Dwarrowdelf

[Fatty]

What do you think would have happened to Moria....destroyed...re-occupied...sealed up....forgotten in time?

[Orc]

Well, witout the Balrog, I think the Dwarves would have returned and cleaned up the place.

[Catz]

Mmmm didnt they say something about that in the book?....or was it just the caves behind Helms deep that were mentioned?.....oh B****r....now i'll have to go and look it up lol
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[Pil]

I dunno if there was anything more mentioned about it. But i reckon, as is the nature of the dwarves, they would return to moria and resume their mithril mining. As orc sed, with no balrog they would have nothing to deter them. I can imagine gimli's song (you know the one he sang in moria?) being recreated in what once was the "Long dark of moria!" :p

[Aragorn Isildur]

I think the dwarves began shaping the halls of Helms Deep after the War Of The Ring but i dont think they definately returned to Moria. I think they would have done and made Balins tomb a shrine. Or come to think of it did i read somewhere that Aragorn went to visit Gimli in Moria after WoTR...

[Algamesh]

I caution you to remember Gandalf's warning:

"There are older and fouler things in the deep places ..."

We have to consider the fact that Sauron was only one Evil in the world. The current flavor of Evil at the time so to speak. I still feel that Moria was dangerous because Gandalf seemed very uneasy to describe what he found below the Halls of Khazad-Dum upon Gimli's inquiry.

[Pil]

OH YEAH! oooo...good point...oooo :thumbs: :read:

I suppose not only the balrog would have made its home there...gollum was pretty foul and the goblins didn't know about him...what else do you think lurks in the deep of moria? :o

[Aragorn Isildur]

I always thought that the Balrog was the thing he found lurking.

[Catz]

yeah that was always my impression....and anyway, with the Balrog and the Watcher in the Water destroyed, i think the Dwarves would have been able to clear up the left over Orcs and such....they wouldnt have wanted to abandon Khazad Dum, im sure....
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[A! Elbereth]

very off subject *WARNING*

Catz, howcome when I see who is online, your name doesnt show up - but you ARE online because you posted the same minute i checked? sorry I HAD to know, been bugging me for weeks

[Catz]

on your personal options theres a radio button for "invisible mode" which means you dont show up on the members online list......i always use invisible...just habit, i guess...and heh, i like to lurk....... mwahahahahah....:batty: :flamer: :batty:

and just to stay on topic.....i also dont think the Dwarves would have left such a valuable supp;y of mithril, unworked....:cool:
lol
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[Fatty]

AH yes you can go invisible if you like. Though it must be said that Illuvatar and I see all ;-)

I think that with the moria, I doubt they would have went back. there were strange things still lurking down there, gnawing etc. But even without these a large part of Moria would have been destroyed with the Balrogs fall. Additionally on ecan imagiine many orcs still being in there. Maybe it would have been sealed up. Plus the dwarves were never a numerous people, I doubt after The War of the Ring they would have been in a position to colonise it agian. Maybe as you say catz, just some daring miners, but not as a great realm again.

[Pil]

I think what Algamesh was originally getting at (correct me if i'm wrong) was when Gandalf returned from Moria and he was describing how he got out...he sed how he had to travel through the REALLY deep places of moria...and how the balrog wasn't the only thing about... :evil:

[Catz]

thats true actually...but i do think that at least some of them would go back.....after all Balin and co tried, and they had a pretty good idea of what was there....it must have seemed worth the risk to them...
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[Pil]

But it doesn't mean that there was NO risk. Their minds were clouded by their love for mithril...they probably wouldn't have lasted long (what with dwindling numbers) even if they thought everything would be ok. :huh: :(

[Catz]

oh agreed.....but i dont think it was only the love of Mithril that motivated them....i always think of the passage where Gimli is trying to explain how the dwarves nurture a cave, to Legolas, when he tells him about the caverns of Helms Deep.....how they might chip the tiniest bit away at a time so that the beauty isnt ruined, just enough to enhance....how they would never mine a beautiful cavern, but rather preserve it for its own sake....and Moria was the Dwarves greatest city....the most beautiful caverns in ME.....i loved it when Galadriel described it in its heyday to Gimli....brings a lump to my throat....i think the Dwarves were as much motivated by the desire to return Khazad Dum to its glory...the thought of such horrors roaming the halls must have been awful for them.....much like we'd feel if our homes were taken over.....only in this case its the spiritual home of a whole race.....i think theyd try to take it back.....just my opinion....
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[Aragorn Isildur]

I agree, its like leaving a family heirloom to the ruin of the orcs.

[Pil]

I no it would have been really bad for them, but they just didn't have the strength or numbers to complete such a task. :(

[Aragorn Isildur]

But with the peace which followed the WoTR maybe they could of got busy and bumped up there numbers ;)

Aragorn:king:

[Catz]

lol roflmao lol ...i can just imagine the scene of a Dwarf explaining to his buddies why he cant come out to oggle fine looking mineral formations...."sorry lads, but the wife and i are working on bumping up the numbers":naughty: lol roflmao roflmao lol
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[Pil]

:elfeek: :o :elfeek: i read somewhere that only a fifth of the dwarves were female...or somethig stupid like that...anyways...there wouldn't be that much romance in the depths of kazad-dum..."my love...noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo" (cry of dispair as 'your love' falls into shadow.... lol

[Catz]

Anyway its kind'a hard to be romantic under several kilos of chainmail......cant you just see it? groups of male teenaged dwarves, watching the girls......after they have figured out which ones are, in fact, females.....
"whoaaaa....get a load of the helmet on that!!!"
"hey baby, wanna come and see my mithril?"
"she showed me her axe"
roflmao roflmao roflmao roflmao
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[A! Elbereth]

roflmao! lol lol lol lol

[Black Rider]

oh eww! lol. thats so gross, i dont even want to think of dwarves doing... that...
:p :o
maybe they cleaned all of the orc bodies out that were in the main entrance or the beginning shallow part and closed up the rest and made like a dwarven memorial or a house thing.

[Catz]

lol lol
yeah well.......ahem......getting back to the topic....which was, in a nutshell, for those floundering about in the details of the mating habits of Dwarves (sorry BR;) )
What happened to Moria?
i think Moria had an almost religious aspect to the Dwarves....i think that to them leaving it occupied by dark forces was almost like having a church taken over by drug dealers would be to a Christian.....not to be countenanced...i think they felt it to be a duty to re make the glory of Khazad Dum
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[Aragorn Isildur]

Exactly

[Pil]

Nah...i agree with Black Rider...it would have been too much of a task to redecorate...so they would close up all the ugly bits and use a smaller budget on doing up the entrance with some sort of memorial thing...(you can tell i've been watching changing rooms!) lol

[Black Rider]

lol lol lol
they'd call to go on trading spaces with Gondor