A chat with the Professor over second breakfast =)

[Periantari Andruil]

What would you say to Professor Tolkien if he were still alive?
Would you ask about his ideas about how he wrote such a classic epic?
Or would you be more interested in his personal life?

Given a chance to go back in time, what would you ask him?
:)

[HobbitFriend]

ooo this sounds interesting! :grin:

Well, really, i'm not sure what i'd say to him! I mean i'd be totally in shock that i was actually talking to my favorite author of all time who wrote my favorite books! :o So... i'd probably go on and on about how i loved his books and would probably make him tell me more about Middle-Earth and Frodo and Sam, etc.. Like what ever did happen with Aragorn and Arwen? Just little details ;) I'd like to know more about Valinor... what did it look like, does Frodo and the Elves live forever when they get there? Why is it called the "Undying Lands?" do you never die if you go there? I'd also like to know if Ungoliant and Shelob were in any way related... they seemed so similar while i was reading that part of the Silmarillion :p

I'm sure i'd end up thinking of many questions to ask him ;) But they'd mostly be about Middle-Earth than his own life. Like i may ask him if certain parts of the book reflected his own life and such, but probably not too many personal things... :read:

[Lady Luthien]

I would probably faint in disbelief...no, j/k. I would start off by asking him how he came up with his fascinating myth, and what sparked his imagination to conjure up things like hobbits, elves, ringwraiths, etc. I would also ask him how he began to write and shape his fantasy story because I am also trying to create my own fantasy world but I don't know where to begin so I would ask advice on novel writing. Very interesting question!

[Lady Ashley]

I'd ask what happened to Eowyn and Faramir...kids? death dates? How many daughters did Arwen and Aragorn have? COULD HE SIGN MY BOOKS??? Did Elves have long hair and pointy ears? What color was Legolas's hair? What happened to the sons of Elrond and Celeborn? Was Glorfindel in FOTR the same as the one who fought the Balrog in Beleriand?

And the most important question of all...

Do Balrog's have wings??

[Hobbit]

I'd also ask questions about Middle Earth and it's characters. I'm too shy to ask about his personal life. :blush:

I'd ask things like: Are children of a elf/men relationship always mortal, or are they always immortal or does it depends on other factors too? Who are the other two wizards next to Gandalf, Radagast and Saruman? Did Meaglin betray Gondolin becouse he became evil after Idrils wedding or is he a great yet tragic character who lossed his mind becouse of his sorrow and grief? Which character represents you the most throughout the stories or did you never based a character on yourself?
Are orcs mortal or are they still immortal? Who wielded Orcrist, the twinblade of Glamdring from Turgon, in Gondolin?(before Thorin Oakshield found it in the trollcave) And which elf owned Sting before it was lost during the fall of Gondolin?

I'd probably babble allot about how I love his works and that I'd love to hear more about Middle Earth and Beleriand and aout the fates of the characters and at the end I will definatly ask if he wants to sign the books.

[HobbitFriend]

well, i'd want to ask him about writing a fantasy story too, as Lady Luthien mentioned, and Lady Ashley... in regards to Balrogs having wings, i think Tolkien already answered that one ;) The Fellowship of the Ring - The Bridge of Khazad Dum: His enemy halted again, facing him, and the shadow about it reached out like two vast wings. since the Balrog is made of shadow and flame, then you would assume that the Balrog did have wings... in the form of shadows. :grin:

[Lady Ashley]

lol I see, but it would be nice to get the answer straight from the horse's mouth, so to speak. But that, I must, say, is one of the most original answers I've ever heard!

No asking personal questions for me. Strictly book. (And I would also ask if it's a conicidence about the Three Rings and the Three Silmarils being quite alike. (ya know, one was tossed into the sea, another a fiery chasm, the third into the air with Earendil, and the Three Rings being Fire, Water and Air.)

[HobbitFriend]

lol yeah, just imagine if he answered all of our questions in "riddles" like that! lol

[Ithielnor]

I would complain that he didn't write enough about Moria. I always wanted to know more about that. How big was it? How many dwarves lived there? When was durin's bane awoken? Who did it? What I really want is an adventure story in the depths of Khazad-dum. ;)

[HobbitFriend]

oooo that'd be interesting!! :hyper:

[Steve the Great]

I'd like to ask him about the "undiscovered" lands of Arda. I mean, we have quite well-detailed information about ME, but I'm sure, that there are a lot of interesting palces, peoples and events e.g. in the eastern lands of Arda (beyond the Sea of Rhûn) :)
And I'm so curious to know something about the life of the Blue Wizards who had gone to the east and "passed out of all knowledge" :stomper:

[Periantari Andruil]

yes, those are interesting q's to ask, STG.. i also would like to know if Balrog really have wings... i heard from some that they do, some that they don't.... now what is the truth? :p

if he were still here in the present, i would ask him about what he thinks about the movies... he must like something about the movies i believe but i would also like to hear his criticisms...

i would like for him to explain his though processes when developing his characters... all the hobbits, all the characters in the Fellowship possess certain characteristics that distinguishes themselves.... i would ask if he derived any of their characteristics and personalities from people that he had known in his life...

i would also like to ask him what HIS expectations about LOTR was... certainly i think he was surprised at the acclaim that the Hobbit got when it first sold, but for LOTR, since it's so much grander in scope, did he expect it to really become popular in the 60s? what did he think about the mixed reviews he got?

I also wanted to ask a little about what he thought about his children... Christopher Tolkien became his literary executor after his death, but did he expect him to publish all his work that he didn't have a chance to publish?

[Steve the Great]

Maybe it would be very interesting to know whether he write LOTR (or certain events or characters in the book) in a different way if he lived in these days?
He deprecated the undue industrial developement (or some people think he did so) - e.g. in the fall of Saruman, so I'd be very curious to his opinion about our high-tech and globalised World.

[Periantari Andruil]

yeah i think that the times that he wrote it in had an effect on how he wrote it.. .certainly where he lived, (in Sarehole?) for part of his life was pretty Shire-like... he said on certain occasions that he was like a hobbit... he liked food, smoking, peace and quiet...
Even he always claimed that LOTR did not mean to be an allegory, the chapter Scouring of the Shire can be seen as young soldiers coming of age after a big war... and also can be seen as resistance against technological advances ...
but yes, i do feel like LOTR, written in the time that it was, is kind of reflective of Tolkien's attitudes during those times, but it would be a good question to ask since our world now is ten times more technological advanced... it'll be really interesting to know what he would think about technology's use of making his book a hit movie! =) That'll be a really neat question, Steve :thumbs:

[HobbitFriend]

Originally posted by Periantari Andruil
it'll be really interesting to know what he would think about technology's use of making his book a hit movie! =) That'll be a really neat question, Steve :thumbs: Yeah, it's really quite ironic! Tolkien didn't really like all the technology that was coming out in his time, but over the years that technology was enhanced and increased and technology is what made his masterpiece into a "hit movie" as PA says! ...a perfect example of irony!

[Steve the Great]

I think he wouldn't be very happy, if saw that "hype" which accompanies the distribution and marketing campaign of movies nowdays (tons of merchandising - e.g. LOTR-figures for Burger King menus ).

[Periantari Andruil]

that's true... he didn't really even like the 60s hype in America that accompanied his books...

also, i would like to ask had he had time, what would he write about on ME in the Fourth Age.... that would mostly be about Men i suppose, but that would be interesting as well =)

[Steve the Great]

Yeah, it would be really cool to know something about the life of the other races in the 4th Age.
Have the Ents found their Entwives and have they liveed together in harmony till the end of their (or our) days?
What did the dwarves do in the 4th Age? Could they conquer Khazad-dúm at last?

Many exciting questions! :whoohoo:

[HobbitFriend]

mmm :hyper: too bad he didn't get to write about that :( I always wondered about the Entwives...
I'd also like to ask him what he personally thought of the movies... whether he thought they stayed true to his book for the most part, or if he thought it totally ruined his vision of the books. I actually think Tolkien would be a very understanding man... i don't think he would have hated the movies but i don't think he would have totally loved them either... but that's discussion for another thread ;)

[Periantari Andruil]

i also wonder if he had intended for Boromir to die after he was tempted to take the Ring... so did he intend for his death because he succumbed to Evil?
Some critics seem to think that the forces of Middle Earth are too drawn between the bad guys and good guys, but i do not think that is so... but the fate of Boromir seems like one done out of consequence for his action... so i wonder about that :)

[Goldilocks Underhill]

I'm actually writing a book, by myself and it's also a phantasy and I try the most I can to not imitate the Master, hèhè.
I would ask him how in Middle-earts way he invented this whole world!! Because I have also a whole new world in my mind, but he made also languages, names for everything and so on. And I don't want to imitate him at all, so I am also creating a new language, but I can't understand how he did this all!!

[Periantari Andruil]

That sounds great Goldilocks! I wish you luck in that endeavor :thumbs:

Tolkien, a linguist derived lots of his words of Quenya from, i think Finnish and Welsh, his two favorite languages.....
before writing his Middle-Earth, Tolkien was well-versed with many languages and i think one of the most important things that helped him create his world, is his abilty to use words to make up a whole new world and vocabulary for his made up peoples....
Because he was a linguist/phiLologist and because his chief interests lay in the linguistic aspects of early English, he used this to his advantage to help him with names in his world....
i find this quite amazing myself and asking him more about his processes of thinking about what to write is also a good thing to ask :)

He also read lots of mythology which really influenced his mythology of Middle-Earth as well.... (which is a topic of another thread....once i get it up that is) ;)

[Frodo's Love]

You should get it it up, Andruil! :thumbs:

I've read quite an interesting book on how Tolkien got influenced by myths and legends such as "The Ring of the Niblungs" (is that the correct English term for it? I've read it in German, there it is called "Der Ring des Nibelungen"), and the Scandinavian Edda, for example.

Goldilocks - good luck with your book! :thumbs: And inventing a language is quite a mystery to me (perhaps you could ask Igtica or YayBoromir! about it, because they also invented their own languages :grin: ). And being a linguist surely helps in creating a new language. ;)

(Heh, Andruil - I've finally managed to come over here, which I had promised ages ago...;) )

[Goldilocks Underhill]

Thank you, guys for supporting and helping me!!
I will look some books up about Tolkien & mythology and so on... I'm interessed in languages too and I'd like to study something with languages, but what I don't know yet. hèhè
Thank you guys again!! :thumbs:

[Periantari Andruil]

No problem, Goldilocks! :thumbs: that's what we're here for :)

(Heh, Andruil - I've finally managed to come over here, which I had promised ages ago... )

FL--yay! you've finally arrived to give a great post... :smooch:
and yes after posting this i'm going to put up a new thread in here.. it's long overdue ;)
But yes, Tolkien did have the help of being fluent in several languages and also being interested and a professional upon the history and origins of the language... reading myths also helped him in his endeavor to creating his own mythology :)

[Periantari Andruil]

Question: If there were any character that you wished for Tolkien to have added or elaborated on, who would it be and why? =)

[dr_em2001]

we all know Tolkien was simply a genius, but what do you wish he would have come up with that would have been cool? An example for me is that the Ent-wives are what evolved into hobbits. Treebeard said himself that the Shire sounds like a place that the Entwives would like, so i always hoped it would come out in the end that the hobbits were the decendents of the Entwives.

[Steve the Great]

... decendents of the Entwives
We can read in the Prologue (?) that the hobbits had come somewhere from the upper vales of Anduin or the northern part of Misty Mounations, so they're not the descendents of the Ents...
But you're absolutelly right that so many exciting possibility can be found in he books of Tolkien...

[Lady Melanie]

Umm I need to think about this one!:naughty:

[Rumil]

Hmmm .... let me see ... i always wanted to know what happened to Maglor, the last of the sons of Feanor left in ME, the last reference to him is right at the end of The Sil "thereafter he wandered ever upon the shores, singing in pain and regret". Does this mean that he is still hob nobbing around ME somewhere at the end of the third age? .... must have quite a sore throat by now ;)

[Periantari Andruil]

lol that's funny, Ru =) yeah finding out what happened to him would be something cool to find out :grin:

I would like to ask the Prof who his favorite character was. =) maybe some characters that he kind of in a vague way base on a real person he knew?
That would be cool to find out i think =)

[Goldilocks Underhill]

Second breakfast!! :hooray:

[Rumil]

lol goldilocks ... a true hobbit's response to a breakfast discussion ..... eat!! I think JRR would have really appreciated that.

[Frodo's Love]

*stomach growls*

May I - a hungry little hobbit - join you for Second Breakfast? ;) :grin:

Originally posted by Rumil
Hmmm .... let me see ... i always wanted to know what happened to Maglor, the last of the sons of Feanor left in ME, the last reference to him is right at the end of The Sil "thereafter he wandered ever upon the shores, singing in pain and regret". Does this mean that he is still hob nobbing around ME somewhere at the end of the third age? .... must have quite a sore throat by now ;) roflmao Oh, poor Maglor. Let's hope that he made his way to Valinor finally. ;) Or that he at least was relieved from his pain and regret.

But not knowing how some things went on or what could have happened in between situations Tolkien described goes straight to one's own imagination or interpretation of "what-could-have-happened". That is what it is for me. I never had this experience that strongly with other books before, and there are so many things I would have liked to ask the Professor. First and foremost what has happened to Frodo in Valinor. :)

Peri An, interesting question about Tolkien's own fave charater... I'd really like to know....

[Rumil]

You are most welcome Frodo's Love .... grab a chair, some eggs, toast, a pot of tea (somehow coffee doesn't seem very 'shire' to me) and pitch in. You are so right about the scale of JRR's imagination giving so much room to our own. Basically there is so much to latch on to.

[Periantari Andruil]

aww FL you're always welcome to indulge in food with us! :smooch: and yes... if he included something about what happened to everyone in Valinor (especially Frodo & Sam when he goes too) then it would be really interesting to know... and what does happen to all 13 of Sam's children? The Prof should've written about the Fourth Age of ME... i think he was thinking about it but never did manage to write something...

also... did Legolas and Gimli ever find Valinor also? Since Gimli's mortal, did he then die on the ship with Legolas?

So many things to write about and think about... haha no wonder there are so many fanfics out there ;) hehe (well some are gap-fillers anyways....) :p =) hehe

[Goldilocks Underhill]

It's really sad to see that Frodo never got married. I mean, if he was even cute in the book as he was in the movie, I would have married him!! Are those hobbitgirls blind? lol

[Periantari Andruil]

i know... it would be interesting to ask what Tolkien thinks of this lol
but i think Tolkien wanted Frodo to be like Bilbo, single and unattached so that undergoing this journey wouldn't evoke so much curiosity to so many relatives... Crickhollow was a cover-up but if Frodo is not attached with his own family, it's easier for him to depart.... even Middle-Earth in the end mecry
but i would like to ask Tolkien whether he thought that Frodo was like a Christ-like figure... in giving up his life for this Quest...
he sure is a hero to me :loveyou:
hehe (ok i'll go to the I Love threads now) ;) =) :grin: :p

[Goldilocks Underhill]

ooh ooh, you should do that!

Yeah, Frodo is a bit strange in the movie, partly because of the ring, but I think that the death of his parents is also a part of it. He is very emotional, I think, and therefore a great hero. Because a hero without emotions is a twit. lol

Gosh, I'll go to the ' and blablabla-thread' :p

[Periantari Andruil]

yeah ..it's right here... http://www.warofthering.net/forums/vbulletin225/upload/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1205&perpage=15&pagenumber=1

please make yourself at home there ;)

but yes, i would also like to ask the Prof whether he regretted ever editing out some of the things that he didn't have in the final LotR.. for example..i remember reading today about the part where Gandalf named Frodo and Sam these special Elvish names (Bronwe athan Harthad, Harthad Uluithiad) during the field of Cormallen or during celebrations, but that never came through at the final draft... so the question is whether or not he would like to either put some more passages into it or cut anything that he deem uneccessary...
also want ask why he didn't include the part between when Frodo and Sam were rescued by the Eagles to the part where Sam woke 14 days later...
one can also ask about the missing scenes between Books 1 and 2... so how was Frodo actually healed by Elrond? (ok i like detail hehe... or my imagination will run wild and i'll start writing fanfics... well i guess that's why certain fanfics exist) hehe :p ;) =)

[Radagast]

May I join you for some chit chat and some 2nd Breakfast?

[Periantari Andruil]

Of course, Radagast :thumbs:
feel free to ask the Prof anything... well we would like answers... but asking possible q's for him is cool too =) (though we will never get answers from him directly) lol

I would like to know what motivates him to work in college... he's such an academic scholar... what does he do when the procrastinatory bug get him? lol
(PA's having that problem right now) lol

[Radagast]

Proffesor.. Who was Tom Bombadil?

(tuff one hehe ) lol

[Periantari Andruil]

lol That's a common question to ask.. i wonder if he elaborates more about him in the "Tolkien Reader"... has anyone read that?

[Frodo's Love]

Originally posted by Periantari Andruil
I would like to know what motivates him to work in college... he's such an academic scholar... what does he do when the procrastinatory bug get him? lol
(PA's having that problem right now) lol Should you ever äget an answer to this, please let me know immediately. ;)
i remember reading today about the part where Gandalf named Frodo and Sam these special Elvish names (Bronwe athan Harthad, Harthad Uluithiad) during the field of Cormallen or during celebrations, but that never came through at the final draft... so the question is whether or not he would like to either put some more passages into it or cut anything that he deem uneccessary... I'll take a closer look at "Sauron defeated" (HoME), perhaps there will be an explanation? :huh:

[Radagast]

Yes Hello again.. I was just out buying some things for the breakfast....

So Proffessor... You said in a letter to a fan:

J.R.R. Tolkien in a letter to Herbert Schiro - November 17, 1957

"There is no 'symbolism' or conscious allegory in my story. Allegory of the sort 'five wizards = five senses' is wholly foreign to my way of thinking. There were five wizards and that is just a unique part of history. To ask if the Orcs 'are' Communists is to me as sensible as asking if Communists are Orcs."

Some say that Dwarves are a reference to Jews.. is that (as Communists=Orcs) just a silly lie, or was it a secret opinion? I hate to be rude, Prof. But I want to set things straight.. :)

[Frodo's Love]

I honestly think the allegories were created by the readers themselves. Tolkien indeed clearly stated that he "only wanted to tell a tale", not giving references to the real world or wanting to form moral opinions or messages - even though he was surely influenced to work out some of his own experiences in life, such as the First World War.

[Radagast]

Okay thanks!!!

(By the way Gongratz on making it to the staff Frodo's Love!)

[Frodo's Love]

Thanks Radagast! I feel quite honoured being accepted as a mod for the Professor. :)

...but only because Tolkien wasn't thinking too much of allegories in LOTR, I think it would still be quite interesting why it is so appealing thinking of allegories, and what the effects are.

That reminds me: HobbitFriend has written an amazing essay on Tolkien's uses of allusion: http://www.warofthering.net/forums/vbulletin225/upload/showthread.php?s=&threadid=4234

Definitely worth the read. If you haven't read it before, go now and check it out! :grin:

[Radagast]

That is an amazing essay!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! great job!!

I wrote a Year Assignment (21 pages) on Tolkien.. (its unfortunetly in danish...

[Periantari Andruil]

wow... what was your assignment focussed about pertaining to Tolkien? Sounds really cool that you did that Radagast! :thumbs:

A question unrelating to his books, but about the language side of him... :
i have another question for the Professor... i wonder what he thought about Langauge death? Language death happens when it is not spoken anymore by anyone because the last person who spoke it has died... Tolkien, being a phiLologist, one who studies language history, pronunciation, and the science of it must have a strong opinion relating to it... so what would he say about the extinction of many languages in this world that is to be replaced by the widely spoken ones like English, Mandarin Chinese, Spanish, Bengali and others?

That would be an interesting topic to discuss with him... :)

[Periantari Andruil]

Also would like to ask if he had a favorite character from LotR... or maybe if he could relate to anyone who had to go through the great war of that time. =)

[Frodo's Love]

Oh, I love your question, PA! :thumbs: I would be interested to hear Tolkien's answer on that. Though I could imagine that he would not have focussed on one character alone... I 'd rather guess he'd point out certain things he liked about the characters, just like Frodo's determination, Sam's devotion, or perhaps Gandalf's wisdom and transformation from Gandalf the Grey to Gandalf the White...
The possibilities are endless, in my humble opinion... what do you all think? :)

[Periantari Andruil]

possibly..it's hard to say... i wished fans of that time would've asked those q's to him so we can know =)
i wonder how he would respond to the numerous LotR fanfiction that is out ...i could imagine that some would just really anger him (like slash, mpreg) while maybe some he could stomach.. but probably the majority will anger him ...(since no one can really write as he writes...)

also would like to ask more about the morgul wound...i dunno..i'm interested in it... i think in history one Numenorean fell to it and died because of it... but how does it exactly work to affect the victim? :idea:

[Periantari Andruil]

I would also like to ask what he thought about his letters' analysis of the books... i mean his view about what he wrote about in LotR changed through time and maybe being detached from it for a while will give him a different perspective on certain issues and characters like why Frodo had to leave Middle-Earth... is there a spiritual reason in conjunction with Frodo feeling pain and never being the same again?

And maybe another question could be.. if he could rewrite one thing, one scene in LotR, the Sil, or The HObbit, what would it be?

and maybe if he had to redo it, would have sold the film rights to his books? ;) =) :cool:

[Cassandria]

Hey look what I found!!! This is a goldmine of a thread!!! veryhappy Very good thread Peri An!! :thumbs:

I would ask the dear Professor a zillion questions!!! :cool:

*sighs* Imagine having second breakfast with JRR Tolkien every Saturday...literary meetings kind of like the Tea Club and Barrovian Society. (Tolkien and his three friends were fond of having tea at 'the school library, illicitly' lol ;) and spent much of the time indulging in literature.) *shakes head and wakes from the daydream* :grin:

Oh yes, now hmmmm which of the zillion would I ask first? lol

Oh, I'd have to ask him if he were to write another book, about the lands and people of Middle Earth, who or what race would he choose to be the primary character? :cool:

I'd ask him what his intentions were when he chose the name of Glorfindel a second time. ;)

I'd ask him what it was that inspired his tale of Eärendil. veryhappy And I would tell him what it means to me. *sigh*

And, I would ask him to tell us what happened to the Entwives...just to see if I'm right in thinking they passed into the Halls of Mandos after being attacked and destroyed by Orcs! :(

Okay enough from me for now:p ...what would you ask him? ;)

[ImDaMom]

I'd want to hear more about Aragorn (of course) during the years that he fought as Thorongil. And, I'd like to ask him about 2 major (to me) plot holes that have bothered me for years-

1) In the books, in Bree when we first meet Strider, he pulls out his sword, and it's broken. In letters JRR wrote, he's very adamant about Strider not having a sword to use, because his is broken. Now, he's been wandering the wild for 60+ years, fighting orcs, serving under Thengel and Ecthelion, defending himself, etc. HOW?????
2) Again, in the books, we see Denethor and Saruman both looking into the Palantir. We are told that Sauron is reading their thoughts, and planting ideas in their minds. Yet, both know of Frodo's errand, but Sauron doesn't get this? He's either not very good at this mind reading stuff, or Denethor and Saruman are much stronger than we are led to believe.

[Elfdaughter]

Hmm, very good points, IDM! I hadn't actually picked up on that. I'd ask him what he thought of the film and radio adaptations, if they stayed true to his vision.

[Cassandria]

I'd want to hear more about Aragorn (of course) during the years that he fought as Thorongil. And, I'd like to ask him about 2 major (to me) plot holes that have bothered me for years-

1) In the books, in Bree when we first meet Strider, he pulls out his sword, and it's broken. In letters JRR wrote, he's very adamant about Strider not having a sword to use, because his is broken. Now, he's been wandering the wild for 60+ years, fighting orcs, serving under Thengel and Ecthelion, defending himself, etc. HOW?????
2) Again, in the books, we see Denethor and Saruman both looking into the Palantir. We are told that Sauron is reading their thoughts, and planting ideas in their minds. Yet, both know of Frodo's errand, but Sauron doesn't get this? He's either not very good at this mind reading stuff, or Denethor and Saruman are much stronger than we are led to believe.Oh very good questions IDM, they really got me to thinking...(yeah I know, dangerous business lol my thinkin that is lol)...perhaps he used a bow. :p And for #2, I don't remember that Saruman knew that Frodo was on a quest to Mount Doom. I thought he was bent on preventing the ring from ending up in the hands of the Gondorians. Denethor knew though. :-/ You've really got me curious now. I'm re-reading the LotR once again. :thud: This time I will keep those in mind! ;)

Hmmm dear Professor, I'm curious...we know that Celeborn stayed behind in ME to rule his newly expanded realm. Then he eventually grew weary of the east and passed on to be with his family in Aman. What were the details of the departure of the wood elves of Mirkwood and their king Thranduil. Did they linger as long as Celeborn? Were some of the elves that passed with the Ringbearers, of the woodland realm? :)

[ImDaMom]

And when did Thranduil et al depart ME?? Did Leggy become king at that point, or does Thranduil abdicate earlier? Can you imagine- you won't be king until daddy dies, but daddy's immortal. And everyone thinks Prince Charles has it bad!! lol lol

[Periantari Andruil]

I would ask him if he had meant to write more characters to die during the War of the Ring... did he mean for any member of the Fellowship to die? (Or his death toll numbers were what he meant for it to be?)