Rotk Ending

[Galadriel]

I was just wondering how the ending would go in return of the Kings. I mean I have heard many rumors about the ending and the whole movie in general. I heard that they may change the ending about Saruman and that they may not even show the Shire at the end of the movie? Well I hope that they ending is one that kinda goes along with the book. I mean I do hope that they explain the gray havens more because as of right now I have no idea what those are? I also hope that the ending is not to sad. mecry Oh well. Just wondering if any one knew anthing
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[Nessa]

Not too much is known I'm sure... but PJ has done away with the scouring of the shire. Its also been stated that Bilbo shows up at the end to go West with Frodo.... but thats about all I've heard.

You don't want the ending to be sad? :o ;)

Good luck with that, I'm not sure how it could be made to not be at least a little sad.... I'm planning on bringing an entire box of tissues, a pillow to cry into, and a chocolate bar to make me feel better. ;)

[Catz]

yeah Nessa, youve pretty much covered what we know....which 'aint much....
BTW, Galadriel, simply put, the Grey Havens are the place where the Elves set sail from Middle Earth to the Undying Lands...
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[A! Elbereth]

uh.... nothing will make me feel better. Ever since I read the books I get depressed just thinking about the end. argh I'm getting depressed now. *theres no smiley to make the face I'm making now* lol

just wait until I walk out that theatre. I can see it now, people in front will be blowing their noses while my sister drags me out by the shirt because I refuse to leave with the giant mascara streaks on my face, and the huge puddle of tears on the floor infront of me....

was that too much? lol roflmao nah, its most likely what is going to happen... and when i watch it the next 6 times it will jsut get worse.... I'm sad nowmecry thinking...bout it...sad...dont..like...

[HobbitFriend]

They're not showing the Scouring of the Shire?! :elfeek: WHY??!! i hope it's a good ending ... i don't want a sad ending! :mecry: but i guess that's what makes it so real anyway.

~Elbereth - we can go and cry together :mecry: ah, whatever way they end it, it'll be sad :(

I'm a softy... my favorite book/part out of the 3 is The Fellowship of the Ring - because they are all happy and together! well, i'm not so sure about "happy" cuz i mean they are still going into danger and being "stalked" by these creepy Black guys lol but hey! I still can't wait to see the next 2 movies anyway.. sad or no! :thumbs:

[Gowpon]

Yeah...LOTR's ending is sort of depressing...
But I think PJ will come up with something more to the public's liking

[Black Rider]

ooh my favourite part of the books is the scouring of the shire, because it's so ironic - the war of the ring ends right at the door of bag end.
but i agree with Gowpon, PJ will probably do something to please the public's view of the movies

[HobbitFriend]

i hope so! ... but i have faith in PJ ;)

[Sindarin]

I heard from a reliable source last year during FOTR's release that the ending of ROTK will make the fans "weep."

[Fatty]

Yes it looks like it will be straight from many partings into the Grey havens, something like that with a bit stuck on end RE Aragorn adn Arwen.......but hard to say, maybe not even decided yet. They probably have a few endings shot. Needles to say we will try and keep you informed, or if you find soemthign out be sure and let us know.


Fatty

[jediguy]

You know what I think would be a good ending? Having Frodo, Bilbo, Gandalf and co. sail away from the Grey Havens and have the credits start just as the rain rolls back to reveal Valinor at dawn. That would be fantastic, in my opinion. No need to have Sam come home and say “Well, I’m back…”.

[Pil]

We know that we get to see aragorn die...cos of the line that liv is practicing in the DVD...like...something to do with winter has not yet come my lord and would you leave your people BEFORE your time...summut... :huh: mecry

I am looking forward to that a lot...get to see liv depressed...but i will SOOOO cry my eyes out cos aragorn is my second fav character and him dying is just nafoo! :(

[Sindarin]

As will I.

Aragorn's death at the end of ROTK will be most depressing. Kind of like seeing Boromir die in FOTR. Sad, yet noble.

[A! Elbereth]

I guess it was sad... but Boromir, I wasn't fond of. I didn't know much about him... but last night when i wathced it I felt sad for the first time. hahaha my dad watched it and started to cry while I was watching it dry faced. hmmmm I dont know why :huh:

[Sindarin]

Boromir's death was sad (and this is my opinion) because he died a valorus death by defending Merry and Pippin as best as he was able until the end.

Not to mention, he did distract the Uruk-Hai from Frodo by sounding the Horn of Gondor.

In a way, he redeemed himself from his failure when he was unable to control his temptation from taking the One Ring when he fell to its seductive allure of power.

[A! Elbereth]

Good point :thumbs:

[Sindarin]

Thanks. :)

[Dernhelm]

Originally posted by Nessa
Not too much is known I'm sure... but PJ has done away with the scouring of the shire.

I think that would be a major dissappointment. If there is no scouring of the shire, then there is no way to really show the depth of Frodo's personal sacrifice. Tolkein makes it pretty clear that Frodo continues to suffer emotionally and physically from his ordeal and at least part of his decline can be attributed to the fact that instead of going straight to the shire from Gondor, he tarried in Rivendale visiting Bilbo. I still have hope that PJ will come through 'cause for me, it's all about evoking strong emotions.

[Sindarin]

I agree with that statement. :thumbs:

The SOTS is a pivotal occurence in ROTK, and if it is left out of the film, alot of plot points will be missed.

Yet, I'm sure P.J. has a reason for doing this and has most likely thought of something to else good to use in order to redeem himself.

The death of Saruman (hopefully C.L.s' petition worked), the involvement of the Hobbits, etc.

If Saruman's demise doesn't occur in the Shire (and hopefully the way we want to), then perhaps it happens on the battlefield somewhere or maybe in Mordor, probably while dueling Gandalf.

[Nessa]

Welcome, Dernhelm. :wave:

I completley agree with everything you said, I feel that the Scouring is crucial as well. But when looked at from a film-makers point of view it would be hard to do. Apparently PJ felt it would be an anti-climax.

Sindarin, I hope so as well regarding Saruman's death. I can't get those rumors out of my head, though... you know, the one about Grima pushing him out of the window on to a spiked wheel.... :o

[Dernhelm]

Sindarin: I believe that Nessa is right and the death of Saruman will occur at Orthanc. I have seen a picture of him impaled on the spiked wheel. That makes me wonder if Pippin will look into the palantir if Saruman is the only thing falling out of the window!;)


Nessa: Thanks for the welcome. I admit I am no film maker to be sure, but I can't help but feel that it is only time constraints and not a competent film maker's ability to bring that scene to the screen that will be the reason it is not shown. No matter what, I give all props to PJ for what he has and will accomplish.

[Sindarin]

In regards to Saruman's death: whatever will be will be, I suppose. :rolleyes:

I doubt it will much matter though. I'm sure whatever P.J. does, it will be alright.

[Galadriel]

I really hope they have the scorning of the Shire. I mean that is a major point and like most people said it showed how much Frodo did suffer after his ordeal. I mean it also showed how even the small distant Shire was affected by the war of the ring. I mean it showed how brave Merry and Pippin and even Sam was but also show how much Frodo was sick of the whole thing. i just really hope they don't leave it out although those are the rumors.

[A! Elbereth]

So do I.... so do I

[Pil]

Originally posted by Dernhelm
That makes me wonder if Pippin will look into the palantir if Saruman is the only thing falling out of the window!;)


DEAR GOD NO! :o mecry

[Narsil's weilder]

Well they all must sacrafice to save what they can of middle-earth. I think the death of Theoden will be sad, he is a great king, and I hope the battle with Eowyn and the Witch king will be very intense.

[Sindarin]

Indeed. We absolutely need to see Eowyn duel the Witch King! :battle:

[Pil]

EVERYONE KNOW THAT IS MY FAV PART OF THE BOOK....DON'T THEY?!!!!! WELL....IT IS! :loveyou: veryhappy :hooray:

It is an opportunity for a PURELY BRILLIANT action sequence.

PURE EVIL VERSUS PURE GOOD (and a sweet little hobbit lad) :) :) :)

[Sindarin]

Indeed. :)

[Lady Ashley]

But Pippin IS going to look into the palantir...heard this from somewhere. After all, that has great consequences...it sends Pippin and Gandalf on to Minas Tirith. But if it's any consolence, I think Grima is going to push Saruman from the upper floors of Orthanc! There we are, at least PJ can get Saruman's killer correct. *grin*

[fingolfin]

Here is how it's gonna go: Saruman, who since the destruction of Isengard by the Ents had developped an addiciton to pipe weed from the shire, trips on the Palentir that Grima had left on the floor between two bowling games. Saruman then falls out of the window on a vampire killing spike, at which point he disapears in fumes ... meanwhile, Pippin looks in the Palentir and discovers to his dismay that ... (somebody else's turn to continue the story ...)

[Keverzwijn]

I don't know if it's such a good idea to let the movie end with the Frodo, Bilbo, ... parting to the grey havens. :guzzle: To us who have read the books it is logical, But to other people it will be like uh, Valinor? :( Where are they going ?:batty:
:evilcool: (damn, I just love these smilies):thumbs:

[Pil]

I agree that it will need a hellova lot of explaining....yes....undying lands.....troubled heart.......dunno how many people will get it... :huh: :p

[Lady Ashley]

Then perhaps they ought to read the books...:thumbs: :grin:

[Keverzwijn]

yeah, the movie ends with the message; "If you want to understand this ending, read the books." :grin:

:flamer:Keverzwijn :evilcool:

[A! Elbereth]

They better read the books! :flamer: lol jk

But seriously. What's the good of seeing the movie when you haven't read the books - or vise versa a suppose :huh:

:loveyou: Love that book :loveyou:

[Lady Ashley]

I know! If you read the books, it's more interesting to 1) see how badly they changed it and make fun of the changes as well as complain about them, 2) you get to know what happens before-hand and 3) see how in the world they made the book come alive!

However, I must say there are books that I simply cannot get through...Robinson Crusoe...Treasure Island...but LOTR is simply one you must read first. No offense to anythone who didn't, though!

[Narsil's weilder]

PJ will have to decide. He is the man for the job.

[Gowpon]

Don't u guy think that it's amazing that how well PJ turns middle-earth to life?
I've never seen a book that was adapt sooo well!!! :thumbs:

[Miruvor]

Gowpon, what annoys me to death is that PJ has the ABILITY to adapt the book near perfectly, as he proved in his production of FOTR, but he blows it by NOT making it more perfect by sticking closer to the story, when he could easily have done so. I'm not talking about necessary changes, but the useless and foolish changes:

[ God, please, please, please make PJ change Saruman's death scene to something less un-dignifyed than impaling. ]
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[A! Elbereth]

Originally posted by Miruvor

[ God, please, please, please make PJ change Saruman's death scene to something less un-dignifyed than impaling. ]
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I'm with you all the way, Miruvor :thumbs:

[Pil]

I AGREE! DON'T LETS HAVE PJ LETTING HIMSLEF DOWN! :nono: :sneezy:

I think an ending that encourages people to read the books will not only be good for book sales etc etc etc....but will also satisfy the tolkein fan, i think, into feeling that the film has broadened the variety, generation and horisons of the tolkeinfan community, which can only be a good thing! :thumbs:

The more people in the world i can talk lotr to..the better the world will be! veryhappy

[Undomiel]

There definitely arent enough ppl my age who've read it :(

I'm pretty sure that the Scouring of the Shire has been left out :( I was v. sad when I heard that. I think that chapter had real impact as it showed that none of the hobbits really knew what Frodo had done for them, they had no idea.
I think the Grey Havens would be a good ending. I think they shud show the fact that Gandalf and Elrond are also ringbearers as well as Galadriel (though I think they could have made that clearer).
I dont want to see Aragorn die-tis too much for me, what with Frodo sailing away toomecry

[Pil]

mecry I reckon they will show it...tissues at the ready mecry

I didn't know that galadriel was a ring bearer until i read the books...and how anyone is to know that gandalf and elrond are is beyond me! I agree...it wasn't very clear... :(

[Undomiel]

i guess u dnt find out rite till the end bout Gandalf, which was so funny coz I was so shocked when i read that, i just hadnt guessd at all. Im sure Frodo finds out that Elrond is one though. And the only time they show that Galadriel is a ring bearer is right at the very beginning, they didnt mention it at all in Lórienverymad

[Miruvor]

Really Pil? How many times did you say you saw the movie? At the beginning when they are mentioning the 3 rings for the Elf lords, Galadriel is one of the three looking at her ring.
(I can't remember if Elrond is one of the three in that scene. I'm always looking at Galadriel.) I suspect PJ did not show her ring as in the book at the mirror, because it would take away from Frodo's presence and it would be startling, but I like to believe the waving goodbye scene in Lorien, where Galadriel is holding up her hand and you can see a ring on her finger, that that is the ring. I bet they show them all at the Grey Havens.

[jediguy]

Originally posted by Miruvor
Really Pil? How many times did you say you saw the movie? At the beginning when they are mentioning the 3 rings for the Elf lords, Galadriel is one of the three looking at her ring.
(I can't remember if Elrond is one of the three in that scene. I'm always looking at Galadriel.)
Gil-galad, Cirdan and Galadriel were all present in that scene because they were the first guardians of the three Elvish rings.

[Undomiel]

i guess wat i meant when i sed it wasnt clear was that ppl who've read the book would know neway and would prob. notice Galadriel at the beginning, but if u hadnt read the book then coz there's so much to take in at the beginning u mite not notice properly and in that way it wasnt clear. I noticed, but my sister didnt and neither did my dad (my mum had read the book). Alot of my friends didnt notice either.

[Pil]

I noticed like...second or third time round...but i have to admit...first time i didn't make the connection between the three elves at the beginning and galadriel's power... :huh: :duh: :blush: lol

[Eru]

IF YOU CANNOT WAIT FOR THE 2ND MOVIE SEARCH IT IN THE iMESH(A PROGRAMME LIKE THE WELL-KNOWN MORPHEUS) AND DOWNLOAD IT FROM THERE!!!!!!!!!(i have found it there)

[Keverzwijn]

Are you serious? There probably is a rough cut but PJ will guard it very well. It won't have all the special effects and stuff. So IF you saw it tell me what the openingsscene is. Within a 100 days I'll know if you're a liar.:grin:

[Orkybash]

I'd rather wait and see the finished version on the big screen with dolby surround than see a pirated, incomplete, probably lo-qual version on my small computer screen and relatively crappy speakers, thank you.

[Keverzwijn]

right on orkybash. I will not ripp off PJ.

[Eowyn]

hmmmm...... I want to see the movie! but I'll wait. I want to watch it with my friends at the cinema I'll know when to make them jump! :wicked:

[Pil]

lol Yup! lol

I'll not watch a fake either...no WAY! :nono: :angry:

[Evenstar_Elfstone]

theres no way i'm watching a fake, either. i want to torture my parents with the real copy!

[Narsil's weilder]

I downloaded a Movie once, not my cup of tea. Wait for the big screens!

[Catz]

yeah the quality is so much better in an authorised copy...and even better in the theatres...id rather wait too
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