Biggest dissappointment

[Finrod Felagund]

While reading the Silmarillion, there are times when I think "Now why did that have to happen!". Like when Finrod dies or when Maglor and Maedhros steal the Silmarils from Eonwe, or Maeglin's treachery.
The ones that stick out in my mind are Finrod's death and the whole Turin and his Bridge episode.
Anyone else have a moment like that?

[Ereinion]

I just finished the Sil and had the same feeling...My biggest dissapointment was Fingon's death....It was so sad, I never saw it coming...
Feanoreans coming to steal the Silmaril from Elwing was as unexpected....I thought the kinslaying was over...

[Periantari Andruil]

yeah i agree with Ereinion about the Feanoreans coming to steal the Silmaril... that was really tragic and probably made the Valar more resolved not to go help the Elves...

another disappointment I had was when the dwarves fought with King Thingol and the elves in Doriath for the necklace that led to the downfall of Doriath... that was tragic indeed and didn't that estrange the relations between the Elves and Dwarves up tilll the 3rd Age?

[Gwaihir]

My great disappointment was when the Sons of Feanor came and attacked Dior the Fair in Doriath. Dior was just trying to rebuild Doriath. :( And they killed him, and his two young sons were left in the woods to die. I was so sad!

[Mirkgirl]

That's the beauty of the Silm - it has the same dissappointments that real history has... and yet they come to good eventually - unlike most examples of real history.

[Finrod Felagund]

Good point Mirk

[Ithielnor]

Of Turin Turambar(sp) is one chapter that kept me asking "why?"
So many sad things which 'Shouldn't' have happened. That curse truely played out ugly.

[Finrod Felagund]

Yep Gwaihir, the Sons of Feanor were a particularly nasty lot, Makes me wonder about the intelligence of the Elves that were their subjects. It seems like a large portion of the "Why?" questions revolve around that family

[Trahald]

Originally posted by Mirkgirl
That's the beauty of the Silm - it has the same dissappointments that real history has... and yet they come to good eventually - unlike most examples of real history.

That's just what I was thinking. Tragic though the history of the Elves and of early Middle-Earth, it goes just as Illuvitar promised.

The evil that Melkor makes has in it the seeds of good. This theme continues through the LoTR trilogy too.

[Arwen]

Originally posted by Finrod Felagund


Hey Finrod- do you think you could please PM me or email me? Your PM Box is full and your email is blocked and I need to ask you something- thanks! (Sorry for the OT but I dont know how else to get this message to you) :)

[Radagast]

Its a symbol of a great Mythology... and every mythology has some up's and down's

[Undomiel]

I was v. disappointed by the Fall of Nargothrond :( And also the attack on Elwing and her people. I also thought if only Túrin had rescued Finduilas then none of the incest would have happened. And if Morwen and Nienor had stayed in Doriath then Turin would have found them. But i guess that's what happens in stories, it's what makes them interesting if also sad :(

[Radagast]

I know this is the "Biggest disappointment thread" but i just have to say.. I was amazed by the story of Beren And Luthien... that was just incredible!

[Evenstar]

I was disappointed by all the elves, immortal guys dying when the men mortal guys managed to survive. What's their problem, they're given the gift of immortality so they have to waste it at the first possible chance? I mean, Finrod dies and Beren survives (well for a while anyway), Turin kills Beleg, Fingon gets killed and Hurin only gets taken captive - did Morgoth prefer men to elves?

And as for the Luthien and Beren thing , and Arwen in LotR - 'I will give up my immortality' doesn't someone (I think it's Tuor) get given immortality when he reaches Valinor with his immortal wife? So why did Aragorn, Arwen, Luthien and Beren all have to die when they could have lived? (Tho the people of Gondor might not have wanted an immortal king) :)

[Gwaihir]

They actually didn't have a choice, you know... Mortals cannot go to Valinor unless they are special (like Frodo the Ringbearer). And Arwen chose to stay with Aragorn because she loved him, even if it meant that she couldn't go to Valinor. Remember, Aragorn had to be king of Gondor. Arwen died in sorrow because Aragorn died first and she could not live without him.

[Finrod Felagund]

I think Tuor goes to Valinor with Idril after the War of Wrath and is granted a special fate. I think because he had done so much for the Eldar and had become one in all but immortality. After the Fall of Gondolin, Tuor's story becomes somewhat fuzzy.

Earendil was also granted immortality.

Beren and Luthien are different. Beren had already died once and Luthien gave up her immortality for him to be resurrected.

[Finrod Felagund]

oops, just realized I was wrong. Earendil goes searching for his father and mother before the Third Kinslaying, so they left before the War of Wrath. Not sure how, but they got to Valinor and Tuor alone was granted the fate of the Elves.

[Ereinion]

Another dissapointment was the Dwarves killing Thingol over the Silmarils...It really was one of the strongest "why did it have to happen?!?" moments...:(

[Undomiel]

I dont think Tuor goes to Valinor. He sets sail with Idril and is never seen again. Earendil goes to Valinor with Elwing and as they were both half elf they were given the choice of being elf or man. Elwing chose to be of the Eldar and so Earendil chose likewise because of his love for her. Elrond chose to be an elf though he was also half elf and i believe the fate of his children was that as long as they remained with him they were elves also but when Arwen chooses to stay behind she gives up her immortality and so dies a mortal death. All the other elves who die go to the halls of Mandos and are eventually giving back their bodies i believe. Glorfindel for one and it also says in the Silm. that one of the princes that died (cant remember which) "walked again with his father in Valinor" (or something to that effect.

[Gwaihir]

The Silmaril did mention that Tuor went out to sea with Idril and was never seen in Middle Earth again, but it didn't say if they didn't reach Valinor. It said that many believes that he went to Valinor and was granted the fate of the Elves.

Undomiel, the Elf Lord you are talking about must be Finrod when he was killed by a warg. The Silm says something like "Finrod walks with his father Finarfin in Valinor"

[Undomiel]

Yeah that's probably the one!!!! I couldnt remember which one it was and i spent ages trying to find the section but of course i couldnt!!!

[Gil Galad]

i wos just so gutted when Fingolfin fell, or rather when he rode out to face morgoth, cos i knew he cudnt win, but then i thought that maybe morgoth wont face him, or maybe Orome or Tulkas will tire of waiting and rush to his aid just in the knick of time and the daark vala wud flea, and then i looked like the high king could win, but that just raised my hopes to get them smashed when he was finally overcome

[heru-in-dûrnár]

eh its not the story it self but the lack of elvish words that you can use at the back....i mean come on i would hav been a bit happyer with like maybe 10 more or even the real names of the ulair :ring: but yeah fongolfins fall was very sad as with felagund when he fell to sauron

[Gil Galad]

yeh the poor guy, he looked liek he could win too, and then he broke his bounds and slew the wolf that wud have eaten Beren

[Undomiel]

mecry the fall of Finrod and Fingolfin were both so sad-they upset me v. much :(

[Tar-Palantír]

Nothing really dissapointed me, this is the way all the great mythologies are. If everything was happy from the beginning, how can there be so much evil now? It had to originate from somwhere. Therefore the mythologies explain this through all these stories.