Elvish underwear!

[Elbereth]

OK - this is an honest inquiry believe it or not though I must admit it does seem a little strange. Blame the fan fic I'm writing if you want!

My question is simple - what do Elves wear under those tunics and leggings and pretty gowns? And I mean this from the point of veiw of 'real' elves not what the actors wore.
Do Imladris elves like Arwen wear petticoats?
Do the Galadhrim wear pants?
Or nothing at all? :o

and please, minds out of the gutter!

[Kenzie]

that is quite a uniqe (sp? lol) question... never really though of that ... i would imagine somthing... maybe??

[Altáriel]

Elves look so clean and elegant,so they may wear some oldfashion underwear,but is nice thinking legolas doesn't!!!:naughty:

[Hobbit]

Altáriel! :nono: lol
I think it's kinda elf-dishonoring to try and answer this question.. but hey it's a practical one lol
I guess thay would have great and elegant and always clean underwear.

[Catz]

if youre talking seriously?
i doubt they would.....you couldnt get those long clean lines with the kinds of underwear that there was at the equivilent time period ie: the middle ages
then underwear consisted of a breechclout and an undershirt........a breechclout is essentially a strip of fabric that was tucked at both ends into a belt around the waist........women didnt wear underwear, other than an undershift and sometimes the female version of the breechclout
so no........i dont think they did ;)
:catz:

[Winyaél Greenleaf]

Wow catz! I'm impressed! You're really knowledgeable about all these costume stuff! notworthy :grin:

Well, this is a very interesting question for discussion, as long as you treat it seriously ;)

[Lasgalen]

Since we are talking about Elves and not Humans, I think it is highly likely that they could come up with undergarments using their superior craftmanship.

[Altáriel]

i just can't imagine elves without underclothes it would be kind of dirty for such a supreme beings...but on the other hand they're supossed to have a close relationship with nature and using underwear is kinda an artificial thing.
I read an interview with liv tyler and she said she didn't wear anything under her dresses for LOTR movies,don't know what was her reason for that:too hot under those magnificent costumes or because elves aren't supossed to wear them...;)

[Hobbit]

I agree with Las here.
Catz: I'm impressed by your knowledge of the dark ages notworthy :thumbs: I really am!
But I've got some book at home about the Roman sociaty and it says they already wore boxershorts (or at least something like a boxershort), a couple of hundred years before Christ, so maybe the elves also wore boxershorts... maybe.... :huh:

[Winyaél Greenleaf]

Erm... are you sure? But LotR seems closer to the medieval age (or dark ages). At least, it has a medieval feel about it. Just look at the costumes that the LotR characters wear, especially the race of men.

[Hobbit]

Very True Win... LotR seems to be very close to the early medieval age, but the dark ages began after the fall of the west Roman empire at 498 after Christ (that wasn't the fall of the entire Roman empire for there was also an east Roman empire (Byzantine) that lasted till the 15th century)
so there were still lotsa influences from the Roman sociaty in the early medieval sociaty and although they were gone at the later medieval period, they only faded slowly. (especially the rich people kept lotsa Roman traditions... so maybe the boxershorts too)
And I always get the feeling that elves aren't based on any civalisation on earth for they're quite different from mortal men.
The only thing I tried to say was that they could wear boxershorts for they were "known" before the the time LotR resembles (I hope you get my point: I'm very bad at explaining things like this)

[Winyaél Greenleaf]

oh yeah Dark Ages was sort of between the Roman thing and Medieval Age right?
Well perhaps... afterall, Tolkien has never mentioned anything about elvish underwear! lol

[Hobbit]

The dark ages were kind of a mix between the roman and the medieval age, like you said: the roman ideas about justice and science etc. faded away, but most practical things like building techniques, ship building etc.... and maybe the boxershorts too.
And you're right: Tolkien never metnioned something about elvish underwear so we'll never be able to answer the question :(

[Little Devil]

Hmm....do you think they had thongs in ME? lol lol I seriously doubt it but you now, anything's possible. ;) :grin:

[Luvara]

thongs?lol well, I'm not so sure of that!! lol

[Lady Ashley]

I sure hope ALL of them, both in film and if it were reality, wear underwear. *shivers* no undies....*wince*

[Winyaél Greenleaf]

Wearing clean underwear= good personal hygiene. Surely the elves do practise erm... such stuff?

But I believe any undergarments they have will be of the Middle Ages style.

[Bonos-Girl]

i think that if they do wear underwear then it doesn't have to be of the human style, they're elves and if everything else they can create is more elegant and stuff than humans then why can't their underwear be as well?

[Periantari Andruil]

lol lol
i know ..this IS an interesting question ...but look at the amount of discussion it generated! hahaha... i do not know whether elves wear underwear, but i sure hope so ;)
lol roflmao

[Winyaél Greenleaf]

Originally posted by Bonos-Girl
i think that if they do wear underwear then it doesn't have to be of the human style, they're elves and if everything else they can create is more elegant and stuff than humans then why can't their underwear be as well?

You're right. But usually, creations are being inspired by our surroundings and environments. For example, the weapons used in the middle ages were swords, bows, spears etc...
You don't see the elves using other more sophisticated stuff. I mean, some of their weapons may be more elegant in some ways, but its still the same kind of weapon anyway. We don't see elves wielding guns or any other stuff, do we? :grin: (though that would have been a most interesting sight lol)
Their clothes are more elegant and beautiful, definitely, but it's still more or less related to stuff that the humans wear.

I'd say that while their undergarments are of middle-age style, they'd be more elegant and um... durable? Yup, just my 2 cents worth. :grin:

[Bonos-Girl]

yep, i agree...i mean...theres only so many ways of making underwear....they'd all probably have the asme basis...but the elves would look nicer! lol

[Elbereth]

Seems the general view is Middle Ages but elegant.
I was hoping most would agree they wore underwear because if you think of some Elf-maiden leaping up on a horse (think movie arwen!) without pants - it isn't a good thought!
I was thinking for female Elves it would be something along the lines of a shift/petticoat/underdress and then something like pants (I hope)
Male elves though. Under the robes it wouldn't be a problem but with those leggings?

I'd say that while their undergarments are of middle-age style, they'd be more elegant and um... durable?
I really hope so - after all Elves are immortal! lol

[Hobbit]

Hehe that's true lol

And you're right Elbereth: it's good to think they wore underwear.

[Luvara]

Yeah, and if they don't... :o *shivers* lol

[Ice Dragoness]

Imagine the saddle chaffing if they didnt wear underwear...

:o

[Winyaél Greenleaf]

I thought elves didn't need saddles for their horses?

[Luvara]

but Legolas has a saddle on his horse, doesn't he?

[Lasgalen]

He only has a saddle in the movie (because Orlando needed one) but in the book he rode bare back.

[Luvara]

ok, that's what I thought! :thumbs:

[Beleriel]

Just to put my two pennorth in..... surely if they didnt wear socks.... then they wouldnt wear underwear.....lol dont the two things go hand in hand so to speak?

socks - underwear....... underwear - socks?? roflmao

[Hobbit]

I don't wear socks most of the time.... which immensly iritates my family lol (that's why they started calling me Hobbit :p lol)

But I have to agree with you that elves probably don't wear socks: I mean, they're a true nature folk so they would probably walk with boots or bare-footed... but I think they do wear underwear: underwear is a sign of personal hygine and elves seem to be quite clean and all....
So I guess they did wore underwear of some sort..

[Beleriel]

well, I would have thought it is more hygenic to not wear underwear.

and in the books the elves were always barefooted werent they? At least in LOTR Legolas was described as bare footed.

[Hobbit]

Yeah that's right: I was confused with the movies. Thanks Bel :grin: :thumbs:

I actually think it's a bit more hygenic to wear underwear... I don't know how to explain it, I just think so.

[Winyaél Greenleaf]

Actually, I don't think they have things like socks in the ancient times. Leggings, yes, but not socks.

[Lasgalen]

I think it is more hygenic to wear underpants because they can be changed and washed dailey. The outer garments were not washed very often (in middle ages at any rate-don't know about ME)

[Elvenwanderer]

Originally posted by Winyaél Greenleaf
You're right. But usually, creations are being inspired by our surroundings and environments. Their clothes are more elegant and beautiful, definitely, but it's still more or less related to stuff that the humans wear. I'd say that while their undergarments are of middle-age style, they'd be more elegant and um... durable?

I can just imagine Haldir or Legolas with an olive branch or an olive branch patterned -something-. I could say something else.... but I would sound a little ummm... wierd.

But I too would hope they wore underwear and socks. Long Johns possibly? Aren't those underwear and socks? I wouldn't know.

[HobbitFriend]

Well, didn't elves wear many layered clothing? Well, that's at least what New Line's interpretation was... when i was looking for ideas for my elf dress costume, i noticed that on many of Arwen's outfits, she practically wore two dresses. A light, probably silky underdress and then the actual dress over it, the slits in the arms and the skirt revealing the dress underneath. So... i would think that either A) the underdress served as their "underwear" or B) they had yet a third outfit underneath it all... What i'm thinking of is something like this (http://www.simplicity.com/designFrame.cfm?designId=6958&design=5905) or this (http://www.simplicity.com/designFrame.cfm?designId=6384&design=7157) :huh: I don't know what the male elves might wear as underwear though... maybe elven men didn't wear any :huh: But i think that Elven women would.

[Lasgalen]

Elf men probably wore something, too. It just doesn't show through their outter garments like it does for the Elf women.

[Hobbit]

I like your ideas about an underdress HF. They look quite elagant and gracious and those two words also discribe elven women.
I think elf men wore underwear too. Maybe something like a boxershort...

[HobbitFriend]

thanks Hobbit lol :smooch:
like i said before, i don't think that the elves would wear nothing underneath... and like Hobbit was suggesting, the elf men probably wore something similar to shorts or pants underneath their clothes.

[Elbereth]

one can only hope!

but I like the layered idea - that fits quite well with my image of elven women

[Ludibunda]

Verrrrrry Interesting - what you think is dirty (NO underwear) I think is natural and freeing. Graceful, flowing elves should never be bound by restrictive undergarments. At least we are all consistent in thinking that whatever is considered most clean and comfortable is what would suit this beloved race.

[Lasgalen]

Elvish underwear doesn't have to be restricting. They probably make it in such a way that it is very comfortable.

[Beleriel]

lol I like the idea of those elegant undergarments on elvish ladies...... but they would really have affected the cut of the gowns to accomodate all that lace dont you think? ;)

Certainly those sleek looking ones that Arwen wears! lol

Im sorry ...... but I still cant see elven men bothering with such things...... perhaps they sported a loincloth type arrangement! roflmao

[Lessa]

Do you know until I read this thread I hadn't even thought about unergarments on any of the characters.

Lessa

[Ludibunda]

Well, see there, once again this site have provided a mind-expanding, imagination-stimulating thread for all of us to enjoy!

[Hobbit]

I agree. it did brought up some nice discussions though.

I don't think underwear is restricting. And gracefull and elegant beings like elves would probably have underwear that isn't resticting at all.

[Ludibunda]

Well, that puts me in the minority view, and I can live with that, ha! ha!

[Elbereth]

I'm afraid I can't get my head around the idea of the council of Elrond and all those elven Lords sitting around with no pants!

I don't think underwear is restricting either, to me long flowing gowns with miles of floaty fabric would be far more restricting than a pair of pants or a petticoat. but perhaps under leggings underwear may have to be forsaken!

[Woodland Gal]

we'll never no untill we...LOOK!! hahaha

[HobbitFriend]

:o :o :o Just like how many licks it takes to get to the center of a lollipop... to get to the center of Elven clothes...the world may never know... lol

[Ludibunda]

Hmmm.....licking combined with underwear. That's worse than me suggesting elves just don't wear any. Ok, sorry, I know you were innocently thinking of lollipops, but....you must admit the slip is rather funny.

[Cuiel Rilwen]

well for us to whom english is the second language your connection was obvious...and I dont even have "lipop" in my dictionary!lol

[Ludibunda]

Ha! Ha! - dirty-minded women of the world unite! I'm sure The Professor would be appauled, ha! ha! Volumes and volumes and letters and commentary about elves their world, and origin but not a single mention of their undergarments - so what do we dedicate our thread to? - tighty whities and tootsie pops, tee hee

[Cuiel Rilwen]

Presicely...so who's gonna explain the lipop to me?roflmao

[Ludibunda]

Since this is a PG-13 sight, I believe we will take this one PM, ha! ha! Be right there!

[Catz]

EEEEEEEK!!!!:o :elfeek: :o
leave you lot alone for a couple of days and look what you get:blush: lol roflmao lol
:catz:

[Cuiel Rilwen]

lol lol roflmao roflmao roflmao totally slipped pass me...well thats what we call domestic humor...stick with a ball of candy duh! Just crawled up from under the table from laughing at that misunderstanding hehehe poor girls what must u think:rolleyes: :grin: don't worry catz I'm not gonna ask for any more explanations...at least not in this thread!:naughty:

[Bonos-Girl]

how did i miss out on this discussion?! lol lol

[HobbitFriend]

oh my! :elfeek: look what i started! :o I was thinking that "the world my never know" if Elves wore underwear or not :p and it reminded me of that old commercial with "Mr. Owl" and the little boy comes along and asks him "How many licks does it take to get to the center of a tootsiepop?" (i was thinking Lollipop - i should have capitalized the "L" so the "lol" smilie didn't show up like it did :p so it's not "lipop" lol ) and then it says "The world may never know..." :p

*shakes head* maybe i'll just shut up now hearnoevil :p :p :p

"Hmmm.....licking combined with underwear. That's worse than me suggesting elves just don't wear any." lol ...naughty Ludibunda!! :nono: roflmao roflmao roflmao

[Cuiel Rilwen]

Be proud...you might have created a new expression:angel: ! (or a monster...):o roflmao ;)

[Elbereth]

Now look here: I started this thread in total innocence (ahem) and I just leave it alone for a while and look at what I come back to! For shame!

All I wanted to know were the views of Elven Lord undies, and that of course is totally innocent!

[Bonos-Girl]

of course...how could we ever doubt you? lol

[RavenWingsofDarkness]

Well....this is an odd question.
Well I guess they were old fashioned
underwear. (what happens if the invinted
the thong back then. *cringes* BAD IMAGES! )
Well I guess just good old fashioned undies, what story
are you writing if you need to know what undies they are wearing? lol

Raven

[Cuiel Rilwen]

You're writing a story about elves and their undies?!!!:elfeek: My o my this might be too much for me to handle...lol roflmao roflmao

[Elbereth]

It's perfectly innocent thank you very much!!!!!!!!!!!

Just what are you insinuating here????:o

I....*small voice* I only wanted a description of clothes being packed into a chest for a journey, honest :blush:

But still - it does sound a bit odd I must say
forgive me :p

You can find it in the fanfic section entitled 'Legolas Greenleaf and the Underpants of Doom'

Friends, strangers from distant lands, you are here to answer the threat of Marks and Spencer. Many centuries ago elven craftsmen were betrayed by the chain store deceiver and unwittingly created an underwear so uncomfortable yet reputedly so elegantly designed that all those who bought them were ensnared by the evil powers. The Underpants of Doom must be taken to the fiery factoy from whence they came and destroyed. One of you must do this...


For all those stricken with horror at the awfulness I have unleashed - this is a joke. You are safe, for the moment...

[HobbitFriend]

lol jeesh...
I remember this thread we used to have... it was like the "pants game" where you replace words with "pants" and one time (i forget who said it, but it was so funny that i still remember it! lol ) was: "Gondor has no pants! Gondor needs to pants!" roflmao

(and with the whole Lollipop thing... guess what: i found a t-shirt the other day that said "How many licks does it take" with a tootsie pop underneath the lettering... i think they were implying something else though :o :o :o )

[Melian]

Whenever I see a new post to this thread, I am compelled by some unknown urge to have a peek (so to speak) and see if anything new has developed in the way of Elvish underwear. I don't know why it is so terribly interesting, but it is. It is always good for a chuckle.lol

[Cuiel Rilwen]

lol lol roflmao roflmao *gasp*roflmao underpants of doom thats hilarious!!! But I can't find the rest of the story in any of the subsections, how about providing a link? Pliiis? Ludi you gotta read this!

[Goldilocks Underhill]

The elves were self-cleaning underwear, noone knows it they have. I is a secret that is only written in the secret books of the elves and goes through evry generation... :D

[Lasgalen]

self-cleaning underwear!?! roflmao

[RavenWingsofDarkness]

Oh my whats next panties on a stick, after
self -cleaning underwear. Well anyways this
thread is too funny! lol

[Goldilocks Underhill]

Don't laugh with self cleaning underwear!!! you_!!! erm peace man_erm elf. ;)
(PS It's true, I asked Legolas once and we did a whole afternoon elf-underwear-talk)

[RavenWingsofDarkness]

lol
self cleaning underwear! lol

[Goldilocks Underhill]

You laugh again!! You are really a ring-dude!
Or like Bilbo used to say: 'Oh, what business is it of yours what I do with my own things?!'
Erm, wrong again. :(

[RavenWingsofDarkness]

A ring-dude what lingo do you speak off?
(gosh did i just sound like I'm on crack or living back when
they didn't have toliets and they did there **** in the woods.)
lol

[RavenWingsofDarkness]

I said ****..... what wrong with the word c-r-a-p?

[Goldilocks Underhill]

*Told ya, evil elvessss
-Oh, other side of me:Shut up!!
*They took my selfcleaning underwear and we wantssss it back!! Our precioussss.
-I don't!
*Shut up. You twit!
-What?!No, really I...
*Not listening. Not listening
-Hate it when he_erm I do that.
lol

[RavenWingsofDarkness]

What's wrong with that word!
*screams*

[Goldilocks Underhill]

Uh! lol
Nothing dude, do whatever you want!! helloooo, it's Middle-earth??!! entdraught

[Catz]

ok.......enough with the kidding around you guys lol.....back to the topic please...........and please dont work around the censor.......you may not agree with the words that are masked, but please remember that we have to cater for everyone here, and some people are offended by certain words
the easiest way to deal with it is to simply not use those words, ok?:cool:
thanks:thumbs:
:catz:

[Goldilocks Underhill]

*The new 'elvish-underwear'collection is out!! It is call Elven-U-Wear, ot EUW, say it like 'you'.
*You can order it now!! From 240 Elvencents and higher, and you can pay in nature too (mithril, gold, ...)
*It's selfcleaning, so one in a year would do. lol. But for earning more money, we command you to buy a pair. pair-> from 260 EC!!
*Colours: earth, sky and tree. You choose!!
*Models: trouser or short -> ideal for elventrousers!!

*Soon there will come other collections too. So don't despair!*

[RavenWingsofDarkness]

*The EUW comes in ladies and men
as Goldilocks Underhill said that it comes
in colors earth, sky, and tree. It's great for all ocations!*

lol

[Goldilocks Underhill]

Tnx for helping me, master RavenWings. Like to become my manager? lol