cassandria]

I voted for Aragorn...but if it was best expression/emotion in terms of eyes...Frodo, hands down...**looks for Cassandria** Elijah's eyes convey so much of his feelings its unbelievable..

Hiya! :) I agree with you 100 percent, but I think it was more evident in RotK and FotR than TTT. Well except for the scenes with Faramir. :)

I see what you mean. However, I think it was appropriate for Frodo to use his eyes to convey his emotions since I believe that essentially he could not talk about his inner turmoils with anyone. To a certain point the ring made him paranoid and he internalized his emotions and mistrust everyone.

It is not until TTT or RotK that he openly admitted that the ring is taking a hold of him. Before that, it was silence.

Again, I agree with you Lady G. :) It was difficult to get across the impact of the ring without words, but he pulled it off using his facial expressions. Elijah has tremendous talent and I agree with you too IDM he does use his eyes alot, but PJ said in one of the documentaries that he encouraged Elijah to do that. To me it's one of the best parts of the movies! :thumbs:

[Lady Galadriel]

lol...Cassandria is here. Okay, I thought about this some more and I really think it was appropriate for Frodo to use his eyes to convey his feelings. He never really spoke about his feelings and we, as the audience/viewers, needed to understand his feelings. But I think Galadriel said it best, "You are a ringbearer Frodo. To bear a ring of power is to be alone." :grin:

[Cassandria]

Yes, he was incredibly alone. Remember Gandalfs warning just before they got to Moria about not being able to trust from within the Fellowship? Then Frodo's words, "Who shall I trust then?" :(

[Lady Arwen]

i completely agree with all that has been said about Frodo's eyes by Lady G and Cassandria but just realised...even if its not TTT but ROTK...what about Eldarion's look at his mother??i know its just a tiny little scene but i was shocked by how much that little boy could say with that single look!

[Cassandria]

Yes Lady Arwen I agree, that look stirs alot of emotion!

One other little expression was so powerful it makes me shed tears everytime I see it...in the funeral scene for Theodred, there is a woman standing behind Eowyn as she sings. The woman is mouthing the words along with her and crying. I guess the thought of loosing a child also helps move me, but when I see someone crying like that, I kinda loose it. :(

[Lady Arwen]

oh i will have to look better for that scene Cassandria but i know what you mean...everytime i see someone crying i just lose it and cry as well....and here we go again....want a tissue??? ;)

glad you agree about Eldarion's look...i just cried so much there (ok so any doubt that i cried???lol!)

[Lady Galadriel]

lol We must join the "teary eyed club." I cried throughout spiderman 2. My girlfriend was looking at me like I was crazy. I am like you guys...I cry when anyone is crying...if their acting convinces me. I am always crying with Lifetime movies. lol

I also bawled when Theoden was crying... lol

[Lady Arwen]

lol!we really should Lady Gal!lol!!!we'd be members number 1!Lol!!!

oh yes...poor Theoden...you know what tho?i would have loved to see more of his father-son relationship with Merry...in the books it really really moved me ... oh gosh..then maybe better if they didnt put it in the films or who knows how many other tears id have shed!lol!

[Charmander]

Lady Arwen, I think we will see at least a little bit more of Theoden and Merry in the ROTK EE - which is exactly two months away!

And I am so with everyone in the crying group!! I cried during Spiderman 2 also!! Especially when Aunt May was giving him his birthday money! I cry at the drop of the hat! I could barely get through Finding Nemo! Of course I cry throughout ROTK! Every time some one else cries I start going - like when Frodo sends Sam away, I try not to watch so I don't start crying - it rarely works!

[Lady Arwen]

omg you know where i gave my best at mecry??? watching Koda Brother Bear!!!lol!!it was ages since i last watched a cartoon since i dont really like these new ones they have now but this one was just tooooo much for me!!!

anyways...yeah i know they will put at least Merry offerin his services to Rohan and i so wish for it!!

oh when Frodo sends Sam away....mecry....and when Frodo smiles at the end while on the ship.....oh pls stop me!!!

[Charmander]

I just read at theonering.net that Dom was on some news show and they showed the clip - if we wait long enough it'll probably appear somewhere!

I feel you with the crying - I can't remember the last movie I went to and didn't cry - I think I even teared up at the Village!

[Lady Arwen]

haha!yeah we are terrible!i bet our cinemas have our pics so nxt time they will give us a tissue box!!!lol!!

[Nowayout]

I think they are all really good. Here are a couple exaples I can think of.

Aragorn: Boromir's death, The fight scenes and When he fights with Legolas

Legolas: Gandalf's death scene, Aragorn's death scene and Boromir's death scene

Boromir: sword fighting with Merry and Pippin, seeing the Balrog and His death scene

[ImDaMom]

Welcome, Nowayout! While not in TT, my one of my favorites was as Gandalf falls, Aragorn's face! You can tell he refuses to accept the death of his long time friend and mentor- he doesn't turn away, and keeps watching in disbelief!

[Charmander]

haha!yeah we are terrible!i bet our cinemas have our pics so nxt time they will give us a tissue box!!!lol!!
Now when I go to the movies I always make sure that I have some kleenex, or it could turn out badly!

[Lady Arwen]

well i think im a lost case now...this mornin on the bus while listenin to ROTK soundtrack i began feelin like cryin (but i managed not to..but still i knew i was lookin sooo sad and weird!Lol)in the same parts i feel like cryin (and actually cry)durin the film....in the meanwhile i remember i was also readin FOTR (for the second time in less than 6 months....insane i know!)and some passage got me sad...dont remember wot tho since i was really at teh beginnin of hte book like the prologue!!!!)!!!

oh gosh IDM i so agree about Aragorn's face when Gandalf falls in Moria...mecry

[Lady Galadriel]

How about how sad Gollum looked when Frodo said, "What are we fighting for?" in TTT. He looked so sad, if only for that moment. :(

[Lady Arwen]

Granny....i know you are old and all but...Frodo says "what are we HOLDING ON to?!"lol!!!!!well maybe this means that u still have hopes of healing while im completely lost then!
anyway i know wot you mean and yes he really looks sad and even pitiable even if you know wot is goin to happen later and wot he is goin to do!

[Charmander]

You know who's eyes I really like in that scene - Gollum. Such a pitiable state he's in and it only gets worse - even though his eyes aren't really, they are equally emotive.

[Lady Arwen]

oh yes...for cg eyes they are realllly intense!

[Charmander]

And their done so well - I mean, I love Dory's eyes in Finding Nemo, but Gollum just goes from one extreme to the other - the WETA folks really outdid themselves! I especially love when Gollum brings the fish to Frodo - you can see he's so pleased with himself - I love it! And am yet also disturbed by it...

[Lady Arwen]

oh yes...when he brings the two rabbits you mean?i just love that bit...even tho its disgusting but i love that little argument he has with Sam about the tatoes and all!lol!

[Charmander]

My favourite though is when I read the scene - and I can picture Gollum being really careful with those two pots, trying not to drop any water - WETA gave us so much to work with I don't have to watch the movies quite as much! I love the taters too, that is too funny! But when I see the beginning of ROTK it makes me sad, because I realize that he probably can't remember them, not that he doesn't know them :(

[Lady Arwen]

oh yes the beginnin of ROTK is disgusting and sad too cos you think about what this creature had to go through cos of the ring!!
i also pity Gollum a lot when he is in the Forbidden Pool singin that So juicy sweet song...

[Charmander]

I pity him even more when Frodo goes down to him and then the Rangers ambush him and then he goes a little crazy - it makes me really sad. I mean, he has little rational for right and wrong and he doesn't understand what's happening - it's like watching someone with Alzheimers - you know, I'm not always a downer, but all these posts today have been really sad...thank God I have class tonight, the only thing sad about that is that my eyes are usually half open!

[Lady Arwen]

gosh really we've been just depressing today!!!!!tryin to think about a happy scene now...im thinkin very hard...oh sure....A/A in ROTK...their eyes even if teary are just pure happiness!!!i love them sooooo!!!ohh good luck with your class then!

[Lady Galadriel]

Granny....i know you are old and all but...Frodo says "what are we HOLDING ON to?!"lol!!!!!well maybe this means that u still have hopes of healing while im completely lost then!


lol Yeah, well I cant say that I have watched TTT as many times as you. pfbbt lol But Gollum looked so sad it almost broke my heart. I could have sworn I saw some tears in those large eyes of his. :rolleyes: Oh, have you ever really listened to Gollum's Song? Its sad, eh? :(

[Cassandria]

Oh I love Gollum's Song Lady G!!! :) It's so different and brings out so much emotion! :)

The look on Gollum's face in that scene you are speaking of seemed to me that he would have forgiven Sam and Frodo. But I guess the Gollum in him wouldn't have let Smeagol come out at that point. :(

My very favorite Smeagol expression was in the river when he was trying to catch the fish and Frodo asked Sam "why do you put him down". That goofy little grin he gets when the camera switches over to him. lol I wish I could find that picture somewhere for my collection. :(

[Lady Galadriel]

Yeah...that scene inspired mixed feelings for me. I mean, I know Gollum is a villian and all...but I really pitied him. In a way also, I pity Gollum more so than Smeagol...because Smeagol was the one who coveted the ring and ultimately committed murder ...but then again, that ring is so evil...

What about that look in his eyes when Frodo called him Smeagol for the first time. mecry...he actually had a soul...

I thought Gollum's Song was successful in its intention. Its very reflective of what I truly believe Gollum felt ....its melancholy and remorseful...mecry...its enough to drive happiness away too...and the artist was fantastic.

[Charmander]

I thought that song was almost perfect for the movie - the only reason I say almost is because Gollum is really only part of the story - I like May It Be better - also, there's elvish in it - and I think that's really cool :)! But Gollum's song does have the right effect for the character - and no matter how much I don't like Gollum being so evil, I always think that he's totally bipolar so he can't be totally held responsible for his actions.

[Lady Galadriel]

Ah! Gollum is indeed evil but it is complicated. I have not read the book in two years (and I have only read it once) so I cannot remember if the movie was faithful to the book in portraying Gollum. But moviewise, when Frodo showed him kindness, he was susceptible to it. At least that shows that some where in his depraved soul, there was still a connection to humanity...there was still some kind of frailty…he was not completely hardened.

[Charmander]

I've read it way too many times - I just read it again and as far as I can remember the kindness of Frodo is what brings Gollum to be more Smeagol. But there isn't any inner dialogue with Gollum and Smeagol, he just starts to act less evil, but the Gollum side never leaves. I do remember the Ranger incident being a turning point in the book too, because as a reader I realized that Smeagol would never come back from that affront - they played it well in the book. I almost wish that Smeagol had more of a say, but alas, the whole book would be completely different if that were the case!

[Lady Arwen]

oh i so love Gollum's song too...it just depicts the character so well and the voice of that lady is just great singin it!!
as for Gollum/Smeagol...i remember from my reading that actually he would have been more Smeagol if only Sam hadnt been so harsh to him sometimes!
and i love those eyes when Frodo calls him Smeagol for hte first time......

[Lady Galadriel]

Yes, it touched my heart string when he said, "What did you call me?" He seemed so affected. It must have been the first time since he became Gollum that anyone ever treated him with even an iota of kindness.

[Charmander]

You're right about that - in the book didn't Gandalf say that he was exiled from his family and after that never had any positive interactions with living souls - of course being consumed by the ring probably made it hard for him to discern whether people were kind or wanted to take his ring. Ah, the ugly side of obsession!

[Lady Galadriel]

Yeah...the ugly side of obsession leads to dire consequences... lol I really should be working on an analysis with a deadline for tomorrow...but obsession cannot be helped. lol

Anyway, I dont dislike Gollum at all...even with his treachery....I just cant bring myself to dislike him...even when he made Sam cry.

[Charmander]

I have a strategic audit due soon and midterms to study for, but strangely I can't find my way to the "x" on this web browser!

I understand what you mean about not disliking Gollum - it's just hard to watch him make Sam cry, and then bite Frodo's finger off and not think ill of him. But the story would be nothing without him - as Gandalf said - Gollum has some part to play whether for good or for ill.

[Lady Arwen]

oh i dont know ...sometimes i just hate :gollum: sometimes i just pity him and think how sad and desperate his story is and how one can hate him then?!...its such a complex character actually and so important as well...if it wasnt for him there would have been no ring nor anything....

oh well ... talk about obsessions!lol!!some half an hour ago i said to meself Now im goin to lay down a bit cos im just too tired but...hey wot am i doin still here????!lol!!

[Nowayout]

Loved the fish and The rabbits scene in TTT. They are just so cute! I voted for other though. Cause Boromir has lots of good expressions too. So many I can't tell you all the scenes, but one of my favorites is when he first saves Merry and Pippin from being hurt by the axe Urck. You can see the willingness not to give up on his Little ones.

[Melian]

I think that Frodo, during the whole last journey up Mt Doom is pretty amazing. Also the expression on his face when he finally succumes to the ring is great. He really does a good evil expression.

[Lady Galadriel]

oh i dont know ...sometimes i just hate :gollum: sometimes i just pity him and think how sad and desperate his story is and how one can hate him then?!...its such a complex character actually and so important as well...if it wasnt for him there would have been no ring nor anything....

I am sure that the ring would have found another sucker to do its dirty work. So, if it wasnt Gollum it would have been someoneelse.

I love the look on Frodo's face when he was hanging over that precipice. For a moment there, I actually thought that he was going to let go...Sam saw it too. Elijah did an awesome job there too. That expression was priceless. mecry

[Nowayout]

I agree Elijah did a really good job on all his scenes. I like how his eyes kinda popped outta his head when Boromir came after him. I also like the look that Sean bean had in those scenes too. They where both great in that.

[Lady Arwen]

Elijah is just soo lucky to have those beautiful big blue eyes and so expressive too....and he knows how to use them to get me mecry!!!!!
and oh gosh when he is on that precipice....... :o

[Charmander]

I agree with you for the most part Lady Arwen - but I have to admit that virtually every scene that Eowyn is in makes me mecry ! Especially in ROTK - when Aragorn asks her why she has come - and then from there on I don't see much of the scene...Actually, in TTT, when Gandalf frees Theoden from Saurman's control, and you get that shot of him taking his sword, and you see her look so happy to see her uncle again - oh, that gets me too!

[Lady Arwen]

oh...unfortunately im not a big fan of Aragorn/Eowyn scenes!!i mean...well...lovin the story between A/A i always feel like What are you doing??!!when she is around (the YOU isnt referred to her but more to Aragorn actually!!)...but i love Rohan and the Rohirric people and culture (well after all i love Ireland, the Celts, and also the Vikings and the Norse Mythology so...thats where Rohan came from after all!)and oh speakin of Theoden what about "no parent should bury their child"....i just cry all the times....and i also remember that this particular sentence was added by Bernard Hill cos it was somethin a lady who had lost her daughter in the Irish Troubles told him once....so now i mecry even more when he says that bit...
and my mother always compares this one to Denethor when he Faramir tells him "i know you wish our places had been exchanged...you wish that I had died and Boromir lived" (gosh this is a bad quote but i cant remember the rite one now!)and Denethor says "yes...I wish that"....and actually the first time i heard that GOSH i wanted to throw somethin at the screen!!!how terrible!!!!

[Nowayout]

I agree I hated Denethor all the more for that and then he makes Pippin sing which gets our favorite Hobbit crying! GGGGGGGGRRRRRR I hate Faramir's dad! I liked the song that Pippin sings though it's fitting for the scenes and it a very pretty song. It happens to be one of my favorites. :)

[Charmander]

I don't know that I hate Denethor, but I was certainly appalled at his behaviour! I mean, you've lost one son and you're rejecting the other.

Lady Arwen - I know excatly what you're talking about - it's almost the exact same lines from the book to the movie - and the look in David Wenham's eye's are just to die for! It's like he realizes that his father doesn't really love him, and I can't imagine any parent doing that to their child. I think the quote is:
"You wish now that our places had been exchanged. That I had died and Boromoir lived."

"Yes, I wish that very much"

"Well, since you are robbed of Boromir I will do what I can in his stead. If I should return, think better of me father"

"That will depend on the manner in which you return."

I think I'm pretty close - I always cry my eyes out at that part, but then I think - just wait and you'll be with Eowyn soon and it will be so much better!

[Lady Arwen]

thank you for the exact quote Charmander!!this one i could remember it in Italian but not in English!hehe!!well it s not easy to remember almost 9 hours of film both in english and in italian!lol!!!!anyways...yeah the way it goes on is even worse and i didnt want to think of it...

i know what you mean about not feelin like hatin Denethor .. its cos after all he was like that due to teh Palantir and not to himself, right?just like :gollum: after all...he was like that due to the ring...but still his behaviour is terrible!!
oh gosh the look in Faramir's eyes is heartbreaking!poor boy!he was soo nice and lovely....

aw Nowayout, i also looove Pippin!!lol!he is my fav hobbit cos...wel....im just like him!!!lol!!!i always feel sorry for him when Gandalf scolds him cos he just does the same things i do and i get the same reactions!!lol!but Gandalf did care about him after all....and Pippin did care about Gandalf (it always kills me to see taht scene outside Moria where Pippin is just soooo crying after Gandalf's fall)

[Charmander]

I always feel really sorry for Pippin when everyone treats him like a nothing, yet he plays an important role in the book. Without him, we Faramir/Eowyn fans would have to become A/A fans! Not that it would be bad... Whenever I watch that scene where they get out of Moria, it's when I see all the characters cry that I start crying! When Gandalf actually falls I'm always a little surprised - for whatever reason, I know what's going to happen :)

I think the book gives Denethor a better shake, I will be anxious to see his extended scenes.

[Lady Arwen]

lol!!well trust me many E/F fans would never become A/A fans!!lol!!but anyway your rite...without Pippin there would be no more Faramir...he is really important dear aul Pip!lol!!

and i agree about the book's Denethor...he's beter explained...i mean you realise what's wrong with him while in teh film you just think Ok this man has completely lost it!

[Lady Galadriel]

Whew! I have missed so much. I am sorry you guys, but I like Denethor. But then again, I hardly dislike any of the characters. Denethor's treatment of Faramir was unfortunate of course, but he did love him. Poor sole probably didnt realize that he was treating Faramir the same way his father probably treated him.

I mean, when he said that the Faramir, the tears rolled down my cheeks...especially seeing that Faramir's eyes were filled with tears. I could see him now mecry That moment was painful. But I still like Denethor, poor misguided man that he was, in terms of favoring one son over the other.

[Lady Arwen]

oh pls no....poor poor little Faramir....mecry....also in TTT EE when there is him and Boromir...i love that when Boromir says "a moment of peace cant he give us that?" or somethin like this...he did love his brotehr at least!!and when Denethor says "you always cast a bad light on me..." ...grr!but yet once again he was mislead by that damn Palantir so it was not really his fault...even tho i always cheer when Gandalf beats him up!lol!

[Charmander]

After all this discussion I'm almost wishing we could vote twice!! Faramir has some pretty emotive eyes too!

I think Denethor might be one of those character changes that was unfortunate, but for the movie made more sense. I don't know that he ever really mean to insult Faramir (at least in the book) - but the palantir was driving him mad and he had lost his favourite son - I'm not certain I'd be the same after that, and didn't Denethor's wife die soon after having Faramir. Maybe they would all just benefit from some family therapy :)!

[Lady Arwen]

oh well no matter how emotive :faramir: 's eyes are i will stick to my vote!!Lol!i cant betray my dear aul :aragorn:!!hehe!

anyways i am still laughin after that family therapy thing!!lol!that was hilarious!lol!and yes you are right, Finduilas (Faramir's mother)died when he was very young....John Noble (Denethor)even suggests that she might have died while givin birth so that can be why Denethor didnt really like Faramir that much or maybe just bcos Faramir reminded him too much of his mother....anyway he did have some problems and a bit of a therapy wouldnt have hurted him :grin:

[Charmander]

I can't even remember who I voted for now! Based on the forum we're in I'd have to stick with my vote, seeing as how Faramir doesn't get really emotive until RotK. I jsut saw the second teaser that came out and have to say that Aragorn emotes greatly through his eyes - especially in that scene in the PotD - if you haven't seen it the link is posted in the RotK section! Very awesome!!

[Lady Arwen]

oh i just saw it and while watchin it i was like I know i shouldnt watch this!!lol!!anyways i loved it and esp that Pippin/Faramir bit...it was sweet!and well Aragorn's eyes....*swoons*...i love his expression also when Elrond gives him Anduril when he says "Sauron will have not forgotten the sword of Elendil" or somthin like this!

[Charmander]

I really like the way he looked at the battle of Helms Deep - so dedicated to his purpose - it was awesome! I mean, if eyes could kill Saruman's army would have been down for the count before they got to HD. Though my true favourite is when he is having the exchange with Brego and Eowyn in the stables at Edoras - the look of compassion as he tries to help Brego - I loved it!

[ImDaMom]

yes you are right, Finduilas (Faramir's mother)died when he was very young....John Noble (Denethor)even suggests that she might have died while givin birth so that can be why Denethor didnt really like Faramir that much or maybe just bcos Faramir reminded him too much of his mother....

And while I have heard that JN thought that, if you read the appendices, Faramir was born in TA 2983 and Finduilas died in 2988, so Faramir was 5 years old at the time.

[Lady Galadriel]

.anyway he did have some problems and a bit of a therapy wouldnt have hurted him :grin:

Poor Denethor. But really, can you guys imagine living in constant harassment and fear? You have to admire Gondorians. Sauron just would not leave them alone. Poor Denethor.

But we digress. Oh, and Lady Arwen, I absolutely loved that exchange between Boromir and Faramir. I get teary eyed everytime I see them embrace. I love that scene.

[Lady Arwen]

oh that scene with Brego is wonderful...i just love Old English language and hearin it from Aragorn....well....*faints* but anyway you are so right about the look in his eyes there...he is just so compassionate towards everyone no matter if its men or animals...no wonder Brego loved him soo much!lol!

and yes Lady Gal that scene is awesome...its the one scene that made me change my mind about Boromir actually!

and IDM thank you for the info!!btw if im not mistaken i remember that Faramir was born same year as Sam...i thought that was interestin when i read it... :)

[Lady Galadriel]

and yes Lady Gal that scene is awesome...its the one scene that made me change my mind about Boromir actually!

What? ARe you saying that you did not like Boromir?

[Lady Arwen]

well at first i didn't like him!!i mean in FOTR its not that he is all that nice man except for when he is diein!and so till i saw TTT EE i didnt really like him but now i do!

[Lady Galadriel]

Hhmmm! When I gave my uncle and his wife FOTR & TTT last year, they immediately liked Boromir. lol

I like him too...I credit the ring's evil with him attempt to take the ring from Frodo as well as his lack of understanding just how evil the ring was.

[Nowayout]

Awwww Poor Faramir that must've been so hard on him!!!!!! I'm glad I still have my mom!!!!!! Yes I also like the part where Aragorn was helping Brego. I heard that Viggo got to keep him! That sounds so :cool: !!!!!!!

[ImDaMom]

He also kept the horse known as Hasufel- actually, he bought both of them- plus the horse from "Hildalgo", TJ.

[Cassandria]

Lucky Horses!!! lol

I think Sean Bean's scenes in Lothlorian were perfect! He perfectly portrayed the troubled soul. :thumbs:

[Nowayout]

I agree Sean bean is cool in all his Boromir scenes!!!!! I wonder if he had a hard time showing his vunuable side like when he was crying and his out tender scenes where he shows his soft side. I really like that part of him though it shows he cares deeply for others even his jerk of a dad. I beat it was hard for Boromir to leave without a mom too even though Faramir was the younger of the two. By the way I have a story on Fanfiction.net called Suppressed and my name on it is spiritstillionofthecimmro
I hope the big guys are not mad at me for suggesting this.

[Lady Arwen]

sure we are sooo mad at you now!!!Lol!jst kidding!!
as for Boromir i know it was the ring fault...i just didnt completely get it the first time!!!
and yeah those horses are some lucky horses!but are they still in NZ the LOTR ones?

[Lady Galadriel]

Lady Arwen, I dont think they are in NZ. I think he brought them back to California...I believe I heard him say it on "The Tonight Show" or whatever its called.

Oh, and Boromir was ambitious too, in terms of being the victor in war. :grin:

I like his vulnerable side too. The man is full of passion.

[Lady Arwen]

oh did he?cos till some time ago i read about him sayin he wanted to keep em in NZ cos he was considerin moving there as well...while TJ is in LA already (at a friend's home i think...unless he moved him recently!)...well anyway that is soo cool that he kept those horses and he must treat them soo well they must be like the luckiest horses on earth! :)

[Lady Galadriel]

Hhmmm! I could have sworn I heard him say that they are in California at some stable. However, I might be wrong. :cool:

[Nowayout]

I don't blame Viggo for wanting to live in NZ! That would be so cool! I agree with you on Boromir having Passion. In fact he is one of the most Passionate and Compassionate. Yes Aragorn is too, but as far as we have seen in the movie he was too busy dealing with Haldir to even give Frodo the comfort he needed. It was Boromir who tried to comfort him. I'm sure Aragorn would have though if he hadn't had to deal with trying to get them a place to stay in Lothlorien. Aragorn sort of looked fed up with it all. :(

[Lady Arwen]

yep NZ must be great to live in...
and well...in the book we see that Aragorn is quite troubled about his stayin in Lothlorien cos it reminds him of Arwen and so poor lad, give him some rest!and then if he didnt deal with Haldir i doubt they could have stayed there in Lorien...i mean...he was tryin to get the permission to stay there or somethin like this...whats more, he goes and tries to comfort Boromir then when he sees that he needs been conforted...

[Lady Galadriel]

What was Hsaldir's problem? Didnt he know that Aragorn had the favor of the Lady Of the Golden Wood? lol She didnt mind Frodo "bringing great evil there." lol

[Charmander]

I really liked Boromir, even after he was so rude to Aragorn. But it made sense, I mean all that time he and his people spent protecting Gondor and this guy from nowhere is proclaimed the heir to the throne - of course Aragorn tried to play it all down. I was a little surprised by Legolas' reaction to Boromir - I always thought that Elves would be far more calm - but it makes sense from a cinematic point of view.

[Lady Arwen]

haha Lady Gal...i dont know..i mean, if you dont tell your subjects or wotever they are what pleases you and wot doesnt then its not our fault!Lol!!!even tho they should be able to guess that since they read minds and hearts...lol!!!

anyways...yeah i know why Boromir treated bad Aragorn but in Lothlorien he begins recognisin his power when he says that they will be called home by the clear sound of silver trumpets and they will shout "the lords of Gondor have returned"...he didnt see him as king maybe then but later while he is diein he does...and btw Charmander...glad to see ya again!!

[Charmander]

Thanks for the warm welcome back Lady Arwen! My internet connection is touch and go over the weekend - and I had to go to the dentist, so I was out all day - and I do all my WotR'ing at work :)!

I more understand now why Boromir was the way he was - but at the time it seemed more than uncalled for. Especially after watching Aragorn lead the hobbits to Rivendale!

[Lady Arwen]

yep poor Boromir, it was not his fault...jst the ring and well also his father wantin him to bring it back!

aw your welcome about the welcome...lol!wot have i said??haha!!anyways...as Lady Gal knows i shouldnt spend all this time online but alas im just addicted!lol!

[Charmander]

I feel a little addicted too, I can't seem to go on-line without stopping here, for what generally turns into more than an hour! Never good when I'm supposed to be doing work - but it keeps me away from e-bay :)!

And speaking of Boromir, I blame Denethor a bit for the poor parenting, but also Boromir was the kind of person who was hot-headed - in the books it was Faramir who should have gone but Boromir wouldn't hear of it and took off! I believe it was Faramir who actually had the dream.

[Lady Galadriel]

I really liked Boromir, even after he was so rude to Aragorn. But it made sense, I mean all that time he and his people spent protecting Gondor and this guy from nowhere is proclaimed the heir to the throne - of course Aragorn tried to play it all down. I was a little surprised by Legolas' reaction to Boromir - I always thought that Elves would be far more calm - but it makes sense from a cinematic point of view.

But at that point, Aragorn was not proclaiming anything. Boromir was just being disrespectful. It was totally uncalled for.

You do have a point with Legolas' action. I cant see elves behaving that way either. Good observation.

[Charmander]

But at that point, Aragorn was not proclaiming anything. Boromir was just being disrespectful. It was totally uncalled for.

You do have a point with Legolas' action. I cant see elves behaving that way either. Good observation.

I totally agree that Boromir was being disrespectful and Aragorn was not proclaiming his lineage, and it would have been strange for him to say more than he did to Legolas about it - but I'm not certain why Boromir should have a great deal of respect for Aragorn - when they meet, who is he? As far as Boromir knows he's an absentee landlord (to use a quote from The Devil's Advocate) - and although Aragorn doesn't say anything directly to Boromir that should make him lose respect, I feel like Boromir only gives respect to those who earn it - like when Aragorn proves himself with all the battles in Moria and leading the Fellowship onward after Gandalf's fall.

[Lady Galadriel]

but I'm not certain why Boromir should have a great deal of respect for Aragorn - when they meet, who is he?

I think differently Charmander. Everyone deserves my respect until he or she proves otherwise. :grin: It might even be considered "civilized" to conduct oneself that way lol ..and hopefully LOTR was set in a civilized Middle Earth. lol So, in that case, Boromir's declaration did not please me.

[Charmander]

I see your point - I just think that there are some people who think they desreve respect based on their rank or title and I think that is what sent me in a bit of a different direction. You're right, civilised people are respectful. I still don't think that Boromir was totally out of line. I would have hoped that he would have reacted better, but I don't know that I would have acted very differently in a similar situation. Don't get me wrong, I'm generally a very polite person. The situation was catering to hot heads more than anything else and that is more than likely why Boromir was so offensive. Maybe that's why the elf stepped in (he stood up in protest at least twice in that scene, which I thought was very uncharacteristic).

[Amithrellas]

I was a little surprised by Legolas' reaction to Boromir - I always thought that Elves would be far more calm -
Hmm... I would have agreed with you before I read The Silmarillion. Now? The Elves are not such a calm bunch, really :nono:

And think of how cheesed off Elrond gets about Isildur -- and just about everything else, come to think of it lol

I just think Leggy was normally kept on such a tight lead by PJ -- emotively, speaking :mmmm:

[Lady Galadriel]

I still don't think that Boromir was totally out of line. I would have hoped that he would have reacted better, but I don't know that I would have acted very differently in a similar situation. Don't get me wrong, I'm generally a very polite person. The situation was catering to hot heads more than anything else and that is more than likely why Boromir was so offensive. Maybe that's why the elf stepped in (he stood up in protest at least twice in that scene, which I thought was very uncharacteristic).

Its not so much what Boromir said that was insulting...its the way in which he said it. His entire attitude was acrimonious, very bitter. But then again, in the book Faramir did say that Boromir believed his father should have lordship/kingship in Gondor. He said it to Frodo and Sam.

Hmm... I would have agreed with you before I read The Silmarillion. Now? The Elves are not such a calm bunch, really

True. However, in this situation it feels weird. An Elf passionately defending a "man" is kinda unusal. Among their own kind, it would be easily understandable...but for a man..hhmmm!

[Cassandria]

Oh, but didn't Legolas and Aragorn already have a friendship before that!? I think it fits well. :mmmm:

[Lady Galadriel]

Hhmm! I thought that was a fabrication just for the movie. I have only read the book once so I am not sure.

Either way, it still feel weird especially in that Age. But maybe I am comparing the LOTR elves too much to the First Age elves. They seemed aloof with men except maybe for Finrod Felagund. Oh, and I am not saying that they werent friendly with men, but there always seem like a certain restraint in their dealings with men. Even before "the betrayal."

[Lady Arwen]

wow...what has been goin on here???!!!and all without me????!! mecry !!lol!kidding...anyways...this is such an interestin point...i only read the Silmarillion once so i dont really rememeber it...anyway thinkin of it these elves tend to be a bit hot-headed...take also Haldir...but htat is good that Legolas stood up for Aragorn like that...it was perhaps the only meaningful line he had in 9 hours or more of films!!lol!sorry, poor Leggy but really, think of it!
something that has always surprised me (well not really but i cant think of a better word!)is that along with Elrond and Frodo and some other Elf, the only one who remains seated and doesnt get into the huge discussion that breaks out durin the council is Aragorn...i suppose he does so cos he knows that the purpouse of the ring is that of bringin all the ppl to fight between themselves and keep em separated while Aragorn wishes for the contrary but anyway to see him seated there along with Elrond just makes you realise who Aragorn really is.....does any of this make sense now??!lol!

[Charmander]

but htat is good that Legolas stood up for Aragorn like that...it was perhaps the only meaningful line he had in 9 hours or more of films!!lol!sorry, poor Leggy but really, think of it

I always thought I was the only one who thought that!! He really doesn't have a great deal of substance in the movie - it's just a lot of really cool fighting sequences. That's kinda why I'm hoping we see the drinking scene after Helms Deep - I think it was in the National Geographic special for RotK. That should give our elf a little more substance.

Lady Galadreil - Boromir was being very rude and unbecoming, you're right - I can't deny that his actions were not respectful. But I still maintain that if we had as little to go on as Boromir did any we may have reacted in a similarly unfriendly manner. I think my image of the scene is always unreal in the sense that I picture the coronation anytime I see Aragorn and when I look at Boromir I often think of the scene in Lothlorien and the exchange between the two.

[Lady Arwen]

shhhh Charmander...i think we are goin to get linched by Leggy's fans now!!! :) but he really has little to say poor lad!!lol! but i like it when they are in front of Moria and Gandalf says about the dwarf-doors that even dwarves didnt remember where they had put them and Legolas says "why doesnt it surprise me??!" ..its a cute scene!lol!!

anyways, about Boromir i remember you ppl were talkin about the dream and yes it was Faramir's dream and then he had talked about it to Boromir if im not mistaken...but lets face it, "that wasn't courteous" when he said "what does a Ranger from the north know about this?" or somethin like that!! :nono:
and in the other cases it really was his tone that was disturbing and arrogant when his words werent.

[Charmander]

I think you're right about the Legolas fans - we better keep our eyes open!

I'm not disagreeing that Boromir was offensive, I'm just saying that I don't know that I would have acted greatly different, given the circumstances. I mean, the guy had been defending his homeland all his life, had an overbearing father who he believed would always be the ruler, as the first born he would have inheirted the office and then you've traveled for months to get to a council only to be told that you need to show respect to some guy you've never seen before who is being sold as the lost king of your people - I can't help but be skeptical - which normally wouldn't make me rude, but I don't carry a sword either, so it's hard to go that route ;) See, I know that rudeness is never called for, and civilised society does not condone it, but given the circumstances...

[Lady Arwen]

well yes, i know what you mean but anyways...it was all because of the elf!! :shhh: seriously, Aragorn had never said anything till that Legolas came up and thought "gosh, this is my first line in the film, lets try to look smart!!" and said what he said....but this had already been discussed i think..i mean Aragorn not sayin anything...gosh...today im rambling even more than usual...i think id better log off as soon as i can...if only i werent this addicted!

[Lady Galadriel]

lol You guys are just killing me here. lol

Boromir: Why dont we just cut off our nose to spite our face, huh? Unfortunately for Boromir, he did not realize at that point that Aragorn was going to be their savior. Poor lad. But in any case, even when Aragorn was Thorongil in Gondor, Denethor's father liked him. Perhaps he saw something in the man that was worthy. Boromir was just clouded by the supposed threat to his ambition. I could see what Faramir meant when he inquired about the interaction between Boromir and Aragorn when he met Frodo and Sam in the book.

Legolas: I am not a Legolas fangirl, ;) , but imo, it doesnt matter that he did not say too much. To me, it fits for an elf among men. :grin:

[Lady Arwen]

Lady Gaaal....come on, confess it....you do like Legolas....!! lol ..gosh what will Grandpa say when he knows of this????and what will Gimli say as well??!i cant believe it!!!lol!!
ok this is goin a bit too far now!!Lol!!my madness has reached the highest (or lowest!)point i guess!

anyways...actually i didnt realise that Legolas hardly speaks or says intelligent things in this films till i began goin to forums...same with Aragorn's dirty hair...i mean i was more interested to the story than to these lil things at first but now that ppl pointed them out i cant avoid noticin them!!lol!

[Lady Galadriel]

You ever heard the saying that "Silence is golden." And who knows, maybe the wise speak only when it is necessary. lol

Yeah, I have seen many things with Aragorn looking dirty and there have been hints to him smelling dirty too...but thats a load of nonsense. Thats what you get when people dissect the movie. If I began to do that, I would no longer feel like these movies are taking me to a different world. :grin: and I would like to preserve that fictional world. :rolleyes:

[Charmander]

It does make more sense that the elf didn't say too much, but in my experience, people who don't say much are also the kind of people that are generally calm - I'm thinking of Oz from Buffy (the vampire slayer) - but within that same example, when he got really angry or offended on behalf of someone else he went totally nuts!

I always wondered what was up with the hair - but I didn't really think about it much. I did wonder how often they bathed at that time - in the book the hobbits seem to always wanting to take nice hot baths, but we don't hear about anyone else - lets not get too bogged down by it - it's nice to just turn on your DVD player and travrel to ME!

[Lady Arwen]

lol!! in fact Aragorn speaks very little too, Lady Gal, but he says smart things!
like "there is always hope" and "my friends, you bow to no one"....pls someone now explain to me why did i have to pic these two sentences as examples...i know that now i will begin mecry just thinkin about them!!

anyway...yeah well i bet they say he smelled badly just cos they are jealous of Arwen...actually they also said that about Viggo himself so...dont mind them!! ;)

yes, a good trip to ME...actually i dont need teh dvds sometimes for it..all i have to do is just go into my room and its like ME... i even have the Ranger there!Lol!

[Lady Galadriel]

lol People are just horrible. I have seen all of those comments on the forums.

Sure, Lady Arwen, Aragorn says all the wise stuff. lol Spoken like a true Viggo fangirl.

Then maybe PJ gave Gimli and Legolas the short end of the stick. Legolas spoke well in the books and so did Gimli.

[Lady Arwen]

Sure, Lady Arwen, Aragorn says all the wise stuff. Spoken like a true Viggo fangirl.

:nono: here its spoken like the true Lady Arwen, or Mrs Telcontar!lol!!

well i guess PJ could not make all the characters as wise as Aragorn after all...lol!!well he also had to grant some fun to people watchin the films after all the wisdom spread by that amazing man who was Aragorn!! :grin:
this is degenerating, trust me!

[Lady Galadriel]

Well, we wont even talk about all the people who are upset over Theoden's character. It is alleged that he was made to look weak in order to promote Aragorn as a strong leader. They say that about Eomer too. **hides**

[Charmander]

Really!! I never heard that! But in the book Theoden was not a physically imposing character! I mean the transformation was barely that - it was like, stop hiding in the shadows - ok. I thought Eomer was a fairly strong character in the movie, even though he didn't get a lot of face time. He wasn't even at the battle of Helms Deep, and when he showed up he "saved" the day. I don't think you need to hide - but it might be a good idea ;) I would have liked to see Aragorn and Eomer together though, that would have been bringing more of the book to life and showing why those two are great friends. I at least hope we see them meet up in Pelennor fields in the EE - wishful thinking...

[Lady Galadriel]

**crawls out from behind the door** lol Yep, visit CoE, and there is a heated discussion about this. You see, the Rohirrim are fearless, strong, and brave people. And when Theoden was said (almost in despair), "What can man do against such reckless hate" I think some saw it as unusual. The Rohirrim would fight to the death against all odds. Also, the fact that the Rohirrim was riding North really peeved a lot of people. In fact, the discussion is very good. Some posts are like essays too. lol

[Charmander]

I hadn't really looked at it like that. I don't think I can join another discussion group, as it is I'm barely getting any work done ;) - though I might check it out. In some sense though, Gondor is shown just as weak - I think, when you look at the comparison that is made between Aragorn and Boromir - only the weak one was lulled by the ring.

[Lady Arwen]

oh come on dont hide, granny! :)

[Lady Galadriel]

Oh no doubt. Gondor was falling into decay with the expiration of each year. What? With Sauron harassing them all the time. lol But, I never got the impression that Gondorians were known for their warfare. I believe their strength lied in their knowledge and advancement (though it also was deteriorating).

[Lady Arwen]

but then king Elessar Telcontar arrived and saved both their warfare skills and their culture!! :thumbs: for Elessar!

[Lady Galadriel]

Yes, here we go again. More Aragorn accolades. :rolleyes:

[Lady Arwen]

well you had to expect it after all!lol!!look at what you said!! :p
(off topic completley but that riddle of yours is drivin me nuts!)

[Charmander]

Yes, here we go again. More Aragorn accolades. :rolleyes:

I can't imagine you finding a place here where there won't be praise for Aragorn! I do agree that I never got the impression that they were great into warfare, but they did have Sauron to keep in check, so I'm sure they were well-versed enough. I imagine that part of the problem was that there weren't many of them. It seemed like there were never enough men to fight. When I think of that it always makes that line from the Prince of Dol Amroth funny when he sees Eowyn being borne to the city and he is like, here the women have come to fight as well or my eyes decieve me - something like that. The few points in that part of the book where I actually smile, especially since that is right after Theoden saying fairwell to Merry and Eomer :(

[Lady Arwen]

Charmander, this will surprise you but sometime ago i found a thread where ppl were just bashing Aragorn in such a way and i thought Gosh, hows this possible?and also the way Viggo portrayed Aragorn....i just thought Ok leave em alone!!
anyway..yes thats true..i mean at least speakin about the films, Gondors greatest problem is that they were always outnumbered...well Rohan was too durin Helm's Deep bfore Eomer came and saved the day (and gosh how much i like that bit, with Gandalf's light shining down that slope and all...and the music ... it always makes me cry!)but whenever they talk about Gondor fighting its always "we were outnumbered" they say.

[Charmander]

Colour me shocked!! I really would not have thought that. But I guess people who have been Rings fans forever may not like the interpretation. As Peter, Fran and Phillipa are huge fans it's hard for me to imagine that they'd let the film break from the book in that kind of characterzation. I'm not sure that totally made sense - but I think you might follow me! I thought Viggo did very well - it's not an easy character to portray!

You know, you mention Eomer saving the day in TTT and I have to say that after reading the book I almost wish they had kept him at HD. I mean it makes the movie a lot more suspenseful, but I would have loved to have seen Eomer and Aragorn fighting side by side, as kings sometimes do. I think I already said this somewhere, but I hope in the RotK EE they have the two meet on Pelennor fields!

[Lady Galadriel]

The two kings fighting side by side...hhmmm!!..we will see...but I cant wait to see more of Legolas, Aragorn and Gimli. Their piece felt really short. I really like the friendship between those three as well.

[Lady Arwen]

oh id have loved to see Eomer and Aragorn fight together as well...and i also wish to see more of A/G/L ...i love that when Aragorn is leavin and G/L tell him Where do you think you are goin?!oh and when Gimli in TTT asks ARagorn to toss him....lol!that was funny!

[Charmander]

That was funny - but I felt bad that Gimli was relegated to such a comical role. I know there's a whole discussion about this, so I won't say more. I would like to see more of the three of them and the scenes from PoD looks to deliver. I thought their scenes in the beginning of TTT were great - and when you read the book and compare it is kind of what I expected.

[Lady Arwen]

oh yes the beginnin of TTT is just perfect....actually i just watched that some 2 hours ago...lol!!im still watchin it while typin this..there is that beautiful poem said by Theoden "where is the horse and the rider":....well in the book it was said by Aragorn but....i can understand they had to give Theoden some lines!!lol!and btw remember in the book when Aragorn says the poem Legolas says somethin about hte language of the Rohirrim?!well lovin languages as i do and lovin Old English even more i cant help but love that bit too!!gosh..you see, after all Legolas says somethin smart....alas, tis in the books only!!!lol!!Oh wait now there is the There is always hope but and speakin of emotive eyes i think this scene says it all!

[Charmander]

are you referring to the scene where Aragorn takes the sword from that kid, right before Legolas offers his apologies for his earlier outburst about everyone dying? That is a good scene. He is such a hottie in that scene!

[Lady Arwen]

lol!!!yeah well...be careful cos Lady Gal might call you a Viggo/Aragorn fangirl just for having said this!!lol!!!but anyway yes im referring to that scene(and yes he is defo hot too...but also soo intense..i mean...i just love it!lol)!and btw i also love when they argue (Ara and Leggy) and Aragorn says THEN I SHALL I DIE AS ONE OF THEM...first time he probably shouts and to one of his friends!but really Legolas needed that!!lol!!

[Charmander]

I don't know that Legolas desereved it - he was kind of right. I mean, what are the chances they would get out alive. But I think Aragorn was right in maintaining that they needed to stay and fight and not lose hope.

I can think of worse things than be called a Viggo/Aragorn fangirl ;)! But he is very good in LotR! As are most of the cast!

[Lady Arwen]

yeah but still...it kind of bugged me that he said that in Elvish...i mean, if you have to point out something just say it and let yourself be understood...or maybe he was afraid that the ppl of Rohan might have jumped up and said Oh sure, like we did not know it, Captain Obvious!! ;)

yes the whole cast is just great in lotr!they couldnt have picked better people!!

[Charmander]

I just love the Elvish! I think it's really awesome! Plus the more we here it the more likely we'll be able to use it - have I turned into a geek, or have I always been one - I'll try not to think about it.

Also I think the people in Rohan already looked pretty depressed, I don't think they needed to hear any more bad news! Especially since they had such little interaction they might have thought that Legolas was looking into the future or something - can you imagine!

[Lady Arwen]

oh sure i love the Elvish too and i even tried to learn it but i didnt have much time for it!!(well if i spend my days on here i wonder how can i have time for anything!)!!
you are right about that scene anyways...poor Rohan people did look depressed!and well they had all the reasons to look so!

[Charmander]

Well - there's that whole forum about languages, it's actually got a lot of resources in it - but you're right, at some point we should probably do something that needs doing - like my homework or real work, of which I have done very little.

Back to that scene though - that look that Legolas gives Aragorn when he says they are all going to die is really intense! I mean, I'm not a huge Legolas fan or anything - but - wow - very intense.

[Lady Arwen]

like the only real intense look by Legolas?? *runs like mad and hides behind wall for fear of bein caught by Legolas fans*....sorry i was kidding!
but i agree about the look, it is very intense and its lovely also when he goes to apologise with Aragorn and he says "there is nothing to forgive" (somehow i cant remember the Elvish for this one!)!

[Lady Galadriel]

Lady Arwen, from your statements, it seems that you do not think too well of Legolas. Is that so?

I agree with Charmander. There was nothing wrong with Legolas saying what he said to Aragorn...I was more shocked at Aragorn's response. However, I suspect Aragorn was feeling pressured or he was not himself. I mean, everyone is entitled to some frustration. lol

I loved Theoden's little speech too...the one with "how did it ever come to this"...when he was adorning him armor. That use to bring tears to my eyes. mecry

[Lady Arwen]

Lady Gal, i dont think bad of Legolas...i just think that Orlando's acting needs some more improvement but im hopeful about this!he has just begun and he had very good teachers on the way so i think he can do great in the future...as for Legolas character...well in the films its not that he does much besides the fighting to help his friends (and i credit him for this!)so..i dont see why i shouldnt like him! :)

well, as for Aragorn's frustration...remember the troubles those 2 lads put him thru along the way (like with Haldir, or the Rohirrim!!)so he might have been a bit stressed!!lol!!and he showed that no matter the fights and disagreements big friendships are bound to last anyway!

oh i love that bit with Theoden and also when he says "who am i Gamling?" and so on....(i dont wanna quote the whole scene cos i think you understood what i mean!)...or that Where is the horse and the rider?bit and also when he looks into Aragorn's eyes (and once more here Aragorn's eyes show to be really emotive in relevant situations!)and says "let this be the hour when we draw swords together"....even tho in the book this was Eomer's line, wasnt it?well its a great line nad im glad it is in the film no matter who says it!cos it shows that Theoden really trusts Aragorn now and is thankful for his services to Rohan...(jeez it turned out to be another Aragorn praise moment!!sorry!)

[Charmander]

Lady Arewn - you're right about the line being Eomer's - which is why I maintain some form of indignation that he wasn't actually at HD.

Lady G - you're probably right about the frustration - and I think the scene between Legolas and Aragorn is after he says to Theoden "You must call for aid!" that exchange is really heated too! I love how Theoden pulls Aragorn close and says "My men's courage hangs by a thread." or something like that! Excellent!!

[Lady Arwen]

oh yes i love that bit between Theoden and Aragorn...."they do not come to destroy Rohan's crops or villages...they come to destroy its people, until the last child" or something like that...and btw your quote is right Charmander! ;)

[Charmander]

Thanks for the confirmation! I don't have anything to reference while I'm at work! Last week, when I was making that riddle I was looking all over the place online to try and find some information - I came up with nothing - hence the confusion, relying on my memory was a clear mistake!

I agree that when Theoden says "Let this be the hour that we draw swords together" is great. I find it hard to believe that Theoden has to be inspired by Aragorn though - in the sense that he is this great King - even though Aragorn is too, or will be - it should really be a mutual understanding. And I think in the book he isn't even fighting - but somebody please correct me if I'm wrong!

[Lady Arwen]

well i dont remember about Theoden fightin at HD...i should check it but still..remember that Aragorn is anyway older than Theoden even tho in the theatrical release it isnt said and so ppl dont know it if they havent read the books but in fact he is older...and well...after all "it is not Theoden of Rohan who led his men to victory"...or something like that!hehe!

oh dont worry about the riddle!Lol!!but ya see, we do are a bunch of obsessed over there!!!lol!!im now goin to make somethin up for mine...gosh...have no idea yet!

[Charmander]

I often forget that too - especially since Theoden dies, I guess you could say, young. It kind of makes the relationship between Eowyn and Aragorn a little icky - I mean really, an 87 year old and a woman in her twenties - that's worse than Donald Trump or Jerry Seinfeld!! I'm going to try not to think about it and be glad that Eowyn and Faramir find one another - :loveyou:

OK - I'm back - I think somebody already mentioned this, and then you told me there was a whole thread you'd found dedicated to bashing Aragorn - and the change of Theoden's and Eomer's characters was included. I just feel like in order to make Aragorn more of a hero they did a number on some of the other characters. I can understand why they did it, but I don't have to really approve. I mean, I love Aragorn as the strong leader, it suites him and Viggo - and I guess in a movie format that's the only way to go, but still.

[Lady Arwen]

yes i always think about that when i think of Eowyn and Aragorn (i try to avoid thinking of this tho or i get a bit nervous!lol)...and also think about this...Eowyn even if a lot younger than ARagorn would have died a lot before him and i find this a bit selfish of her...but well im a complete A/A worshipper so anythin related to A/E just drives me nuts!

as for Aragorn...i dont think they made him look more heroic than the otehr ppl...i mean i think they made everyone look as they should have looked....well its a hard thing to explain since my mind is very complicated but i hope its quite clear anyway!

[Lady Galadriel]

as for Aragorn...i dont think they made him look more heroic than the otehr ppl...i mean i think they made everyone look as they should have looked....well its a hard thing to explain since my mind is very complicated but i hope its quite clear anyway!

Spoken like a veritable Aragorn stalker. lol Anyway, I really find it hard to believe the Rohirrim were scared. Remember when Theoden said that the courage of his men hangs by a thread...it just doesnt sound like the Rohirrim. I get the impression that their courage dominates their fears. Arent they a people who are brave in battle?

Anyway, just to be clear, I dont have any problem with the way Aragorn was written. I just find it hard to believe that Theoden would lose courage. Okay..okay...I know he was under Grima's influence for a lengthy period of time, but I would think that he would want to overcome that shame by becoming an even more redoubtable king and soldier.

[Lady Arwen]

I dont see any stalkers around here...do you?lol!!

anyway, Lady Gal, i think that in the film Theoden refers to the courage of his men hangin by a thread cos after all those men he had summoned to fight were not the real soldiers...im speakin about the film in this case cos i dont really remember the books here...but remember they were just "farmers, stable boys, these are no soldiers" and "most have seen too many winters...or too few"....becose teh real soldiers, Eomer's men had been banned and they had no problem in facing death in battle as we do see at the end when they arrive with Gandalf....at least this is what i thought...

[Lady Galadriel]

anyway, Lady Gal, i think that in the film Theoden refers to the courage of his men hangin by a thread cos after all those men he had summoned to fight were not the real soldiers...im speakin about the film in this case cos i dont really remember the books here...but remember they were just "farmers, stable boys, these are no soldiers" and "most have seen too many winters...or too few"....becose teh real soldiers, Eomer's men had been banned and they had no problem in facing death in battle as we do see at the end when they arrive with Gandalf....at least this is what i thought...

And here is where people are displeased with PJ's portrayal...whether they be farmers, stable boys, etc. When Faramir met Frodo and Sam in Ithilien, he spoke of the people of Rohan...in general they are a brave, valiant race. Now, in a society such as he described, be it farmer, stable boy, etc..even if these non-warriors arent the best of soldiers, I get the impression that they still should have a lot of courage and know some form of battle skill. Arent their folktales about triumphs in battles etc? During Theoden's funeral, werent they singing a song about that guy (I forgot his name) who came to the Steward's aid (Cirion?) And Tolkien wrote that when that song was sang at Theoden's funeral, it was as if the people of Rohan could hear the tramping of the numerous horses that fought that day many years before...and they were filled with pride or something like that.

[Lady Arwen]

:blush: gosh you cant beat Lady Gals when it gets to LOTR!!!you know what?!once more you are right!! *bows down to the superior knowledge of the Lady of Light*....i mean, i didnt consider the whole ppl of Rohan as a fightin-nation or anyway as a warriors-nation lets say, where even those who were no soldiers had valour and braveness and will to fight!
well Lady Gal, thanks for the explanation! ;)

[Lady Galadriel]

Lady Arwen, just think of it as a culture. Maybe that would be more befitting.

[Lady Arwen]

sure Lady Gal...thats ok!

anyway today watchin TTT again i realised this...they are frightened but...none of them refuses to fight...i mean not htat they had much ohter choice but still...they go and fight for their king...well i know it doesnt make much sense but i was thinkin of this while watchin those scenes today (the "farmers stableboys" one mainly...)

[Charmander]

It's funny - now that we've discussed that scene with Legolas and Aragorn so much when I saw it again I was like...interesting - so many more layers - one of the places I'd say that Orlando really pulled off an excellent performance!

[Lady Arwen]

ehehe!!this site is great isnt it?you see things in different ways after discussin them on here with fellow-obsessed!Lol!!
and yeah Orlie is quite good in that scene!lol!!poor Orlie!! :rolleyes:

[Charmander]

Totally! Like I never really paid that much attention to who's facial expressions are the most emotive although I always knew who made me cry the most! I mean the character - I tell you, almost every scene Eowyn is in I'm crying!

[Lady Arwen]

hehe!Just like i know i cry in every single Arwen scene....all the times no matter if its a relatively happy scene or a reaaally sad one (Aragorn's funeral.....NOOOOOOOO mecry) i do cry!!!but then there are so many other characters that make me cry .... even little Eldarion who says NOTHING i mean NOTHING...well just with those 2 cute eyes of his just makes me cry like a fountain!!

[Lady Galadriel]

Geez...you guys should save some of those tears. lol I admit the tears get progressively less everytime I watch TTT. I think I would only tear up during Arwen's Fate, Sam's speech, and when Frodo said, "what are we holding on to?" Those three are sore spots for me. I use to tear up when Theoden says his "where the horse and its rider..." speech and when he cries for Theodred...but not anymore. Oh, I believe I also tear up when Denethor scolds Faramir in the extended scene.

[ImDaMom]

I've gotten to where I can get through ROTK dry eyed, except if I'm in a bad mood, then I tear up at "My friends......you bow to no one" and dry up during Into the West

[Charmander]

I can't believe that none of you cry when Eowyn sings the dirge for Theodred! That gets me every single time!

I can't believe that anyone can get through RotK dry-eyed! I mean; "Do you not know?" - that looks gets me! So sad, now I'm sad!

[Lady Galadriel]

I dont know how much I would still cry in ROTK. I have not watched it since May. However, I do know that when I listen to the Grey Havens theme, I begin blubbering.

[Charmander]

You haven't watched it since May! I went two months without watching any of them and that was tough! I'm hoping to wait until 12/14 until I watch any of them again. I'm surprised that the crying doesn't start earlier! Or maybe I just cry really easily...

[Lady Galadriel]

One thing that distracts me is writing my fan fiction…I think too much of the Fourth Age..and I kinda lost touch with the Third Age. Another thing is, I began reading a lot of other books and I subsequently purchased the movies. Right now I am trying to rent Les Miserables with Liam Nelson..and its always out. If its any good, I will purchase a copy. So you see, I have other things to distract me.

[Charmander]

It's good that you have something to distract you - I should be studying more, but I'm doing very well as I am, so if it's not broke, don't fix it! I've got some really bad quotes today. Good luck with the fan fic! Also, one of my firends uses Netflix, and she's never had problems getting movies, so that might be a viable alternative.

[Lady Galadriel]

Thanks. Yeah, my coworker keeps talking about that. I might try it when I get the chance. :cool:

[Lady Arwen]

Lady Gal there was a time when i used to watch The Miserables with Liam Neeson as Jean Varjant (sorry the spelling!)every afternoon....but i was a huge fan of Liam by then (and he looks fine in that film!!lol!!) and i havent watched it in a long time...i havent read the book but i like that film..even tho im not sure if mom who read the book said it was different from it but still..well i guess its a bit like with LOTR...one might like the two things as two different things...

Charmander i dont want to hurt you so i wont say what i did the first time i heard "it is but a thought and a shadow...."....you know my feelings towards A/E so you can imagine....but i mean just cos i dont like the way the developed that "relationship" in the films...oh better stop here!!

anyway..IDM why did you have to mention "My friends you bow to no one"???? mecry see what you've done?!but honestly what is in that bit that gets so many ppl over-teary?cos i know we are not the only 2!i think i know why i do cry but still its soo crazy cos its such a short sentence and yet... mecry .... the power of words i guess!and of noble feelings too...

[Lady Galadriel]

Gosh...perhaps its the way ARagorn said it...he said it with such feeling. Gosh...how could anyone not adore this man? And no Lady Arwen, i am not talking about his looks like you superficial Aragorn stalkers.. lol

Uh...Lady ARwen, I think you mean Jean Valjean... lol I am desperately hoping to see this movie though. :grin: