Elves in the Hobbit!!!!

[Friend of Maglor]

C'mon!!! Aren't you dying to discuss the multiple, many sided, sides of elves in the Hobbit?!

What about Legolas at Mirkwood?

Use of "old" and "young" by Bilbo as pertaining to elves?!

:elfeek:

[Ereinion]

Congrats on your first thread!:whoohoo:

I think the elves in "The Hobbit",much like dwarves,are described in a childish manner,wiht their funny songs and attitude...They don't remined me of the elves described in the LOTR and the Sil. Maybe it's because it's ment to be a kids book or because Tolkien wasn't sure yet about their nature as it was his first book.

[Friend of Maglor]

Thank you so much (it my first anywhere)!! lol

I think the childlike descriptipon can be excused if attributed to it being Bilbo's view, my goal being to excuse it as legitimate lore, as Tolkien loved to do.

And I believe that he had already a fundamentaly sound view of elves, his ideas of mythology had been going steady for a long time.

[Lady Ashley]

Welcome to WOTR, FriendofMaglor!

I didn't like the elves in The Hobbit at first. It was my first time reading about Tolkien Elves and though they were very mean to poor Bilbo and the Dwarves. Then when I read FOTR, I didn't like them because they were depressing and sad and, I felt at the time, whiney. lol

But I like Elves better now. The elves of Mirkwood are different from the High Elves, being less wise and more dangerous, as was said because they had never gone to Valinor. But who wouldn'nt have been wary in those days, when the forest was going from bad to worse?

[Friend of Maglor]

Thank you!

And I know what you mean about elves being sad and depressing, after all, I know one of the most depressed elves in all the history of Arda!!!

I like the Mirkwood elves because I think if I even make a movie of the Silm (I will you watch out!) they will provide the only aspecyt of humor possible for elves.

They take away the sarcam and put in blatant jesting! And as for being mean, I am surprised Gimli didn't give Legolas a harder time with the Mirkwood elves history of overdoing the wine!!! Tolk alludes to that even in TTT!!!

[Lady Ashley]

Wow, FoM, I did not make the 'click' about the wine thing in The Hobbit and TT until you mentioned it!

You're going to try and make The Sil the Movie? That's a hefty job, with all the info you've got to cram into it but good luck! and may the stars shine upon the end of your road and may Elbereth and Eru go with you!

[Friend of Maglor]

Thank you so much!!! It is a hefty dream to bring into reality.

Yeah, I got more of a kick out of Legolas displaying interest in the wine than anything else in the chapter!!

But honestly, now, instead of saying Mirkwood elves, does anyone really know which branch Thranduil's followers are?

[Lasgalen]

I don't like the way Mirkwood Elves were portrayed in The Hobbit. It makes us out to be a bunch of lushes.

[Friend of Maglor]

Well, my friend was always talking about Mirkwood elves and how they were in the first age, a great group of fighters... but very easily offended at councils when certain loose tongued sons of Feanor made certain comments about fighting when sober... You think Caranthir offended Aegnor? sheesh

[Lasgalen]

Originally posted by FriendofMaglor
You think Caranthir offended Aegnor? sheesh :huh: Aegnor is not a Mirkwood Elf. I don't understand what you are trying to say here. (And it has nothing to do with whether I am sober or not, so don't even think that)

[Friend of Maglor]

Just comparing Aegnor's anger with Caranthir to the Mirkwood elves' anger with Curu... er..... another elf. lol I realize our Aikanaro is not of Mirkwood !!!

[Lady Ashley]

Mirkwood elves in the First Age? What? Mirkwood wasn't settled until at least the beginning of the Third Age.

[Friend of Maglor]

pardon: it was Greenwood the great at first was it not? But even before it was founded:

I was only using Mirkwood elves instead of saying plain old silvan elves, or even wood elves would have been better!

Pardon the confusion, my mistake *low sweeping bow*

[Lady Ashley]

*waves a hand* 'tis alright. And yes, you are right: it was Greenwood the Great before 'Mirkwood'.

[Trahald]

I kind of liked the Hobbit elves of both Mirkwood and Rivendell. I felt Elrond was protrayed rather the same in Hobbit and the LoTR trilogy.. wise, hospitible and kingly. The Mirkwood elves, though very inhospitable to Bilbo and the dwarves, were living in an isolationists' paradise. They kept a tight guarded kingdom and it's understandable that they be suspicious of the travellers. I don't even think the singing and drinking to be out of place or character for them.

Also remember that the Hobbit tale took place before the Shadow in the East came, so of course elves became less frivolous in LoTR.

I find the differences in Elves almost as strange as the differences in Dwarves. Who else finds it odd that one so haughty as Thorin would even travel with the likes of Kili and Fili and Bombur?

...but that's another topic :)

[Friend of Maglor]

very true!!!! xellent observations!!! im sure fingolfin wouldnt travel around with the likes of legolas either lol

[Radagast]

Yes that is true..

The differens between the Elves are actually quite big.. Lotr compared...

They seem less wise, and more Hostile...

[Friend of Maglor]

(hello Radagast veryhappy)

yes, thats right, the difference is as great as the difference between wood elves and men when it comes to the Moriquendi and the Caliquendi..

[Helm Hammerhand]

Originally posted by Friend of Maglor
C'mon!!! Aren't you dying to discuss the multiple, many sided, sides of elves in the Hobbit?!

What about Legolas at Mirkwood?

Use of "old" and "young" by Bilbo as pertaining to elves?!

:elfeek:

I love elves tell me more

[Helm Hammerhand]

Who thinks Rohan is great?

[Radagast]

Welcome Helm Hammerhand.... Can you blow your horn?... roflmao ..I have been saving that one....

Rohan is great... there are some other "beings" that are greater but... there cool!

[elvenrocker]

i dont mind the way they are portrayed in the hobbit. the thing that bothers me most was the animated series, the hobbit. like, damn i thought they were orcs when i first saw them. they were hideous, green, blobs. well, perhaps they missed the "fair" description lol

[Friend of Maglor]

yes, *shudder*Ereinion hold that over my head so I dont at p...... they weren't elves, they were the decrepit and underfed ofspring of the jolly green giant and a gremlin.....

[Radagast]

The Green Goblin... Sorry just flew right out of me.. I dont know why? ;)

[Friend of Maglor]

AH!!!! them they would be metallic!!!!!!!*GASP* :elfeek:

[Gil Galad]

haha, this thread is near as "ridiculous" as the Elves in the Hobbit, i love it.