About Arwen's role in Helm's Deep

[Gowpon]

Well, I don't really understand her role in the battle...

I don't hate her, I think she's pretty...elfy, if that's the right word..:)
I just don't understand there are pictures of her going to war, and a picture of her dieing?
Everthing is just too confusing...can someone tell me:
Is she going to war with her father?or is she just going to kick so orc as$ alone?

AHH...DON'T GET IT! Even though I don't mind PJ changing the plot involving the elves, but i don't know anything about it!!! I want to know!!! I'm an Elf lover!!!

[Nessa]

No one really knows exactly what Arwen's role will be.... although I think its been deduced that she will appear at Helm's Deep, but not fight there, which I can live with, personally. :)

PJ has recruted the Lorien elves to fight at Helm's Deep, but I'm not sure about Elrond. There are photos that people have stated are of Elrond as well as Arwen in Lorien, but I really don't know what they're doing there.

[Undomiel]

That pic of her dying...

If it's the one i'm thinkin of...

I reckon that's actually from the last film, either that or a premonition of what's gonna happen. It seems to look like the end of the "Tale of Aragorn and Arwen" (or something like that). I got confused bout that, coz I'm sure it was in the trailer for FOTR as well.

[Magickcello]

I learned from a site (and this isnt just a rumor it is true) that in that pic, Arwen isnt actually dying. Escpecially since she dies at the end of Return of the King, because they added the part in appendix A when Aragorn and Arwen die (sorry dont mean to give any thing away :angel: !)
I heard from someone that she is talking to Galadriel with her mind- I dont know if that is true.
And I dont think she fights at Helms Deep.....

[Gowpon]

But there're some picture of her riding and armed?!
...Hmmm
and do Galadriel or Elrond fight? or it's just the elves from Lothlorien?

[Nessa]

Peter Jackson planned on having her fight at Helm's Deep.. so perhaps a bit was filmed....... but apparently Liv just wasn't right for it so he ultimately decided against it. :)

I cannot picture either Elrond or Galadriel fighting, not the way PJ has portrayed them.

( Hello Magickcello! :wave: I don't believe we've met!)

[Magickcello]

Galadriel fighting? Does she fight? What happened there....
I cant imagine Elrond doing anything but a stone face :mmmm:
(Hi Nessa :batty: I'm new so you wouldnt know me)
I dont think Liv is cut out for any type of acting but I heard that she was still going to be in it, they just had to take out a lot of scenes of her because they were-err....not so good :evil: :grin:

[Nessa]

Originally posted by Gowpon
and do Galadriel or Elrond fight? or it's just the elves from Lothlorien?

Thats all I was referring to, Magickcello. I've never heard anything about them actually fighting.

[Magickcello]

Oh....Galadriel seems like the evil potential sort, but I dont think she does fight....I saw Elrond in some armour though :archer:

[Sindarin]

I think Arwen's at Helm's Deep so she can be at Aragorn's side, yet I don't think she'll be fighting any Orcs on the battlefield.

I also heard that P.J. decided not to use Liv in the actual battle since she lacked proper fighting skills. Perhaps she'll be an archer reinforcing the wall of the Helm.

Although she'll be at Helm's Deep, I doubt that Galadriel will be fighting in the battle - it's kind of difficult to imagine. Elrond and the other elves just might though.

As for Arwen dying - not until ROTK with Aragorn.

"Utulie'n aure! Aiya Eldalie ar Atanatari, utulie'n aure!"

[Bonos-Girl]

i heard that they filmed arwen fighting but decided she looked too much 'like a girl' (no offence..i am a girl myself...)

[Pil]

NOOOOOOO! We won't allow it!

ARWEN IN ARMOUR:archer:

[Sindarin]

lol

[Narsil's weilder]

Well she is a great charecter and to have to wait for her to come back is a problem. Jackson made her too great a charecter and I think audiences like her too mcuh. PLus there is the female roll model thing. But I guess you can have that with Eowyn and Galadriel.

[Undomiel]

I'm pretty sure Arwen will be at Helm's Deep. I'm pretty sure she doesn't fight though. I reckon she has to be there coz I'm sure she's the one who brings Anduril to Aragorn (so that they keep the love story going).

[shinjo]

I am pretty sure she will be at Helm's Deep, and I think she will be delievering Aragorn's Sword, re-forged. I think that was her in the first trailer, when it was black and someone standing in front of the window with light streaming through.

[Gowpon]

:thumbs: :thumbs: :thumbs:
Thanks guys! Great info!!roflmao roflmao

[Arwen, Elven Princes]

Ok, I've seen about every trailer for LOTR and using logic I think I know some stuff.
In FOTR Elond said that his people would be leaving, so the go to Lorien(maybe)while there the look in the Mirror of Galadriel and find out what's up with Aragorn and all them. So Elrond and Celeborn talk and send help, and some how Arwen goes and take Narsil re-forged with her. They get there, they fight.

FYI: Arwen was wearing red on her gown in the picture that she was "dying" in, and in the trailer when it showed her laying down I thought that it looked like she was wearing red in the same area. Not to mention that her battle costum was a red top.

Oh, and by the way stop picking on Arwen, she's great, my favorite character. When girls start wielding swords and shooting arrows and throwing darts and all sorts of other fighting then that's what makes a movie or a book cool.

Any quetions?

[Nessa]

Originally posted by Arwen, Elven Princes
Oh, and by the way stop picking on Arwen, she's great, my favorite character. When girls start wielding swords and shooting arrows and throwing darts and all sorts of other fighting then that's what makes a movie or a book cool.


But we have Eowyn to do all that!

I'm happy that people are supporting Arwen, I certainly don't hate her, but I don't want her fighting, I think it could take away from Eowyn's part. No offense, and not trying to argue.

Some pretty impressive deducing, there. :thumbs:

[Catz]

guys remember....discussion boards and forums are for just that.....discussions...and you cant have that if every one agrees.
Its not a matter of "picking" on Arwen AEP, its just a matter of opinion....and everyone is entitled to state their opinion, as long as they have some sort of justification for it.
Its not personal.
:catz:

[Gowpon]

:cool: Wow! Never thought about that things will go on THIS fast!!
Been away for some time and plenty of stuff to think! :)
So...AEP, don't get upset! There are lots of people like me who LOVES Arwen!!

Well...now I got more confused...why would Arwen take away Eowyn's role if she fights??? They can both fight!! Just at different time and place! It's simple!! :battle:
But actually I don't really care, I think it doesn't really matter how many orc butt she kicked. The purpose of Arwen is to give Aragorn support! (To make sure he bathes and does his laundry? lol j/k) Fighting is not the point! Being with her love is important! Because that's what most people think she is--Aragorn's girlfriend!
At least that is my opinion! ;) :cool: :archer: :archer:

[Gowpon]

What the?? The thing i posted went to page 3??
I'll just paste it on again!
Wow! Never thought about that things will go on THIS fast!!
Been away for some time and plenty of stuff to think!
So...AEP, don't get upset! There are lots of people like me who LOVES Arwen!!

Well...now I got more confused...why would Arwen take away Eowyn's role if she fights??? They can both fight!! Just at different time and place! It's simple!! :battle:
But actually I don't really care, I think it doesn't really matter how many orc butt she kicked. The purpose of Arwen is to give Aragorn support! (To make sure he bathes and does his laundry? j/klol ) Fighting is not the point! Being with her love is important! Because that's what most people think she is--Aragorn's girlfriend! :archer: :archer: :archer:
At least that is my opinion!

:p

[Gowpon]

What is happening?
I can't post on page4???

[Drunken Nazgul]

Hello everyone, I am new to this forum. I am a member of the greek fan club.
As far as i know Arwen will not be at Helm's Deep . The Elves that will fight there will be Galadrim led by Haldir and they will all die defending Aragorn and a band of rohirim.

[Nessa]

Hello Drunken Nazgul! :wave:

Welcome to War of the Ring.

[Narsil's weilder]

Welcome, I am new too. I like this place, it makes me feel like I'm right at home (RX7club.com) that is also powered by vBulletin.

[Lady Ashley]

I've heard the rumors too...they disturb me. But I had a feeling all along that Arwen would be back in TTT, because I've noticed anyone doing movies just don't stick a character in one movie to leave them out of the rest.

I myself don't think Arwen should be running around Helm's Deep. I'm a girl, and love women's rights, but Tolkien did NOT intend Arwen to be a warrior. The books were written decades ago, when women were meant to sit home and wait for the men to come home from war and such. Book Arwen is an example. The books were not meant to be romance novels. The romance is in the books, rather invisible, but in there. But, ai, Hollywood loves romances.

But what's even more disturbing to me now is that Eowyn seems to be going to Helm's Deep too.

[Nessa]

I think the Eowyn rumor right now is she will be protecting the wounded in the Glittering Caves, there are pictures of her here, and none of her actually in the battle of Helm's Deep.

I would be more happy to see her fight than Arwen, but I would like to wait and see her in action on the Pellanor, where she belongs.... also if she fights at Helm's Deep wouldn't it destroy the whole disguised as a man Dernhelm thing?

[Lady Ashley]

Yeah...I agree, Nessa, she's prolly brought all the refugees from Edoras to the Helm's Deep, though I'm sure I don't know why she couldn't go to Dunharrow like she's supposed to. Well, PJ helped develope the script, so there's the answer.

But I wonder if Arwen is going to go on the Paths of the Dead? Probably!

[Nessa]

Yes, apparently the Glittering Caves is meant to replace Dunharrow.

I certainly would not like seeing Arwen on the Paths of the Dead. Of course, she wouldn't fear them, being an elf.... and she just may replace her brothers..... it sure would complicate Eowyn's crush on Aragorn.. being told she couldn't go with him and then watching him take her along.... :o

[Lady Ashley]

Yep. It certainly would. But if Arwen does NOT go to the Paths of the Dead, would she be tagging along with the Rohirrim to the Pelennor Fields? Let's hope not.

But can we really tell at this point? Not much...only guesses...

As far as I can see it, Arwen will be at Helm's Deep for some reason or other. I've seen at least three or four clear pics of her there.

[Undomiel]

I reckon after Helm's Deep Arwen is gonna sit it out in Lórien, this is a complete guess though. I just cant see how it would work if she goes to the Pelennor Fields, I mean it would really, really complicate the whole Éowyn thing. I didnt know they were replacing Dunharrow!!! :(

[Lady Ashley]

Well, they are sending Eowyn and the refugees to Helm's Deep, so I'm only guessing they're cutting out Dunharrow.

[Nessa]

PJ has stated (I'm nearly sure of this) that The Glittering Caves will replace Dunharrow.

As to what Arwen will do after Helm's Deep, I haven't a clue.

[Gowpon]

Hope I can post on page 4 this time...things went mad!!!:elfeek:
What the?? The thing i posted went to page 3??
I'll just paste it on again!
Wow! Never thought about that things will go on THIS fast!! lol
Been away for some time and plenty of stuff to think!
So...AEP, don't get upset! There are lots of people like me who LOVES Arwen!! :thumbs:

Well...now I got more confused...why would Arwen take away Eowyn's role if she fights??? They can both fight!! Just at different time and place! It's simple!! :battle:
But actually I don't really care, I think it doesn't really matter how many orc butt she kicked. The purpose of Arwen is to give Aragorn support! :archer: :archer: :archer: (To make sure he bathes and does his laundry? j/k lol ) Fighting is not the point! Being with her love is important! Because that's what most people think she is--Aragorn's girlfriend! :blush:
At least that is my opinion! ;)

[Gowpon]

Finally things went back to normal... :) lol

[Nessa]

Gowpon, glad things are functioning for you again. ;)

I agree that Arwen 'supporting' Aragorn is livable. May even come off as sweet if its done nicely. I'm going to try and explain why I think Arwen fighting would take away from Eowyn, and then I'm going to drop it because I'm 99% sure Arwen's not getting anywhere near a sword, unless it be Narsil. ;)

Eowyn is a woman warrior in a world of male warriors. Having other women fight, even if just one, would detract attention. People would not be as impressed with Eowyn if she were not the only woman fighting. Thats my personal opinion anyhow, and maybe I'm making to big a deal of it. :grin: In any case I'm done with the whole subject, its quite tiring. :)

[Gowpon]

Get it!! U're damn right!
but...how will people be impressed by a woman fighting when small people such as hobbits can fight?

[Nessa]

I guess its a different situation.... its not so much people impressed by a woman who can fight, but overcoming obstacles that prevent women from fighting.

Hobbits is another kind of respect I want people to have...... impressed because such a phsically unsubstantial species can perform in battle, or at least hold there own. :) Oh dear, I've gone off topic....

[Catz]

not really Nessa....and youre raising interesting points, both of you....i have to say i agree with you Nessa :cool:
:catz:

[Pil]

No-one stopping hobbit fighting (unless it be frodo in rotk) it's just a decision they make. Women are prevented from it...they want to but aren't allowed! verymad

[Nessa]

I don't think its so much that women were not allowed to fight...... they just didn't. It was basicly unheard of (I think).

Bottom line: I'm fine with Arwen showing up, but if she even thinks about swinging a sword around......NO! :grin: I'm almost completely sure she won't anyway.

[Arwen, Elven Princes]

Sorry, I couldn't help saying something. Everyone seems to be against Arwen, But I'm ALWAYS happy to find people that support her, I guess you could say Liv was kinda the "runt" out of all the actors, but it's not HER fault, (she was better then the guy that played anakin). But let's face it:

We can't be sure of ANYTHING untill the movie.

ps. Nessa, ever been to zeldafan.net?

[Gowpon]

AEP don't be mand!! ;)
I like Arwen!
and u are right about we can't be sure until the movie comes outlol

[Undomiel]

I think Arwen's a great character (i wouldnt hav chosen this name otherwise) im glad they gave her more to do than in the books. i was thinking tho with wat u were saying about eowyn, thing is there is a big hoo-haa about the fact that she isnt sposed to fight coz she's a woman, so how can they (the men at Helm's Deep that is) then justify letting Arwen fight-they would be going against wat they'd sed and that wud be a bit unfair on Eowyn really.

[Nessa]

AEP, I hope you're not upset with me. :grin: I'm not against Arwen at all, and I think Liv did a fine job. Just stating a view. (And you're right, she was MUCH better than that Anakin guy!)

What is zeldafan.net out of curiousity?

[Pil]

I don't understand how people can class arwen as a brilliant character from the books...COS SHE DOESN'T DO AAAAANYTHING! :angry:

Enlighten me here! :huh: :flamer:

[Undomiel]

o she isn't particularly amazing at all in the books (except that she's v lucky-grrrr verymad ) just the film version as it adds female roles to the films and not in a shy "i cant do nething coz i'm a woman" way either which is gud :)

[Gowpon]

Well...Arwen DID something in the appendix!!
I still want to stick to my "Support Aragorn" theory...I don't really care if she fights or not!! :p

[Pil]

If ur refering to her 'giving up her immortality....blah.....blah.....blah' then i'm afraid i don't count that as particularly earth-shattering... :angry:

[Lady Ashley]

LOL

I completely agree...she did do a better job than Anakin...she didn't seem to be made of wood.:grin:

Tho her voice was too breathy for me...but yes, we shall just have to wait until Dec to see...DECEMBER!! mecry mecry

[Nessa]

Pil, don't be so hard on book Arwen! If not for her, Frodo wouldn't have had the chance to go to Aman. (At least thats my understanding......)

I wonder how that will be shown in the film? But I suppose thats another thread.....

[Gowpon]

Oh man....we have to wait 'til DEC!!! verymad verymad
can't wait!!!

[Arwen, Elven Princes]

I must say, I don't want Arwen there when Eowyn kills the witch-king. Maybe she goes some where else, WAIT, she's the daughter of elrond maybe she knows something about healing and goes to the houses of the healing. (Could be wrong).

don't be so hard on book Arwen! If not for her, Frodo wouldn't have had the chance to go to Aman
I havn't finished the books yet, I'm in the apendics if that helps you know where i am. In fact, i was sad at the end of the book, I don't know why, Maybe 'cause i didn't want the book to end it was so good or what? Oh well, no matter, i'm just blabbing.

ps. Nessa forget about Zeldafan.net. I just thought I had seen your name before (unless you really want to know)

[Eowyn]

I have only just met Eowyn in the books! I only bought them last week (due to lack of money and exams or I would have read them ages ago.)

[Pil]

OH MY GOD! RUN! RUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUN! DON'T COME BACK UNTIL YOU'VE FINISHED THE BOOKS! THERE'S NO WAY OF NOT FINDING OUT THE ENDING! RUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUN! mecry

[Pil]

Sorry....*clears throat*...( :blush: ) I....suppose.....i could be a bit nicer to arwen....*looks painfully at what just typed*....i'll just keep my mouth shut...'if u can't say anything nice...say nothing at all!' :thumbs: :angry: lol

[Mirkgirl]

Originally posted by Pil
I don't understand how people can class arwen as a brilliant character from the books...COS SHE DOESN'T DO AAAAANYTHING! :angry:

Enlighten me here! :huh: :flamer:

That's her charm :shhh: roflmao

[Eowyn]

Don't worry I'll finish the books soon. I have to read quickly because my sister has been told the ending and is determined to tell me :(

Usually ends with me yelling nooooooo and covering my ears.

[Mirkgirl]

That's the good thing about being the only child (sorry couldn't resist... once again)

Well on the topic... I think if Arwen was not in her Xena version in the movie there would have been a lot of "sexist" movie labels from the people who hasn't read the book... After all in our "feministic" society a movie in which the only named females are Rosie (Sam dances with her, woo-hoo) and Galadriel (mighty queen, who makes you think "Is she goo?") and Arwen - Aragorn's elf-chick

[Gowpon]

lol lol
I like it!
"Aragorn's elven chick"! :thumbs:
I think the most important is that she'll stay with her Mr. Right...supporting him...;)

[Arwen, Elven Princes]

Also, I'm not mad at anybody if that's what some of you think. I don't get mad at people easily, I was defensive about people's opinions on Arwen and I apologize.

You’re a fast reader Eowyn!;)

[Eowyn]

Thanks! :blush:

I'm determined to complete them before someone tells me the end! Although people keep interupting me whenever things get exciting. I haven't got too much more to read before I finish the two towers now.

[Gowpon]

Believe me! TTT is AWESOME!!! :thumbs:
I think it is my favorite of the three...lol

[Narsil's weilder]

Yeah, I agree. TTT rocks.

[Isiltári]

I think the expansion of Arwen's character for the movie medium is totally understandable.

[Mirkgirl]

which doesn't make it less irritating (otherwise I totally agree)

[Pil]

ROTK IS THE BEST! Finish with TTT soon and you can get onto the REALLY good stuff! :thumbs: :)

TTT does rock though! :p

I think that rosie and galadriel in the film would have kept the feminists at bay...c'mon...cool, nucleur elf queen...what more do you want? :huh:

[Eowyn]

awwww rosie and sam! so sweet! ;)

but thats off the point. I agree that they didn't need to expand Arwens role to keep the feminists from complaining but its still good to watch.

[Nessa]

I don't think it had as much to do with femenism than expanding a romantic lead. I think the film-makers were trying to make the relationship between Arwen and Aragorn meaningful to the audience. They chose to do this by not only adding a love scene, but making Arwen's role more physical. But not too much more.....

[Spat]

Hmmmm what do you mean TTT rocks!! did you guys seen it?????

if yes how where when!! and of course CAN I SEE IT TOO? :-p

[Illuvatar]

Think they meant the book there Splat. lol

[Arwen, Elven Princes]

Sorry....*clears throat*...( ) I....suppose.....i could be a bit nicer to arwen....*looks painfully at what just typed*....i'll just keep my mouth shut...'if u can't say anything nice...say nothing at all!'


No! No! I don't what you to change your opinions (Unless you want to...) just because of what I said. I mean I consider, when i'm watching the movie, Boromir a totally, complete and in every other way a JERK (Was it alright to say that, jerk?) But after he repents I have more respect and like him more.

And DO NOT KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT!!! Say what you will, I will hinder it if I may!
*All Gasp*
*Cheerfull* Just kiding!!!!!
No really I was joking; I couldn't help saying it.
Give your opinion and don't feel guilty.;) ;) ;) ;)

[Gowpon]

HAHA! AEP good attitude! :thumbs:
Yeah, what we said about TTT is the book :naughty:
Welcome Spat! lol

[Pil]

Originally posted by Arwen, Elven Princes
No! No! I don't what you to change your opinions (Unless you want to...) just because of what I said. I mean I consider, when i'm watching the movie, Boromir a totally, complete and in every other way a JERK (Was it alright to say that, jerk?) But after he repents I have more respect and like him more.

And DO NOT KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT!!! Say what you will, I will hinder it if I may!
*All Gasp*
*Cheerfull* Just kiding!!!!!
No really I was joking; I couldn't help saying it.
Give your opinion and don't feel guilty.;) ;) ;) ;)

a) OK....i will voice my opinions...:cuddles: lol :p
b) i think jerk is ok to say...u could ask fatty or illu or summut?

AND C) SPAT!!!! IF ONE OF US HAD SEEN TTT BY NOW U THINK IT WOULDN'T BE ALL WE WOULD BE TALKING ABOUT????!!!!! :huh: veryhappy

[Catz]

breathe Pil ;) lol
yes these forums are for discussions...that means we wont all agree and thats fine...as long as we remember to respect the fact that we all have a right to our own opinions...that was very well put AEP:thumbs: :cool:
:catz:

[Arwen, Elven Princes]

:blush: *Blush*
Thanks.

[Eowyn]

ok there's a picture of legolas in the rain but Liv Tyler said that the ears were made from gelatine and melted if they got wet. so how'd they film that? are his ears different? :huh:

[Catz]

that depends on whether or not it was a digital shot or a physical shot.....they could have used several techniques.....they could have used a different prosthetic, tho for close shots they always used the gelatine ears cos they look so natural...the rain could have been added digitally...or the ears could have been added digitally...or it could have been a combination of all of the above.....wonderful thing CG ;) :grin: :cool:
:catz:

[Gowpon]

I think the most possible one is that the ears might be digital.
Cuz it's hard for PJ and the actors to act like they are in the rain!lol What about the water on their face? So I think ears are easier to deal with! :p :grin:

[Eowyn]

thanks! :grin:

[Smaug the Smog]

Originally posted by Nessa
hat is zeldafan.net out of curiousity? :o :elfeek: YIKES!! Zeldafa.net is well..a Zelda Fan Site. I think there is foul play afoot, there is someone on ZEldafan with your EXACT name!

[Nessa]

Creepy! :elfeek:

Not too much into Zelda, I'm not even sure what it is.

I'm glad you're not upset with any of us, AEP. :thumbs: You're the best kind of poster, one who likes to share their views and encouraging others to share theirs.

[Gowpon]

Back to the topic guys... ;)

I think I figured it out. The most important job for Arwen is to deliver Narsil's shards to Aragorn!!! lol
Is it?

[Nessa]

Topic, right! :grin:

I'd say thats pretty important, although I don't think he recieves the sword until Rotk. I could definately handle Arwen doing that, if its tasteful, of course.

[Mirkgirl]

There's a big risk for her to stab with them

After all is there anyone here who thinks her brothers (or anyone else) could handle that job better.

Or anyone who thinks Eowyn is not enough???

[Gowpon]

Stab? With Narsil's shards???
lol lol

[Mirkgirl]

That's Arwen we're talking about ;)

[Gowpon]

But Arwen has her own sword!! Don't u remember?
And according to the news so far, Arwen isn't going to join the fight except self defense!! Oh well, at least that's what I know about. lol

[Eowyn]

The film release just does not seem to be getting any closer! mecry

[Mirkgirl]

Originally posted by Gowpon
But Arwen has her own sword!! Don't u remember?

pst *Mirky looks around and whispers* It was fake

[Catz]

Heheheh...yeah, they didnt want her hurting the horse:naughty: lol
well i for one could have handled a little more....exposure ...for the Sons of Elrond......yummmmmm dark hair and pointy ears:loveyou: ....but i guess the other 50% of the population had to be catered to as well....damitall....;) roflmao
:catz:

[Smaug the Smog]

I think that Arwen does not use The Shards of Narsil!
I think that shes bring them to Aragorn!

[Gowpon]

Well, I think it's not a rumor anymore that Arwen will carry the shards of Narsil to Aragorn...it's confirmed alreay...:p

And I don't think there's anyway Arwen's going to use the shards...lol

[Bonos-Girl]

i think the deal with women not fighting was just like medaevil times and stuff cos women in history have always been thought of as lesser than men.....in lotr they're not so much unequal but the still have different 'jobs' as such........men do the fighting and destroy evil and women ......i don't actually know much about what women did in middle earth but i'm sure they had a very important job.......

[Arwen, Elven Princes]

men do the fighting and destroy evil and women ......i don't actually know much about what women did in middle earth but i'm sure they had a very important job.......
Yeah, like stand around and be beautiful.;)
Arwen would do better in self-defence than fighting. But I'd like to see her fight... But if not that's OK.

[Mirkgirl]

Having Arwen fighing destroyes Tolkien's idea of her IMO pfbbt

Not to mention my doubts how Liz would handle the scene

[Nessa]

bonos-girl, show a little respect for women! You are one for goodness sake! lol

Women were most likely healers and home-makers, important jobs! And Eowyn of course destroys evil just as well or better than the next guy. Its elvish women who stand around and look pretty, well, some of them. (Arwen, hopefully.)

[Princess Greenleaf]

I'm sorry, but this ruins the whole trilogy. Tolkien, called a sexist in some places by some people, admired women and had a high place for them in his books. he in my honest opinion would not be happy with this because women were not supposed to fight in battles (with the exception of Eowyn whom I admire). But PJ was wrong to put her in Helm's Deep!

[Bonos-Girl]

i respect women....i was pointing out that
a)they're 'jobs' in history are not generally fighting/saving the world ones. (not necessarily saying they shouldn't save the world/fight)
and
b)we are not given many descriptions of what the women did in middle earth by tolkien....we're not given that much detail about men's normal jobs (when they're not trying to destroy an evil ring)

i'm sorry if it came across like that but it wasn't meant to...

[Princess Greenleaf]

You're correct in all senses. I wasn't specifically talking to you, though. :)

[Arwen, Elven Princes]

)they're 'jobs' in history are not generally fighting/saving the world ones. (not necessarily saying they shouldn't save the world/fight)
What about Joan of Arc? She fought, didn't she. But yes, most Women did stay home and do stuff like sewing and maniging the house, and it aslo didn't help PJ that Tolkein didn't give a very good decription on what women and girls did in middle-earth.

[Gowpon]

Uh...just came back and see that the thread had gone a little bit...aggressive...but it was good that we had discussions!!

But you know, i think everyone has difference opinions of what Arwen should or shouldn't do. Personally I think PJ is not going to let her fight except self defence. Lookie here, Arwen's job is going to deliver the shards to Aragorn (it's pretty much confirmed already), and those slimy Orcs are not just going to stand there and say hi. So I think:

1. Arwen is NOT going to swing her sword at the orkies if she doesn't have to.
2. She'll probably just have to ride through a bunch of orcs, PJ may do that to avoid letting her fight but can also show her courage!!!

[Undomiel]

is she going to bring Narsil reforged-ie Anduril, or is it still gonna be the shards?????????

[Gowpon]

Perhaps she is going to collect it and take it somewhere to reforge it. lol

Just guessing

[Mirkgirl]

It's ok to have a women fighting, but Arwen is not such character... if he wants to, PJ can imagine someone else for Xena ):

[Loravarnion Darkstone]

from what I've gathered about Arwen in other Forums, I think I can safely define her role in TTT.
Elrond Bilbo Arwen and some other elves leave Lorien(taking the shards) because they no longer think it is safe and travel to Lorien. Once there Galadriel offers Arwen to look into the mirror and whe she does she see's Aaragorn at Helms being killed by Uruk hai and then see's herself dying of a broken heart(black and red dress from the trailers) she sends a group of Elves to Helms led by Haldir and also follows herself. Haldir gets crushed under a gate and Arwen tries to help the refugee's, specifically a woman named Morwen. she also possibly blows a horn.
after the battle she goes a frolicking with Aragorn and later helps him unlock the mysteries of the palantir(though that might happen in RotK)
that help out some?

[Eowyn]

that helps. thanks. :)

[Lady Ashley]

Eek! But how does one explaining her reading a book in the same red dress? grrrrr......*looks around for a sword so she may go kill PJ and his writing team*

Adding too much...I swear, TTT might just have the most changes if all three...maybe. In fact, it just might! FOTR didn't really add much, just chopped out and twisted.

[Loravarnion Darkstone]

maybe the reading was from when they weren't filming and just used as a publicity shot.
or I could be mistaken about her dying in the red dress.

[Nessa]

Originally posted by Ashley T
[/B]Adding too much...I swear, TTT might just have the most changes if all three...maybe. In fact, it just might! FOTR didn't really add much, just chopped out and twisted. [/B]

Yes, Ashley, PJ has already stated that The Two Towers will least resemble the book. Ah well, better it than Rotk.

As for Arwen's role, you seem to have summed it up pretty well. Just as well as any of us can deduce I imagine. Although the words "frolicking with Aragorn after the battle" sound a touch sickening..... lol

[Orkybash]

Yes it does.

But only because I have a countdown thingy on my desktop. :)

[Eowyn]

how long now?

[Gowpon]

Hey Ashley! Calm down!! This is just rumor after all!
You can't really say that anything is "confirmed" unless PJ says so or until the movie comes out!!:grin:

[Lady Ashley]

*sheepish smile* You're right. And like the saying...only time will tell...

[Pil]

I think that by putting arwen in helm's deep it COMPLETELY takes away from Eowyn's role! Eowyn dresses up as a man...manages to fool the men i may add...and fights with the rest of them! I mean, cool! Arwen is NOT there for that fiesty female role...she is there to look good...to those with imagination...and marry the hero. And that's it! Arwen in armour is going to make me throw up into my popcorn box...but that just MHO... :huh: :)

[TheRingBearer]

Yeah, I mean changing a few things is ok but the whole Arwen thing is just too much. Just cause it's Liv Tyler doesn't mean she should get a bigger role.

[Loravarnion Darkstone]

yeah but if she didn't have a bigger role, they wouldn't cast someone famous, they would have cast after the script was written.
I don't think Arwen should be at Helms, for that matter I don't think Eowyn should be either. I'd like it if Arwen just called the flood in FotR and thereafter was strictly in a walking and talking role (though still as a main character, like Galadriel), cos as I said earlier, I think of Arwen fighting is just a fluke not an everyday thing.

[Undomiel]

why do they have to change itmecry the book's good, the storyline in the book is good. Why change it when it's a book loved by millions?????:(
(sorry i just really like TTT and i dnt want them to change everything)

[Tar-Ancalimë]

Whatever! I think they should have stuck to the book...
the whole way!

(not meaning all the movie, only the scenes w/ the female having a larger role, &t. I think it was better when Frodo rode Asfoloth)

[Eowyn]

I don't want them to change anything either! why change a winning combination? the book it brilliant and I cannot stress this enough I do not want it changed! Arwen shouldn't be there! :angry:

[Undomiel]

exactly!!!!!!!!why ruin a perfect storyline, it makes no sense. I mean Eowyn is a strong female character and there's really no need for Arwen as well.

[Lady Ashley]

Once more, I agree. How we have talked this to death! Yet it is too late, and we can't do a thing about it now.

[Eowyn]

darn! I want to see Eowyn fight Arwen! no reason really just thought it might be amusing! :wicked:

[Lady Ashley]

"He's mine! I'm of his kind!"

"Ha! I saw him first! Long before you were born!"

"Dimmerlaik elf!"

*Eowyn brings out sword* *Arwen brings out sword* *CLANG!*

Aragorn: "Two ladies fighting over me!" *Aragorn grins and sits back to watch, smoking his pipe at ease*

[Illuvatar]

Well, yea..that would be good! lol

And we don't have that yet...

BUT....we do have this Arwen VS Galadriel Deathmatch (http://warofthering.net/forums/vbulletin225/upload/showthread.php?threadid=310)

Thanks to our prolific writer Sir Orc! :p

[Eowyn]

oh cool! well thats a start! :p

[Pil]

It WOULD be cool to actually see. I'd make a banner and stand at the front of the cinema shouting "GO EOWYN! GO EOWYN! GO EOWYN!" veryhappy

[TheRingBearer]

Or how about Merry VS Pippin lol

:evil: :evil:

[Bonos-Girl]

awwww.....you can't have pippin vs merry....i wouldn't know who to cheer for!!!

[Gowpon]

Hey guys! I don't think we should start something like "let's kill Arwen" topic!!:stomper:

Why do you all asume that she is going to FIGHT?
This is not confirmed yet! :flamer: verymad

As I said before, I think what she is going to do is "delivering Narsil". Why get all fired up before she swings her sword? :elfqueen:

Personally I don't think Arwen in Helm's Deep is a big issue as long as she doesn't challenge the orc! :cool:

[Undomiel]

Do you think they'll change the swords name to Anduril or leave it as Narsil? I want them to change it but i have this suspicion that they wont. o well here's hoping

[Arwen, Elven Princes]

Yeah, maybe Arwen won't fight at helm's deep... she'll fight FOR helm's deep!!
*Cackles*
Just kiding. Eowyn really shouldn't be there but if she is and if Arwen is then there is nothing we can do about it but boil over with rage and stamp our feet on the ground and wast a lot of time and energy, do you see my point?

ps. Lady Ashley Thalionwen that was very funny!!!
roflmao roflmao

[Lady Ashley]

:blush:

Thanks.

[Princess Greenleaf]

roflmao roflmao lol lol roflmao roflmao roflmao

Man that's too funny...is Celebrity Death match still on? I loved that show!

I can see it now...Grandma Galadriel fighting granddaugher Arwen...oh man this thread has gotten way out of hand!

It has been confirmed that Arwen will deliver Narsil/Andruil to Aragorn, but if she fights...Lord I hope not.

[Pil]

I think it's been pretty much confirmed that PJ cut out any scenes with liv fighting...she just wasn't 'right' for it.....

"Yeah right" we say! It's just that her big blubber lips were getting in the way! :evil:

[Little Devil]

Haha aren't you cruel! But she doesn't look right in battle scenes and she looks awful with her hair all tied up. :)

[Lady Ashley]

I agree, she looks funny. But she looks like Melissa Gillbert! (Sort of.)

[Arwen, Elven Princes]

I think she looks pretty with her hair up, her face looks thin and to long with her long hair down and the deep cuts in her costumes(some of them), she needs to smile more, she'd look so much prettyer. (like i have lot of room to talk!) but she probalby will smile more in the next movies since she is around her love more often.