Does anyone know about the ending?

[ssatellite]

I've read a bit where they said that they're not going to end the movie the same way that TTT finished, just like they changed the ending place of FotR... but does anyone know where it is going to end? I'm partially relieved it's not ending in the same place, because that's a brutal cliff-hanger... but wouldn't it be great incentive to go see RotK?

[Nessa]

This has been discussed here and there, but no one really knows the exact ending. (Or at least not to my knowledge....)

Peter's been quoted as saying that he'd like to have the time line kept intact, so even if he ends a bit before Shelob appears, he'd be well into Rotk with the other fellowship members. Denethor is in the casting list for TT, and I'm pretty sure he's in. I think it would be a good idea if we meet him some way or another, it would save from having even more characters introduced in the third film.

Another reason Shelob was cut is because there wouldn't be much Frodo and Sam action in Rotk if Shelob was already taken care of. This makes a lot of sense, but personally I think there might be the problem of there being too little Frodo and Sam action in TT..... but that isn't really the topic.

I think the ending would be best somewhere in Cirith Ungol, perhaps on the stairs just after Frodo and Sam have that very touching discussion about being in a story some day... I'd be quite dissapointed if I didn't at least get to hear a bit of that.

Welcome, by the way! :wave:

[Catz]

i think you might be right there Nessa....at least it makes sense.....the trouble with there being three movies is that each has to have its own climax, but also build to the overall climax of the rings destruction, so the big action moments have to be shared out....i think Helms Deep and Shelob in the one movie might be a bit much....far better to shift Shelob into ROTK...
:catz:

[Nessa]

Yes, Catz...

But thats an awful lot of action for one film! Rotk will have Shelob, the Cirith Ungol expierience, the paths of the dead, Denethor's episode, Eowyn and Merry's deal with the Nazgul, two whole battles, and Mount Doom.....

But thats beside the topic. Personally, I want to see the non-Tolkienite people think Frodo is dead after Shelob's attack... it would such lovely drama... if the movie ended on it no one would buy it, but if it happened a little way into the third...

So I'm sticking with Cirith Ungol as a good stoppage point. :)

[A! Elbereth]

I also would like to see Frodo get attacked by Shelob before they end the movie. It would make me cry like there was no tomorrow tho mecry ;)

[Loriende_Greenleaf]

I wish!!!

[A! Elbereth]

:huh: I dont understand what that was about.....:duh:

[Nessa]

I think Loriende meant she wishes she knew about the ending. :)

I think we all do! lol

[A! Elbereth]

Yes I see now. Yeah... *sighs* Its gonna be a looooong 4 1/2 months...

[Loriende_Greenleaf]

Ya, i was saying "i wish" as of me wishing i knew more about the ending!I dont know half of you half as well i should like; and i like less than half of you half as well as you deserve.

[HobbitFriend]

haha i like that quote... everyone's like :huh: lol (that was off topic!)

anyway, i agree with what Nessa said:
Originally posted by Nessa
Personally, I want to see the non-Tolkienite people think Frodo is dead after Shelob's attack... it would such lovely drama... if the movie ended on it no one would buy it, but if it happened a little way into the third...

So I'm sticking with Cirith Ungol as a good stoppage point. :)

I also think the Shelob scene with people thinking Frodo is dead is a really good climax... but then again, the "non Tolkienite people" might be upset, really thinking Frodo's dead and might not want to see RotK, because the hero is already dead (or so they think ;)).

I think they should show the Shelob scene and have it end like the book... having Sam take the Ring, the... wait... have Sam take the Ring but not actually show Sam taking the Ring and have the Orcs take Frodo and Sam hears that he's not dead.

Then i think that would be a good cliff-hanger and not too upsetting either because okay, now Frodo's alive, but in the hands of the Orcs. The audience won't know that Sam has the Ring till RotK, so it's all suspenseful ... thinking "What will happen to Frodo!? What will happen to the Ring?!" yah know? :p

[A! Elbereth]

Originally posted by HobbitFriend

I also think the Shelob scene with people thinking Frodo is dead is a really good climax... but then again, the "non Tolkienite people" might be upset, really thinking Frodo's dead and might not want to see RotK, because the hero is already dead (or so they think ;)).

yes, this may discourage the audience who have not yet read the books, btu once they see the previews for ROTK, Frodo will of course, be shown. And then they will want to see it more than ever! Quite a twist we've ended up in!

[HobbitFriend]

yep... i guess we'll just have to wait and see when it finally does come out

[Galadriel]

I Wish that I knew what the endding would be like. I mean it would be nice if it ended before Shelob becasue there will be so much action before that scene. But then again a good cliff hanger would be if they showed Frodo being taken by orcs but not Sam. As long as the endding good I don't care what happens:)

[Undomiel]

in one way i reckon it would be great to end it on a cliff hanger-i mean the end of TTT couldnt get much better. Thing is I'm not worried about ppl who havent read the book-I dnt know if i'll be able to wait a whole year to see the nxt bit, even though i know what happens. It was bad enough at the end of FOTR and that wasnt too bad as far as cliffhangers go.

Still I agree that it would be a great ending:)

[TheRingBearer]

Yeah it should end with Frodo and Sam just entering Shelob's cave. You shouldn't be able to properly see Shelob but people who've read the book will be able to tell she's there like on the ceiling or something, then it ends with them delving deeper through the cave. :)

[Bonos-Girl]

i think it would be cool to have shelob in rotk coz then people might think he's dead....but as someone said earlier that would be a hell of a lot of action for one film....

[Pil]

Shelob NEEDS to be in TTT....ROTK can't handle ALL that! :o :elfeek: :mmmm:

I agree though...NO-ONE who is friends with a tolkien fan will be able to resist asking "Is....is he....REALLY dead? mecry"

Of course the answer will be no and they'll still come back for more.

KEEP THE CLIFF-HANGER I SAY!!!!! :battle:

[Narsil's weilder]

Well the way the story is told is the 2 parts, the fellowship and then Frodo and Sam. But Peter is just gonna break that up and show them going back and forth. The story would end better if it was true to the book. The suspence of Sam thinking his master is dead then realizing his horrible mistake it breathtaking.

[A! Elbereth]

I think it should end exactly how TTT ends.... I don't see how anyone could think of a better cliffhanger. Its perfect, because then the audience will know Frodo is not dead, but will have the horrible suspence on what might happen to Frodo in Mordor, and what Sam is going to do. For if he was caught, it would fail, and he has to do something more dangerous than Frodo would have to do. He has to rescue Frodo from Orcs in a tall tower, located in Mordor. :o scary stuff really

[Melkor]

Originally posted by HobbitFriend

I also think the Shelob scene with people thinking Frodo is dead is a really good climax... but then again, the "non Tolkienite people" might be upset, really thinking Frodo's dead and might not want to see RotK, because the hero is already dead (or so they think ;)).




hey hey hey, what about Gandalf in FotR? i bet you forgot about that. the non tolkienite people thought he died, but they are still ocming to see the next movie (partly because they didnt like him, and they saw the preview with him in so they know he isnt dead)

i think that having frodo die would be perfect. i dont think the non tolkienites would get mad at this. they would stilll like to see if the ring got destroyed;)

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that should answer your questions

[Gowpon]

I hope this time the ending will be more acceptable to the people who haven't read the book...I am absolutely ok with it, but for some friends that have no idea about the story...I'll just say that they're "not happy" about FOTR's ending...:(

Again, I don't feel anything's wrong with it, but for some common-movie-goers, FOTR's ending is not very acceptable...
I hope PJ will come up with some thing better for TTT this time! :thumbs:

[Pil]

Oh... :(...poor pj... lol

I think that to have shelob in TTT would have been perfect to balance out the action...(at least we know there is a shelob...there was a spider model in one of the dvd extras)...if it finishes before shelob i think it will be a very bad decision! :angry:

[Gowpon]

Perhaps PJ will forshadow ROTK by putting Shelob lurking around Sam and Frodo...oh, and don't forget Gollum! (If he's still with them at that time :naughty: )

[Pil]

I think that the audience should get a flavour of gollum's darker intentions before the end of the film even if the shelob thing is in the third film...see him and his secret meeting with shelob maybe...

[Keverzwijn]

I've just read the TTT and I noticed there were alot of hints in the book about Shelob. (Gollum talking about "She", Faramir saying there is a danger in Cirith Ungol. If these hints are in the TTT but Shelob isn't, people are going to forget those hints during the year and won't remember them at Rotk. It would be nice to let them in the movie, so you notice them when you're watching all three movies in one day (some day I will veryhappy )

Keverzwijn:evilcool:

[Black Rider]

i remember pj as quoting something like: if ppl thought fotr was a cliffhanger, then just wait until ttt.
maybe we'll see a gory scene with a pale frodo wrapped in spider gook with sam crouching behind a rock holding the ring and crying.

mecry mecry oh frodo master

[Algamesh]

Guys?

I'm at work at the moment and do not have access to my DVD but on the 10 minute preview for TTT ... doesn't it show them playing with a model spider in the studio? Anyone catch this too (assuming I am placing it correctly in the preview and not one of the other special features)?

[Spat]

I was reading all your post about the ending.. and here my belief!

Nowing that TTT and RotK could make 4 different (if not 5) books about every group of the splitted Fellowship, it is kind of difficult to see where they would end it.. meaning that since the timeline repeats itself from chapters to chapters at somepoints, to make 1 logical timelime, the scriptwriters WILL have to "spoil" parcels of the RotK book.... I too would like it to end like the book... why not suspend the viewers with the despair of Sam asking himself where he goes... to get Frodo or finish the mission...

so here were my thoughts !! hehe

[Undomiel]

Originally posted by Algamesh

I'm at work at the moment and do not have access to my DVD but on the 10 minute preview for TTT ... doesn't it show them playing with a model spider in the studio? Anyone catch this too (assuming I am placing it correctly in the preview and not one of the other special features)?

Yeah i saw that, which is why i thought they would have Shelob in it.

[Sindarin]

I also noticed that. The scenes with Shelob has got to be in TTT! :thumbs:

[A! Elbereth]

I am almost convinced Shelob would be in TTT.... why wouldn't there be? I know there are reasons why it shouldn't, but the reasons why it should be in, would certainly triumph.

[Sindarin]

Of course. Shelob has to be in TTT. It's a pivotal scene.

[Gowpon]

Personally I don't think that TTT will end up like the book...cuz FOTR is an example! :cool:
They might put the beginning of ROTK to the end of TTT, just like what they do to FOTR's ending! lol

[Sindarin]

Well, that's also a possibility.

In fact, that just might happen, yet it would be a good anti-climactic ending to TTT.

Although we know what happens next, it could definately be a suspenseful cliffhanger until ROTK. :)

[Pil]

It would be cool to have the ending leaving even people who have read the books going...."ooooo i wonder what happens next" you know? I get that most of the times when you see frodo and sam beginning their tramp in the emyn muil...i'm like "don't leave it there!" mecry

[Eowyn]

I hope they end it just like the books. If they put any of the ROTK at the end then it would spoil the ending.

I want to see all my friends that haven't read the books saying "nooooooo frodo!" then asking me because I can just say "no I'm not going to spoil it for you, you'll just have to wait till next year!" :grin:

[Mirkgirl]

But the ending itself would make a separate film, with all the explanations needed

[Eowyn]

well if they don't understand they can read the books! they should do anyway but it helps to clear any confusions!

[Mirkgirl]

Yes, if you want to understand the movie, read the books... that'd be the best advertisement ever

[ScorpioQueen]

In my opinion TTT has the best cliffhandger, all the isengard plot is tied up nicely then u got shelob attacking Frodo - although i know that PJ cant keep to the books and as a hard core fan I do understand and accept that but TTT's cliffhanger is a great cliffhanger for a movie - sam takes the ring thinking frodo is dead, orcs find him and sam overhears that frodo isnt dead! That is my fav bit in the book! Sam having to rescue Frodo - and i wud like to take this oppurtunity to say that although Frodo is considered the hero of LOTR I think master samwise gamgee needs more credit - w/o him carrying frodo up mount doom or saving him from the orcs frodo wud not had destroyed the ring!!!

~Jo-Anne~

[Eowyn]

I completely agree!

[Gowpon]

YES!!! When I first came to the last page of TTT...

"What the heck? This isn't happening! Someone! HELP!!"

Best cliffhanger ever! :thumbs:

[Bonos-Girl]

i still think they should end it when frodo looks dead and scare all the people who haven't read it...serves them right!!

[A! Elbereth]

I always wonder how PJ is going to end it smoothly. The ending of TTT is so abrupt, it would be very hard to end it nicely without scaring all the viewers. I can see the ending now:


*Shelob comes storming out of her lair going straight for Frodo.*

*Sam fights with Goolum as Frodo struggles to get away.*

*Sam comes running to Frodo.

*Frodo is dead*

The End

I can imagine the look on people's faces. There needs to be somethin reassuring in the end. I just wonder what its going to be.

[Eowyn]

woo hoo! i really hope thats what they do! :whoohoo:

[A! Elbereth]

Seriously... I think that ending is ok... but I would rather the audience know he isnt dead...

And if they end with everyone thinking Frodo is dead, they can't just abruptly STOP the film!!! They need something in there... but I don't know what it is they will do to not totally screw up the ending... I wonder...yes... we wondersss.... :o

[Undomiel]

well, the book ends with Sam realising Frodo isnt dead and then getting knocked out when he jumps at the door-i think that would be a great ending. not too abrupt but still a big cliffhanger:)

[Spat]

Gee december seems to be far!!
Can't wait to see the movie.. BTW i DIDN'T buy the DVD yet HUH HUH HUH!! i struggled to not go and get it.. i'm waiting in november for the Collector's edition to come out!! yesss!!

about decembre...i'm frustrating already about the commentaries that will come out at the end of the second movie... like... Oh no the movie doesn't end again that sucks... this movie sucks they should have make only 1.!! anyhow!! innoncent people!

[Quickbeam15]

Originally posted by A! Elbereth
I always wonder how PJ is going to end it smoothly. The ending of TTT is so abrupt, it would be very hard to end it nicely without scaring all the viewers. I can see the ending now:


*Shelob comes storming out of her lair going straight for Frodo.*

*Sam fights with Goolum as Frodo struggles to get away.*

*Sam comes running to Frodo.

*Frodo is dead*

The End

Awesome!!:cool:

[Fatty]

Hmm well from what I gather Shelob will not be in TTT. I don't think it will end with the "death" of Frodo.

Who knows though.....actually it might be smarter to move it to a good bit into RotK then non readers might actually beleive he is dead. Since if it ended with his death people won't be shocked they will groan, not again! Gandalf...now Frodo. Plus PJ has already done Frodo is dead oops no he is not a few times in FOTR. So I think it will be in RotK not TTT. But I might be wrong.

Also it would leave no new monsters fro RotK, as we will see the winged beasts in TTT. Hmmm hard to tell on this one. PJ is altering the book a lot so who knows. If the ending is not in Cirith Ungol or there abouts then it must be in Minas Tirith.

[Bonos-Girl]

thats actually a good point bout leaving frodos 'death' to rotk. frodo 'dies' so many times already and noone will believe that he's dead before the last film.