Favorite Noldorian King?

[Voroturiön]

Who is your favorite Noldorian King and why?

For me it would be Fingolfin because he faced Morgoth in single combat.

Closely, followed by Gil-galad because he united the Elven nations and Men.

[Voroturiön]

Vote, Vote, Vote!

[Rumil]

Yeh Fingolfin for me too, also because of the duel with Morgoth, though Finrod comes a very close second.

[Elvenwanderer]

I agree, Fingolfin, with Finrod right behind!

[Lalaith]

I have a huge soft spot for Gil-galad, so he gets my vote! he was the longest-ruling High King in Middle earth, and although the Second Age was not as perilous for the Elves as a whole, I think he acquitted himself admirably!

Although, the passage in Sil, about Fingolfin riding to face Morgoth gets me every time! :(

And I love Fingon (the Valiant) most especially for the fact that he saved Maedhros from torment atop Thangorodrim...

And I adore Turgon because Gondolin was always my favourite of the Elvish strongholds... and for that passsage in 'The Fifth Battle' when the Elves of Gondolin arrive... (see quote in my sig!)

So, it was actually quite difficult for me to choose!! lol

[Rumil]

lol that pretty much covers most of them Lalaith ... i think we can take it that you are generally a fan of the house of Finwe ;)

[David D]

I don't really like Fingolfin due to his pirde. I would therefore choose Maedros or Finrod. Maedros did make a few awful descisions but this was due to the curse. He was also very noble giving up his claim to the throne a thing that the likes of Fingolfin would never do. Maedros also was a calming influence on his brothers and planned the fifth major battle against Morgoth.

[Lalaith]

Urm, yeah, Rumil! I'd say that would sum me up really!! I like Elves, me! Especially if they're High Kings...

Swoon? Me? In a BOOK thread? Never!! ;)

[Rumil]

Don't worry Lalaith i have some smelling salts handy ;) lol

[Lalaith]

Good good, I feel one of my turns coming on... lol

Gil-galad...mmmm

*Tries to regain some credibility*

Well, he did set up the Last Alliance... And seemed like a nice bloke, what with supporting Elrond from youth, and vice-regentising him!!

[Sindarin]

I voted for Fingolfin. :thumbs: My second favorite is Gil-galad. :)

[Gwaihir]

Fingolfin! I read over and over the part where he battles Morgoth! He was so brave! I admire him. :)

[Finrod Felagund]

I'm going to cheese a lot of people off here but... I think Fingolfin was foolish. He accomplished nothing except allow Morgoth to destroy his second most powerful enemy in ME without loosing any assets. And he further hurt the morale of the Elves, proving that even the mightiest among them could only scratch The Enemy. Brave, yes and rash.
Makes a good story though...

three guesses on who I voted for...

[Rumil]

Hmmm Finrod ... now who could that be...? lol ;) I take your point about Fingolfin's rash heroism ... he is certainly not the wisest of the Noldor.. but i admire his imperfections ... though of course Finrod is pretty amazing too :grin:

[Eorl the Young]

Well... I guess you just choose a few of the Noldorian kings for there are much more of them. I kinda liked Fingon a lot and I think Maedros is quite coool aswell but since they are not in the poll I don't have to make a very hard disision between them and Turgon. Turgon is a wise and nice guy, and he made only one fault: to trust the son of Ëol too much. Like father, like son. About Fingolfin: I already knew the story before I started to read the Sil (curse the jungle Tam-Tam lol ) so I knew he was going to fight Morgoth, but I expected that Morgoth hunted him down and not that he would go mad and confront him. I still like him a lot though.

[Voroturiön]

Unfortuantely, Eorl, I could only have *5* choices in my poll! Otherwise, I would have included all the rest of the Noldorian Kings. But, here is a good place to nominate others.

[Gil Galad]

but im i not right in saying that Meadhros and Fingon were not Kings of the Noldor, they were Princes but not kings.
and as for you butting down fingolfin(my favourite and the guy i voted for, Finwe was second, then turgon and Gil Galad, altho when Finrod faced sauron he was more powerful then he'd l8r become) he was not proud and as for him not turning over a claim to the kingship (David D) did he not tell his brother the rash and foolish feanor, father of the almost as rash and foolish meadhros, that he wud follow him, negating any claim he had(and it was strong, since feanor lawlessness) to the thrown. he was humble brave, strong , and i dont think that his charge and challenge of Morgoth was that foolish, he wounded teh great Morgoth gravely and showed everyone that he could be destroyed and that he was now completly of this world and cud be wounded as a man of flesh. many elves took heart that day because of wot he done, it wud have been a much greater defeat if that duel had not taken place, fingolfin knew that when he chalenged

i think the inly king that shud be in the list that isnt is the 3rd son of finwe

[David D]

Fingolfin was brave and noble, but definately not humble. Though Feanor agreed to follow him he still never reliquished his claim on the kingship. This was an arrogant think to do and not very humble. He went s far as to say that Feanor did not care about the death of his father and only his jewels. This was a gross lie since no one loved Finwe more than Feanor. Fingolfin then lead his people through the Hellaxe. This might have been a great deed, but it was foolish. Fingolfin knew that going to Middle Earth would be foohardy, he knew they needed the help of the Valar, he knew that his brother had been able to retreat back. Yet in his pride to prove a point to Feanor he lead them through the Hellace enduring great loss ( Iam not condoning Feanor's own disgraceful behaviour, but merely pointing out that Fingolfin was not as nice as people make out).

Attacking Morgoth was stupid. He knew he had no chance of victory and this did not help the moral of the elves. It would have been better for the elves if their best warrior had saved his strength for a more influential task. Luthien and Beren did far more for moral by their deeds.

I do think that Fingolfin is a very great and noble elf, but I think people all to often fail to see that the convicts the Noldor princes had was not due solely to Feanor.

Actually I have decided to choose Finrod. He was the first to befriend men. Though he was far younger than FIngolfin he had more Noldor under his kingdom. He sacrifced his life for the kinsmen of his friend and almost defeated Sauron is a skill of sorcery.

[Gil Galad]

was he actually a king tho? anyway i have to disaggree with ur points about Fingolfin, he led his people through the Hellaxe because he had to, they were all free to go back , he made that clear, they followed him of there own free will(and those that made it were made great by it)he on the other hand had vowed to follow his brother(which i take as a relinqushment of the kingship which he held in Feanors self made exile) it was not out of pride or to prove a point to his unworhty brother.im not sure when he says that feanor didnt care bout the death of Finwe, but that was not a very accurate thing to say, but prob brought on by grief, and if u think about it, the oath says nutin bout avenging Finwe ddeath, it just goes on bout how the jewels wud not be held from them , justly or not, by any, so it may have had soem degree of truth.

and fighting morgoth, did allot for the elven cause, u must remamber that he single handedly (b4 that fight)wud have been able to lay waste to all the elvish kingdoms by him self(only fear prevented him) but after that fight Morgoths fear was so great he never again ventured from his strong place

[David D]

If you read the Shibboleth of Feanor is says though he promised to follow him he stil did not give up his claim to the thrown. There is no question about this because it is written by Tolkien himself.

Then when he passed through the Hellaxe it says he had a great will to once again meet Feanor in middle earth. Fingolfin unlike Feanor did not really think that going to middle earth was a good idea, but he wanted to protect his people. After Feanor abandoned him am sure his motives changed into trying to make it to middle earth. Morgoth was already to scared to come out. Morgoth has always been a coward.

Finrod was a king. Logically he had to be a king for there to be a high king.

[Gil Galad]

sorry i got him mixed up with Finrod, sorry bout that. well its only our opinions we have on Fingolfins primary urge to get to middle earth, i think its his oath to his brother, u think its something else. but when he fought morgoth he made him taste humility and pain like he had never doen b4, and he showed the entire world that that fallen vala, altho still powerful, was not unassailable

[ereinion]

mmmmmm.........favorite noldor king............let me think......lol
Ereinion Gil-galad,who else......

[Glorfindel]

Well... I think there are some many cool Noldorian Kings and there are only little choises but I go for Finrod for he was such a nice person and I think almost every of the good people of Middle Earth loved him. Turgon is really cool either with the only mistake to ignore Tuor's message. Gil Galad is also way too cool. I know this isn't gonna make people happy but I always tought that eventhough most people think Fingolfin was the greatest and strongest of the noldor, I think Maedhros is even better: I mean he survives all battles in the first age and Morgoth feared him greatly. I mean he once had the choice to attack Maedhros or Fingolfin and he choose Fingolfin eventhough he had a far stronger realm: Hithlum was surrounded and shielded by mountains and it had far more soldiers then Maedhros realm but still Morgoth feared Maedhros more then Fingolfin. And during the fourth battle when the lands of the sons of Feanor were abou to be concoured Maedhros saved the day with only few men for he fought very valiantly on his own and the orcs fled before but no such thing is ever said about Fingolfin.So I think Maedhros was the strongest and greatest elven warrior save for the oath wich made him do horrible things.

[Gil Galad]

it was said tho that morgoth reconed little for the sons of feanor, and this cud be why he let him be, and the oath thing done nutin but wrack havoc on the Elven realms. "and the orcs fled before but no such thing is ever said about Fingolfin" mmm, when Fingolfin charged through the battlefield adn challenged morgoth, it was said that none wud dare to stand b4 him and that it wos thought that Orome himself had come