Least favorite line from TTT

[Lasgalen]

What is your least favorite line from TTT. Which lines did you find corny, stupid, cheesy etc. There is a thread like this for FotR but not for TTT. IMO TTT had way more bad lines than FotR had.

My least favorite is when Treebeard says "I always like going south. Somehow it feels like going down hill" Just sounds so corny.

I also dislike when Legolas says "A red sun rises... blood has been spilled this night" This just comes from out of nowhere. It's as if Legolas stops, strikes a pose and thinks 'time for me to say another line' and just picks something at random.

I have a few more, but I will let you all have a chance first.

-Lasgalen

[Aragornfan]

Mine is when Aragorn, Legolas and Gimli are tracking Merry and Pippin and they come across the battle scene with all the dead Orcs. Aragorn follows Merry and Pippin's tracks to the edge of Fangorn Forest and Gimli says, "What madness drove them in there!" Well, gee, what do think drove them in there? There was an army of Orcs who wanted to eat the Hobbits for dinner! I think I'd take my chances in the forest too!:mmmm:

[Eorl the Young]

I think Faramir's: Finely we understand eachother Frodo Baggins, was such a stupid line. How could Faramir suddenly understand Frodo? The only thing he did was walking and talking around in that silly "junky-mode". I also think Sam's: Mr Frodo you shouldn't make fun.. I was being serious, was a stupid line for everyone heard in Forod's voice that he was being serious. But probably the worst is Theodens: Draw your swords, at HD. I mean you're about to go into a battle with 10000 orcs and still you need to be reminded that you should draw your sword? roflmao

[Lasgalen]

Hee hee. I thought Faramirs line was pretty silly too.

[Saruman]

Merry's brilliant deduction skills:

Treebeard: Something is about to happen that has not happened for an age... an entmoot.

Merry: What's that?

Treebeard: It is a gathering.

Merry: A gathering of what?

It's called an ENTmoot, for crying out loud!

[Lasgalen]

'Meats back on the menu' was pretty stupid. Something I just don't picture an Orc saying.

-Lasgalen

[Aragornfan]

That's true, Lasgalen. The Orcs probably wouldn't even know what a menu was - how many restaurants are there in Middle Earth?:p :)

[ImDaMom]

Sam's line about Mr. Frodo being serious is really in the books. Pg 322, TTT, The Stairs of Cirith Ungol....."Now, Mr. Frodo, said Sam, "you shouldn't make fun. I was serious." "And so was I,' said Frodo "and so I am."

[A! Elbereth]

I don't like Legolas' lines while they are running after Merry and pippin's trail. Thery are far too obvious and not needed. :rolleyes:

I mean, I don't know half of what's he's saying lol

[Lasgalen]

Yeah. He just stops, throws a pose, and says something off the wall. If Legolas needed more dialog, couldn't it have been something more meaningful?

[Celebrían]

I can see your points, but explaining the significance of a red sunrise was the reason this line was inserted. It ties in with the Uruks being slaughtered the night before (which is why a red sun rose). He [Legolas] says something in the book from which I think those lines were derived, "It is a red dawn. Strange things await us by the eaves of the forest"... and he goes on. Anyway that's where I think they got that line from, and changed it a bit for the movie.

originally posted by Saruman

Treebeard: Something is about to happen that has not happened for an age... an entmoot.

Merry: What's that?

Treebeard: It is a gathering.

Merry: A gathering of what?

It's called an ENTmoot, for crying out loud!

lol Yeah, I see your point, there.... ;) roflmao

[Lasgalen]

hee hee. Maybe he thought there would be a gathering of mushrooms. lol

[TheRingBearer]

Gandalf saying "I am Gandalf the White now" was pretty corny. It's a bit obvious lol

[Elvenwanderer]

Adding to TRB's: "Like we couldn't tell you were White. I don't think we guessed with all that white light... the white hair...the little white ball in your sticky-thing or aw heck.... how about the white clothes. No, we didn't know.... Who are you again? Cause I forgot."

[Celebrían]

Well, I can see where you are coming from, but this line is very similar to the exchange in Fangorn:
"Yes, I am white now"... is the exact quote. ;)

[Lasgalen]

Originally posted by Celebrían
I can see your points, but explaining the significance of a red sunrise was the reason this line was inserted. It ties in with the Uruks being slaughtered the night before (which is why a red sun rose). He [Legolas] says something in the book from which I think those lines were derived, "It is a red dawn. Strange things await us by the eaves of the forest"... and he goes on. Anyway that's where I think they got that line from, and changed it a bit for the movie.
Changed it too much IMO. When Legolas says "A red sun rises... blood has been spilled this night" all I can think of is that blood is spilled somewhere or other every night so what is the point of even saying that.

-Lasgalen

[ImDaMom]

Lasgalen...this was still a time of peace...uneasy peace, but calm nontheless, so we hope that blood is not necessarily spilt every night. Legolas' line IMHO was meant to show the keen empathy of the elves, and to warn them that it was going to be a difficult and dangerous day.

[Gwaihir]

Hey Indamom, I think orc blood is spilled every night! lol

I didn't like the line of Legolas before the battle of Helms Deep when he asked Gimli if he would want his box. That totally ruined the tention before the battle. :(

[Lasgalen]

It wasn't really a time of peace. Just ask those peasant people of Rohan. Also in Gondor, they were having warfare.

[Celebrían]

originally posted by imdamom55

Legolas' line IMHO was meant to show the keen empathy of the elves, and to warn them that it was going to be a difficult and dangerous day.

Once again, I agree with you, imdamom! :thumbs: I didn't think the "red sunrise" line was silly. Although it may have been changed around a bit by the writers, the idea still came from Tolkien, and for me, that's what is most important. :thumbs:

[Galadriel]

I think some of Gimli lines were pretty stupid. Like in the beginning when they are running ang Gimli says keep breathing, thats the key. I mean that just didn't fit in at all. Some of his lines were funny and fit the moment but not this one. It was pointless.

[Lasgalen]

I have a question. If Treebeard went to the White Wizard to find out what Merry and Pippin were, then why did they have an Entmoot for the same thing. If he already found out from the White Wizard, then the line "it is decided that you are not orcs" is a dumb one.

[Winyaél Greenleaf]

Originally posted by Eorl the Young
I think Faramir's: Finely we understand eachother Frodo Baggins, was such a stupid line. How could Faramir suddenly understand Frodo? The only thing he did was walking and talking around in that silly "junky-mode". I also think Sam's: Mr Frodo you shouldn't make fun.. I was being serious, was a stupid line for everyone heard in Forod's voice that he was being serious.

Faramir's line was dumb, but they've messed up his character in TTT anyway :rolleyes:

As for Sam's line, I guess they just wanted to show that humble Sam felt embarrassed by the fact that his master held him in high regard. ;)

[Melian]

Originally posted by Eorl the Young....I think Faramir's: Finely we understand eachother Frodo Baggins, was such a stupid line. How could Faramir suddenly understand Frodo?
I agree, I don't understand this at all. Does he mean that he understands Frodo just from listening to Sam and Frodo talk? That may be, but how does Frodo understand Faramir? I think that there must be some footage that was edited out. Hopefully, we will see it in the extended version. I doesn't make sense the way it is.

[Mirkgirl]

Originally posted by Lasgalen
I have a question. If Treebeard went to the White Wizard to find out what Merry and Pippin were, then why did they have an Entmoot for the same thing. If he already found out from the White Wizard, then the line "it is decided that you are not orcs" is a dumb one. Even the wisest can't tell hehe...
no seriously, that whole thingy with Gandalf recognizing Merry and Pippin was stupid IMO... not to add that after it everything went as if it has never happened... shouldn't be there at all I think, the two hobbits should be able to persuade Treebeard that they're not orcs... plus the mystery who the old man in white was when the three hunters meet him is enough, with all this solemn White Wizard Treebeard thingy it was over the top... sounded like an effect a soap opera would use

[Beleriel]

Ok..... two bits for me.

Legolas: The White Wizard approaches

Aragorn: We must be quick or he will put a spell on us!

THAT is UNBELIEVABLY cheezy and I HATE it... every time I see it it makes me shudder with embarassment for Aragorn.

and...... Sam in Osgiliath....

'do you know why your brother died etc. etc. theres just no WAY that Sam knew anything ABOUT Boromirs death.

OK.. maybe Frodo.... could have told him about Boromir trying to take the ring, but I doubt it dont you? I cant exactly see Frodo dropping it casually into the conversation somewhere.

Sam had not a clue as to why, when or how Boromir had died did he? A MAJOR slip up by the writers there I think......

[ImDaMom]

Do you think, Belerial, that Sam and Frodo walked in silence? Could the conversation not begin as Sam was questioning why Frodo felt he had to slip away without Sam? Certainly not "oh by the way......" but it's completely logical that there was time to discuss the members of the Fellowship. And, I agree about the spell line by Aragorn. It's so out of character. As for Faramir, ( I think this is in another thread, but bear with me) he finally understands Frodo and the incredible will it's taking for Frodo to continue, and the hold the ring has on him, and he's hoping Frodo understands how desperate things are in Gondor after seeing Osgiliath, and what they face. I don't mind that line, because it shows the change of heart Faramir has, and why the story arc ends that way. Yes, they changed his character, but I'm not sure this is the thread for that. (ps....check out my sig)

[Ithielnor]

The two I hated the most were definitely Theoden's "Draw your swords!" (cringe) and Legolas: "The uruks turned northeast. They're taking the hobbits to Isengard."

I'm with ya Bel. Legolas' "white wizard.." was cheesy but more annoying still was his little head bob move there.

[ImDaMom]

But to think about it, no one in the vicinity of a king is permitted to draw his sword, unless the king tells him to. Otherwise, it may be construed as an act of treason.

[Celebrían]

Oh yeah, didn't think about that, ImDaMom. That's true.....

[Beleriel]

Originally posted by ImDaMom
Do you think, Belerial, that Sam and Frodo walked in silence? Could the conversation not begin as Sam was questioning why Frodo felt he had to slip away without Sam? Certainly not "oh by the way......" but it's completely logical that there was time to discuss the members of the Fellowship. And, I agree about the spell line by Aragorn. It's so out of character. As for Faramir, ( I think this is in another thread, but bear with me) he finally understands Frodo and the incredible will it's taking for Frodo to continue, and the hold the ring has on him, and he's hoping Frodo understands how desperate things are in Gondor after seeing Osgiliath, and what they face. I don't mind that line, because it shows the change of heart Faramir has, and why the story arc ends that way. Yes, they changed his character, but I'm not sure this is the thread for that. (ps....check out my sig)

No, Im sure that Frodo and Sam didnt walk in silence. But I would have thought that Frodo would have been reluctant to discuss such a traumatic experience really. Especially as he was changing due to the effect of the ring.

Anyway, its all arbitrary really isnt it? Cos we'll never know! ;) I just thought it was pushing the frame a bit having Sam turn on Faramir with that statement!

[Bonos-Girl]

i really hate the way 'they'r taking the hobbits to isengard' is said....yech yech yech!! plus they say the wrong direction! lol

[Nienna Eledhwen]

I dont like the line that Legolas says when Aragorn arrives back at Helm's Deep:
"you look terrible"
I just think that it sounds sooo corny and unintelligent.... I did however think that Aragorn's lines about Rohan seemed a little odd... a little out of place. You know, the whole "something sets its will against us" line.
I also find that line from Gimli in Helm's Deep odd too: "you could have picked a better spot!" If they have moved over two or three elves to the left, then gimli would have had a clear view... forget about a box, why didnt they just move?!

[Lasgalen]

Originally posted by Nienna Eledhwen

I also find that line from Gimli in Helm's Deep odd too: "you could have picked a better spot!" If they have moved over two or three elves to the left, then gimli would have had a clear view... forget about a box, why didnt they just move?! lol. Everytime I see the movie I think the same thing. Just a little to the left and he could have looked through the slit.

[Rock26]

I liked the "You look terrible," line. What would you prefer he say? "Thou appearest unattractive."?

And while the Gimli thing seems out of character (as did a number of things), I did think it was funny. I will say that they were packed pretty tight on that wall. Maybe it would be a little difficult for them all to move. As always, JMHO.

[Lasgalen]

But they didn't start out packed. Legolas and Gimli could have gotten to the slit in the wall before all the other Elves packed in.

[Rock26]

Agreed. There's really no way to justify it. Pure comic relief to ease the tension.

[Beleriel]

Well, I dont like the way Gimli was reduced to comic relief at all.

In my opinion, this is one serious Dwarf warrior who deserved to be taken seriously. I didnt mind the odd comment at first, but I didnt like the way the comedy element was sustained. I think it detracts from his character. Just my humble opinion. ;)

[Frodo's Love]

I share your opinion, Bel. One or two jokes are okay, and absolutely in such a drak tinted movie, but Gimli turned out to be a sort of jester. :( And his belch in the Golden Halls was absolutely unnecessary in my opinion... ;)

[Elril Galia]

I hate the line

"you will take us to the Black Gates"

it just doesnt sound like Frodo, and it sounds like he's reading it off a card!

I think we ought to discuss properly, what theyve done to Gimli! Coz for me, that has to be the most irritating part of the movie...

[Celebrían]

originally posted by Rock26

I liked the "You look terrible," line. What would you prefer he say? "Thou appearest unattractive."?

lol Very good point.....lol I also liked the line....

[Rock26]

Thank you. In Gimli's case I will agree that, while I don't have a problem with the majority of what he does in the movie, it did take away from the, I don't know, majesty, nobleness, pride perhaps in his heritage. The belch was not needed. Although it would seem to me that table etiquette would not be high on the list of Dwarf priorities.

[Celebrían]

I agree with you totally on the belch. That is a "comic device" that was worn out long ago.....(imho)

[Rock26]

OMG, I can't believe I forgot. My least favorite line HAS to be "Meat's back on the menu, boys!" Ugh. Are you telling me there are menus at Saruman's Evil Bistro? How would Orcs know what a menu is? Actually is kind of a funny thought. Orcs sitting around the bar complaing about their wives, jobs, etc. O.K. three Uruk Hai go into a bar...............

[ImDaMom]

I feel a new thread coming on..."Saruman's Evil Bistro". C'mon in, imagine you're an orc, home from a day in the pits of Barad Dur...what would you talk about? What did you do all day? What are your weekend plans? Maybe a bbq? (And the joke would be...Three uruk hai walk into a bar." "Ouch" lol )

[Celebrían]

lol roflmao That's hysterical! roflmao lol I can see it all now....

[ImDaMom]

How many uruks does it take to change a light bulb???

Who knows? They can't even capture a couple of hobbits with any skill lol

[Celebrían]

lol roflmao lol roflmao lol Oh.....my......gosh.......my sides are hurting........lol

I wasn't crazy about the way Legolas said, "They are taking the hobbits to Isengard!"

The line wasn't so bad....I think it's just the way he said it....it sounded a wee bit over dramatic...imho ;)

[ImDaMom]

By then they should have had a pretty good idea of where the uruks were headed. (and keeping on the stupid joke theme, doesn't that sound like a real set up for a punch line- An elf and man and a dwarf.........)

[Celebrían]

lol Indeed it does! lol

And yeah, they should've known where they were going.....;)

[Lasgalen]

It can be argued that PJ was letting the non-Tolkien reading audience know what was going on. However, he could have gotten the direction right. :rolleyes:

[Celebrían]

Yeah, I can see that, Las...but you're right, they really should've gotten the direction right....

[Beleriel]

as a regular Orc from another site..... I would just like to let you guys know that we DO go to the pub and we DO pull birds... and we DO all the things that you humans do! Honestly! Theres a cracking pub called The Black Head that I go in every week! Theres always lots of totty in there! lol ;)

least favourite line... hmm... let me see...... how about.....

you could have chosen a better spot!

I really REALLY dont like the degeneration of Gimli's character with TOO much humour! :angry:

[Lasgalen]

But do they have Menus at the Black Head pub?

[ImDaMom]

I like Gimli's line about a better spot. It shows how he and Legolas have grown in friendship. YOu can only joke about yourself with a true friend, and considering how estranged they were at first, they've come a long way (and this sets up "would you like me to find you a box" later on, a stupid, pointless but great friendship line)

[Celebrían]

Once again, I totally agree with ImDaMom. ;)

[Rock26]

"Hiiiiiiiiii. My name's Lurtz. I'll be your server today. The special today is a wonderful sauteed filet of Dwarf with pureed Elf intestine. The soup today is cream of Orc who wouldn't take orders. When you're ready to order, just growl."

[ImDaMom]

And today's dessert is the chef's special "crepes ugluk"- crepes served with a maggot coulis sauce

[Lasgalen]

And don't forget the Hobbit drumsticks served with BBQ sauce.

[Rock26]

I can't help it. When I think of this, I picture Lurtz in his servers uniform. Is everyone familiar with the "Hooters" franchise?lol
O.K., I'll quit now.

[Lasgalen]

Oh My Eru. Lurtz in a Hooters uniform :o I think I have gone blind! I need to go to the Green Dragon and have a few :beer: to recover now.

[ImDaMom]

I think someones ALREADY been to the Green Dragon....Lurtz in orange hot pants. Yea, well....in the SEE DVD he was seen wearing a hot pink hair scrunchy, so are orange hot pants such a stretch?? lol

[Celebrían]

Oh gosh.....how did all of this start? :o lol I'm afraid I'll have nightmares....

[Lasgalen]

Umm. I think it had something to do with least fav line of 'Meat's back on the menu'.

[Beleriel]

Originally posted by Lasgalen
And don't forget the Hobbit drumsticks served with BBQ sauce.

Well, to be honest, I like that pub cos they serve Hobbit Noses on the bar ..... for free!!!!! roflmao

oh..... and of course they have a menu..... most varied it is too.

Its a good place to go on a Friday night. lol

Imdamom...... I really dont like that Gimli line, 'you could have chosen a better spot' I really dont like that whole sequence.

Dont you think it wears thin? Sarcasm from an elf?? :o

The jump up to look over the wall was enough for me. And if it was to display Leggy's friendship with him, it would've been better if he had just lifted him up to see! Thats more LIKE what a friend would do! in my opinion! lol

[ImDaMom]

Can you see a dwarf, as proud as Gimli, letting an ELF lift him? It was hard enough for him, in the heat of battle, to let Aragorn "toss" him. I liken Gimli's character to Merry's line in ROTK...." It is the the way of my people to use light words at such times and say less than they mean. We fear to say too much. It robs us of the right words when a jest is out of place."
(Houses of Healing, pg 146)

And...ps....do Hobbit noses come with hot sauce, blue cheese and celery? That's the only way to enjoy them lol

[Beleriel]

Nah, this is NOT a sophisticated establishment ... theres just bowls of em for us to snack on while we wait for our drinks!

Im not saying Gimli would have let him lift him up, I just think it would have been a spontaneous thing that Legolas might have done if you see what I mean!

[ImDaMom]

Ya, he might have....but could you see the way Gimli would have reacted? A quick kick in the elf's jewels may have been the result. lol

And my favorite bar snacks are dwarf fingers with honey mustard dipping sauce :drool:

[Beleriel]

Well, I cant help thinking ImDaMom that THAT would have been sooo much funnier! and far less stilted...... much more likely to happen between close friends...... don t you think?

Dwarf fingers?? Arent they a bit erm.....chewy? roflmao

[ImDaMom]

Come to think of it, it WOULD have been funnier. Not that Legolas would have found it too amusing ;)

[Lasgalen]

Believe me. Messing with the jewels is never ok. Even among close friends.

[Rock26]

This thread just keeps sinking lower and lower and lower.........

[ImDaMom]

Ya gotta love it, tho :naughty:

[Celebrían]

Oh my.....I would have to agree, Rock26. :rolleyes: lol

I really don't have a line that I just absoltely hated....the only thing that I thought was out of place would be Gimli's belch.

[Rock26]

Alright, I'm moving on. One line which doesn't bother me, but seemed out of whack in the movie was when Gimli asks for Eomer's name, Eomer threatens to cut his head off. For just asking his name? Was it that way in the book? I can't remember. If so someone in Middle Earth needs to invent decaf. Sheesh.

[Beleriel]

That line is directly from the book.

Eomer was bound to be tense though. They were at war and he WAS patrolling in an area he had been told not to! (in the book) so he was prolly on Red alert.... so to speak.

[Lasgalen]

I love the way Aragorn rolls his eyes when Gimli asks for Eomer's name.

[ImDaMom]

And the WAY Gimli asks....I think that ticks off Eomer more than someone just asking his name would (and Las...I agree- I love Aragorn's reaction to that comment, like "Good Eru...here he goes again")

[Rock26]

Thanks. Goes to show those Rohirrim can be a surly bunch. But then again, you're probably not in the best mood after you've just put an Orc head on a stick. (By the way, not a line, but I didn't like the way that Orc head's tounge was sticking out. Kind of cheesy IMO.)

[ImDaMom]

But right from the book.. JRR could be a little cheesy at times

[Rock26]

Its tongue sticking out was right from the book? I don't remember that.

[Rosolas]

I think Theoden's Winston Churchill speech at the end was a bit naff!! Sorry but I can't remember the exact words at the moment, but it is something like .........
"The Battle of Helm's Deep is over, the Battle for Middle Earth has begun".

[Rock26]

I think that was a Gandalf line.

[Rosolas]

Well whoever said it, my personal opinion is that it was a "naff" line!

[Arninquelote]

I loathe Aragorn's line "let's go hunt some orc". It reminds me of an Arnold Schwarzenegger(sp?) movie. I keep waiting for him to say hasta la vista baby next....;)

[Ereinion]

"Yourrr frriends are with you AAAAraaaagorn". Oh my gosh! since when is Legolas an overgrown Dwarf? Is that why he like Gimli so much? Are they long lost brothers? lol

[Elenwë]

Originally posted by Rock26
Thanks. Goes to show those Rohirrim can be a surly bunch. But then again, you're probably not in the best mood after you've just put an Orc head on a stick. (By the way, not a line, but I didn't like the way that Orc head's tounge was sticking out. Kind of cheesy IMO.)

That was quite cheesy but still it was in the book.

It's not that i dodn't like the line, it's the way Legolas sai "they're taking the hobbits to Isengard" it sounded like he was overreacting about it, and it was very often in him. I also dodn't like the line "something sets its will against us" said by Aragorn, it was... i don't know kind of silly, but a similiar expression is written in the book.

I agree with many of you, i did not like the way in which Gimli was reduced to a comic character, it's not fair with dwarves, it's ok one joke or two, maybe three... but that was too much from him.

And the line i HATE most is :"keep breathing... that's the key". I mean, dear Gimli if you don'r breath maybe you would die, so keep doing it... duh!!!!.

[Lasgalen]

Yeah. lol And talking about it is wasting breath lol.

[Elenwë]

LOL OH YES IT WAS!

[ImDaMom]

Obviously, you are not 200+ years old. When you get old (like me and the dwarves) sometimes it's IMPORTANT to remind yourself to breathe. lol Especially when you're exercising:p

[Ithielnor]

lol

In Fangorn when Aragorn asks Legolas "What do you see?" I never could stand this. In an open area it would fit but I don't think elves can see through a tree any better than a human. (Just take that camera away from OB for a sec would ya? :p )

[Ereinion]

lol One might think Elves have a Superman vision....

[Lasgalen]

It was dark in Fangorn. Maybe Aragorn has trouble with night vision? :p:grin: :rolleyes:

[ImDaMom]

The line "What do your elf eyes see" annoys me, but I'm not sure why. It just sounds stupid (as if he has other eyes somewhere????)

[Elenwë]

lol

[Lasgalen]

Yeah, I agree. He's an Elf! What other kind of eyes would he have, Hobbit eyes? And he's been an Elf for the whole movie, so why do we need reminding?

[Ithielnor]

Hmm... maybe for those viewers who never saw the first one?

Ofcourse this has probably already been mentioned but...
"The Uruks turned north-east, they're taking the hobbits to Isengard." Argh! East indeed.
Or the infamous: "Draw your swords!"

Something else that struck me during a recent viewing of TTT was that the Rohan guys yell "FIRE" at HD. I don't know when this term came into use as an order to shoot, but I don't think it was before firearms (thinking matchlocks here). Perhaps someone who knows about that could enlighten me.

[Aranel of Mirkwood]

My least favourite line is probably "I am Gandalf the White now"

Like that isn't obvious. Just like Merry asking what an Entmoot is a gathering of.

On the other hand my favourite is any Legolas line

The line "What do your elf eyes see" annoys me, but I'm not sure why. It just sounds stupid (as if he has other eyes somewhere????)

Yep thats true. He is an elf what else would his eyes be????

[Lobelia Celebrian]

First things first:
the line by the Orcs : "meats back on the menu boys" was kindof silly. I didn't really like that.

But I have some comments and referrals as to the lines that many of you chose to ridicule and demote :::
1) "A red sun rises. Blood has been spilled this night" (Legolas) --- The "red sun rises" part is pointing out the fact that Elves are magical and they speak to the Earth (which can be found in any explaination in the books). The "blood has been spilled" part is referring to the battle the night before. And it is of such importance to them because they are searching for Merry and Pippin and they fear that the blood may be the blood of their friends!
2) "I think we finally understand each other Frodo Baggins" (Faramir) --- This is a hard one to explain, but I'm going to point this out as infantile as possible for those of you who didn't catch it with Faramir's expression. Faramir is letting Frodo go. And in this scene he is expressing to Frodo that he understands (not his "feelings and his burden") what it is that Frodo carries and why it is that he carries it. Faramir realizes that the Ring is Frodo's burden alone. And as Faramir watches his city fall, he feels and understands Frodo's need to rid Middle-Earth of the Ring.
3) "Keep Breathing" (Gimli) --- This to me is one of the most obvious lines in the movie and for someone to say that it is a stupid line is beyond me. Keep breathing is obviously Gimli's refrence to "don't give up". No matter how tired he is, he will keep going.
4) "I am Gandalf the White" (Gandalf) --- The color of the Wizard is the reflection of the magic, the power, and the spirit that he holds. Saruman used to be White, but then later becomes "Saruman of many colors" (to show that he had lied and cheated and stole from his best). When Gandalf is Grey it is showing that he is still a student of Wizards (and some might think it even refers to his "holding back" of certain powers that he has). When Gandalf turns White, it is showing that he is now the better part of Saruman, and he is pure and true.
5) "I was being serious Mr. Frodo" (Samwise) --- This is the simplest line to decifer. Because it shows that while Sam's mind is in a state of imagining that the world will one day hear his stories, Frodo's mind is in a state of knowing that the world will one day hear of Samwise the Brave.

I find it incredibly insulting as a LOTR fan to actually have to defend several movie lines of such elloquence and obvious importance. Half of what makes the movies as heart-wrenching as they are is the simplicity and yet deep meaning that each and every line holds. Half of each of these movies and there lines is, the way in which the lines are expressed. Not just the words that are said. When Faramir expresses to Frodo that they "finally understand each other", take a second look - open your eyes and your heart - and listen. There's alot more to be heard (in every character and every line) than just a voice.


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"...May the blessings of Elves, and Men, and all free folk go with you..."

"...All that is gold does not glitter all those who wander are not lost..."

[Ivyetta]

Thank you, Lobelia Celebrian.

[ImDaMom]

Lobelia...First off, welcome to WOTR. We do love great discussions, and it's a really friendly spot. While your points are well taken (and if you read back, you'll find many of us have thought thru Faramir's lines in particular already) you are a little harsh in condemning some of the thoughts concerning the lines. I am an extreme fan, but sometimes we all find little bits that just don't ring true. I mean really- "Elf eyes" ???? lol

[Lobelia Celebrian]

To "ImDaMom" : I admire your honesty with me (about being a little harsh). I can understand how I might have come off a little defensive, but to be honest I am defensive about this subject. And while the Faramir was "rethoought", it was not explained and the other lines (which I defended) were not understood. I just felt that someone should be explaining the expression [of these certain lines] that obviously people didn't quite catch up on.

[Lasgalen]

Originally posted by Lobelia Celebrian
This is a hard one to explain, but I'm going to point this out as infantile as possible for those of you who didn't catch it with Faramir's expression. That was completely uncalled for. No one is forcing you to post here. If, however, you do wish to share your opinions with us, could you please do so in a less insulting manner.

[Lobelia Celebrian]

To Lasgalen :
I do apologize if I may have come off a little harsh in trying to defend the lines that you all seemed to degrade with such passion. But do not think that I am apologizing for anything that I said, it is my expression. And (I'm sorry to have to say this, but) those of you who had the audasity to insult such provokative lines as "I think we finally understand each other Frodo Baggins" and "keep breathing" - do come off as a bit "infantile" (to me at least). And like Boromir, I'm very expressive of my feelings and very defensive of what I know is right in my mind. I will not apologize for defending the expression and meanings of each line.

[ImDaMom]

There is no dishonor in expressing your opinions, Lobelia. Never hide your opinions or your beliefs, if you choose to stand for them. However, in my many many years defending beliefs that may sometimes be unpopular have led me to the inevitable conclusion that courtesy (and accurate spelling) are key to inspiring others. Las was not condemning your thoughts, simply your delivery. Please be sure to show others the same courtesy.

[ImDaMom]

Now....back on topic ;) A line that, while I don't hate, just confuses me...."He will put a spell on us". It just doesn't ring true coming from Aragorn. In the text, the line is a little fuller, and, coming from Gimli, makes a little more sense.

[Ivyetta]

"...You have no power here, Gandalf the Grey." Yeah, just wait and see, Saruman....

"What about their legs,.. they don't need those..." ooohhhh that makes me shiver!

"...To War!.......There will be no dawn for Man." Oh, if I came face to face with him! verymad ! (then again, he could kill me :( )

".......AAAHHHHCCCHHH!!!......" by Uruk-hai number 283,547 (hehehe!)

[ImDaMom]

AAAHHHCCCHHH- one of my favorite lines. What's wrong with that one, Ivy??? lol

[Ivyetta]

Well, a lot could be said without words ;) Besides, number 283,547 didn't sound to positive! roflmao

Hey, and thanks for calling me Ivy, that's exactly what my friends would call me :)

[Rock26]

Easy there, Lobelia. While I have no problem with some of the lines, you certainly can't call someone audacious just because they have a different opinion. That's what these forums are for.

[Goldberry]

Hi, I wanted to post several thoughts here about what's being said in this thread. First, I absolutely love the books LOTR, and also the movies, and would defend them forever. But occasionally there are little parts of both that seem rather silly or odd to me after so many viewing & readings. Part of me doesn't even want to dwell on those thoughts because I would never, never want to criticize anything to do with LOTR. But.... just like we all know our own personal quirks & faults, & quirks & faults of loved family members & friends, I don't think it is disrespectful to mention them or have a little fun with them. Tolkien,himself, in his book of letters & various interviews, has made statements about part of the story that he isn't terribly fond of. Peter Jackson, in the commentary on FOTR, also jokes around about certain aspects of the film that he isn't sure really works or might be corny.

Now, to the phrase about What do your elf eyes see? That phrase is used often in the books. But, I have to admit, that I cringed a little bit hearing it on the screen, because it does seem rather odd & redundant. But that is how the characters talked in the books, and I think this might be a time when their speech didn't carry over well in a movie. But, it is an attempt by PJ to bring in references to the books, for the readers of the book. Just like in FOTR, when Pippin says "Shortcut to Mushrooms", is a reference to the chapter in FOTR that is basically left out of the movie.:)

[Ithielnor]

I agree to an extent Goldberry. On the plains of Rohan the line was alright. but I don't like it when it appears in Fangorn forest. I can understand Legolas being able to espie(sp?) the Uruks out in the open, distance and all. But in the forest it's treated almost like a sixth sense, it's like he is able to feel 'Sarumon' aproaching. This just seems like a play on Tolkiens intent to me.

[ImDaMom]

And, while we're on the subject of elf eyes, is anyone else bothered by the scene, after "A red sun rises." ? We see the 3 running across a flat area, Aragorn looks at the ground, and then hears, and sees, Eomer and his Eored coming. Now- in the first place, they were so close, why didn't Aragorn hear them and in the second, with his wonderful elf eyes, why didn't Legolas SEE them before they were almost on top of them? Aragorn pointed them out to Leggy. Makes me wonder if elfy eyes forgot his contacts that am. lol

[Melian]

Re: "elf-eyes"-- from the book
On the plains of Rohan .....Legolas stood beside him, shading his bright elven-eyes with his long slender hand.....,from Aragorn on the plains of Rohan..."Keen are the eyes of the Elves".
and from Gimli in Fanghorn forest.....Where? I have not elf-eyes.
So the words "elf-eyes" are directly from the book, but not in that context. Peter Jackson has taken many lines and phrases directly from the book, but he seems to like to give them to other characters to say.

[ImDaMom]

And that's part of the charm of these films. I may make light of the elf eyes comment, but "It is the way of my people to use light words at such times and asy less than they mean. We fear to say too much. It robs us of the right words when a jest is out of place." (maybe I should have saved that for the "Who Said It" thread lol )

Actually, one of my favorite PJ-isms in giving other characters lines, is the whole Grima speech to Eowyn in Edoras (about being caged, a hutch to trammel some wild thing) He made that speech so evil, yet it was said, very tenderly, by Gandalf in the Houses of Healing in the book. An excellent example of PJ's love of the books.

[Lasgalen]

My fav PJism is when Haldir says the Dwarf breaths so loud when really it was Sam. It works so well in the movie to have it be Gimli instead of Sam.

[Celebrían]

Originally posted by ImDaMom
And, while we're on the subject of elf eyes, is anyone else bothered by the scene, after "A red sun rises." ? We see the 3 running across a flat area, Aragorn looks at the ground, and then hears, and sees, Eomer and his Eored coming. Now- in the first place, they were so close, why didn't Aragorn hear them and in the second, with his wonderful elf eyes, why didn't Legolas SEE them before they were almost on top of them? Aragorn pointed them out to Leggy. Makes me wonder if elfy eyes forgot his contacts that am. lol

Very, very good point Im...seems to be a bit of a film flub there...

[HobbitFriend]

lol yeah! And right after Aragorn points that out to Legolas, he then asks him to look waaayy off in the distance to see where the Uruk-Hai are! :p I think they made a bit of a mistake there... It's like this whole army is right in front of them, and here comes this group of blind men: *Aragorn presses ear to the ground* "Hey, I think i can feel the earth shaking! ..ssh... what's that noise?" Gimli: "I have the eyes of a hawk and the ears of a fox." Legolas: "man, i'm totally confused." Aragorn: "Oh no! A whole group of riders is coming! Let's cut in front of them and hide like they never saw us, okay?" roflmao

And that whole "Legolas, what do your elf eyes see..." line was kinda corny :p But I think the whole point in that was just showing the "non-reader" audience that Elves can see for great distances... It's not that Aragorn is going blind and Legolas has superior vision lol Just like Sam makes a comment to Frodo when they reach the Black Gate: "I doubt even these elvish cloaks would hide us in there." It's like letting the people know that no... they didn't magically turn into a rock, but the Elvish cloak turned the color of the rocks to camouflage them to look like one. :p

[ImDaMom]

OK HF, we'll give you those explanations. lol

[Goldilocks Underhill]

I don't know wh, but I love the quote:
'They do not see what lies ahead, when sun has faded and moon is dead.' It's Gollum who said it!!

[HobbitFriend]

oo i know... i like the way he says it: chilling! :hyper:

but this is a LEAST favorite line thread ;) hehe and right now i can't think of any least favorite lines.... will come back later :p

[Ivyetta]

lol, That little "hyper" smiley is one of the funniest things I have ever seen!: :hyper:...lol roflmao

But back to the subject: Now, I don't know if this would apply, and I apologize if it doesn't, but, when Merry and Pippin escape, I wish they would have done it like in the book; how the orc Grishnakh is slowly searching for the Ring on Merry and Pippin, and Pippin realizes that, and he whispers, "I don't think you will find it that way, it isn't easy to find."

I'm sorry if this doesn't relate to the topic, but I wish they would have put that in the movie. I LOVE the way the escape is in the movie, but I don't know why they left that out. That would have been sooo good.

I guess for that to relate to the topic, I would have to say: I don't like the way they left that line out of the movie," even though I love that line, ;).

Again, I apologize if this has just taken up room, :grin:.

Oh, and ImDaMom, that picture of Aragorn next to your name is so good. He is so good-lookin', ;). I'm glad you put it there, it's very entertaining, :blush:.

[TheRingBearer]

Most of Merry's lines I didn't really like. Not so much the lines, just the way he said them, which is a shame.

[Friend of Maglor]

Leggy lines: ok, Las youre right!! all the guy does is throw a pose and spit out diolouge!!!!
but.... mind you..... it has to be nice wise-sounding-to the -ignorant- elf wisdom none the less!! like his beautiful "you are all going to die!"

ok..... first of all, when has Leggy ever made a quote relevent to the situation besides this?? it throws you off a bit..... and second of all, when has he ever shown the least bit of actual concern for the Rohirim up to this point!?!?

And all of Pippin's dialouge to Treebeard.... his "plan"

[Goldilocks Underhill]

I didn't like Frodo yelling to Sam. Oké, it's not a quote. I just wanted to tell the world.
I didn't like Grima either, so I don't like what he says too. Saruman is way too funny to hate. lol ok, I hate him.

[Friend of Maglor]

but he is soo funny when he falls backwards in that one scene!!!! and i hate grima's delivery too........

[Goldilocks Underhill]

Yeah, and in the scene (felowship of the ring), when Gandalf and Saruman were fighting was sooo funny lol
It was just like two grandpa's who were fighting for their fals teeth... hèhè

[Friend of Maglor]

roflmao
great comparison Goldie lol lol lol

[Aravail]

i dont like "a red sun rises... blood has been spilt this night" :(

[ImDaMom]

But I love Grima's delivery...especially the line to Eowyn about "the bower closing in around you". It's so evil, yet so caring. Very Shakespearian

[Aravail]

yes i like his whole "war mungering" thing (or whatever he says lol)

[Ithielnor]

Watching TTT again, at home this time. I've decided that my absolute least favorite line is Theoden's "Draw your swords!" I know it's been mentioned before but it is the one line which makes me cringe the most every time I hear it.

[Goldberry]

Ok, after watching the TTT DVD, it still bugs me when Gandalf says: "Gandalf, yes Gandalf was my name"(or something like that) when we know he must have had some conversation with Merry,Pippin & Treebeard earlier in the movie. Did he forgot his name again? :naughty:

I also don't like the line that Theoden says to Aragorn: "Now let us draw our swords together". Didn't they fight together against the warg riders?

(you know, part of me feels guilty for even these little remarks because I do love the movie so much. Is that nuts?,9roflmao

[Lasgalen]

No, that is not nuts. I understand how you feel. I love the movies, too. But certain lines still bug me. Especially "meats back on the menu"

[Ithielnor]

Well Goldberry, the sad thing about both those lines is that they come from the books. But with PJ's additions and rearrangement they don't have the same meaning. They, infact, sound like bloopers.

[A! Elbereth]

I don't like Legolas' lines when he is running across Middle Earth looking for Merry and Pippin. His random comments like 'A red sun rises. Blood was spilt this night' and another one I can't understand are too obvious and... a little off, if you know what I mean.

Everytime I hear it I cringe, lol

[Goldilocks Underhill]

I hate it when Legolas said: Damn, you bloody pirates!! Curse you!!
Erm, wasn't that in another movie?!

[Lasgalen]

I agree with you A! E. Legolas is one of my fav characters, but the way he says those lines, its like his timing is off or something. They seem so out of place and out of the blue.

[Aravail]

:why cant we have some meats?" pfbbt

[Arninquelote]

I don't really object to any of the actual lines in TTT, but I have to reluctantly admit that Legolas speaks Elvish as though he is gargling a golf ball.

[Lasgalen]

Yeah. Its pretty sad when the Man speaks better Elvish than the Elf.

[Friend of Maglor]

lol lol lol it sounds like morris code to me
especially that line in FOTR...........

[Lady Melanie]

lol lol lol lol

[Ivyetta]

I love the way Orlando Bloom portrayed Legolas Greenleaf in every way. I don't quite understand how you could laugh at him. But I know, it's just a difference of opinion, and I accept that. But I'm sure you all understand the rage you feel inside when someone laughs at your friend....I wish I had better words to defend him, but I don't. I'm sure he understands....

Please understand that I mean no offence. I just had to let that out.....

[Arninquelote]

Ivyetta

If I'd explained myself a little more clearly you would have been able to see that I was not laughing at Orlando Bloom, but making an observation about his difficulty in pronouncing Elvish speech. I'm sorry if my comment hurt your feelings, and that I couched my comment in such blunt terms. Seriously, I do feel that Orlando Bloom has difficulty delivering lines with the poise and polish that some of the more experienced actors in the films do. I feel this is because he is still unsure of himself, and not quite comfortable with assimilating other accents. I feel that his ability to produce a more convincing verbal performance will grow as he grows in experience. However, I do strongly believe that Orlando Bloom was the right person for the part of Legolas. His physical presence is perfect for the part, and he gives a wonderfully convincing protrayal of the lightness, grace, swiftness and hidden strength of an elf. He is only young, and has many years to perfect his art. I'm sure that as he develops as an actor, he will do so.

Arni x

[Aravail]

wow that was a very descriptive paragraph ;)

[Friend of Maglor]

hehehe I just think he is a little stiff and not as natural as an actor...

*looks at Aravail's siggy* OMGOSH!!!!! now I have to put one in mine, Jerythfp rox!!!!!*

[Radagast]

I actually liked the lines the orcs said.. Meat back on the menu.... and that stuff. I think it gives "Non-tolkien readers a clear image of what orcs are.. .. EVIL"

I would have loved to see some more dialog from Legolas and Gimli in-stead of Legolas constaintly spelling out "one-liners" and "That must be one of the Maeras, unless my eyes are cheated by some spell?" now... what was that alle about?

The friendship between Legolas and Gimli could have been shown more...

[Lady Melanie]

Hopefully we will see more of the developing friendship between Gimli and Legolas in the EE. Legolas's one-liners are a bit stupid. They both could have had more lines.:elfeek:

[Aravail]

Originally posted by Friend of Maglor
*looks at Aravail's siggy* OMGOSH!!!!! now I have to put one in mine, Jerythfp rox!!!!!*
lol i LUV jerrythefrog!!! i really wanna see the ROTK one!
*cough* i liked gimli and legolas's competiotion ;)

[Goldberry]

I also likethe Orc's line about "meats back on the menu", It is gross but emphasizes the icky orcs. And Legolas' line when he sees Shadowfax just doesn't seem right. That is straight from the book also & I appreciate PJ putting in dialogue from the books, but it you haven't read the books, how would you know what the MAERAS are?

I hope we do see more dialogue between Gimli & Legolas but neither say much but I don't think they do in the books either, except for the parts when they are talking about visiting Fangorn Forest & the Glittering Caves. Those parts probably wouldn't be in ROTK. When Legolas says more than a few words, he does sound better, like in Lothlorien when he comments on the Lament for Gandalf. :grin:

[Radagast]

You said it Goldberry!

[Morgothian]

"looks like meats back on the menu boys" that was a dumb line an uruk hai wouldnt say something like that shame on who ever wrote that PJ or who ever else.

[Friend of Maglor]

hehehe *points at sig*

i have been reading them 4 ever!! lol
i like the POTC one, seen it?

[Radagast]

Morgothian you are right.. it does not seem like something a uruk' would say but... i think it gives a clear image of what these Uruk's are and how evil they are... so i like the line...especially for the people who have'nt read Lotr.. i saw it with a friend... and he said to me right after hearing the line.. he said: "Mand! De er ret onde de Uruk-hai'er hva.. Det anede jeg slet ikke.... " thats what he said.. (he's danish to) Translated it means: "Man, The are pretty mean/evil thoes Uruk-hais?!?! I had no idea..."

But surely enough "Menú" is not a word an Uruk would say... imagine Úgluk stopping and saying...
"Hmm - This Orcish delicatesse would be much better than the not quite so good Hors Deurvre's we have been eating this few days.. should we pack a doggy bag so we have some delightful Orc to supper?"

[Lady Melanie]

I have watched TT again! :) and have decided that my least favourite line is Gimli outside Fargorn forest saying: "What madness drove them in there?"
I mean hello? Look behind you, there is a pile of dead orcs who wanted to eat them. Just maybe they were trying to escape and didn't know that they were going into Fargorn?:huh:

I also found it really funny when Legolas stops, strikes a pose and says "A Red sun rises......"roflmao You would think that he would say it while running to help his friends!

[Radagast]

Yeah... Those are some crazy lines to.. he he.. but still.. i dont have a problem with any of the lines everyone mentioned... i think its ok..

[Lady Melanie]

You mean to tell me that you liked every single line everyone spoke?:elfeek:

[Radagast]

hmm -
Sméagol: "Go away."

Gollum: "Go away?! Ahahhaa!"

Sméagol: "I hate you, I hate you!"

he he.. joke joke..

[Lady Melanie]

So is that you're offical least favourite line?

[Radagast]

No no, it was a joke... (No one understands danish humor).... ******!

[Lady Melanie]

roflmao roflmao roflmao roflmao roflmao roflmao roflmao roflmao roflmao roflmao roflmao roflmao roflmao roflmao

[Friend of Maglor]

hey i like the danish humor Radagast


*momentary pause * owwwwwwwwwwwwwwww......... what are my hands DOING!?!?!?!?!


sorry, circulatory problem :huh:
personally, i didnt like the "go away" line for Gollum the first time, ive gotten over it now tho...

[Goldilocks Underhill]

danish humor? is that a new sort of word?

[Radagast]

No... Ironi "Is" danish humor.. i think Serkis performance at that point "I Hate you" is amazing... absolutly brilliant.

[Lady Melanie]

Its "Irony" Radagast.;) I also think that Serkis is really good at the I hate you point as well. The only thing that bothers me is that he changes facial expression really quickly. Maybe he is seeing the bad "Gollum" in his mind?:huh: :huh: :huh:

[HobbitFriend]

speaking of Gollum... i thought it was kinda weird how he said, "Yes, yes! That is their name!" referring to the Dead Marshes. I mean, there's nothing wrong with the line itself... but the way he said it... i dunno... it just sounded weird to me :huh:

[ImDaMom]

I think Gollum may not want the hobbits to dwell on the name. It just sounds too creepy, and he's relying on them following him, without question. It's almost as if he is dismissing the question, like it's not really important what they are called.

[Radagast]

I think ImDaMom is right.. I think he says it like...

Yes'yes, thats their name... carry on hurry...

Like he says it really quick...

[ImDaMom]

I already know what my least favorite line will be from ROTK- "Well, Im back" only because it means it's all over!!! :mecry:

[Lasgalen]

I just hope there won't be too many other "least favorite lines".

[Radagast]

That will be so sad!!! Well, I'm back" sad, but beautyful in a way....

A least favorite line in TTT maybe... Treebeard - "Ohhh...." he he joke..

[Lasgalen]

Speaking of Treebeard, I hate it when he says "I always like going south. Somehow it feels like going down hill"

[Radagast]

Why do you hate that? I like that actually...

I think its a symbol of how much Nature there is in him...

[Ereinion]

My least favorite lines from TTT were:
~ Aragorn's "Gondor will answer"....It proved me how unintelligent the future king of Gondor really is...
~ Sam's Gone With The Wind speach - compleletly misplased and unnesesarry....
~ Theoden / Saruman's "If I go Theoden dies" - to much Exorsist-ish...

That's it for now...

[Radagast]

I do not agree sorry....

Gondor will answer..... He does not know that Gondor is under attack by Mordor... Gandalf has'nt told him...

Sam speech.... Is indeed nesesarry... It summon's everything up... all lose ends are tied together.... and its great acting to... it tells what they have to go thriugh and why they must not fail.

If I go Theoden dies... its not a good line... but how would you have made it? You have to tell the audience that Theoden dies if Sauruman is removed... with words ?

[Ivyetta]

Thank you, Radagast, :).......

[Lasgalen]

Originally posted by Radagast
Why do you hate that? I like that actually...

I think its a symbol of how much Nature there is in him... Because it is a silly line. What difference does it make what direction he walks? It should depend on the incline of the land, not the direction.

[ImDaMom]

Of course, but we all feel sometimes like heading south is going down...just a little bit of entish humor, I thought.

As far as "Gondor will answer" proving "unintellegence" I think maybe it proves that Aragorn believed in the continued support of Gondor. He's unaware how desperate things are there, and as the future king of Gondor, he's right in supposing that they will support the old alliance.

Sams speech- while placed differently, it is in the books in a shorter version, and completely shows how much Sam believes in their mission, and what they hope to accomplish. Sam is a simple hobbit, and his world is best explained thru stories and legends, so that is how he would view their predicament.

Theoden dies.....again, I have to agree with Radagast. It is simply showing the hold Saruman has on Theoden, and how powerful S is. It also gives Gandalf a chance to show that he knew S was behind the whole balrog incident, and that he (G) is back and stronger than ever.

[HobbitFriend]

Originally posted by ImDaMom
Of course, but we all feel sometimes like heading south is going down...just a little bit of entish humor, I thought. I agree... it's just the way the mind works -- you hear "south," you think down... ;) I mean, the line wasn't totally necessary, but hey, why not! :p

Sams speech- while placed differently, it is in the books in a shorter version, and completely shows how much Sam believes in their mission, and what they hope to accomplish. Sam is a simple hobbit, and his world is best explained thru stories and legends, so that is how he would view their predicament.
ooooo I totally agree, IDM! I LOVED Sam's speech! -- if you're referring to the one at Osgiliath... I thought it was very emotional and tied up The Two Towers very nicely! :thumbs:

[Ereinion]

Originally posted by Radagast
I do not agree sorry....

Gondor will answer..... He does not know that Gondor is under attack by Mordor... Gandalf has'nt told him...

Sam speech.... Is indeed nesesarry... It summon's everything up... all lose ends are tied together.... and its great acting to... it tells what they have to go thriugh and why they must not fail.

If I go Theoden dies... its not a good line... but how would you have made it? You have to tell the audience that Theoden dies if Sauruman is removed... with words ?


~ Boromir told everybody at the Council how desperate things in Gondor were...Was Aragorn not listening?

~Sam's speach - I didn't like it not because just what he said, but also the way he said it...I don't like Sean Astin's Sam very much, maybe that's one of the reason to dislike his Scarlet O'Hara impression..

~ There sould be no Saruman being removed.... He is not the Satan and Theoden no little girl... It was a stupid and completly unnesessary scene...

All of the above is my humble opinion only...:grin:

[Radagast]

But Erenion its the simple nature of things that humans make mistakes... Aragorn was listening to Boromir, but Aragorn has that much hope in his own people that, he comes to believe that they can help... And if you remember it, was not Gondor who could'nt help, it was Theoden that refused..

I dont agree with you (again) regarding the speech... but that is your opinion.. I say.. "Great Acting" and well placed!"...

What you are saying about Saruman and Theoden... well Saruman is the one of the most powerfull(if you fail to count me in) Wizards sent my the wise, Theoden is nothing more but a king.. Wether or not the scene was in Tolkien's Book.. I dont know, but if it is in the Book... you are disagreeing with the Supreme being.. :) If it is not in the Book... you need to show the audience that Theoden IS NOT ABLE TO LEAD HIS PEOPLE.... and its not because he has the Flu' but because Sauruman wants to kill his people....

This is Fact.

[ImDaMom]

Many many things have had to be added for non-book readers to "get it". The showdown between Gandalf and Saruman thru Theoden was one.
As for Sam's speech- comparing it to Scarlett is all fiddle dee dee. (to use a Scarlett-ism). Scarlett was in a situation that she didn't like, after being a spoiled pampered little b^&*(^ch. She manipulated men, lied, cheated and stole to get what she wanted, all in the name of Scarlett. Sam is working to support his master, the hobbit he looks up to and respects, in the time of their greatest fears. HIs speech, while a tad melodramatic, is no more than trying to build their courage, and convince themselves that they must go on...they are small little cogs in a great machine. Sam is an unschooled hobbit, and songs and stories are all he ever had to learn from- it's entirely proper that he should couch phrases into such forms. And, as Radagast mentioned, you are arguing with "The Supreme Being", JRR himself. :notworthy:

[Radagast]

Do not, mess with the supreme beign notworthy

[Ereinion]

I am not arguing, just expressing my opinions and thoughts... The fact that I found Sam's speach and Theoden's exorsism distasteful, doesn't mean I'm trying to make anybody else think the same....Tis only my personal opinions.... Also, I always believed critisism to be a good thing.... Dislike of some scenes doesn't say that I don't like LOTR, I'm just not eccapting everything blindly... I'm sorry if my personal opinions are hurtful to you, Radagst and IDM....

[Radagast]

No no Dear Erenion.. its just me being so narrow minded... I totally respect your opinions... I just wanted it explained some more.

[Ereinion]

And I totally respect the opinions of all others! That is what's so wonderful in having alot of diffenrent people with different opinions in the world..... It makes life much more interesting!

[ImDaMom]

I also find discussions like this enjoyable. I was not trying to change your thoughts, only expressing my own. Any opinions that would change with just an opposing post or two are not opinions worth having.

[Radagast]

Yes, its great to share theese opinions... then those with different opinions can tell everyone how they felt about something without being made an A**

The Will of free Speech.. Hurra..... and for those not willing to accept different opinions.... hmm... you should learn...

:fanboy:

[Ivyetta]

Forgive me for the intrusion, but,
I don't post here often, because I love every line in the movie, :grin:. But, I read some of the recent posts; and the way that Radagast, Ereinion, and ImDaMom each voiced their opinions; and then replyed to let the other know that they accepted the others opinion was wonderful. To have different opinions, yet to accept them no matter how much you dissagree with them; or wish that the other did not feel that way; is a hard thing to do......yet it is possible. And I hope that it is all done with Good intention.......

Acceptance brings Peace......

"...I know what I must do.....it's just.....I'm afraid to do it...."
"...Even the smallest person can change the course of the Future..."


(I love these lines by the way, :grin: )

[Radagast]

He he... Nice of you to stop by dear Ivyetta... And your are rigth... Acceptance brings peace....

[Ivyetta]

Thank you , Radagast, :)....

[ImDaMom]

Remember...there is always hope! You must stop by more often, Ivy....this is a great forum!

[Lasgalen]

Thank you for your thoughts Ivy. I would just like to add that most of us love the movies. We just like to poke occasional fun at a line or two. There were also some great and moving lines (but that is for another thread)

[Shieldmaiden]

*pokes her head in* I hope I'm not interrupting anything, but I just remembered a line that I thought was really dumb...it's when Eomer is threatening Wormtongue, and Wormtongue says, 'You see much, Eomer, son of Eomund...' Um, why would Wormtongue address him with his full title? Like he's trying to still be respectful while throwing him out of Rohan...I don't know. Not sure if I made much sense then... lol

[ImDaMom]

I think it may have been PJ's way of introducing Eomer.

[Shieldmaiden]

True, true...didn't think of it like that before...Still, it is kind of an awkward placement. Aw, who cares, the movie was still good... lol

[Striderfan]

I ALWAYS crack up with leggy's, " that is one of the Maeras (yes, I know i can't spell...;) ) unless my eyes are cheated by some spell" roflmao i always laugh so hard, I mean, it's just so...wierd!!! :grin:

[Amithrellas]

I agree, SF! Might have been helpful to something @ what the Mearas were, instead of just throwing it in there :rolleyes:

For me, it's when Aragorn is trying to return Arwen's pendant and says something like "I am mortal, you are elf-kind" ...eeew pfbbt . Elf-kind?? Does Tolkein actually use that phrase anywhere? Something about it seems...sappy. It's nearly as bad as "he needs elvish medicine" after Frodo is stabbed on Weathertop in FotR :p

[Daeron]

The 'Mearas' (spelling?) line doesn't bother me too much. The one line the *does* jangle with me a little is Legolas' line, 'A red sun rises; blood has been spilled this night'.

I mean, he whispers the line, so he couldn't have been saying it to Aragorn or Gimli. So I am left with this image of a bonkers Elf who randomly talks to himself at odd moments :-)

(Runs away from the screaming hordes of 'leggy' fans)
:lol

[Lasgalen]

Originally posted by Amithrellas
For me, it's when Aragorn is trying to return Arwen's pendant and says something like "I am mortal, you are elf-kind" ...eeew pfbbt . Elf-kind?? Does Tolkein actually use that phrase anywhere? Something about it seems...sappy. That is how I feel about "she-Elf". I don't recall Tolkien using that phrase and I find it annoying.

[Lady Melanie]

Originally posted by Lasgalen
That is how I feel about "she-Elf". I don't recall Tolkien using that phrase and I find it annoying.
I would have thought that Aragorn would have said Elven instead of Elf-Kind. That makes more sense to me.

[Goldberry]

I just wanted to add a few little comments to the last posts. I haven't been able to be here lately.

Regarding the intro of Eomer - I agree that it's sounds awkward in the movies when a person's name is said as the son of......but that is how they talked in the books. I think PJ was trying to bring in authencenity from the books whenever possible. The Mearas line is funny sounding too if you haven't read the books but I think PJ was doing the same thing here.
It's interesting how the more times you see the movies, you start noticing some of these kind of awkward lines. But for me, I guess I still love the movies so much that I can live with them.

My pet peeve is the "she-elf" line, also. It's not in the book as Arwen's part is totally enhanced for the movies. I can accept that, but "she-elf"? roflmao

[Striderfan]

Originally posted by Daeron
...So I am left with this image of a bonkers Elf who randomly talks to himself at odd moments :-)

(Runs away from the screaming hordes of 'leggy' fans)
:lol

roflmao I totally agree with you on that, Daeron...;) Legolas always seems to me to be a little *ahem* "unbalanced"? lol *ducks incoming trout from a rabid leggy fan* ;) All of his lines are either really obvious or are just plain "Whaaat???" lol I definitely agree that the "red sun rises" line is not him at his best. ;)

[Eomer's Mistress]

I haven’t posted in this thread, because I love all the lines in TT and FOTR and I’m sure I’ll love every line in ROTK. I lurk a lot though, and I appreciate and respect everyone’s opinions. It is so cool to be able to express your own opinions and not feel like you are getting attacked. :)

Originally posted by Goldberry
I think PJ was trying to bring in authencenity from the books whenever possible.

Since these movies are PJ’s interpretation, he took quite a few liberties in adding dialogue, changing dialogue and scenes, etc. to help the people who haven’t read the book understand the characters as well as the overall story and world of ME. The “red sun rises” line is PJ’s interpretation of a real line in TT, “It is a red dawn. Strange things await us by the eaves of the forest. Good or evil, I do not know; . . .” And, I think that a lot of what Legolas does and says shows some of the essence of how elves are and their ability, intuition, knowledge of parts of the world that other ME-beings (as well as non-book reading viewers) do not know. If that makes any sense. Just my humble opinion. :thumbs: :grin:

[Melian]

I agree, E M. For those of us that have read the book many times, we would wish for more authenticity. But for those who have not, I also thing that this is PJ's way of expaining things. Regardless, I am grateful to PJ for bringing Middle Earth to life like I beleive no one else could have done.

[Striderfan]

Very true, EM ;)...I totally see where you are comming from :grin:...many of Legolas' lines do sorta play up his "elf-ness" (sorry for my wierd diction ;) ), which is useful for people not associated with the books to better understand the differences in the races of Middle Earth. But at the same time, I do think some of Leggy's lines are a bit over the top. ;) Specifically, the "red sun rises" IS very poetic and IS a variation of a similar line from the book, but it's just how Orli says it that bothers me lol....he's been running for the past 2 days and all of a sudden he stops, turns around, and mutters to himself something about the sunrise...I can just see Aragorn yelling back to him, "Hey Legolas, stop waxing poetically so we can go wack some orcs' heads off and save our friends!!" lol But I do think PJ did a fantastic job of making the films as authentic as he could ;), even at the expense of making the dialogue a bit akward at times. :thumbs:

[Eomer's Mistress]

Meli, me too, I'm grateful to PJ, also. He really set the bar for movie making. I mean if anyone tries to make another LOTR movie, it will always be compared to PJ's version and I'm sure it will not come anywhere close to what PJ has accomplished.

I can just see Aragorn yelling back to him, "Hey Legolas, stop waxing poetically so we can go wack some orcs' heads off and save our friends!!"
roflmao roflmao Very funny!!!

And, SF, I hear ya. Sometimes, Orli's delivery of some of the lines was too dramatic, I'm not sure that's the word I'm looking for, but something close to that. But, I think he did a great job, given what an elf is. :thumbs:

[ImDaMom]

Very funny, SF. But I agree with EM....I really have a hard time deciding that ANY lines are bad. Yes, I'm confused by some (Aragorn in Fangorn, "Do not let him speak. He will put a spell on us") sounds needlessly superstitious, but it does let non bookies in on the power of Saruman's voice.

[Striderfan]

Very true, I see your point, IDM :grin:

[Wally]

i know its the wrong disccussion, but does anyone have the script? i love the aragorn lines at helms deep. thanx

[Striderfan]

I believe the full script can be found at the parody site, Stupidring.com, but make sure you click on the REAL script and not the spoof ;)

[Eomer's Mistress]

Thanks for the link SF. I almost forgot I was at work, just started reading and couldn't stop. lol ;)

[Lasgalen]

It's too bad we can't get paid for browsing the forums and other Tolkien stuff while at work. lol.

[Boromir123]

I truly HATE (Yes, hate! Hate! HATE!) when Grima said "Late is the hour that ........this....conjurer has chosen to arrive. I say...ill news is an ill guess." It was just to me sounding a bit cheesy,but maybe that's just because i think it's acted out badly.

[Amithrellas]

ummm...ill news is an ill guest, I believe ;)
Does that make the line any more palatable or was it just a typo?

[Eomer's Mistress]

Originally posted by Lasgalen
It's too bad we can't get paid for browsing the forums and other Tolkien stuff while at work. lol.

We'd all be pretty rich, that's for sure. lol ;)

Oh you beat me to it, Amith. ;) I was going to say that and that I think Brad did an awesome job portraying Grima. imho I liked all of his lines, him and his "forked tongue." Grima tries to act as though he's smarter than everyone else, but deep down knows that everyone thinks otherwise. I love his face when Eomer drops the orc helmet that has the white hand on it. Grima's face is like, "oh boy, that's real proof, what the heck am I going to say now" and he then proceeds to change the subject to Eomer bothering Theoden with trivial things. :thumbs: But, I've been trying to find a line in the movie that I consider my least favorite and I'm still looking. It's so hard! :p

[ImDaMom]

Brad played it so Shakespearian, it's hard to NOT like the performance. Besides, anytime we get lines directly from the book into the movie, I'm a happy camper. :)

[Boromir123]

Yes Amithrellas, that was a typo. But it does not make it any better:lol:

[Lúthien _Nargothrond]

Woo Hoo! my first post.

Right, my least favourite lines...

"an entmoot"
"what's that?"
"a gathering."
"a gathering of what?"

"moots, merry. They are small, furry creatures that eat hobbits."

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"fangorn, what maddness drove them in there?"

"the horrible battle you just described perhaps?"

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Aragorn: "a hobbit lay here."

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anything legolas said at the beginning, includng "they run as if the very whips of their masters were behind them!" . Now, i'm a leggy fan, but why does he always have to do a dramatic pause?

Also, on these lines, was Aragorns "what do your elf eyes see?"
i imagine leggy taking out his eyes, putting in new ones and going "alright! elfvision!"

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King Theoden at Helm's Deep.

"Is this it? Is this all you can muster Saruman?"

1. apart from the 10,00 strong orc army kicking yr ***?
2. that's ALWAYS a signal for death. Don't tempt the fates Theo.

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The way Haldir goes "an alliance once stood between men and elves... we come to honour that alligance".

It makes me cringe.

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King Theoden at Theodred's grave. When he gives a long, poetic Tolkien spiel and then goes "No parent should have to bury their child". It just doesn't fit.

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"you know the laws of your father. If you let them go your life will be forfeit."

"then it is forfeit."

Ack.

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I can't think of anymore right now :)

[Ithielnor]

Oooh! That "forfeit" line was my favorite! :( It summed up Faramir as known in the books like no other scene. But to each their own I guess.

[Lúthien _Nargothrond]

I thought of another one! And this one really really irked me.

When Frodo is in Osgiliath and the ringwraith approaches he goes "they're here...."

it's like a scene out of Poltergiest or something! :ring:

[Elenwë]

lol oh yes! too "surreal" for a Tolkien story.

I didn't like at all Gimli's line: "keep breathing, that's the key... breathe".... Well duh! if don't breathe dear you might die!.

I also didn't like "they run as if the very whips of their masters were behind them!"... is not even the line, is the pronunciation and entonation, it was overreact.

I hope RotK does not have as much as silly lines like the TTT.

[nickk4]

This thread is so annoying!
I am not saying that there wasn't one or (hardly) two sligthly cheesy lines, but most of you people seem to believe that the whole movie sucked!

Luthien Nargohtrod, why are you registered in this site if you hated the movie?

Boromir123, you are probably the ONLY person in the world who hated that wonderfull line of such a wonderfull actor.

[Lasgalen]

Why do you say we think the whole movie sucked when we are clearly talking of only certain lines in the movie. If you find this thread so annoying, you are not forced to read it. There are plenty of other threads.

[Lúthien _Nargothrond]

lol! Come on, why would I register only to slag off a movie? Fellowship Of The Ring is quite possibly my favourite movie of all time. I'll admit, I didn't think TTT was all that and a bag of potato chips, but I still enjoyed it and I think the EE is fantastic. I wanted to put my opinions to a thread entitled "LEAST FAVOURITE LINE". Believe me, my post would have been longer if it was "BEST THINGS ABOUT THE MOVIES". Yipes. lay off my case :D

[ImDaMom]

First, we need to stop and welcome Nikk4. We really are a friendly bunch, and we all love these amazing films. These are threads that allow us to express opinions about these films. We all are different, and what we love and don't love about the films are as varied as we ourselves. There are many more threads devoted to what we love about LOTR (especially a particular ranger. You know of whom I speak :aragorn: ). Just because someone doesnt' like a line or 2 does not diminish the enjoyment of the movies. Surely there's a line you sort of shudder when you hear it?

[ninjabunny]

I saw the extended edition today and have just registered so that i can rant out my dissatisfaction on one line:

Gimli: "He's twitching because he got my ax embedded in his nervous system."

I didn't know Gimli was a neuroanatomist.

[Elenwë]

How funny is that!!! lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol...

I saw that peek on E! News Live and it was hillarious, that's the kind of stuff that might be really stupid but for some weird reason is so much fun for me.

[ninjabunny]

it was pretty funny when I saw it too...but out of all the beautiful lines Tolkien wrote they have to make up their own and it might not even be right.

the ax looked like it was in the prefrontal lobe and if I remember my neurobiology right, that part is for cognition and planning. Maybe Urak anatomy is different.

[ImDaMom]

Welcome, NB.....I guess Uruk anatomy could be different (I'm not one to find out, tho) lol

[nickk4]

Originally posted by ImDaMom
First, we need to stop and welcome Nikk4. We really are a friendly bunch, and we all love these amazing films. These are threads that allow us to express opinions about these films. We all are different, and what we love and don't love about the films are as varied as we ourselves. There are many more threads devoted to what we love about LOTR (especially a particular ranger. You know of whom I speak :aragorn: ). Just because someone doesnt' like a line or 2 does not diminish the enjoyment of the movies. Surely there's a line you sort of shudder when you hear it?

:thumbs: Thank you!
I just wanted to make sime noise, since it was my first post here! I ment no offence!

I have to admit that certain lines of Or. Bloom was kind of cheesy, like: "they are taking the hobbits to Isengard"

[Elenwë]

Well there you go, like I said before sometimes is not even the line itself, is the entonations or the performance that makes it chessy or just silly.

[Lady Luthien]

Here are some quotes the TTT ee could have done without:

"You know there's one thing that hasn't changed about you? You still speak in riddles." and then Gandalf laughing unwizard-like about it--that one could have been improved by making the laugh less fake, or just leaving it out. Although ofcourse I love Ian McKellan as an actor ;)

and..."I mean, good forest!"-Gimli, to the trees when he thinks they're mad at him. Come on--that is in no way Tolkien humor. It would have been better if this same type of phrase had been carried out in medieval dialect, or just left out if they couldnt say it fitting the time period.

Otherwise...the movie was fantastic ;)

[ImDaMom]

I wasnt fond of good forest...the line about G not changing was in the book, but I had hoped they would use the whole quote, about the old choosing the wisest one around to speak to.

[Lady Luthien]

Yea...it wasn't the quote that bothered me...it was the way it was said by Aragorn and the way that Gandalf responded to it that seemed cheesy or something.

[Periantari Andruil]

I do'nt know if anyone mentioned this, but I was always bothered by when Theoden said "Is this it? Is this all you can conjure up, Saruman?"
too cocky and the battle hasn't even started... but i guess it's just my modest nature hehe :p

[Lasgalen]

I thought the same thing. Rather cocky and also very cliche for a big battle movie line.

[Silverbridge]

Yes...I have to admit that every time King Theoden starts another poem I try not to get irritated...and good gravy...when Sam starts on about "These are the stories...to find some good in this world...blaa blabb blabb blaa blaaa..."

It makes me wince when he says..."....it's your Sam...don't you know you're Sam?"

[Periantari Andruil]

I don't like that whole Osgiliath scene, so with Frodo almost killing Sam really made me cringe. :mmmm:

I like Sam's speech at the end.. i do not find a problem with that though... =)

[Elenwë]

The last speech by Sam wasn't that bad, him talking while showing the other characters was a good thing but Silverbridge is right about that quote "....it's your Sam...don't you know you're Sam?", it does bother me, is... I don't know... annoying, I mean, is not the kind of thing I want to hear and the whole crying, it was cheesy and maybe too much, enough with the Frodo/Nazgul enncounter...

[Evenstar]

ooh I hate Orlando's line:

'Shall I describe it to you, or would you like me to find you a box?'

Hello, you're about to fight a war and you feel the need to make tasteless jokes? Please, don't make us suffer having to listen! verymad

[Ereinion]

And what about "They run as if the whips of their master are behind them!" ? OB's voice is sooo annoying!

[Lady Cele]

What about their legs. They look tasty. They don't need them." That nasty orc looking at Merry and Pippin...ugh. That line just makes me cringe..."tasty". He's an orc...what does he know about something being tasty. Thats about as bad as "maggoty bread"...pfbbt

[Elenwë]

lol lol lol I agree on it.

I hate when Eowyn says "Lord Aragorn, where is him" he speaks so ugh, don't like her expression but I do like the background music in that scene.

[Lasgalen]

Originally posted by Evenstar
ooh I hate Orlando's line:

'Shall I describe it to you, or would you like me to find you a box?'

Hello, you're about to fight a war and you feel the need to make tasteless jokes? Please, don't make us suffer having to listen! verymad The thing that annoys me about that line is that, if you look at the Helm's Deep wall, you can see that all they had to do was move to a part of the crenelations where Gimli could see through the slit.

[Amithrellas]

Don't know why it irritates me so... "I am Gandalf the White", said with the sort of inflection one hears on a Tide commercial. lol
Why couldn't he have said "I am Saruman as he should have been" and given the layman some idea to the hierarchy?

[Elenwë]

lol lol lol lol Tide Commercial lol lol lol lol lol

Lasgalen you're absolutely right, there were places that could be a little helpful for our dear Dwarf lol

[ImDaMom]

Originally posted by Amithrellas
Why couldn't he have said "I am Saruman as he should have been" and given the layman some idea to the hierarchy?

Ami- that line does make it into the EE! (I love that line, so I was really happy)

[Gryffonheart]

My least favorite line is probably most of Legolas's lines. He always sounds so stupid. Why can't he talk in a non-poetic voice sometime. His line about a red sun rising just gets me. I mean, duh. If you look at the big pile of orc bodies over there, that your elf eyes should be able to see, then it would be obvious that blood had been spilt.