Túrin V.S Tuor

[Lhuntidomion]

When it comes down to it, who would win in a fight between the cousins? I mean let's look at the odds. Tuor's got the Elven thing going for him. Been in Gondolin a long while. He's been enligtened by the Noldor. Plus he's got a huge really cool axe (see Unfinished Tales) Túrin's got Gurthang (forgot it first name and I'm not gonna get the book so let's just call it Gurthang):) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) . And he's been in Doriath. Trained by Beleg Cúthalion. Son of the greatest warrior of mortal men. So who'd win?

My vote goes to Túrin. He's got nothin' to lose. He hates his friggin' life. He would pull of any kind of life-threatening sword stroke because he dosen't care if he dies kiling Tuor. Tuor's got a life and a wife and a son. But a disadvantage for Túrin is that he's blind.

[David D]

In a fight Turin would be the clear victor, but that is not really what is important. The armies of the Noldor and the Edain were great, but it took the love of Luthien and Beren to recover a Silmarillien. Glorinfindel was exceptionally powerful yet Frodo was the only one, who had the strength of will to carry the ring that far. Saruman would stand no chance against the likes of Aragorn in a duel, but he could use his voice to warp Aragorn's mind. We praise Eowyn for fighting physically and neglect the fact that Galadriel did far greater things in a mental struggle.

Tuor and Turin are very similar,but had very different mentalities and lead contrasting lives. There are subtle reasons why this took place. Can't we discuss their strength of character rather than, who had the bigger biceps.

[Lhuntidomion]

Yepperz! Good points David D!
Awww you didn't vote?!

[Númenórean]

Tricky one. Túrin is probably stronger but he has been cursed I don't know how many times, so that might work in his disadventage. He would probably kill Tuor and find out a second later that it was his long lost nephew.

But David D is right let's discuss there difference in character: Túrin was probably the most headstrong but he was also impatient, stubborn and arogant. Plus he was cursed, so most of the thingd he did were doomed to fail. Tuor was the other side of the coin. He was gentil, patient and willing to do what other's wanted from him despite of his own honor. Plus he was blessed (by Ulmo) in stead of cursed.

[David D]

That is a good observation that I have neve noted before about Ulmo blessing Tuor. In a way though I would suggest that Turin was also blessed by Eru. He had great strength, outstanding agilty and speed, fairest of all men and was a great leader. He could take control of every group of people he encountered. His will power was the remarkable and he was destined to kill Morogth.

Tuor was very different from Turin. I think the difference could be traced all theway down to their childhoods. Turin had his happiest memories whislt living with men. He developed a great love for is family and hatred to Morgoth for the death of Lalaith. Tuor was raise by elves and always had an affinity with them. He had a deep desire to live with them and probably had little fith in men due to his time as a thrall.

Turin escaped being a thrall and was adopted by Thingol. Being adopted by an elvish king ( the only boy to ever have this honour) as well as his teaching from Morwen would have caused him to becomes extremely arrogant. Tuor was treated as a thrall and this would have helped with his humiity in later life.

Its also interesting that both Turin and Tuor win the love of elvish princesses. Tuor as we know weds Idril and through him is born the mairner Earendil. Turin fails to reciprocate Finduilas affections and it leads to her death. The reason Finduilas dies is not only due to the dragon, but also because of the love that Turin has for his family. Tuor has no such conection and can wholly emerge himself in the elvish culture; Turin always has that wish to be back with his (mannish) family. Does anyone else have any ideas why these two cousins are so different.

I am failry sure that Turin was not actually blind. At first I thought that was what he meant, but now after thinking about it he must have been speaking metaphoricly about how his life was ruined by Morgoth.

[Mirkgirl]

Thanks for being the voice of reason, David D, I was about to take action in regards to these threads. Indeed we can make thousand threads of the type "A versus B", but the brute strength is hardly what matters. I'm sorry but this really going out of hand and from now on "A versus B" threads are prohibited.

The ones existing are left as some good answers/discussions did occur, but that goes mostly when the opinions are based on other than strength in fights. Being stronger than someone is not enough in any world, be it the real one, or Tolkiens. It takes the tactics, the allies, the timing, even the luck to actually do something which will matter.

Please do not make any more "A versus B" threads from now on. I'm going to update the rules now, and from now on any new "A versus B" thread would be deleted. If you're in doubt contact a library mod before posting.

However I'm sorry for sidetracking this thread, and any comments regarding this new rule should be either PMed to me or posted in the rules thread, I'll be more than happy to explain more detailed why I do this and consider other opinions (:


We do know that Turin was the greatest warrior/fighter of his time, but that hardly gave him any happy fate and neither would a conflict with his cousin. Turin wins if just strength is considered, but if we take account of the rest factors Tuor has a better chance IMO.

Feel free to discuss not only brute power in this thread or any other existing "A versus B" thread.

[Lhuntidomion]

Yeah. Once again, good points. Let's look at Túrin. He's growing up. He's happy, has friends, grows up. And he's very nobly born. He's blind though, as said in Unfinished Tales. But he's in possesion of a fairly good childhood. He grows up with both parents and even gets blessed with a sister. Until she dies. Things snowball after that. But he would have known about Rían and the unborn child of his uncle. I marvel that he never tried to seek Tuor. Maybe he was scared of cursing him. That's another thing!! Morgoth says Húrin's kin are all cursed. Shouldn't that include his nephew Tuor? But Tuor is the very opposite of cursed! He's blessed. Get's to marry Idril who is supposed to be extremley wise and beautiful. Or maybe those beggining years were curse enough. Maybe he was willing to foresake his race for the Eldar and Túrin wasn't.

But let's not forget the name of this thread ppl!!!!

[Gil Galad]

it wud never happen, they wud never fight so this hud just be, as David D, has said a thread to compare them(which does stay true to the tittle)

i think that they were both exceptional men, i prefer Tour myself, he was, as David said, more humble and he seems to think more b4 he acts, as opposed to turins more headstrong and arrogant approach

i aggree wit David D on the blind issue