Best weapon for combat in the Fellowship

[Morgothian]

Who do you think had the best weapon in the Fellowship

[Ereinion]

Boromir! :boromir: He kicked some serious orc ss with that thing! :o And he had the coolest sheild!
If Aragorn had the Anduril in the movie it would have been an unfair competition,but since he didn't, Boromir rule! :rock:

[Friend of Maglor]

Yay for Boromir!!! I do not usually like mortals but Boromir was special!!

Of course alot of people are going to say Sting, and you hae to admit it could do what Boromir's sword got chipped doing. Boromir was just the best weaopn weilder.

[Ceri Bloom]

u no i aways did prefer the archer elf, but he wos unaturaly quick, cos of computer n all that. But his knives...just beyond imagining my friend! it wos all done himself, without computer editing. Also Gimli wos sooo funny...he just cracks me up with his axe...but he is not a scratch on Boromir or Legolas
:legolas: :boromir:

[Finrod Felagund]

Best weapon: Anduril, no question. Made by Telchar, ~7000 years old, reforged by Elves, magic scabbard, sword of kings, etc.

[Friend of Maglor]

ack, Finrod, you are smothering are excuses with factual proof and elven wisdom lol

[Saruman]

Gimli's axe, definitely. It's so powerful; just swing it around and all the orcs around you are dead. I assume we're talking about the big double headed axe, but there are also the ones that he throws like tomahawks, as wel as his infamous 'walking axe', lol which we see a lot of in TTT.
I don't suppose anyone's played the TTT game? Because of the upgrades you could kill a large uruk hai with only one swipe (excepting the berserkers, who are indeed berserk) of Gimli's axe, while as Aragorn or Legolas it takes at least two hits, even after using all the upgrades.

[Friend of Maglor]

i still saw in Gimili's case it is the weilder, not the weapon

[Ceri Bloom]

i think ur rite, i meen his strong spirit must have a part in his fighting right? Aragorn and Legolas have controlled natures, except 4 their weaknesses, which r just as fragile.

And Finrod-lighten up will u? this is about opinions, not facts. I meen the thread is named through a question isnt it? ne1 wanna bak me up here?

[Friend of Maglor]

lol i was just a tad blindd by his shining comments of elven wisdom (no, im not bing sarcastig!)

as far as weopons go FACT wise, stingand anduril would prob take it

[Ceri Bloom]

fact wise, i would have to study the weapons myslef to see which was made the best..best balance, balde, handle etc.

[Friend of Maglor]

exactly, we need that in an archer general :grin:

[Ceri Bloom]

awww thnx maggy ur gonna make me blush :blush: i just like doing stuff like that. But i have 2 have perfect stuff, Ruby nos that very well..as i can be very picky! i stil say Legolas' knives rule the arena thou :hyper:

[Friend of Maglor]

*bows*
i prefer the heavier and deadlier (but not so fast) vrsions myself, but ur right they rock

[Ceri Bloom]

its just me, cos im so light handed, i need light equipment 2 move efficiently, which is why i pick the durable, elvish make cos it is very tough, and can be put to ne thing u want it too be!!

[Friend of Maglor]

being Noldor I am more heavy handed and tend to use force rather than agility, which i posses by the way, just in defferent ways, we build with stone we dont live in trees.........lol

[Ceri Bloom]

hey living in trees is cool!! which reminds me can u stick one in the fortress for me 2 live in plz?? i would like a Mellorn tree, and just leave it 2 me 2 decorate k?

or yer bak on track wot kind of arrows do u think work best?

[Friend of Maglor]

of course m'dear, i happen to have one that is ready to be transplanted, besides, itlllook nice in the enter of the courtyard...

[Friend of Maglor]

ooops 2post!!

for myself I prefer heavy bows and thick arrows, short distance but with an exit hole as big as.... ok but thats a gross detail :flamer:
i would like a good part of our army to use long, light and slender arrows, long distance and still deadly :)

[Ceri Bloom]

oh yer thats the type i use, so dont worry about it :thumbs: but i will say one thing NO CROSSBOWS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Finrod Felagund]

If you look at Medieval Warfare, the one weapon that proved a detremining factor in Lots of battles and a few wars was....The Long Bow. It was the main reason for the Noman conquest of England and a major factor in the Hundred Years War. So there could be an argument for Legolas's Bow. But here again, what kind of combat? Hand to hand, I'll take Anduril, but for anything up to hand to hand, give me a long bow. The problem is you can't do both. Pick one: use the bow and have to constantly run out of sword/axe/polearm range or use the sword/axe/polearm and have to dodge arrows.

[Ceri Bloom]

well u no as i have been climbing for thousands of years, to use the long bow i would climb. but u do make an interesting point there Finrod. But with the long bow u have 2 keep undoing the string so it doesnt stretch over time.

[Friend of Maglor]

yay! more shiny elvish wisdom!!
DOWN WITH THE NORMANS!!!!!!!!!!!!


er........s'cuse me.............. yes Finrod, I prefer to dodge arrows thank you

[Ceri Bloom]

hahaha i like shiny things!!!
ok yer i like dodging arrows 2 but if they cant c me cos im up a tree.....

[Friend of Maglor]

lol checkout ur new mallorn!!

[Ceri Bloom]

nice!! very nice!! thnx so much maggy!! :thumbs: now 2 decorate it...

(soz i went a bit off topic :blush:

[Friend of Maglor]

off topic? us? no.........how could that ever be? just cuz we like to have twisted and strange conv. in the middle of other peoples threads doesnt meen, oh well it does dont it? :batty:

[Saruman]

Oh, I would never use any of these weapons. We wizards have much easier ways of getting our own way. lol

[Friend of Maglor]

im sure u do Saruman!!! lol and we elves have a few of our own, check out Finrod...

[Aranel of Mirkwood]

very hard to decide between Legolas's daggers and his bow and arrow. Gotta say the bow and arrows tho

[Friend of Maglor]

true, daggers plus armor when you have more arrows than daggers gives the arrows a pretty solid lead....

[Ceri Bloom]

oh yer i agree tho i dont understand hahaha

and Saruman u arnt the only 1 with tricks *bats eylids in an innocent manner*

i still ay daggers/knives hands down every time

[Friend of Maglor]

yay!!!

ya speacially when we re on BFRM :flamer:

[Ceri Bloom]

and now i have ova 1500 arrows i say the long bow in the hands of an elf is totally deadly

[Friend of Maglor]

ya..lookout!!

[Ceri Bloom]

hehehe ill b the 1 living wen the war is over after u use ur swords and daggers and knives...look out IM COMING!!

[Saruman]

Actually, Gimli's basically covered in armour (dwarves being the most technically skilled race and so on), so the arrows would just bounce off.

[Friend of Maglor]

good point S, and even if he WASNT.........................lol

[Ceri Bloom]

can i ask u a q. Saruman?? WHY THE HECK WOULD I WANT 2 SHOOT MY OWN TEAM?????????????????????????? hehehe i bet u didnt thnk of that then did ya? :shhh:

[Saruman]

lol The imression I got was that you were mad with everyone and wanted to kill them all! roflmao

[Friend of Maglor]

well not with me, at least, besides, i help keep up the BFRM suppl!!!

[Ceri Bloom]

why did u get that impression Saru?? *bats eyelids innocently* is it bcoz i am mad!!!!!!!!!!?? how cud i be mad @ u Mell?? ur my twinnie tee hee

[Friend of Maglor]

Yes Ceri twin, we all know that now dont we *looks at saruman*

[Ceri Bloom]

i may be mad, but i wud neva shoot the ppl i liked, may they be annoying, cheesy, or named Saruman....

[Saruman]

I'm flattered that you classify me under the category 'people you like'.:grin: lol

[Ceri Bloom]

thats nice 2 no saru but why in the world wudnt i like u? u have intersting stuff 2 say, and u challenge me! wots not 2 like? lol tee hee

[Friend of Maglor]

She likes any moving target that she chooses to take pity on and therefore feels condescending too........jkjk (dodges trout)

[Ceri Bloom]

:trout: hey i got u!! i can be nicer than that u no!! i do like ppl that r moving targets...thats why i didn't shoot u with my legolas bow...deadly aim that bow..

ne way just 2 set the record straight ur welcome saru :hyper:

[Friend of Maglor]

:rolleyes:
arent we all............

[Saruman]

Indeed... roflmao
Thank you, I think.

[Ceri Bloom]

dont worry its jst my twin trying 2 play me up. OMG!! we r soooo off topic! how is it that i always seem 2 go off topic???

[Friend of Maglor]

oh, ive given up on that completely, and hey!!! we need to figure out the words for watever pact is was we swore.............;)

[Ceri Bloom]

hokey kokey then

hey saru u should join us for a drink in the friendly tavern sum tym ;) :thumbs:

[Friend of Maglor]

Ya Saru!!! im not as bad as i say.......hey Ceri, habe som MIHO

[Ceri Bloom]

wot is MIHO??? wot dus it do? where'd u get it?

[Friend of Maglor]

hee hee, i messed aroung with the dragons blood a bit, WARNING: Turin's blood and dragons blood is a baaaaaaaaaaaaaad mix

It is a battle dreg for those of us who cant hate orcs enough......unfortunately (for those of you who have read this in a humor section) it induces that whole "warriors running out of orcs to kill at Minas Tirith take to killing some of the smaller, uglier men of Gondor" :naughty: hee hee

[Catz]

ok i think its well past time that you guys DID go off to the pony, or took this to PMs.......the topic is "best weapons for combat in the fellowship", OK?
thanks
:catz:

[Friend of Maglor]

ok Ceri, now we are being reprimanded lol
i would give you a saluting smiley on my way to the pony but there isnt one.................(hey, is that latin in your siggy????)

last thought- Sting is elven and from gondolin= best hobbit weopon
i think ill stick with Gandalf's sword as my fav though

[Ceri Bloom]

no no before i leave ill say the best weapon is each 2 his own, meanin the ones thay have r the best 4 them in their own way ok? yer we're sorry catz, but im leaving now, the ony is more fun ne way!! :wave:

[Saruman]

I agree with you to a certain extent. Legolas would never be able to use Gimli's huge axe, and Gimli would have a bit of trouble with Legolas' bow. But I still say that the axe is more powerful. Legolas had to aim in between the plates of armour or chainmail, whereas Gimli's axe could hack through armou very well. It's because the Dwarves are great smiths; they make efficient weapons.

[Ceri Bloom]

yer but With legolas' elf eyes he can aim pretty well, with extrodinary speed. plus when that doesn't work hes always got his knives to play around with lol and i no wot u meen about the dwarves bring gr8 smiths...check out the axe i got on my mantle in the tree! hey with ur experteese on weapons u shud join us in LAFA, that'd be soo cool! waddya say?

[TrueSwordsman]

As an archer and a swordsman of course the bow has an advantage at a distance, but if you were to fight hand to hand I believe Aragorns sword will win over the daggers and axe. The axe would be slow and lack reach. The daggers would be fast, but also lack reach. Aragorn's Sword is both long and quick. It can slash and thrust. So even if the thing you are fighting has armor the sword will thrust or hack through it. In real life the daggers would not.

I know I have a pair!

[Nilion Elentano]

I think the question is not fair at all, you would have to describe the situation, there will always be disadvantages and advantages , and the ubiquitous comment from the enthusiasts of one or another weapon.:naughty:

[TrueSwordsman]

I agree. There are a ton of situations where one would be better than the other. Other than the situation you also have the skill and build of the user. Could you see Gimli using Legolas' Daggers?

[Nilion Elentano]

Originally posted by TrueSwordsman
I agree. There are a ton of situations where one would be better than the other. Other than the situation you also have the skill and build of the user. Could you see Gimli using Legolas' Daggers?

I think we got the point eh?:thumbs:


I wanted to ask something else seeing as you are around now TS, when is the Elven Warrior Sword due for? Been dying to try that one:naughty:

[TrueSwordsman]

UC has some manufacturing issues with it. Originally it was in November - December. Now we will not see it until at least February 04.


Me too!

[Nilion Elentano]

Originally posted by TrueSwordsman
UC has some manufacturing issues with it. Originally it was in November - December. Now we will not see it until at least February 04.


Me too!

Arghhhhhh! February 2004, and how do they expect us to face the hordes of Uruks that come every day to your door step?pfbbt

Can you update us with the next releases TS? Btw a friend of mine bought the sword you designed, dying to try that one as well:thumbs:

[TrueSwordsman]

Which one? The Sword of the Ranger or Elven Daggers?

[Nilion Elentano]

The sword of the ranger and there's a dagger with the sword, am I right?

[TrueSwordsman]

Yes, there is a matching dagger. They will arrive with the swords - mid to late October.

[Nilion Elentano]

Originally posted by TrueSwordsman
Yes, there is a matching dagger. They will arrive with the swords - mid to late October.
Will let you know what I think once I try them myself:thumbs:

[Steve the Great]

Wow... so will you produce those great elven swords? :elfeek:

btw. this conversation would fit perfectly in the "LOTR Replicas Forum" :naughty:

[TrueSwordsman]

Sorry, we got off on a side subject. They will be produced by UC, and will be the same quality as the other Official Replica swords. One cool thing is that they will have a sharp edge!

[Eyeris]

I voted Gimli's Axe because I've always loved it that while elves and men have to use swords and bows, dwarves use the infinitely more brutal axes. Watch him swing it, he's unstopable!

[Radagast]

the G-mans axe.. of course I like Gimli he is so cool!

[Silvorn]

I would have to say that the swords most fit for combat are those of Aragorn and particularly Gandalf. Glamdring is a fantastic hand and a half sword capable of dealing strong powerful blows, yet light enough for swift striking swipes and parries.

[TrueSwordsman]

I agree 100%!

[Defenderofchaos0]

mine wasnt a choice, I most definatly chose the mace sauron had, grond is it? That was by far more owerful than anyhting else.

[Steve the Great]

No, I think it was an "ordinary" mace... ;)
Grond was Morgoth's weapon (and Sauron's battering ram...) :grin:

[Defenderofchaos0]

whatever I would have morgoth's weapon than, I think maces are pretty cool, I have one but it is pretty small as maces go.

[Mithrandir]

What Aragorns sword. DO you mean Anduril?Or...
'Cuase like in the beginning of the movie he doenst have Anduril until he got it from Elrond

[azimaith]

Boromirs sword provided I had the shield too.

[Gil Galad]

i went for the Dwarves axe, basically cos i like axes.

but i wudnt mind the Elfs Bow although my eyesight isnt what it used to be

[Eomund]

Mace of Melkor or Glamdring; they both are pretty powerful weapons. lol

[Lidless Eye]

All of th Fellowship kicked butt!!! :p but I chose Aragorn :aragorn:
I think just the way he takes out those Orc in one swipe. He even looks like hes having fun most of the time plus its even cooler when he gets Adruil :grin: Gandalf he is so cool also I loved how he beat down those Orcs with his Staff!!!

[Eomund]

That was true. (the part of Gandalf.

[Mithrandir]

How do wizards get their staffs?
From who? Where?

[Eomund]

maybe from the valar

[Lidless Eye]

I was wondering that myself. Your right they probally get them from the Valar or Illuvatar.

[Eomund]

Or maybe they create them themselves.

[Lidless Eye]

thats true :lol:

[Eomund]

Everything is possible but isnt it said in LOTR Weapons and Warhare book.

[TrueSwordsman]

Gandalf's Staff must have some power of the Valor, because he needed it in King Theadon's Hall.

[Eomund]

It definitly had some power but i think that he couldwe done it without the staff also for it only easned the using of his powers...

[Lidless Eye]

He also used the staff to make a bright light to scare away the Nazgul. :grin:

[Eomund]

I think he couldwe used just his hand to do that butb maybe it simpled the magic.

[Lidless Eye]

Yeah he could do that also. ;)

[Eomund]

And did he have his staff when he was in Valinor?

[Steve the Great]

It'sa bit OFF-topic, but I think, Gandalf didn't really need a staff in Valinor. Actually, he's a kind of strong spirits (like an angel, or something similar... :huh: ) and only in Middle Earth had this human-like appearance...
But his staff definitely was an effective weapon (combined with his word) in combat... :grin:

[Eomund]

Sorry, but how is it a bit Off-topic? It is a weapon, it is in Fellowship. Every way it is good thing in battle,

[Pil]

Yes, but i think Steve is trying to remind you that no battles took place in Valinor when Gandalf returned there....therefore his staff would not have been needed for a weapon during his stay there. ;)

[Lidless Eye]

Maybe he just liked it and was attached to it. If I was him i'd tike my staff with me. Sort of as a keepsake.

[Eomund]

i would do that also.

[Erebwen Cristaer]

I like Legolas' daggers!!! I know he didn't really use them much in the movies, but in TTT at Helm's Deep, I thought the part when he was using his daggers was the best shot in the fight. Of course, Legolas is probaly good with any weapon he chooses to use, but I like his daggers the best!!! :)

[Eomund]

You are right but i doubt that leggy could handle a pike..............

Sorry that they didnt find Aiglos and it again forged in it. I hoped so much that leggy would use it besides his bow and arrow.

[Elfdaughter]

The spear of Gil-galad? Why would Legolas have Aiglos?

[Eomund]

why not say?????

[Catz]

well for the same reason that Eomer didnt have Theodens sword, or Theoden, Aragorns...because theres no reason why he would, and he had no right to it anyway
sides if you think Leggy couldnt handle a pike, how do you think hed be better with a spear??
:catz:

[Eomund]

i dont know....but he could learn....

[Elfdaughter]

He could also learn to handle a pike - but it's compeletely out of the question - Legolas has no right to Aiglos, there's no way he could have inherited it, therefore, the question is mute.

[Eomund]

why in very strange and deep ways i think he was related to Gil. And wasnt Elrond related to Gil by someone...

[Elfdaughter]

Elrond is related to Gil-galad (Gil-galad was Elrond's grandmother's nephew.) but Legolas isn't. If you go back far enough, you could say he was, but then, if you go back far enough in human history, we are probably related! Basically, if anyone had a claim to Gil-galad's spear, it would have been Elrond, as he was the closest descendant.

[Lidless Eye]

I know when you go far enough back in the Silmarillion and look at some of the family trees its shows that alot of the People on Middle-earth are related distantly.

[Elfdaughter]

yeah, that's my point. However, Elrond was the closest descendant to Gil galad.

[Eomund]

wasnt a noldo in Valinore closer......

[Lidless Eye]

I have no idea Eomund. I think I'm going to have to read the Sil agian to get these people straight again. :grin:

[Gil Galad]

i doubt if there would have been any blood conection between Gil and Leggy, Legolas was more then likely a Teleri as it was they who mostly gave up the journy to Valinor were as Gil was a Noldo. It is strange that there is no mention of what happen to Aeglos, but the only person who could claim it would be Elrond, being a close relation and also his Herald

[Eomund]

But who would been Great King of Noldos.....maybe Finarfin if he was alive.....

[Naru`vatar]

Its hard to decide wich weapons is best. Because everyone is usíng diffrent fighting styles and weapons. Let me give you all litlte explenation after my own observasions form the movies.

Legolas is having great advantage by using light weapons wich makes him incredibly fast but his attacks may not allways me deadly so he has to strike fast multiple times. His bow is simply used for ranged attack and therefor it may be good to be as fast as he is.

Boromir on the other hand is using a short and heavy sword wich means his attacks are medium/heavy and often need only 1-2 blows. (one to dismember the enemy and one the finish him off)

Gimli is using all his force on really heavy blows and strikes which seems powerful enough to give you a good concusion or breaking a rib or two.

Aragorn is using a combination of speed and power to overmatch his enemy`s. His sword may not be light as a stick but its still powerful and deals good swings that may knock you around and give you a nice scar across your face. (Ask the two Uruks at Helms deeplol)

[Lidless Eye]

Wasnt it Finrod? Oh boy I really need to read the SIlmarillion again. :rolleyes:

I have a question. Do you think Eladarion, Aragorns son got Andruil after Aragorn died?

[Naru`vatar]

Hard to answer. He could have gotten it so that each heir after him would own the sword.
Or maybe Aragorn was buried with the sword in his hands just like Boromir.

[Lidless Eye]

Yeah true. Because in TT when Arwen sees the dead King Aragorn. Hes laying there and hes holding the sword. So yeah your probably right. :)

[Catz]

that was normal tho............a king layed in state always had his sword..............it was removed before he was............errrrr..............disposed ot ;)
and handed on to the heir
he was usually displayed with it in effigy tho
Boromir was sent to his rest with his sword because he had no heirs that we know of
:catz:

[Eomund]

and no heirs at all.....but why wouldnt it go to Faramir....and where did he get his sword......Denethorc had his own sword....

[Elfdaughter]

Eomund - which sword are you talking about? Faramir wouldn't have taken his brother's sword - if that's what you're asking. And yes, Denethor did have his own sword, but that would not have been passed on to either Faramir of Boromir, until he died. Faramir, as a Ranger, would have had his own sword, probably forged somewhere in Minas Tirith. Pippin was given the small sword Faramir had as a child, as a weapon when he pledged his alliegance to Denethor, becoming Guard of the Citadel.

As a warrior only, not a king, and with no heirs, and also to show how brave he was, Boromir was sent down the Anduin with his sword - this harks back to the Viking times, and the burning ships. Also, as Legolas says (p.405 unabridged version) "We have not the time nor tools to bury our comrade fitly, or to raise a mound over him." - they would not have been able to carry Boromir's weapons "Leave al you can behind... we travel light" (Aragorn, FOTR) yet they would not have wanted to leave Bormoir and his weapons for some "evil creature to dishonour his bones" (Aragorn, p.409)

[Eomund]

I know it all and dont say anything about Vikings nor Scandinavians....i just read through Saga of Ynglings......

[Elfdaughter]

Sorry, I didn't mean to sound condescending.... I just didn't quite understand your question.

[Eomund]

Yes...it was: When Denethorc lived where did Boro get his sword? Was it a ordinary sword.......

[Elfdaughter]

Yeah, it was just an ordinary sword.

[Lidless Eye]

Maybe Boromir got his sword at the same place Faramir did. Dont usually all the guys in ME get a sword?

[Eomund]

no.....at least i dont think that.......maybe they must BUY but not get.......

[TrueSwordsman]

In the book it says that Boromirs sword was similar in design to Anduril/Narsil (Fellowship of the Ring)

[Gil Galad]

yeh the Kings of Gondor and later the Stewards would have had knowledge of Narsil and so they probably would have wanted to have baldes similar to the sword of Elendil. and so i think they probably had one made for each of the Heirs to teh throne, and then i think they were placed on there burial mound if i remember the descriptionof the halls of the dead properly

[Elfdaughter]

Yeah, that sounds about right, gil.

[Eomund]

great, many thanks but did ordinary infantry buy swords or were they given......

[Gil Galad]

In real life or in the LotRs Eomund?

in real life it would depend on there lord, most of them would have the values of there equipment taken out of there wages(allong with food,board and anything the lord could think of in some cases)

In LotR Pipin(or was it Merry?) was given his sword from the armoury in Minas Tirith, which would probably be the way things worked when a Lord was in major trouble in real life and needed to raise an army quickly, he would arm the peasantry in which case it would make no sense to charge them as this would slow enlostment.

hopw that helped and im not just rambling

[Eomund]

no you are not...i know who Romans(neede to get themselves in the Repuplic) and English(everyone had it's own) worked but i did not excactly know ME's......

[Gil Galad]

and i would imagine that most of the Rohirim would have had there own weapons since they were prob more open to attacks and raids then Gondor. and the men of Dunland were armed by Saruman if i remember correctly.

[Eomund]

and they had their own weapons as the hobbits they just didnt use them....something was like: all hobbitses had a bow or an ax in their house even if they hated war......

[Gil Galad]

well even if you hate war it can be nessesary to keep some gear for it. and most household, or farmhold, tool can become quite effective weapons, you mentioned axes, but also spades and pitchforks and a hole host of other implements can be turned to defencive porpuses if needed

[Eomund]

yes, but axes are better then rakes....

[Gil Galad]

oh yeh i aggree, but a spade or pitchfork or even a rake can be easily used as weapons and you would find atleast some(all in my case) about the house, or a hammer or nail/crow bar etc

[Eomund]

if you are talking about my house then hehe....hammers, saws, more knifes than in a restaurant, nails, dogs, books, hehe...

but i dont think that first age elves did go agains Morgo with books so it is necessary to keep also real weapons in houses....*

[Gil Galad]

but in regions of relative peace liek the shire, these weapons could have been used quite well as weapons when the need required it.

but we're getting of the point i think. Gimlis axe cos i like axes

[Lidless Eye]

I wonder how much things (like swords) would cost in ME? Did they use shillings?
I chose Andruil, but I like Glamdring best. Denethor had a pretty cool sword also.

[Eomund]

Pitchfork of a Dunlandian!!!!!That's the best weapon of all and it's name is PITCHFORK.

[Elfdaughter]

hehe!! Pitchfork of a Dunadain! lol

I don't know, LE. I don't think it was ever documented what currency they used! lol

[Gil Galad]

They probably bartered for the most part of perhaps used good and silver coins...oh yes in Bree doesnt it say that Butterbur gave that guy 6(?) silver pennys for the donkey and gave the hobbits 12(?) more? and then Gandalf gave him a gold coin if im not mistaken. but that is the only time i remember any money being mentioned

[Elfdaughter]

Yeah, but that's in the shire... I reckon gold and silver would have been used, though.

[Gil Galad]

well actually its in Bree, ED(hey that rhymes, kinda) i would assume that they used gold and silver all over, unless the were comunist and everyone just gave to everyone freely, but i cant see the Dwarfs going in for that, maybe in Rivendel thats how it worked. dont know whether or not the men would go for that

[Elfdaughter]

Haha! You know what I meant!! Nope, I reckon they did what they would have done in medieval times - batered for it using objects. (e.g. - I'll trade you that sword for these shoes - that sort of thing)

[Lidless Eye]

Ok that answers my question sort of. Its just interesting that they dont seem to be concerned with money problems. :)

[Elfdaughter]

No, they were probably more interested in keeping the Orcs of Mordor at bay...... ;)

[Gil Galad]

yeh in times of crisis it can be a good idea to get ride of money and hold stuf in comune, that is probably what happened in Minas Tirith. and most of the lands that the fellowship traveled in were uninhabited or at war so money wouldnt have been big on peoples agendas there

[Eomund]

comunists...everywhere....but what happened when ....hey, where did Tirithians get gold to make gold coins...

[Elfdaughter]

Either mined, or melted down from jewellery etc.

[Gil Galad]

yeh more then likely, unless they found out the secret to alcemy and were able to turn bass metals into gold

[Elfdaughter]

Which is unlikely, to say the least........ ;)

[Lidless Eye]

Tirithians are those Gondoreans? If they are maybe they made coins from Mithril. lol

[Gil Galad]

expensive coins if they did LE, and id say every Dwarf in ME would have sided with sauron in the war with them to get theer hands on some of that stuf

[Elfdaughter]

lol! Can you imagine it? I don't think Minas Tirith would have stood very long against the Dwarves, if the coins were made from mithril!! hehe!! lol

[Gil Galad]

ha and Minas Tirith would have had all the defnce it needed, except itd be made in coins instead of defensive stuf

[Elfdaughter]

hehe!!! Just got an image of a Gondorian soldier in armour made from coins...... lol lol lol

[Eomund]

show us!!!!!!!!

[Elfdaughter]

Image in my head, eomund. sorry, I should have been more clear.

[Eomund]

yes, you should.....image....hah...

[Elfdaughter]

The english language can be a funny old thing...

[Eomund]

yes it can.....but could you draw such thing......

[Elfdaughter]

Hmmm..... probably, but I've got no way of scanning it in to the computer.

[Lidless Eye]

Armor made of coins that would be funny. lol
Maybe in Rohan they trade animal. Like I'll trade you two chickens a cow and a goat for that sword and some food. lol

[Elfdaughter]

Yeah, that's probably what they did - but most likely they traded things from their own craft - so a potter would trade pots for a sheild - etc.


Which reminds, I need to go and get some materials for making a buckler.... back soon!!

[Eomund]

ooo....i ´thought how they got Grima...Saruman changed it for weapons......

[Elfdaughter]

Eh? Sorry Eomund, I don't quite understand....

[Eomund]

...Saruman took weapons and gave Grima....thats a better theory......

then at last Saru ordered Grima to return so rohirrims got tricked....

[Elfdaughter]

No - the Rohirrim didn't know that Grima came from Saruman. (Except Eomer, but he only guessed later on, when Saruman's orcs invaded Rohan) He was a spy of Saruman.

[Eomund]

anyway that was a good theory...and Saru could have placed a spell on himself that Rohan would not recognize him....

[Elfdaughter]

Good theory, I suppose.... but not practical....

[Eomund]

why not??

[Elfdaughter]

You want the short list, or the long?

Well, which is the easiest thing to do? Send a spy into Rohan (by corrupting one of Rohan's own men, close to the king - remember, Saruman was Rohan's closest ally at first).

[Lidless Eye]

Didnt Saruman tell Grima that if he corrupted Theoden and he would get Eowyn as a prize?

[Eomund]

yes...so double trick on Rohan...

Long list...fellowship could have used Grima also as a weapon...

[Elfdaughter]

Hmmm.... no, I think that Saruman just gave him a small amount of his own power (remember the voice of Saruman?) - and he could do what he wanted with it, as long as he also corrupted Theoden.

[Eomund]

okay...and i remember...

Still Fellows could have used anything as a weapon...

[Elfdaughter]

Depends what you mean by anything. I don't think hitting someone over the head with a loaf of bread would do much damage!! lol

[Eomund]

no but wood, elves as shield (they would not have appriciated that probably ) or something like that...

[Lidless Eye]

I can just imagine Legolas hitting someone on the head with a peice of Lembas bread. lol

[Gil Galad]

or Aragorn picking Grima up and hitting an Uruk with him. is that what u meant by using him as a weapon Eomund

[Eomund]

almost... he could have killed 'Eoden....

Or a rohirrim taking a piece of stone and throwing it into Sauron....

[Elfdaughter]

"Ah! My eye! My eye!" lol

[Eomund]

"Ah! My eye! My eye!" lol

Mad man above...or girl...

[elvenrocker]

I prefer the bow and arrows because with legolas' case (at least in the movies), he would only have to use one arrow to kill. No dirt, no blood, less injury (untill you're close) but you can't compare long range to things like axes, knives, and swords.

[Gil Galad]

it all really depends on ones fighting style really doesnt, some are beer at close combat, some are long range specialists

[TrueSwordsman]

Just as the fellowship, it is good to have warriors/fighters with both types of weapons. Where would the fellowship have been without the range of Legolas or the close combat of Boromir?

Now if you could master both weapons, Sword and Bow.................that would be ideal.

:Orc: :archer: :Orc: :battle:

[Eomund]

yes, kind of Aragorn. If you have 100 archers and go against 120 riders i think you will be squashed. Anyway, Legolas did use his knives aswell and that helped him. Besides, remember the scene in FOTR where Legolas ran down the hill near Amon Hen and killed two Uruks with bow, one closened up and he killed him with the arrow and then fired.

[TrueSwordsman]

I don't think, unless you are an Elf, that in real life you would be able to thrust an arrow hard enough to kill a man size creature (like an orc) with arrow held in your hand before he kills you with his sword.

But if you could fire fast enough in close range you could shoot the arrows so hard it would go right through the orc.

If you do have a bow, try to time yourself between shots. It takes lots of practice to shoot and nock consecutive arrows quickly, and even then with 5 or 6 guys running at you from a 100 yards or so maybe 1 or 2 would reach you before you could down them.

[Gil Galad]

and even for an Elf in "real-life" it would be difficult to do that stab thing with teh arrow. an idea for firing more efectively, quicker etc, at close range and still maintain a long range clout would be to have two bows, a long bow for the long range and then a smaller composite recurve bow for when they start to close in. but i think its prob best to have a line of men in front of you or a good cavalry charge ready to strike anyone getting near

[Eomund]

elves are just talneted at that, but if you said 100 yards, is it about 300 meters or about that?even then i guess that a man who has held a bow before could kill enemies, at least 5.

[Gil Galad]

no 100 yards is 300 foot, about 90metres and considering a proficient long bowman would be able to fire about 6 arrows a minute, and it would only take a healthy man about 15secs(considering being slowed down by equipment) to run 90 metres, i think the longbowman could only get of maybe two arrows in that time. perhaps with a smaller bow, he could get more

[Elfdaughter]

hmm... but there's still the question of time - yes, a longbow does take more time to notch, and draw, and it can't be held at full draw. A smaller bow may take less time, but it would still take a good while to remove the arrow from the quiver, notch it to the bow, draw, aim, and fire. A sword is much more useful for close quater combat, where the only thing really needed is room to manouvre and swing the blade.

[Eomund]

and what about axes...they were used as ranged weaponns also...with them you could get down 6 enemies from 100 yards.

[Elfdaughter]

Battleaxes? Yeah, that's a possibility, but then again - how many of those can you carry? not practical. Unless you mean polearms - they're like short, fat spears. They're more likely.

but axes - what's the only way to kill enemies with an axe at 100 yards? to throw the axe. Once thrown, it's lost.

[Gil Galad]

well u can get small throwing axes (but 100 yards would be a dam good throw if u could keep it accurate) battle axes would be the same as swords.


well the best way to fight is with a combination of weapons, that way you can thin out ur enemy before hand to hand combat. a good mix(which depends on the conditions of battle) of bowmen, pikemen, swordsmen and knights (or there regional equivalants) can do what ever you want really. the bowmen to thin out at a distance the knights as shock troops to break up formations, the pikemen to hold defensive spots(although well trained pikemen can be excelent shock troops) and swordsmen to engage enemies.

if ur on ur own a good light bow and a hand weapon and shield or a two handed weapon

oh ED, most archers will have there arrows out of there quiver, and in the ground infront of them, so as to save time when firing

[elvenrocker]

Besides, remember the scene in FOTR where Legolas ran down the hill near Amon Hen and killed two Uruks with bow, one closened up and he killed him with the arrow and then fired.

well (already mentioned) i imagine it tough to shove the arrow in the orc by hand... and i don't know if the arrow can take that pressure (specially cause you might not get it in exactly straight. :p

[elvenrocker]

oh ED, most archers will have there arrows out of there quiver, and in the ground infront of them, so as to save time when firing

how does that work? :mmmm:

[Gil Galad]

well you just stick them lightly into the ground in front of you, with there flight sticking up, and then you pull them out when you need them, its quicker then getting them out of a quiver on your back, or even one standing on the ground infront of u.

[Eomund]

and romans did the same, only they lighted the ground what from the arrows were drawn.

[Elfdaughter]

oh ED, most archers will have there arrows out of there quiver, and in the ground infront of them, so as to save time when firing

true, but not if you're moving...

Of course, don't forget, that to own a sword, meant that you were rich enough to afford a weapon that had no secondary purpose - if you owned a sword, you were trained to kill.

[elvenrocker]

well you just stick them lightly into the ground in front of you, with there flight sticking up, and then you pull them out when you need them, its quicker then getting them out of a quiver on your back, or even one standing on the ground infront of u.

i use a belt quiver :mmmm:

[Elfdaughter]

That's the other option.....

Personally, my speciality is with swords....

[Gil Galad]

well i can make lethal use out of anything i find lying about.hehehe. i am more of a hand to hand man myself , although i do have respect for the usefulness of ranged weapons.

Elvenrocker, i still think it would be slower tehn takin them out of the ground, since you have to lift the arrow all the way up out of thequiver before rotating it into postion, if its in the ground it can be rotated from the start, its not a huge diffenernce, but if u had 1000 archers, it could mean an extra 1000 arrows a minute(or tow minutes) and if u were on ur own it could mean u get that last guy that was comin at u b4 he gets u.

good point on teh moiving ED

[elvenrocker]

yeah, i find lower better cause you'd have to pull out then lower the arrow, that's why my belt quiver clips on to my pocket, so the end of the arrow is only a few inches above waist.

[Aragorn's Hope]

I would say Legolas' bow and arrows are some of the best weapons. 2nd and 3rd following is Boromir and Aragorn's swords. ;)

[Phenomenon04]

the Daggers all the way!! Anything smaller than a standard sword is soo effective for concealment and is easier to use and move around. and you don't need TWO strong hands to wield.

Take it To em!!!

[Ranewen]

The bow and arrows seemed the most efficient. Not sure they would be in real life, as the arrows would eventually run out...so, for a real battle, I'd say sword.

[Ithildiel Noldoran]

I'll have to choose bow and arrows, Legolas style. though a sword or daggers-depends what you're faster with- for closer range combat!

So, I'll have to say Legolas and Argorn's weapons were the best! They were both equipped for all combat situations! :archer: