ya know what i still don't get...

[Ebony Troublemaker]

okay, so arwen supposedly gives away her mortality saying "i choose a mortal life"... yet in The Two Towers, when elrond is giving his lovely speech to her, he mentions that she'll have to taste the bitterness of mortality, and that she'll be alone and lingering until the end of the world. so... did she really give up her mortality to be with aragorn or was that figuratively speaking?

[Olsonm]

Elrond doesn't say til the end of the world, but; "until the world is *changed*."

[Morgothian]

How do elfs die I mean dont they figure I have lived long enough and now I want to die. Do they just like say ok I wanna die now.

[Ebony Troublemaker]

elves are immortal; they only die from a broken heart or a wound.

but Olsonm, that still doesnt answer my question...

[Ereinion]

I think she did gave up her immortality, because after they're married, she can't sail to Valinor anymore...Her faith is to stay in ME and outlive her love-one

[Olsonm]

I don't know if she's made her final decision yet in the movie. But once she chooses she will be mortal.

[ImDaMom]

I think Elrond is still trying to convince her to sail to Valinor. He's hoping he can talk her out of staying. In the end of the appendices, we read that after Aragorn's death, Arwen does die in Lothlorien, where she fell in love with Aragorn. :mecry: Its sooo sad.

[Lobelia Celebrian]

To further this question:
Is the necklace that Arwen gives to Aragorn supposed to represent her immortality? And when she gives Aragorn the necklace, she gave up her years (so to speak)?
This only plagues me cuz none of the other Elves have a necklace? And if the necklace represents her immortality, then why don't any other Elves have it? And if it doesn't represent her immortality, then what do you think is the significance?

[ImDaMom]

Because at this time, only Arwen, Elladan and Elrohir have the option of becoming mortal, and giving up their immortality, as the children of Elrond (who was given the choice by the Valar, in recognition of the great worth of his father, Earindil. Elros, the brother of Elrond, chose mortality. Elrond chose immortality, and his children were also given that choice.) The only others given the choice were Luthien and Idril, who both chose mortals rather than elves. The necklace, I believe, more represents her bond with Aragorn, and her committment to him. That role was, in the book, taken by the ring that Aragorn gives Arwen, but in the movie, he continues to wear (the ring of Barahir). My, aren't I pendantic today lol

[Olsonm]

Arwen's necklace sybolizes her immortality just as a wedding band sybolizes a marriage. They are symbols: not the things themselves.

The movie doesn't get into it but Arwen is special in that she has a choice: she is "half-elven" and can choose mortality or immortality. Other elves don't have this choice.

You beat me IDM! :angry: ;)

[Tirithel]

I thought the necklace was representative of "the Evenstar" which she is often called...:huh:

What sorta gets my goat is that in FotR, I think it's meant to show that she gives her immortality to Frodo to save his life. Remember when the Ringwraiths are crossing the river and the flood washes them away. Suddenly Frodo kinda seems to be kicking the bucket, and Arwen holds him close and says, "What Grace has given me, let it pass to him. Let him be spared."

What the shiznit is all that about? Why'd they have to remove Glorfindel anyways?

Can I just restate that I hate PJ? Thanks. lol

[Lady Luthien]

lol Tiri

well...I know that in the books, Arwen doesnt leave for the Grey Havens, and she does give up her mortality...but in the movie the necklace symbolizes her mortality, whereas in the book it is simply a necklace. The movie shows her going off to the Grey Havens with her kin like she had choosen an immortal life without Aragorn...but I think PJ will probably make her turn around at the last second and give up her immortality at the end for Aragorn...just to give the love story a few more twists and make it more interesting...just a guess though...I was confused about that whole imortality/mortality giving up thing too from the movies...cause i knew how it was gunna turn up in the books...but then if the giving away of her necklace represents her mortality...then how could she go off to the undying lands when Aragorn has it in TTT? Now I'm confused again...lol

[Tirithel]

Yeah, and why is Elrond so completely stubborn? I mean, in FotR, we already sawher choose a mortal life on the bridge in Imladris with Aragorn, DUH!!! Didn't he ever see the movie? I mean, how faithless would Arwen have to be to say she'd stay with Aragorn and then, at the slightest bit of pressure, the slightest temptation of her father, just turn around and leave him?!? What a jerk!

Honestly, elves and their wishy-washy-ness...:rolleyes: