End of ROTK -very heavy spoilers

[A! Elbereth]

DO NOT KEEP READING IF YOU DO NOT WANT THE ENDING SPOILED. But just to say for the record, this could be rumor, and could not:

Heavy spoilers.

"Rings Redux

We bring you news all the way from Middle-earth. Sir Ian Holm, who plays hobbit Bilbo Baggins in The Lord of the Rings:The Fellowship of the Ring, may not appear in the sequel, but don't count him out of the trilogy totally. 'I probably shouldn't say this, but I'm back in three... as a very old man.' Says Holm.

'Bilbo just suddenly appears at the end of the movie and says 'I'm ready for another adventure.' He goes off with Frodo into the sunset.'

This upsets me a great deal. I greatly hope this isnt true!

[Aragorn Isildur]

Well thats correct isnt it? Grey Havens and all that...

Aragorn:king:

[Catz]

well...yeah....pretty baldly, but that is, in essence what happens, aint it?...actually i find that rather reassuring, cos if Bilbos there, theres a good chance that the Grey Havens will be fairly intact:cool:
:catz:

[A! Elbereth]

Its says he suddenly appears and they walk of into the sunset - then end of story - no boat - no Aman- No grey havens???

[Pil]

Why so upset A! Elbereth? :huh: :( :cuddles:

I agree :catz:...sounds like the grey havens are in!

Nice finishing line...anyone else agree? Though it does sound like they're going off the die...like right then... :huh: ;)

[Catz]

thats just a quote tho....you cant take what Holm said literally...for one thing he'd not be allowed to give away plot details other than in the most sketchy way....sounds fine to me....
:catz:

[A! Elbereth]

ok maybe I'm gettin a little too obsessed and its making me worried? ....Or I'm just stupid... we'll go with that lol ;)

[Black Rider]

that ending does sound a little umm, corny. but hopefully it'll be better sounding in the movie.

[A! Elbereth]

I want it to end like the book - Sam staring into the grey fog over the sea, tears in his eyes, and maybe a few flashbacks with an encouraging word or two so that the audience doesnt flood the theartre with tears. Then after the words are spoken Merry Sam, and pippin walk off into the sunset instead as one of them says something.... awwwww It would be the most perfect ending for me! I can actually watch it in my head. I'm gettin teary! mecry :loveyou: mecry :loveyou:

[Fatty]

Hmmm yes I think they will indeed sail over the sea.....why would any movie director miss the opportunity to bring the film to a tearful and emotional ending. THough I am betting on a bit at end too............we must consult our Palantir!

[Pil]

Yeeeees.... :huh: :(

CORNY IS RIGHT!!! (luv bonos-girl) Pil agrees... walking off into the sunset is THE worst ending ever! I mean...it was used in only fools and horses for crying out loud!

(bonos-girl thinks i'm being mean to only fools and horses mecry)

I know it is a quote...but in the book its when they meet frodo and sam in the woods (?) not at the end...the VERY end anyway...ok i'm confooosing everyone! :duh:

[A! Elbereth]

I want it to end like the book!!!!!!!

[Isiltári]

It's probably just a made-up quote. Not to worry. I'm sure PJ will do better than that.

Isiltári :elfqueen:

[Catz]

i think it was just a throw away line that everyones getting way too het up about....to say that someone rides off into the sunset. to me just denotes that they live and go off somewhere...i very much doubt that he meant it literally:cool: :grin:
:catz:

[A! Elbereth]

yeah, i do take things literally most of the time. Thanks for clearing that up, because throughout the rest of the article, he seemed serious about it

[Catz]

well thats what happens when they leave, in a sense.....its just a metaphoric way of putting it.....:cool:
:catz:

[TheRingBearer]

Yeah I want it to end like the book too, with the last line being Sam's when he returns home to his wife.
Then fade to black...
Credits...
Perfect end :hooray: ;)

[Sindarin]

Above all else, for the moment anyway, I want to see ROTK's ending be true to the book!

[A! Elbereth]

Now that i think bout it.... once I own ROTK.... it will be over. there will be no more excitment. No more anticipation. I almost want it to last forever, yet I want to see them all at once tonight! I just want this outrageous Lord of the Rings frenzy to never end. After a while people will stop loving it. This frightens me, yesssss it doessss.

[TheRingBearer]

Yeah it's so annoying. You'd do anything to see the films now but you know that when you do it will be over... Kinda depressing.

[HobbitFriend]

:( i don't want it all to end! i'm almost glad that they spaced it out for 3 years and that they're not all back to back... gives us something to look forward to and everyone to talk about. i love finding little articles and previews about LotR... it makes me happpy! :) i love the anticiapation...

[Pil]

ANTICI.................PATION! lol (rhps!)

I was thinking that too...what will happen? Will the hype fade away? mecry

[A! Elbereth]

The desire and pleasure in my heart for Lord of the Rings will NEVER fade away! I hope the same goes for you! We will keep it going! But I'm still not sure either mecry

[TheRingBearer]

I doubt the hype will fade away especially when people who have not read the books finish watching the two towers. They will be DYING to know what happens in the end!! :)

[A! Elbereth]

Well, we are talking about what will happen after ROTK, and teh dvd has come out, then everyone will have the LOTR trilogy in book and movie... then some stupid movie will take over afterward, distracting the world from LOTR. grrrrrrrr

[Nessa]

I think they're talking about the end of Rotk and not TT, RingBearer. :)

I often wonder the same thing.... but I'll just enjoy it while its going on... and hope discussion in boards like these don't die down.

[A! Elbereth]

Aye! Same goes for me!

[Melkor]

boom shakalaka, i dont know why i just said that....

[Pil]

Originally posted by Melkor
boom shakalaka, i dont know why i just said that....

Odd....intriguing, but odd..... :huh: :grin:

I agree A!Elbereth. Love for lotr will continue in the hearts of true fans till the day they die. No matter if the hype dies down...it won't change a thing for our own appreciation and love of middle earth and its tales. :elfqueen:

[ScorpioQueen]

Come on, Im so convinced that PJ will end the film with Sam saying "Well, I'm back to Rosie" that Im gonna bet my LOTR collection!!!!! Which is priceless!!!!

~Jo-Anne~

Disclaimer: Do not take bet seriously... lol

[Princess Greenleaf]

I read that Legolas and Gimli will not discuss their future travels in the movie...nor do the travels...

THAT SUCKS!!!!!!!! And Arwen and Aragorn die...in the epilogue that is.

[Eowyn]

Surely they'll explain wht happens to everyone? It isn't quite complete if they don't.

[A! Elbereth]

Oh, How I am greatly anxious to see what they will do!!!!

:flamer: :flamer: :flamer: :flamer: :flamer:

[TheRingBearer]

Maybe to make up for cutting out the scouring he'll add some parts from the appendixs like what happens to the other hobbits and the rest of the fellowship.

[Tar-Ancalimë]

He's cutting out the scouring!!!???

[Orkybash]

Yeah, you didn't know about that? I thought it was old news by now.

[Pil]

It may be known to most...but it still SUCKS beyond belief!!!!!! :angry: verymad :angry:

It would be really good to have as the last thing we see, legolas and gimli sailing off together in legolas' boat, with gimli having a look on his face so that we know that he's thinking of how he's gonna see galadriel again... :loveyou:

[Narsil's weilder]

Well damn Iam, he can't be telling the truth.

[Elf angel]

Originally posted by Pil
It may be known to most...but it still SUCKS beyond belief!!!!!! :angry: verymad :angry:

It would be really good to have as the last thing we see, legolas and gimli sailing off together in legolas' boat, with gimli having a look on his face so that we know that he's thinking of how he's gonna see galadriel again... :loveyou:

Boat?

I don't know about you guys but i feel sad thinking after next year TROTK ..there won't be any 'waiting' anymore..no excitement anymore..mecry mecry..no more new Legolas cool battle moves anymore...nothing to anticipate ..nothng..mecry mecry..

I think i just go over to FOTR & stay there until TTT comes out mecry..

[Pil]

Originally posted by Elf angel
Boat?

In the timeline at the back of rotk....it might be the last thing on there....it says that when all the people in the fellowship in me hav died, legolas builds a boat and he and gimli go sailing off to valinor... :loveyou:

[Bonos-Girl]

they should have this thing showing 10 years later or something.....that would be really cool but i don't think it would go with the rest of the story

[Elf angel]

Originally posted by Pil
In the timeline at the back of rotk....it might be the last thing on there....it says that when all the people in the fellowship in me hav died, legolas builds a boat and he and gimli go sailing off to valinor... :loveyou:

Yeah i know about that Pil..but i thought my Elf warrior built a ship..?Emmm i go & check again..:grin:

[Pil]

Originally posted by Elf angel
i thought my Elf warrior built a ship..?

Ship.....boat.....sorry if i wasn't ENTIRELY ACCURATE! :( :angry:

[Bonos-Girl]

whoa...calm down...i don't really think it matters whether it was a boat or a ship......

[Catz]

hell kiddies.....as long as it floats ;) lol tho one guy, even if he is the blond elf god, would have a hard time building a ship i think....
yeah id like to see leggsie and gimli travelling oversea getting a mention....but frankly, ROTK is a long way off and im pretty sure that PJ has left his options open...that movie isnt edited yet, and wont be for quite a while....guess we just have to wait and see.....and hey....after ROTK we get to look forward to marathon viewings of all three movies at once....cool:cool:
:catz:

[Elf angel]

Originally posted by Pil
Ship.....boat.....sorry if i wasn't ENTIRELY ACCURATE! :( :angry:

I'm sorry Pil...didn't mean to make you:angry:...:grin:

Here..have a drink..entdraught
:evilcool:

[Bonos-Girl]

can i have one too please?!!.....:beer:

[Pil]

:beer: :beer: :beer:

We can all drink together! *group hug for pil, bonos-girl and elf angel* :cuddles: :)

[Elf angel]

entdraught :wiggle:
:evilcool:

[Bonos-Girl]

:beer: entdraught :beer:

[Eowyn]

can I join in with drinks?
:beer: :beer: :beer: :beer:
drinks for everyone!

[Pil]

I'm actually gonna feel soooooo bad when ROTK is over....i mean....that's it you know? It's sad... mecry

[A! Elbereth]

I know exactly what you mean! All that suspense and great discussions about the upcoming movie will be gone! all gone! noooo!! All my hope will leave me! It will be the end of the world as we know it! (ok... maybe not) lol

[Bonos-Girl]

the only thing that i hope they won't do is the hobbit as a film cos although it would carry on with the lotr thing, it would be awful...i mean, look at star wars for gods sake!!!

[Eowyn]

thats true but hey we have over a year and a half, kind of, till its released. plenty of time to enjoy ourselves so stop the depressing conversation. ( :huh: not normally that positive? what has come over me? maybe I'm ill.....)

[TheRingBearer]

So I suppose we do want time to go slowly... but then again.. lol ;)

[A! Elbereth]

I want time to go as slow as possible!!! But while I'm at school, it can rush as much as it wants, no argument there

[Tar-Ancalimë]

Originally posted by Bonos-Girl
the only thing that i hope they won't do is the hobbit as a film cos although it would carry on with the lotr thing, it would be awful...i mean, look at star wars for gods sake!!!

I hope with all my heart they WILL do the Hobbit! I love SW!!!
ADORE it in fact. and once LotR is over ill want MORE!!! MOREMOREMOREMOOOOOOOOOOORE!!!!!!!

though after RotK there is the marathon watching! *yes yes YES!*

[Little Devil]

End of ROTK, end of LOTR, end of the world nooooooooooo :mecry:

[Lynx]

yeah, I want them to do the hobbit, too. Just cus the prequel to the original star wars didn't turn out so great doesn't mean that the hobbit wouldn't turn out great.

I think it would turn out better than that happened with star wars because they might actually be able to find actors that know how to act.

Lynx

[A! Elbereth]

.... My heart is set on The Lord of the Rings.... I don't think I could ever enjoy a book/movie as much... but I will try to like The Hobbit as much too

[Narsil's weilder]

Yeah. I am with you Elbereth.

[TheRingBearer]

Me too! ;)

[Pil]

I like the hobbit for different reasons... :huh: :read:

[Eowyn]

I would quite like to see smaug. I think that could be quite good. and those riddles....... not all of them though.

[Loravarnion Darkstone]

Elijah and Ian have actually made refference to filming the grey havens and it being the most emotional scene they've ever filmed ever.
given that corny ending, I doubt that is what they meant.

[Lady Ashley]

Personally, I don't wanna see The Hobbit the Movie...just 'cause PJ should leave a little bit of Tolkien's world un-movied and give people a chance to imagine it as they will.

The Hobbit was my first intro to Middle-Earth! That's where I first imagined Hobbits and Rivendell and the Elves and everything. I'd like others to do that to, see what they can come up with on their own, without seeing it Master PJ's way.

Besides, I don't want PJ to edit out anything. Goodness, who knows what he would do to it!

[Pil]

Originally posted by Eowyn
I would quite like to see smaug.

Now THAT owuld be a challenge...a dragon that needs to look like a real beast that could exist...but also talking and intelligent...fine line...eh? :huh:

[Eowyn]

yep! I wonder if PJ could pull it off?

[Narsil's weilder]

I think with all the things he is doing woth Helm's Deep, he can do anything.

[Eowyn]

good point! well I hope he accepts the challenge!

[Lintefaniel]

Pray tell Boys and Girls, what does smaug mean? I am anxious to see RotK and having just discovered this site can't wait to hear all the gossips too!!:whoohoo:

[Eowyn]

:o ok smaug is a dragon :o He's the dragon in the hobbit.

enjoy the site! :wave:

[TheRingBearer]

By the time The Hobbit would be finished if it ever got made, just think of the technology advances and what might be possible ;) Still a challenge though, of course.

[A! Elbereth]

Well, with one look at Gollum its almost as if technology now could pull anything off ;)

[Lintefaniel]

Thanks Eowyn, I should have known that, momentary brain fart of some sorts....:blush: ;)

[Eowyn]

thats ok! glad I could help. :)

[Elentari]

I will have faith that this is just a casual answer from Holm, and that the ending will indeed include the Grey Havens, and hopefully Sam's return home as well.

Keeping my fingers crossed,
El

[Ithielnor]

I think The Hobbit idea is a good one, after all there is the Silmarillion to imagine for ourselves still. Also, I've read that PJ has the rights to it and may do somthing http://www.mckellen.com/epost/lotr/l021029.htm (second post down)

I've seen the phrase 'marathon viewing' twice and it struck me that maybe we would eventually get it down to the point that, we start somtime new years eve, and as the clock strikes twelve sam says to rosie "Well, I'm back!":). Just an Idea.

[Lintefaniel]

Thanks for the link Ithielnor! I check up on mckellan.com sometimes but I missed that one. Marathon viewing sounds like an excellent idea to me. I could watch these flicks many times uncounted.....

[Ithielnor]

Ok another question. I've seen many suggestions for an ending, but we know that the climax is gollums death, how do you suggest that PJ cary it on so the audiance dosn't feel that the movie is over, or will he need to.

PRECIOUSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSsssssssssss.......... .....


:evil::flamer::evilcool::flamer::evil:
sorry, couldin't resist.

[Faramir]

I really hope there is something (narration maybe, or even text) that tells of Sam going to the Havens, and Merry and Pippin being burried in Gondor next to King Elessar (Aragorn) when he dies. Also, Legolas and Gimli sailing to the Havens, bringing an end to Middle Earth of the Fellowship of the Ring.

[Narsil's weilder]

How about this: Biblo's b-day at Rivendel and the camera goes around the table and Bilbo as the narrator tells of how they come to their end.

[Lorien]

PJ is crazy!!! The scouring is the coolest part!!!!! I think it will end somewhat like the book. Lets just wait and find out. We can wait right? AHHHHHHH

[ImDaMom]

But no scouring of the shire....could work out ok if Bilbo and Frodo get to sail into the sunset, and Sam, Merry and Pippin return to Hobbiton. I'll miss having grima kill off Saruman, but hey....we all must give something up so others may keep them.

[Bonos-Girl]

dontcha thinjk that sailing off int9o the sunset may be just a little too cheesy!!!!

[Sauron]

I've seen pics of sam returning home, in his daughter's profile at theonering.net so i'm imageing that, to be the end, maybe later sam will read a letter to him telling the buryal of Merry/Pippin and Legolas/Gimli sailing

just a thought

[Iarfirithwen]

I just read in an interview with PJ that he says the final scene in the ROTK is his favourite and its the Grey Havens.

"{Jackson has already earmarked the film's final scene, which takes place amid the sweeping landscape of the Grey Havens, as his favourite.

"To me, it's a culmination of the entire story; it represents what it is to give and what it is to lose," he says. "That scene is probably the most powerful part of the entire film." }"
The whole thing is over at TORn here (http://www.theonering.net/perl/newsview/8/1038781134)

[Orkybash]

Heh... I was just gonna post the exact same thing, but you beat me to it! :) Good to hear that it's in!

[Adunauriel]

I hope his version of the Grey Havens is as mystifying as how I magined it... I read that part in the book, and almost started crying. I hope it conveys that same emotion to me in the movie.... ;)

[Tar-Palantir]

Well, i have seen some pics that show Sam & Elanor, E. is in Sams lap. Just like the ending of RotK, "Well, I'm back", he said.

[Faramir]

mmm...where?

[Tar-Palantir]

Dont remember, ill try to find out.

[Narsil's weilder]

Here it is:
http://www.quintessentialwebsites.com/lordoftherings/moviecast/cast_elanor_85x100.jpg

[Faramir]

Actually, I'm pretty sure that that is Sam embracing her outside, coming up to her. Not exactly like the end of the book.

[Orkybash]

But close enough that I can still call it true to the spirit. :)

It says in one of the commentaries that Galadriel does an ending naration. It might show Frodo going off to the Havens, then it shows quick shots of all the other members of the fellowship while Galadrial says what happens...

Though now that I really think about it, that has the potential to be really cheesy if it's not done well!

[Gwaihir]

I hope it's true! I hope it ends just like the book did! Wouldn't it be terrible without the Grey Havens? Eleanor is really cute, I think. She really fits the part. roflmao

[A! Elbereth]

They will have the Grey Havens, and no doubt. Peter -- no wait -- NOBODY is stupid enough not to have the Grey Havens! Its my favorite part of the story!!!!

[Narsil's weilder]

Since PJ added in the part with the elves leaving in FOTR Extended version I would think it was in the movie.

[TheRingBearer]

Yeah he does cause I remember hearing somewhere that he has wached a rough cut of the film twice and says it is very emotional and ends at the grey havens

[ImDaMom]

Just a quick note to all those who are worried about the enthusiasm dying down after ROTK- Of course, life will go on, albeit empty without Aragorn, Frodo, Legolas et al. But, that's what the books are there for. I have read them for 30 years now, and I can tell you that the love for the books and now the movies will NEVER fade. Do not despair. LOTR will never be far from our hearts.

[A! Elbereth]

Never will it stray from *my* heart! The spirit will endure. :whoohoo:

[ImDaMom]

Originally posted by imdamom55
Just a quick note to all those who are worried about the enthusiasm dying down after ROTK- Of course, life will go on, albeit empty without Aragorn, Frodo, Legolas et al. But, that's what the books are there for. I have read them for 30 years now, and I can tell you that the love for the books and now the movies will NEVER fade. Do not despair. LOTR will never be far from our hearts. O Elbereth Gilthoniel! We still remember, we who dwell in this far land beneath the trees, thy starlight on the Western Seas.

[A! Elbereth]

amen! :)

Ok, now I want that in my siggy... is that ok with you?

[ImDaMom]

A! Elbereth- of course you may use it. I certainly cannot claim credit, and the words rightly belong to your screen name.

Long live the haflings! Praise them with great praise!
Cuio i Pheriain anann! Aglar'ni Pheriannath!

[Laurelin]

It doesn't sound like that bad of an ending, not great though. I wouldn't mind if they added some nice music.. and the grey havens, and the sailing away into the sky....

[Lady Melody]

Well, putting the scouring aside... (since Galadriel didn't show the troubles of the Shire to Sam in FOTR, obviously no scouring)... I guess my hopes for the ending would be that there is the wedding, the hobbits in their armour, Legolas and Gimli going off to grey havens... etc...

I'd just love if they could put the Paths Of The Dead (And PJ you better!).... I wanna know how'd it look like!!

[Iorlas]

Why do people think that it was Galadriel who is going to do the narration for the end of ROTK when she didn't do it for the opening of FOTR?
The narrator is Arwen. The elvish in the background at the beginning sounded more like her. Sure the voice in FOTR sounded like Galadriel but if Arwen is older then she could easily start sounding more like her mother. Arwen lives past the death of Aragorn and the leaving of the rest of the fellowship. So it would make sense for her to be the one to do the finishing narration since she is the only one left who "remembers."
In Appendix A, at the end of the Tale of Aragorn and Arwen:
"...(Arwen) she laid herself to rest upon Cerin Amroth; and there is her green grave until the world is changed, and all the days of her life are uttlerly forgotten by men that come after..."
This supports that she was the one narrating FOTR, especially that "the world is changed."
So most likely we will hear about, or see to some degree, the fate of the rest of the fellowship and see the vision of Elrond in the Two Towers movie come to pass for Arwen.
Sorry for the length, just trying to get all my points in one hit.

[Narsil's weilder]

Very good point Lorlas, however i think many have aknowledged Galadriel as the true speaker of the narration. But we could be wrong.

[Hedon]

@Iorlas: The one who does the narration in the beginning is Cate Blanchett. You can hear Liv Tyler mumbling something in elvish for a few seconds in the beginning of the introduction, but the rest is spoken by Cate.

[Iorlas]

I understand that Cate did the speaking, but my point is that it isn't necessarily her character Galadriel that is the one speaking it as I stated in my post that her daughter may acquire more of her mother's vocal tone as she ages.
So yes I agree that Cate who does play Galadriel has her voice in the narration but I mean that it is not necessarily that character that it is meant for.
As for Liv Tyler's voice in the background, that could mearly signify that her voice of youth is a memory of the past as she is recalling the tale of the Lord of the Rings.

[Iorlas]

A little thing that I forgot to mention in my first post that may or may not prove my point that Arwen is/will be the narrator for the movies: Liv Tyler did a song that is suppose to be at or around the end of the movie.
This may mean that if she did the narration at the end of the film, then this would flow well in the end connecting her character to a song by the actress who played her that may or may not have to do with Arwen's sadness of the passing world.

[Faramir]

Are you saying that Arwen is Galadriel's daughter? Did I miss something while reading "The Lord of the Rings"?

[Lorien]

Arwen is not Galadriel's daughter but here grandaughter. Galadriel's daughter married Elrond around the beginning of the third age. Galadriel goes all the way back to when Elfs were first born(similarion). Arwen's song is in ROTK. Cate Blanchett as Galadriel did the narration. I believe this because she went through the war of the ring in the second age. If you want to learn more read the similarion or read the appendix at the end of the ROTK.

[Iorlas]

True that Arwen was born after the second age but she could easily have been told and committed to memory the history of the middle earth and beyond from Galadriel.
Anyway, I will not continue to argue on this issue anymore since there are way too many variables that PJ controls that I am not aware of. So I will just believe my little theory and let you all on you way so we may all find out next year.