The stupidist thing in the movie

[Eorl the Young]

Don't get me wrong: TTT my favorite movie together with FotR but even in the best films there are things that are just so stupid. Wich of these stupid things, do you think is sooo stupid that it should win the price of the most stupidest bit of stupididsm of all the small stupid parts (okay.. this isn't english anymore lol )
1. the cheesy way Aragorn tumbeled of that cliff. If falling of the cliff wasn't bad enough, the stupid way he hung at the warg was even worse!
2. when Aragorn and Gimli are fighting together at the bridge. Theoden calls them and when Aragorn and Gimli turned around, an Uruk sneaks apon them but instead of killing them with his scimitar, he hugs them like they are his bets friends! That just looked so stupid!
3. Faramir saiying: Finally we understand each other Frodo Baggins! Why does he suddenly understand Frodo?! Just becouse Frodo switched to "Junky-mode" and wanted to kiss a Nazgul. I mean Sam told a beautiful story but Frodo just sits there looking creepy.
4.That Uruk with the flare scéne was soo stupid. I mean the could have just protected him under their shields. And besides, Legolas can shoot everyone with ease except this one. Couldn't he handel the presure or something?
5. Other. Please explain if you choose this one.
Well... I'm looking forward to the results.

[TheRingBearer]

Gotta be Faramir understanding Frodo although i'm sure it will tie in better once rotk is out.

I can't remember an uruk hugging Aragorn and Gimli :huh:

[Bonos-Girl]

an uruk hugging gimli and aragorn?! this i have to see!!

[Illuvatar]

While I too cannot place the "hug", that whole torch bearer scene irks me every time I see it! lol pfbbt

Why? Besides the fact that next to Legolas, was SEVERAL other archers and they could have pin cushioned the guy! But, what really gets to me, is if you look as he's running up, there must be 6 or 7 Uruks standing around holding torches! If Grima's little candle would set it off, who the heck needs an Olympic torch! Gun powder work just fine with any open flame. Sparklers are not needed! pfbbt

[Eorl the Young]

The hugging thing is when Aragorn and Gimli are fighting at that bridge in front of the gate (strait after the "toss me... but don't tell the elf." thing. Théoden yells at them that they should get outta there and Aragorn en Gimli turn around towards Théoden and then an Uruk Hai grabs them from behind (which looks awful lot like he's hugging them) and tries to strangle them (at least it looked that way) and it is really stupid for the guy also carried a sword. He could have cut of Aragorn's head but instead he just "hugs" them like they are best friends :cuddles: Then the Uruk was shot by Legolas from the wall. (which makes the torchbearer scéne even more stupid. How can he kill an heavily armoured Uruk Hai hiding mostly behind his 2 best friends with ease but he can't kill a half naked Uruk Hai running without any cover. It's just plain dumb verymad )

[Bonos-Girl]

ok...wel...i had to vote for 'other'...simply because, although the olimpic torch is hilariously funny and cringe-worthy....i think the most stupid bit in it is....drum roll....all the above....yes i know its a complete cop out but i couldn't decide! lol

[Nessa]

I had to go with the "we understand eachother" thing, it was just so incredibly misplaced. At least the other bits make me laugh.......

[Orkybash]

I'd have to go with Aragon's warg riding/cliff diving. The other bits either seem to have a point or at least are so minor that they don't bug me as much... but Aragorn's fall is a major plot point of the movie, and a cliched, unneccesary, and untrue to Tolkien one at that.

[Celebrían]

I agree with you on that point, Nessa.

I voted for the torch. When this scene came up for the first time, I turned to my freind and said, "It's the Olympic torch!" I thought they could have done that scene better. Oh, and explain to me why Legolas couldn't take down that Uruk? A few minutes later he shield surfs down the stairs shooting arrows like there's no tomorrow, but some how he could only shoot the "torch-bearer" twice?

[Ithielnor]

I had to vote the torch bearer. They are all cringe moments but that was the one that stuck out the most the first time I saw it.

[Celebrían]

I just realized that when I said "Nessa" in my previous post, I meant to say "Orkybash". Sorry 'bout that! :blush:

[Sindarin]

I voted for the Uruk torchbearer. pfbbt

[Celebrían]

When he came running through with the torch, I almost felt like the "Chariots of Fire" theme should be playing... lol

[Eorl the Young]

I just realized something new about the whole flare thing: they could have just given the flare to the orcs who carried the "bomb". I mean it's a suicide attack anyway. Or the Uruk's could have just made a line and passed the flare from hand to hand: there would be no archer able to stop them!

[Morgothian]

The Uruk that was holding the torch didnt fall down when shot because he was so full of energy and devotion to kill himself that two little arrows were not going to bring him down. You know the saying, "where theres a will theres a way". So I didn't think it was that bad, it was kinda cool he was the one chosen to blow himself up. Because it was like in honor he was the one who breached the wall. Which was a big thing thats what Saurman wanted to happen very bad so that he could than attack the Hornburg.

[ImDaMom]

And Aragorn did not "hold on" to the warg....he was caught by his (Boromir's) vambraces. Hmmmmm....a little beyond the grave payback :)

[Celebrían]

Gosh, I hadn't thought about that! :elfeek:

[Saruman]

I think that the Uruk that bore the torch was one of those nasty berserker fellows; they are always the most violent and seem to have the most stamina.

[Eorl the Young]

Originally posted by imdamom55
And Aragorn did not "hold on" to the warg....he was caught by his (Boromir's) vambraces. Hmmmmm....a little beyond the grave payback :)

I didn't notice that. When I saw the scéne I first thought that the ring of Barahir got stuck in the Wargfur roflmao Not that this isn't any more stupid then hanging by your ring. Great notice though imdamom55! You have a sharp eye! :p

[Beleriel]

I voted for the torchbearer... it was just so cheeeezy! :p

[ImDaMom]

I may have gone with the ring, but have you ever gotten a ring caught in something? It WILL tear your finger off, before you can be dragged by it. I've been caught many a time, but believe me, it hurts so bad you won't CARE if you fall off a cliff (if your finger holds on that long) :)

[Eorl the Young]

Nooo I don't ware any rings. But however he hanged by the warg it was plain stupid. PJ shouldn't have included that part. It's way too cheesy

[ImDaMom]

I guess it really didnt bother me, one way or the other. I thought it was an odd yet workable plot device, and gave us a chance to see how truly strong the bond had grown between Legolas, Gimli and Aragorn, something that while hinted at, never was really brought forward in the books. But I think that's been covered in another thread, so I won't beat a dead warg here.

[Celebrían]

lol That was my justification for using that "odd device". Although when I saw that part in the theatre, I was like "What the heck is going on? Did I just see that?!" I didn't think that part was stupid, but the torchbearer was a bit...well...shady lol . I will say though, that these a very minor (in my opinion) and they don't shade my overall rating of the movie.

[Miruvor]

I didn't think any of those things were the stupidest, because these are the things I thought were more stupid:

Aragorn saying to Theoden, "Gondor will come". When the battle was happening tonight, and Gondor would take a week to 10 days to hear about it and then get there. Plus, how could Aragorn read Denethor's mind. Aragorn is not in charge of Gondor YET. That was the dumbest bit of script writing ever.

Also, How the heck can Gimli know what type of blood is on the leaves by tasting it? Pure 'PJ' shock factor.

Also, just as dumb is Aragorn telling Arwen they are through and to go on to the havens. I can't imagine how they can logically resolve that one in the script. What could he do but repent his decision and beg for her to forget what he said?

[Bonos-Girl]

i was just windering...is it just me who'd have thought that orc blood would be poisonous?! :huh:

[Celebrían]

Interesting thought, BG.

About the Aragorn/Arwen thing, I wasn't crazy about him "breaking up" with her, but PJ did it to lead those non-book readers on, to insure that they would come back for ROTK (it's not the only reason, but it's one of them, at least that's what I think). The rug will really be pulled out from under those people when they see ROTK! :o

[Lady Ashley]

I voted Other because I can't pick just one. The Olympic torch orc was stupid, the warg riding was practically not phyiscally possible, Faramir's line was really bad (tho I'm sure it'll be explained in the Ext) and I plain missed the Orc hug last time I saw the movie. (tho I do remember it now.)

[ImDaMom]

Let's get off Faramir's back for this one. I think what he was referring to was that he now understood the great peril of the ring, after seeing Frodo and the wraith. He also hoped that Frodo now understood the desperate situation Gondor faced after seeing Osgiliath in ruins.
As far as the "hug" the Uruk was holding our heroes as others came at them.
With the torch, do you think Saruman would have to create a special flame to light the bombs, or would he trust that his Uruks would not accidentally set it on fire? Somehow, I don't think he trusted the Uruks that much.
Aragorn/Arwen? Pointless, but not what I'd call stupid.
What is stupidest? Spelling the title of this thread wrong. lol

[Miruvor]

Hooray for appreciating the subtle portrayal of Faramir. Too many folks are just annoyed because they didn't get the pretty sugar coated package they were expecting. But I still see his portrayal and the logic that can lead us into the next movie, as much smarter than that Aragorn/Arwen thing. The continued logic of THAT thread of screenwriting has little plausability in my eyes. :elfeek: :o :elfeek: :o :elfeek: :o :elfeek: :o

[P.K. Brandybuck]

Okay I voted for the torch bearer thing but it was the least of my cringes... When Frodo says : They're here...they've come. That was just too ODD!! Might as well draw a parody of him with his hands on a T.V. Screen. (Poltergeist)

I still appreciate PJ's excellant adaptation of the book, though....even with it's quirks.

[Eorl the Young]

Originally posted by imdamom55
Let's get off Faramir's back for this one. I think what he was referring to was that he now understood the great peril of the ring, after seeing Frodo and the wraith. He also hoped that Frodo now understood the desperate situation Gondor faced after seeing Osgiliath in ruins.
What is stupidest? Spelling the title of this thread wrong. lol

lol I know! I'm not very good at spelling lol But eventhough you're probably right about Faramir's reasons to say: "Finely we understand eachother Frodo Baggins" I still think it's stupid for they let him say it at the wrong moment, after Sam's speach. Now you have to think back first before you know what he's means. And besides Faramir already knew the peril of the Ring. That's why he took Frodo with him instead of taking the Ring himself. That's why he gave Frodo an understanding look after Frodo said: "The Ring will not save Gondor" "It has only the power to destroy" And I don't think Frodo saw much of the desperate situation for he was tormanted by Sauron and the Ring all the time and he was acting like a zombie with as only goal to give the Ring to the Nazgul. But I would have gone along with you, Indamom, if Faramir would have said the line in Ithilien or if Frodo would have held Sam's speach. :thumbs:

[ImDaMom]

Yes, Ithilien would have been a good place, but my thought was Faramir finally understood just HOW strong the ring was after seeing the wraith and Frodo. Frodo wasn't quite "zombie" as they reached Osgiliath, and after Sam's speech, he could really see the destruction around him. Why he took Frodo, and not just the ring, well, only PJ can answer that one.

[Gwaihir]

Well I voted for "other", but I really do think that the torch bearer part was weird and also the warg riding of Aragorn.

The weirdest and stupidest part in the WHOLE movie for me was the fact that the Entmoot was something that had not happened for a very long time, but the reason why they had that Entmoot was only to decide whether Merry and Pippin were orcs or not! roflmao That's so stupid! And treebeard himself said that they don't discuss anything unless it's worth taking time to discuss. Now how important is deciding whether the hobbits are orcs or not after Treebeard had them judged by Gandalf? It just doesn't make sense. :(

[ImDaMom]

The first part of the entmoot in the book was indeed to decide that M&P were not orcs, and that Hobbits should be listed among all the peoples and animals of ME. I thought it worked, although it did seem "hasty" to me. hoom hoom

[Eorl the Young]

I think most of the entparts were overrushed especially since ents are really slow. Of course PJ has to fill in a lot in 3 hours adn I've heard that there are many more scénes concerning the ents on the expended dvd. So maybe (and hopefully) it won't look too rushed on the EE dvd

[Miruvor]

That's a good point that Gandalf had already identified them as non-orcs, but I guess Treebead had to convince the other Ents.
And don't forget, The UN took a very long time in discussing whether to go to war, and finally decided against. The final result of the discussion shouldn't disqualify the importance of the time it takes to go through the process.

True though, that PJ, in his wisdom of putting lines in the wrong place, messed up the logic of the story line by using the "we must weather these things as we always have" line at the end of their moot instead of the 'war cry'. Well, we surely are used to these flubs by now, however regretable.

[Celebrían]

I just want to say that I don't think a single thing in TT was stupid, although there may have been a few things that could have been handled a bit better than they were. I just don't think I can bring myself to say the words "stupid" and "The Two Towers" in the same sentence, you know what I mean?

[ImDaMom]

Miruvor....don't look at them as flubs....look at them as chances for we "bookies" to have our own private laugh at the movie, to feel like we know a secret others do not ;) lol ;)

And....Celebrian....once again, you took the words right out of my mouth.:thumbs:

[Celebrían]

Imdamom! That's what I meant earlier about the Arwen/Aragorn thing. :thumbs:

edit: lol It's good to know that I'm not he only that thinks this way! ;) lol

[Miruvor]

Stupid, funny, mixed up, regretable, fuel for discussion. I agree, the movies and books together give us a wealth of variety and thrills.

[ImDaMom]

Originally posted by Miruvor
Stupid, funny, mixed up, regretable, fuel for discussion. I agree, the movies and books together give us a wealth of variety and thrills.

And, that, Miruvor, is the greatest part of all of this. veryhappy

[Eruanion]

I voted other. I'd have to say that the "exorcism" of Theoden is what I like least in the movie, its very dramatic and works in the movie but too cheesy...and there's not much in the movies that I've found cheesy.

Wargriding Aragorn was great, though; Faramir's understanding Frodo is a bit annoying, it's not explained at all why or how he understands Frodo and I hope the extended DVD clears that up. As for the uruk torchbearer, I thought it was fine.

[ImDaMom]

About the torchbearer, remember- he has been given one mission, and that's to light the bombs. Fanatics frequently keep going, despite injury, to get their jobs done. Although I don't class him a fanatic, remember Boromir....he kept going,despite the arrows, until he could no longer defend M&P. Same sort of fighting instinct.

I'm really suprised no one has mentioned, what to me, is the cheesiest....."Do not let him speak. He will put a spell on us" (Aragorn in Fangorn). I know Saruman's voice is powerful, and I know they need to be cautious....but just the way Aragorn says this, I'm reminded of an old southerner worried about a voo doo curse. Just seemed sort of silly to me.

[Eruanion]

Actually, I think the "Do not let him speak..." part is straight from the book. I like the suspense of whether it's Gandalf or Saruman in the book, and more in the movie would've been nice.

[semuta]

why a "sparkler" versus a "torch"?

I believe the "sparkler" was actually a smaller bomb on a stick, that was used to set off the bigger charges. I didn't see any fuses on the big bombs, so they had to be set off by a smaller explosion. you can't just light them with a torch.

[ImDaMom]

Eru....the line was by Gimli, and he said "Do not let him speak or put a spell on us." Still a cheesy line, but somehow it makes more sense coming from someone a little less worldly than Aragorn. Somehow, I can't see Aragorn being so scared. But then, that's what makes these movies special...each of us finds something in them that we love/hate.

[Celebrían]

I didn't think that line was meant to be cheesy, but to show that they understood that Saurman had great power. I am reminded of the way Gandalf warned the company before they went to confront Saurman in Orthanc, "But there is no knowing what he can do, or may choose to try. A wild beast cornered is not safe to approach. And Saruman has powers you do not guess. Beware of his voice!"

The line may have come out sounding cheesy, but I don't think it was intended to be. I think it showed that Aragorn knew that Saruman was quite dangerous. Again, just my opinion, but anywho, that's my two cents. ;) :thumbs:

[ImDaMom]

"At last I think we understand each other, Celebrian." (;)) I (as always) agree that while it may have sounded a little cheesy, it made perfect sense in the situation. I just thought it sounded a little odd coming from Aragorn rather than Gimli who may have been a little more cautious of the voice. But, you are right that Saruman's voice was indeed a cause for concern.

[Lady Ashley]

I agree; Aryagorn getting Gimli's line was kinda strange...especially since most non-bookers would know it's Saruman's voice that's truly his greatest weapon----since PJ hasn't told us yet. *wink* I hear the word "Extended" floating by...

[Celebrían]

originally posted by imdamom55

"At last I think we understand each other, Celebrian." () I (as always) agree that while it may have sounded a little cheesy, it made perfect sense in the situation. I just thought it sounded a little odd coming from Aragorn rather than Gimli who may have been a little more cautious of the voice. But, you are right that Saruman's voice was indeed a cause for concern.

lol I like that opening line, imdamom, it rings a bell for some reason...;) Yes, I understand your point. :blush:

originally posted by Lady Ashley Thalionwen

I agree; Aryagorn getting Gimli's line was kinda strange...especially since most non-bookers would know it's Saruman's voice that's truly his greatest weapon----since PJ hasn't told us yet. *wink* I hear the word "Extended" floating by...

I hope so! I would love to see more of this in the extended! :thumbs:

[Lady Rowena]

Well, I think (hello by the way) that the most stupid thing in the movie was following scene. I'm not really sure but I think it was one Aragorn Gimli and Legolas were attacked by Wargs. Gimli's riding a galloping horse towards Legolas to pick him up and when Legolas jumps behind him in the saddle it's such a fake picture. It's obvious it's a computer animation

And another one. Sam tells Faramir how his brother died. But how could he know? He wasn't there when Boromir was killed now was he?

So far my opinion
Greetings
Lady Rowena

[ImDaMom]

Lady, (welcome, btw) I think Sam's outburst is not related so much to HOW Boromir died, but rather WHY. You have to think that as Sam and Frodo walked, they talked about what had happened to Frodo on Amon Hen. Sam, although a simple Hobbit, understood that the lure of the ring is what set the events in motion that led to B's death.
Now, the Legolas scene. While I'm sure PJ included it as a fun little piece, there is actually some Tolkein beind it.....
"Then Celegorm turned his horse, and spurred it upon Beren, proposing to ride him down; Beren sprang from before Celegorm full upon the speeding horse of Curufin that had passed him: ...and the Leap of Beren is renowned" (Silmarillion, p 177, Of Beren and Luthien) That passage could well be changed to read Legolas. How interesting????? :grin:

[Lady Rowena]

Yes I guess you're right. I discussed it with some of my classmates and we figured out it must have gone the way you say.

But then: we have been analysing the swamp Frodo, Sam and Gollum walk through. It's covered with soft rush: indicates disturbed grounds and water that is rich of nitrogen.

[ImDaMom]

Would not decaying bodies produce the nitrogen you speak of? (yecchhhhhhhh) lol

[Lady Ashley]

as for Legolas leaping to the saddle, that really happened. Look at TT Ch. The Riders of Rohan and he leaps "lightly" to Arod's back.

[Rock26]

I voted the torch simply out of the choices available. But one thing that really bothers me in TTT (also in extended FOTR with M&P with Boromir at the end battle) is how these well armored Orcs and so-called "fighting" Uruk-hai are completely taken down by M&P's crushing and, might I add, deadly accurate pebble throws. If I see them take down any more Orcs with rocks I'm going to hurl. I actually read where Merry doesn't stab the Witchking in ROTK....... he distracts him by a well placed piece of granite to the crown.

[ImDaMom]

Ya, the rock thing is a bit odd. But listening to the cast commentary, Billy Boyd mentions breaking a camera man's nose with his rock. It was also nice that the Hobbits at least TRIED to defend themselves the only way they really know. And (although I can't find it right now) there is a passage in the book that Hobbits are wicked with stones, and many animals run and hide when they see a Hobbit pick up a rock. Silly, but it does stay true to the book.

[Miruvor]

It's in the Prelude - Concerning Hobbits.

Now I would not consider the horse mount by Legolas as the stupidest thing. I have watched it many times and each time I watch closely to see if I can see the CGI vs real-life interface and have not been able to see it. Perhaps the mount itself is fantasy (like the whole movie) but the technical production of it is excellent and makes it look believable to me!
That passage could well be changed to read Legolas. How interesting?????
Certainly! If a man could do it (albeit brave and accomplished), certainly an elf would have no problem with it.

[Rock26]

Imdamom, I think I remember that now. Thank you. Although I think bringing down a rabbit in the woods is a little different than a 250+ lb Uruk-hai. JMHO.

[Celebrían]

I love that they included the Legolas mount. I couldn't tell when it changed form Orlando to CGI, either. It was very well done! :thumbs:

[figwits mistress]

The Uruk Torchbearer is the one I voted for. I think Legolas should have done a whole Zelda maneuver and shot an arrow through the torch so it could be lit on fire...That wouldn't have worked, would it?

[Morgothian]

The Torch bearer was kinda like a Kamakazee bombadier wich I thought was kinda cool, he was the one chosen to kill himself and breach the wall, wich was Honor to them. But I dont understand why people thought it was corny and dumb, was it just to dramatic or something, maybe instead of legolas shoting him, he should just of never of seen him in the first place. I guess that would be better.

[Cuiel Rilwen]

I'd say the torch- bearer...for all the reasons mentioned above...and the kamikaze excuse doesn't do it for me, tho it was a suicide- mission...I don't think orchs have any sence of honour.

Have to say, even if the Legolas- jump is in the book and other fantastic jumps as well, I didn't like that part much. Have ofcourse seen the film several times, but I'm sorry, it still looks like the film at that point is played backwards or something.

[Rock26]

Actually, I thought the Legolas jump on the horse was pretty cool. Even though it was obviously computer generated, the idea behind it was sweet. Hey, how many other impossible acts did we see in the movie? Hmmm... Gandalf's 20 minute fall into the underground lake? Ents storming Isengard? Just the existence of Ents? Again, obviously computer generated, but adds to the fantasy.

[Cuiel Rilwen]

Then let me refrase...I have nothing against good CGI, and there's lots of it in TTT...I just didn't care much for this particular one...if Legolas had done the moonwalk it would have looked just as weird...to me...but thats just my opinion, you're entitled to yours!:)

[Rock26]

I will agree that the actual mechanics maybe could have been better. I'm not sure because of the amount of experience I have in CGI work. Which would be about................none. :grin: Anyway, I understand your point, well said.

[Frodo284]

I think the funniest line was when frodo and sam are talking at the end and they have there lovey dovey scene where they talk about being in a book, "You left out one of the chief character, samewise the brave. " hehe that was funny

[Cuiel Rilwen]

...then we're in the same place when it comes down to CGI- experiencelol this is just me and my opinions!

[Eärendil]

All those stupid Arwen scenes! grrrrrr... But out of the ones in the poll, I'd chose Faramir's sudden "understanding" of Frodo.

[Nenya]

the Olympic Torchbearer was stupid. I'm sad when Legolas didn't capable to bring him down :(

[Ereinion]

I positively HATED the torchbeare scene....It was so pathetiqe....almost destroyed my enjoying of the movie.....pfbbt to PJ

[Grima Wormtongue]

i voted aragorns warg thing, that was completely pointless.

also i wanna mention the whole treebeard not wanting to fight then pippin tellin him to go south to isengard. how did pippin know that saruman was destroying trees? in the book treebeard already knew about the trees and somethin finally pushed him over the edge(i forget exactly what it was) and that made sense. but the movie, i dunno, it just bothers me that treebeard didnt even want to fight then pippin shows him something he wouldnt even know, and the worst part is when pippin tells him and treebeard is "well, that makes no sense, but then again you are very small" WTF?

[Elenwë]

Originally posted by Celebrían
I agree with you on that point, Nessa.

I voted for the torch. When this scene came up for the first time, I turned to my freind and said, "It's the Olympic torch!" I thought they could have done that scene better. Oh, and explain to me why Legolas couldn't take down that Uruk? A few minutes later he shield surfs down the stairs shooting arrows like there's no tomorrow, but some how he could only shoot the "torch-bearer" twice?

And to me the funniest thing about it is the fact that this Uruk tuned out Palestinian, throwing himself, that was incredible.
The warg, and Aragorn falling.... please!!! such a dramatic scene that made me wanna die on my seat when the movie was over because half of the book was missing, i hated thatpfbbt

[Azaelia Gamgee]

I went with other...but i do think the whole orc thing was stupid and funnylol :cool:

[Ebony Troublemaker]

i'm going with the olympian torch-bearer, haha. only because it's supposed to be such a serious scene but i started laughing.

-miss ebony

[Beregond]

I also voted for the torchbearer, I just watched the movie again last night, and I laughed at that part.

[Elenwë]

Torchbearer is stupid but is very funny, but Aragorn wargriding is stupid and still is stupid, I hate that part.

[Lidless Eye]

I voted for the Berzerker torch carring. It was kinda cheesy but I think they just needed to find a way to bring down the wall. The Aragorns Warg-riding didnt bother me at all. It looked to me that his hand was stuck. The Uruk- hai hugging thing didnt bother me ether. It just looked like it was attacking them from behind. The Faramir Frodo thing I didnt think much about it. So well I cant think of anything that really bothered me ;)

[Lady Melanie]

I voted for the Olympic Torch orc. Couldn't you just hear Chariots of Fire playing in the background as he ran and despite being hit by arrows when any other normal Urak Hai would have been killed, he still manages to take a flying jump and set the bomb off. It was sooo funny!roflmao roflmao roflmao roflmao roflmao

[Tirithel]

I personally enjoy the wild grunt you hear just before he makes it into the culvert. "heeerruuuuuuh!" roflmao

Another thing I like to point out and laugh at is the scene near the end when Aragorn and Theoden charge out our the gate with all the knights behind them. There's a shot from overhead as they're galloping down the causeway, smashing orcs off the sides and all that, and the riders in the back are swinging their swords like madmen into...nothing! lol

Ahh, the limitations of CG. :grin:

[Morgothian]

Originally posted by Illuvatar
While I too cannot place the "hug", that whole torch bearer scene irks me every time I see it! lol pfbbt

Why? Besides the fact that next to Legolas, was SEVERAL other archers and they could have pin cushioned the guy! But, what really gets to me, is if you look as he's running up, there must be 6 or 7 Uruks standing around holding torches! If Grima's little candle would set it off, who the heck needs an Olympic torch! Gun powder work just fine with any open flame. Sparklers are not needed! pfbbt

Ya but that was the whole point of the thing. He was like the uruk chosen to sacrafice himslef and breach the wall. And I thought it was very well done. I loved how he was bucking his head up and down as he was running kinda like a wild horse would do.

[Anarion]

Great discussion & observations, but there's one scene in TTT that is so pointless that nobody's picked up:

As the Uruk-hai are storming up the causeway and trying to ram through the door, Theoden's men are bracing the gate - this is all good and fun until the Uruk-hai create a gigantic hole in the gate. After this happens, a Rohan soldier brilliantly yells "Brace the gate!" roflmao roflmao
Yeah...you go brace that. When I saw this in the theatre, I could not stop laughing. lol

[Lady Melanie]

You are sooo right. There is not much to brace at all!

[Morgothian]

it was only a small hole in the middle of the gate there was still enough room for men to brace it .

[Alcarohtar]

Originally posted by Lady Melanie
I voted for the Olympic Torch orc. Couldn't you just hear Chariots of Fire playing in the background as he ran and despite being hit by arrows when any other normal Urak Hai would have been killed, he still manages to take a flying jump and set the bomb off. It was sooo funny!roflmao roflmao roflmao roflmao roflmao

I agree completely...that's the worst scene of the movie pfbbt

[Boromir123]

Well, the part with the Faramir understanding, well it may be that Faramir saw, from Frodo nearly giving in, and turning on his best friend, is too alluring for him.

[Lady Melanie]

That part is quite weird. One second he is going to take the ring, then after the nazgul pitches up, he suddenly understands frodo. Yah, wateva!

[Feebeefi]

I voted for The Torchbearer. I mean, he is shot twice in the neck by Legolas(good shots) and yet he still runs. And the olympic torch as well!pfbbt pfbbt pfbbt pfbbt

[Lúthien _Nargothrond]

Yeah, I voted for the wargriding, but the whole scene just irked me. Especially when Aragorn falls off the cliff and is loved back into life by Hasufel. That was just bad.

Hmmm there were other bits that irked me - Faramir taking Frodo and Sam to Osgiliath. Yes, because it makes sense to have to have them walk ALL that way back again. Besides, in canon wasn't Osgiliath taken on the east and in ruins by this point?

I never thought of the torch bearer as Olympic, but MAN that is a funny image!

The whole Arwen thing bothers me. It's just too over-done, especially when they are missing things like the entdraught and Saruman out.

How did they get Horses into Helm's deep? Did they bring them round the back? When the rest was seiged?

The fact Gimli did the voice for Treebeard. Not only was it very obvious but in a £300 million film, surely they could have gotten another voiceactor?

"The White Wizard approaches"
"...You were tracking the footsteps of two young hobbits...etc"
well, if Gandalf had seen them, why did he leave them with Treebeard? Why not just take them to Helm's Deep and keep them safe there?
ROTK SPOILER
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Galadriel going "The quest will claim his life. You know this. You have seen it."
Um, Frodo doesn't die, scary lady.

/SPOILER.

That's all I can think of right now. I'm sure there's more :)

[Elenwë]

Aragorn's falling really annoys me, it wasn't necesary at all and it stole importance to other stuff that really mattered. I think if they were going to show the bond between him and Arwen the should do it in a clever and less dramatic ways.

The torchbearer made me laugh lol really hard, but I also think it took importance to that scene and the fact of Gimli being the clown of the movie really p***** me off... I'm not a very big fan of Dwarves but at least they should've shown them as the great civilization they were, full of proud.

[Lady Cele]

I have to agree that Aragorn "going over the cliff" was a bit much but it showed us the strong friendship between Aragorn, Legolas and Gimli. The expressions on Legolas and Gimli's faces were priceless. I also like to think that the "torchbearer" scene was a way to show the friendship between Gimli and Aragorn. Gimli jumps into the midst of those bad guys to give Aragorn a chance. But everytime I see that torchbearer run I keep expecting to hear the music from "Chariots of Fire"...lol lol lol

[Rock26]

Luthien, the "claim his life," comment by Galadriel is supposed to indicate that Frodo's life will never be the same after being a ringbearer, not physically ending. Although for non-book readers, it also throws the question of Frodo's death before the end into question. I like it.

[Elenwë]

"Chariots of Fire" lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol

[Lúthien _Nargothrond]

Luthien, the "claim his life," comment by Galadriel is supposed to indicate that Frodo's life will never be the same after being a ringbearer, not physically ending.

OOOOOoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooh.

Okay. Now I feel like an idiot... well sort off. All my friends (who've read the book) took it to mean that as well. Could she not have said something more like "he will carry it will him for the rest of his life, you know this"? But then again I guess you're right, it's too keep the suspense of the non-book readers who think "Frodo's going to DIE?". I'm ashamed to say it worked on me too. :blush:

[Boromir_III]

GImli and Legolas are so boring and badly acted it makes me laugh at times, but mostly I cry.
Treebeard was another ruined character and Merry and Pippin, well, they were stupified.
Aragorn is pretty cheesy throughout. The warg-battle and cliff-scene is dull. The scenes with Arwen unnecessary, slow and boring.
The movie in total: Cheeeeeeeeeeeesy and at times boring.

[Elenwë]

Well I see your point but I don't think they're all necesarily spoiled. Maybe the movie sometimes have some silly jokes, but for some reason I seem to enjoy it very much. I don't think Treebeard was ruined at all, I'm waiting to watch EE to see the development of the character which I think it was good

[Miruvor]

All the many changes and comic stuff is enjoyable to me. The only thing that truly "spoiled" the EE version for me was the Gondorians beating up on Gollum. It was vile bad taste and not in the spirit of LOTRs. That was like watching someone beat up on a child, because Gollum was smaller and no real threat to them while in their custody. Makes you want to change sides because Gondorians are now evil. And PJ's evil side is showing to put it in there. He had no apology for it in the commentary, either.
Even if I fast forward or skip the scene, I still 'know' it's there. Why would he ruin a good movie like that?

:boohoo: :boohoo: :boohoo: :flamer:
(Yes, I know, I AM a wuss.)

[Lúthien _Nargothrond]

The only thing that truly "spoiled" the EE version for me was the Gondorians beating up on Gollum. It was vile bad taste and not in the spirit of LOTRs. That was like watching someone beat up on a child, because Gollum was smaller and no real threat to them while in their custody.

Yes, now you mention it, I definitely agree. If you listen to the commentary with the cast, the actor who plays Faramir actually says that he is glad his character doesn't hurt Gollum in any way during that bit - that Faramir rises above it. I was kinda disappointed with the way the whole Faramir was displayed in the film.

[Elenwë]

I thought of that too and I think there's no explanation nor excuse to that, I think it was too cruel, besides the books tells how peaceful was the enncounter between Frodo and Faramir and I don't understand why it had to be changed for something that violent. Somebody told me that in order to show the true colors of Faramir they should put him in those escenes with that "spirit", but so far I think it was tasteless and oh yes, stupid.

[Fëalossë]

I had to vote for the "understanding one another." It was a pathetic attempt to stick in a line from the book, even though the story line and character development (Faramir's) diverged completely from the context surrounding the line in the book. I hate it when they do that in these movies. (And they do it often. Like when Gollum says, "Don't follow the lights!" and they didn't put the lights in the movie. verymad)

[Elenwë]

Weren't there lights??? I thought I saw them

[Lady Galadriel]

Aragorn's falling really annoys me, it wasn't necesary at all and it stole importance to other stuff that really mattered.

You guys, perhaps he fell off the cliff so that he can see 10,000 Urak-hui marching to Helm's Deep to crush the World of Men and to warn King Theoden of the unavoidable impending threat which will arrive by night fall.

[Nienna]

The most stupid thing?
"Eowyn's soup" from TTT EE! It was funny but I think it doesn't match to the Lord of the Rings.

[Lidless Eye]

ewwwwww that soup was strange looking!!! :roflmao:

[Elenwë]

Yeap, it looked like water with a little pale color... yuck!

[Eomund]

Soup was trouly strange

[Elenwë]

I laughed a lot when they were in Meduseld after the kids arrived and they're eating the soup and the girl asks: "where's mommy?" and Eowyn goes: "sssshhhhhh!!!!!".... Poor kid! she only wants to know about her mother jeez! lol

[Eomund]

That was truly cool place

[Calmacil]

The torchbearer scene was just too...not stupid...but ridiculous. Plus, they put it in semi-slow motion! It did not need to be like that. But, it's only one blemish on an otherwise great movie...

[Mithrandir]

I would say, Aragorn's and Gimli's best Uruk Hai friend
That was really stupid, I mean they were all of those orcs there and this guy was hugging them and did nothing to them, and then Legolas threw the rope and they just kept going to the door and they didnt even try to hurt Aragorn and GImli!, it was ridiculous in my opinion

[Mithrandir]

lol roflmao
where's mommy?" and Eowyn goes: "sssshhhhhh!!!!!".... Poor kid! she only wants to know about her mother jeez!

Yea, although she asks that a bit late, i mean they got her inside, and I figured they must of asked her what happened, so geez and Eowyn doesnt have to be so drastic LoL

[Elenwë]

Isn't that funny????... lol lol lol roflmao lol lol lol

[Lidless Eye]

:lol: :roflmao: I wouldnt want to be Eowyns kid!!! :lol:

[Eomund]

Every time you ask something she yells SHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH.

[Lidless Eye]

:lol: :roflmao: :lol:

[Elenwë]

lol roflmao lol roflmao lol roflmao... I would move out of my house as soon as I can, would she be like that with Faramir??? lol

[Eomund]

Faramir says that he must go to war and her : shut up you laisy husband.

Just awful.

[Elenwë]

lol roflmao lol roflmao

Not a very nice marriage I must say

[Lady Galadriel]

LOL ...you guys are so funny. I believe Eowyn saying "shhh!!!" is normal. I have often witness parents telling their kids shhhh when they are interrupting adult conversations. However, I must admit that I found it funny that she said that to the child. Despite that fact, I am sure she will be a good wife and mother.

[Lidless Eye]

She better be nice to Faramir!!! ;) awwwww Faramir...:drool: ok i'll stop.
haha yeah... I hear moms telling their kids to shutup!!!

[Eomund]

good mother.......did they even have chields...none mentioned in the books.

[Elenwë]

We never knew if they had kids, they would be very goodlooking.

Maybe she changed and got to be a little more calmed after she married Faramir, maybe that's why she was so bitter... that's my theory.

[Eomund]

yes, maybe Faramir calmed her down and then tamed her.

[Lady Cele]

"tamed her"? I think not...I'm sure she kept him on his toes though...lol lol lol

Faramir and Eowyn did have at least one child. They named him Elboron. Elboron's son was named Barahir....:grin: (Found that in one of Christoper Tolkiens books.) Can you picture Faramir as a grandfather....lol

[Eomund]

no, certanliy not, what book was it in?

[Naru`vatar]

Faramir: Honey, Aragorn needs my help right now and i dont know when il be back!

Eowyn: Shhhh dont talk so much!

Faramir: But..but

Eowyn: Shhhhh i told ya!

Faramir: "walks out more confused than ever"

[Lidless Eye]

:lol: thats funny!!! :roflmao:
hmmmm I cant imagine Faramir as a grandpa either in fact I cant imagine him as a dad either :lol: but I bet hes a good daddy :grin:

[Lady Cele]

Eomund,

The information is in Volume 12 "The Peoples of Middle Earth" It is the last volume of "The History of Middle Earth"
Index reading "Elboron, Second Prince of Ithilien, son of Faramir, pg 221, 223"

Lots of good stuff in that book...:grin:

[Eomund]

Nooooo.... none in stores now.

[Elenwë]

That's interesting... they had a child. I'll be looking for that book.

lol lol lol lol poor Faramir... Ssssshhhhh!!!! will be a very well-known answer in his life as a married man.

[Eomund]

true

[Naru`vatar]

Do you Eowyn Shieldmaiden of Rohan take Faramir son of Denethor 2 and captain of gondor to your houspant?

Shhhh

Is that a "yes" or "no"?roflmao

[Eomund]

that was good Naru

[Lady Cele]

houspant? Do you mean husband?...lol Now you guys are getting carried away. This is suppose to be a thread for the stupidist thing in the movie...of course, had they included that...it would have been stupid. lol lol lol

[Lidless Eye]

:lol: that was funny :lol: :roflmao:

[Eomund]

no it is as house pant....lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol

[Lidless Eye]

:lol: :roflmao: :lol:

[Elenwë]

lol lol lol lol lol lol lol roflmao lol lol lol lol lol lol .... hilarious! (my stomach hurts)

[Mithrandir]

Scene on ROTK in 'The Ride of the Rohirrim'

Ewoyn: Whatever happens, stay with me
Merry: Yes ma'am
Eowyn: Shhhhhhhhhh, my uncle is talking!
*merry starts crying and runs and tells king Theoden that Eowyn is there*
Eowyn: Merry, sorry, ok, Shhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!
hahahahahahha
lol lol lol lol lol lol roflmao roflmao

Oh nevermind, wait this is the LOTR TTT forum! roflmao roflmao

[Lidless Eye]

Your to funny Mithrandir!!! :lol: :lol: :lol: :roflmao:

[Lady Cele]

lol lol lol You guys are crazy....:cool:

[Eomund]

Then in the scene of Angmar;

Angmar: No men could ki....

Eowyn: Shhhhh.... Shut Up you lazy wirtch king.... im no man.....


lol lol lol lol lol :battle: :king:

[Elenwë]

lol lol lol lol lol lol lol rolfmao... you guys are just too much!

[Lidless Eye]

:lol: :lol: :lol: :roflmao: Thats crazy!!! :lol:

[Naru`vatar]

When Theoden and the Rohirrim stand ready before riding against the orcs on Pelenor Fields:

Everyone: DEATH!!!
Eowyn: SSHHHH!!!! Dont scream so loud please!
Merry: But i thought you wanted to fig.....
SSHHH!!!!

[Catz]

ok ENOUGH!!!!
the thread is supposed to be about what IS in the movie.........and unless im much mistaken, none of you had a part to play in the script
there are role play forums and humour forums for this sort of thing
- smilies do NOT make a post........nor does "my stomach hurts" or "youre so funny"
a post is meant to add something to the TOPIC........what we have here, is spam, people
any more of this spamming or off topic chatter and this thread will be closed
thank you
:catz:

[Naru`vatar]

Ok sorry on behalf on everybody i say we just wanted to have some fun! :p

[Lidless Eye]

Yes sorry everyone I was the one who just added smilies :blush: On with the Topic!!!

[Elenwë]

I'm sorry but it was just too funny :grin:

Ok let's take the original subject matter back.

[crazycoconut]

I thought the stupidest thing in TTT was when the Wargs came and attacked the Rohirrim... and then Aragorn falls over the cliff... It didn't really add anything to the movie either... :rolleyes:

[Lady Cele]

Very true, CC...they could have taken that out and added one of those scenes from the EE.....but at least that wasn't as stupid as that Olympic torch running Uruk that took a flying leap to the finish line...pfbbt

[Lidless Eye]

That was stupid cc. But I think they made him fall off the cliff so they could add more Arwen fluff. :rolleyes:

But I think the Olynpic torch bearer was the stupidest.

[Eomund]

and leggy only him to shoot him.... why not all the elves???

[crazycoconut]

Yes, thats what I wondered too, Eomund... it was kind of stupid...

I though the Olympic torch runner was a bit amusing... until he doesn't die even though he's supposed to... *erg*

[Naru`vatar]

The elves looked pretty busy to me.
But the most stupid things in the movie is:

1. the guy smiling when the elves arrives
2. In the EE version Aragorn cuts the head of an Uruk-hai. You can clearly see that the head was attached to a small rope in the body.
3. Faramirs men abuse poor Smeagol. Man that was just SO darn unnecessary.

[Lidless Eye]

I know poor Smeagol. :(
I noticed the rope also. :lol:
I was wondering why he could still run even thought he was full of arrows. :grin:

[ImDaMom]

How could Boromir still fight with 3 arrows in him? If we accept Boromir, we must accept the orc.
As far as Aragorn falling, listen to the director commentary. They actually give it a good reason, and it makes (some) sense.

[Eomund]

What is it then? But that Boro-thing maybe he had secret armor on him, and arrows didnt reli??? cause him damage!

[Elenwë]

lol lol lol lol Maybe he had it

[Lidless Eye]

We all only wish he wasnt dead!!! :mecry:
I just thought because the Orcs die pretty easaly that it was strang that he could still run and not die immediatly like the others. Maybe he was a tough Orc. :lol:

[Eomund]

a very tough orc...... lol lol lol

[Naru`vatar]

Boromir fought on with those arrows in the chest even if it must have hurted like hell. The Uruk however did not had any problems with the arrows because he was one of the berseker kinds and as far as i know they are those who really cant feel any pain at all.

[Lidless Eye]

Berserkers are lucky I guess. I wish I couldnt feel any pain. :grin:

[crazycoconut]

That's what kind of ticked me off in the movies... I thought that the uruks were not supposed to feel any pain... I know Lurtz didn't really, but many of the other orcs appeared to...

[Lidless Eye]

Yeah your right they did they alsways seemed to shreik in pain.

[Amithrellas]

I have to vote for "other" -- namely Treebeard. Instead of an ancient being, with bagloads of wisdom, Treebeard is a woody old duffer, seemingly incapable of making a decision for himself. What's worse, it's obviously John Rhys-Davies voice :rolleyes:

[Lidless Eye]

I liked that it was JRDs voice it was perfect for him. I liked Treebeard also. He just seemed a little senile. :grin: I never really though of Ents being to wise. But it is true that it was kinda annoying that he couldnt make dicisions on his own.

[ImDaMom]

I don't think he couldn't make decisions, rather, the ents realized that any decision made would affect all of them. It's a heavy burden to be the leader of any group, especially when leading your fellows possibly into battle or death! And not being "hasty" can indeed be a sign of not senility, but rather great wisdom! Too much blook has been shed because of a quick decision, when a little calm rational thought could have averted problems!

[Amithrellas]

It's not that I don't think JRD did a good job with the voice for Treebeard, it's just that there is a lot of talent out there that languishes for want of an opportunity.

The "hasty" business was in the book, and certainly understandable for the reasons you've listed IDM, and part of Treebeard's wisdom.

My objection was that iin the movie he couldn't make a determination on the hobbits for himself -- it was deferred to Gandalf. He had more than enough reason to march on Isengard for himself -- in the movie it's Merry's "trick" that does it. A number of little things that portray Treebeard lacking wisdom and ability to think for himself

[Lidless Eye]

Eeek I agree with you both I'm so confused!!! lol
What I did hate was that stupid Orc standing on a rock at Helms Deep screaming is head off. It was so annoying. :p

[Amithrellas]

Sorry, LE lol
You know the bit -- Do not go to the Elves for advice, they will say both 'yes' and 'no' ;)

[Eomund]

that uh was the leader....he could have died...

[Naru`vatar]

I liked the Uruk leader, just standing on the large and giving orders and stuff (it would be cool if we saw him making the fire signal for their ballistas) The only thing i dont like is the "Bear-almost" sounds he makes when the uruks are starting to make the wave move with their spears.

[Lidless Eye]

Yeah he does sound like a bear sort of. lol but yeah it is most likely that he does die.

[Gryffonheart]

The torch bearer thing was kinda weird. It was kinda melodramatic, or something. And the way it was done, with the orc running in slow motion, then suddenly speeding up for the last few steps was annoying. It made it dramatic, then suddenly look really funny.

I didn't get the thing between Frodo and Faramir. It was very 'nice' sounding, but what was it about?