President Kennedy

[Lady Ashley]

(mostly for the Americans in here) Do you think Oswald was the only one involved in President Kennedy's assassination, or do you think it was a big conspiracy?

[Reflux]

lone shooter
nuff sed :p

[Radagast]

¨CIA.... U la la!

[Pil]

I really dont know enough....well...practically ANYTHING about the whole situation....maybe through this thread i will :thumbs: :read:

[Ereinion]

I vote conspiracy....

[Keverzwijn]

The Misfits, proof shown below.
http://www.cinderblock.com/wc.dll?WebStore~ViewItem~MIS~MSF-PT3~SID=03112505072122041752

[Reflux]

harsh

anyway, mr oswold killed president Kennedy, for wat motives I don't know

[Galadhrim]

I don't think Lee Harvey Oswald could have done it alone. I'm not saying he was innocent, nor that it was a huge government conspiracy, just that there must have been more than one person involved...

[Beleg Strongbow]

I'm Australian, so you can tell me to mind my own business, and leave it at that, but I've been studying this for the last 20 years man and boy (yes, even before the movie came out) and I believe that incontravertable evidence proves that Kennedy was assassinated by conspirators. There is also now, substantial proof to show that Oswald did not and could not have been where the Dallas Police placed him....in the window onthe 6th floor of the Texas school book depository or, in fact, in the Oak Ciffe area near the corner of 10th Street & Patton Avenue, where he was supposed to have shot officer J.D. Tippit.
I gues that Luxie and I will agree to disagree...

[Lady Luthien]

Yea that's true I saw it on the news...funny how we just figured that out after all those years...its was even printed in our textbooks that it was Oswald...and it didnt say mb...it said it def was.

[Beleg Strongbow]

it's amazing how the media affects a person's outlook on people's opinions. Sometimes, we have to look beyond what "The people in charge of the news" say to us and do our own search for truth.

[Lady Luthien]

? Do you not also agree...that's what you said in your previous post...

I hate it when people think I'm stupid and jump to conclusions...it really frustrates me.

anyway to my knowledge the news that I get is accurate...I've never heard it proved wrong, and It's not like I can perform an indepth search of Oswald by myself and uncover classified government documents, so its trust the news or become a secret agent. I choose the first alternative bc I have no reason not to be believe what the news says, also I have a life of endless schoolwork and when im not doing that I'd rather hang with my friends than do history research. I wouldnt believe it if 17 magazine said it, but if 13 news says it...who am I to question their accuracy, and why am I supposed to believe otherwise?

[Beleg Strongbow]

No, I do agree with you!

I was just making the statement that people need to not believe everything they read or see in the media... that's what I mean. It's probably because I've been around a little longer than you, that I'm not prepared to just take everything at face value anymore. I think that's why I started down the road of doing my own research on just this sort of stuff.
The other thing is that the Internet has become such a source of information these days, that's it's easier to get your hands on information that it used to be. The othere side of the coin is that the Internet is also full of rubbish as well.
Of course, there are a lot of journo's out there that are always seeking out the truth in their quest for the ultimate story. Many that won't compromise their integrity just to get a sensational story...but anyway, I digress.

I hope that's what you meant anyway....you sorta threw me there a bit because you made it sound like I wasn't agreeing with you

[Catz]

if theres one thing that you learn in a few years on this earth, its that very few things are able to be taken at face value and that the "news" is ALWAYS coloured in some way, either by deliberate spin, or by the simple fact of being filtered thru another persons perceptions
Govts.........ALL govts........ have a LONG history of lying to their people......its a fact of life that history is written by those in power
the news media is in fact one of the most important tools in any govts ability to control its people.....it is the duty of all people who live in a democratic society TO question what the media presents them with.........to not do so is to ignore one of the fundemental rights and duties of a citizen of a democracy
lol sorry to get onto my soapbox here, but the fact is that the media pulls the wool over our eyes (when it does......im not suggesting that it always does) because we let it...........for whatever reason
oh.........and i dunno, but the whole Oswald thing does seem a little convenient ;)
:catz:

[Gil Galad]

personally i dont take anything at face value, and there is no way Oswald was a lone shooter, i dont think he was even involved.

i would imagine it was a conspiracy by the people behind the government with government involvment.

oh and nothing can be proven as fact, well unless you can prove it true for every point in space and time, so watch out when people talk abpout facts

[Gwaihir]

Oh I don't know... :huh:I've learned American history, but all I know is that there is much mystery behind the assassination of this president. I have heard something about the Soviets being involved in it, but I'm not sure of anything.

[Beleg Strongbow]

There's also the theory out now that the whole thing was planned by Onassis because he wanted to get his hands on Jackie. It sounds bizarre, but the experts reckon that they have had word from mafia top-dogs about it...hell! who knows what the devil goes on sometimes!!!

[Gil Galad]

the only thing for sure about that whole affair is that its quite teh mystery.

well JFKs dad had major organised crime conections and ther was word that they were used to get John into the Whote House

[Reflux]

I've seen things, and as far as I'm concerned oswald was a lone shooter.

but of course could be....

If he was hired, an assasin, he'd have done a better job of it.

maybe he was there to take the fall, some poor idiot who thought he was the killer.

meh, I don't know enough about it, only what I've seen.


*edit* Sorry...i'm bored and decided to correct grammar ;) Luxie doesn't mind...do you Luxie? :p

[doleniel]

I say conspiracy, definately. It is alot more interesting than it just being Lee Harvey Oswald.

Really, though, I don't see any possible way that it could have been a lone shooter. There were too many bullet holes to account for, it could not have been just four shots.

[Reflux]

bullets dont just hit something and stop, they go through.

bullet holes are all accounted for :p

[Beleg Strongbow]

I don't know where you get that accountable bullet theory from Luxie :huh:, but anyway...

[Catz]

go thru things yes........bounce?......no
and at least one of those bullet tracks would suggest that if it was one bullet, that it did indeed bounce ;)
:catz:

[Reflux]

I never said there was only one bullet :p

[Fëalossë]

I don't know anything about this. I do know something rather strange though... The American KKK actually had a plot to asassinate Pierre Trudeau. Apparently, they had a problem with his multicultural policies. The RCMP caught them. Well, mounties always get their man. :grin:

But I blame the Soviets. They're the perfect scapegoat, because they don't exist anymore. lol

[Nibinaraniel]

I have been to the building that is now the Kennedy museum!
It was one man and one man alone! So, HA!
I am a Kennedy myself.... *keeps an eye out for anything that could cause a premature death.*

[Beleg Strongbow]

Yes, but just saying it's "one man and one man alone" and going to the Kennedy museum does not a fact make....

[Catz]

piltdown man was in a museum.............and its estimated that up to a fifth of the old master paintings in museums and galleries world wide could be in fact forgeries...........being in a museum proves only one thing................that whoever owns the museum believes whatever it is to be genuine ;)
unless you were there i dont think this will ever really be proven...........even if you were theres no way any one person could have seen the whole situation............and eyewitness testimony is notoriously unreliable
:catz:

[Beleg Strongbow]

Most of the world's great artworks actually hang in people's private residences...and they don't know it.

[Catz]

not mine worst luck ;)
but yeah theyre constantly finding new works........now that testing methods have improved .
very cool imho ;)
tho they still cant replay a moment in history, which is what would be needed to detangle the Kennedy killing
id be inclined to think tho, that all the tangle about it, kind of says that there must be SOMEthing going on
:catz:

[Nibinaraniel]

ok, well what does that have to do with video recordings and testimonies? Um, so maybe there was more than one person planning the attack, but only one person could have shot the bullet from the angle it hit at. Ballistics, people. It came from one gun. The markings on the bullet matched one gun. Oh, and I'm studying forensics, so that's how I know that. Sorry, I ramble a lot.... Anything factual presented to argue ballistics may sway my opinion, but yeah..... I love the word ASSASSIN. It says *** twice. (SORRY, I'M AMUSED EASILY)

[Beleg Strongbow]

what do you mean by: "what does that have to do with video recordings and testimonies?"

Here's the thing. You're right, one bullet killed him...the one that blew half his head off. The bullet that went through his back and into Govenor Connally's arm did NOT kill him. As for ballistics, if you're referrring to the pristine bullet that turned up on hospital gurney his body was on, it certainly did NOT pass through anything resembling a human body.

Also, Government testing of the rifle proved that the rifle could not be fired twice in less than 2.3 seconds (which did not include time for the aiming of the rifle on the moving target. The Zapruder film shows both Kennedy and Connally reacting to being shot three quarters of a second apart - far too short a time span for separate shots from the Mannlicher-Carcano. Rather than admit to the logical conclusion of a second gunman, the Warren Commission chose to accept the concept of the "magic bullet".

[Nibinaraniel]

Ok........

Yeah, that works......
*is confused again!!!*

[Beleg Strongbow]

What part is confusing you then? I've tried to put it in pretty basic terms.

[Catz]

along with all that Beleg has said theres also the fact that the Kennedy museum will tell you only what they want you to know and arent likely to present the more contoversial findings now are they?
the fact is that its there to preserve the status quo, and present a story in a certain way
there are MANY anomalies in the Kennedy killing.....the "magic" bullet is only one
:catz:

[Gil Galad]

theres is allot of strange (completly unanswerable would be more the word though) stuff that was used to explian the Kennedy shooting, from the bullets being fired too quickly for one gun, the explanation of the bullets bouncing about and going through Kennedy a few times at very strange angles to account for the extra bullet holes, the ignoring of witness reports of atleast 6 gunshots being heard and from different directions, aswell as one of the supposed locations having a puff of smoke arond it in one video that was filmed that day. and then theres the strange findings at the post mortem which was carried out in Washington D.C, the presidents brain had been removed in during the flight from texas.

oh did you know that every american President who was ellected in a year diviisible by20, until George Bush snr, died while still in office(bush survived am assassination attempt)

[Mirkgirl]

Well that's (believed to be) due an indian curse if I remember correct...

[Beleg Strongbow]

No, I didn't know that! An interesting ...umm...coincidence (?)

Is that true Mirky? When was this Indian curse uttered?

[Mithrandir]

Conspiracy, maybe Lee, most likely CIA :mmmm:

[Mirkgirl]

umm well I had to take a look ;)

Tecumseh’s Curse

After the historical battle of Tippecanoe in 1811, legend has it that the Shawnee Indian Chief, Tecumseh, sent General William Henry Harrison, via released prisoners, a message… a prophecy that history justifiably labeled, 'Tecumseh's Curse':


"'Harrison will not win this year to be the Great Chief. But he may win next year. If he does...He will not finish his term. He will die in his office.' 'No president has ever died in office,' declared a visitor. 'But Harrison will die I tell you. And when he dies you will remember my brother Tecumseh's death. You think that I have lost my powers. I who caused the sun to darken and Red Men to give up firewater. But I tell you Harrison will die. And after him, every Great Chief chosen every 20 years thereafter will die. And when each one dies, let everyone remember the death of our people.'"

here's the president list:
Elected in 1840, William Henry Harrison

Died April 6, 1841 of pneumonia.

Vice Ppresident John Tyler


Elected in 1860, Abraham Lincoln

Assassinated April 14, 1865

Succeeded by Vice Ppresident Andrew Johnson


Elected in 1880, James Abram Garfield

Assassinated July 2, 1881

Succeeded by Vice Ppresident Chester Alan Arthur


Elected in 1900, William McKinley

Assassinated September, 6 1901

Succeeded by Vice Ppresident Theodore Roosevelt


Elected in 1920, Warren Gamaliel Harding

Died August 2, 1923 from food poisoning

Succeeded by Vice PpresidentCalvin Coolidge


Elected in 1940, Franklin Delano Roosevelt

Died April 12, 1945, stroke, medical records missing

Succeeded by Vice PpresidentHarry Truman


Elected in 1960, John Fitzgerald Kennedy

Assassinated November 22, 1963

Succeeded by Vice PpresidentLydon Baines Johnson


Elected in 1980, Ronald Wilson Reagan

Assassination attempt on March 30, 1981

Succeeded by George Bush by election.


source: http://wovoca.com/prophecy-shawnee-tecumseh-curses-presidents.htm

[Beleg Strongbow]

eerr...gee. thanks Mirks...

although a simple 'yes' and the date of utterance would have been acceptable! lol

[Catz]

yep thats the story............tho if we are going to believe that it was a indian curse im pretty sure that not only Harrison and certainly not just every 20th prez would be dead in various interesting ways ;) lol
what really fascinates me is the correspondances between Lincoln and Kennedy.....that has to be the freakiest set of coincidences

Kennedy and Lincoln both have 7 letters
Booth shot Lincoln in a theatre and hid in a warehouse
Oswald supposedly shot Kennedy from a warehouse and was caught in a theatre
Lee Harvey Oswald and John Wilkes Booth both have 15 letters
Kennedy s personal secretary was called Lincoln, Lincolns was called Kennedy
and there are many more...........gives me the cold shivers lol
:catz:

[Beleg Strongbow]

still...all just coincidence though.

[Mirkgirl]

yeah... too many coincidences tho... I hope someone up (down/left/right/whereever) there is having fun with all this, otherwise it'll be such a waste :p

Originally posted by Beleg Strongbow
eerr...gee. thanks Mirks...

although a simple 'yes' and the date of utterance would have been acceptable! lol
you're welcome. And I didn't know the year so I went to look at google and this was the first site I found

Originally posted by Catz
[B]yep thats the story............tho if we are going to believe that it was a indian curse im pretty sure that not only Harrison and certainly not just every 20th prez would be dead in various interesting ways ;) lol
Well the curse is supposed to go just for presidents elected in years ending on 0... I guess the indian didn't want to overwork the spirits... every 5th president is good enough :p

[Catz]

define coincidence ;)
coinicidence is just another name for a pattern we dont understand
lol and i agree Mirky............. a lot of trouble went into all of this roflmao
:catz:

[Beleg Strongbow]

coincidence n 1. the chance occurrence of two things at such a time as to seem remarkable, fitting, etc.: my cousin threw up on the very same day that I did!!. Isn't that a coincidence? 2. a coinciding; an occupying the same time or place.


thank you for your attention

[Mirkgirl]

okay.. if we're going to play let's play... define chance :p

plus how many things were labeled "coincidence" before someone said hey wait! and proved there's a pattern

[Catz]

that merely defines the word..........now define the happening
(dare i mention God here??? ;) lol )
:catz:

[Beleg Strongbow]

well...it's a noun. and it means opportunity or the possibility of an occurrance or event don't it?

[Catz]

lol in other words he cant be bothered looking it up in the dictionalry and copying out the def ;) lol
:catz:

[Beleg Strongbow]

and the game is...how many times can we edit our last posts...

[Catz]

lol LOTS!!!!!............why do you ask??? ;)
hey gimme a break here......i AM working too you know ;) lol
:catz:

[Mirkgirl]

The problem will be when we start editing your last posts ;)

[Beleg Strongbow]

oh...I see!! Trying to pull rank here are we?? Well, we'll just see about that!!

**...leaves...**

[Catz]

that is it in a nutshell mirky ;)
lol just SOOO touchy these elves ;)
:catz:

[Mirkgirl]

Yeah... plus it's not like his posts can't use some betterment ;)

[Beleg Strongbow]

**...takes the bait and pokes Mirky with a large herring...**

There's nothing wrong with my posts thank you so very much!!!

**...leaves...**

[Mirkgirl]

heheehee
*whistles and Gollum comes to bite on the herring together with some of Beleg's fingers*

Oh.. don't understand me bad hon... they're not too bad... they just can be better... we're just trying to help ya know

[Catz]

a HERRING???
you just have to be different dontcha?
*carefully pokes the herring, holding her nose*............its a bit old isnt it??
anyway arent you supposed to use the herring to cut down the largest tree in the forest??
:catz:

[Beleg Strongbow]

I am not brave Sir Robin....

I refuse to sully this perfectly good thread with any more or my crazed interventions until I have something sensible to say about the JFK thingy...plus....I'm tired and going to bed!

[Catz]

lol you must be tired ;)
the didnt ask sir Robin sweety...........they asked Arthur to cut down the tree
Brave Sir Robin was "not the least afraid to be killed in nasty ways"...................im SURE i dont have to go into details ;) lol
sweet dreams babe ;)
:catz:

[Gil Galad]

anyway............................................ (very funny chat people, i salute u)

Kennedy was shot in a Ford car, and Lincoln was shot in Fords Theatre,
nobody was ever tryed for either of there murders(chief suspects killed before the case came to trial)sure not unusual but for a presidential assassination????
look at who they were suceeded by........Johnson...
there are more

oh and in recent Physics theory, coincidence is defined as being a patern which we havent noticed yet, and you can not say that the every 5th president dying in office is a coincidence, as there is a patern it only started after the "curse"was laid. to many joining strings for them to have fallen there

[Catz]

:blush:.shhh dont tell Ilu ;)..............mmmm moving right along ;)lol
yeah i feel you have to wonder when SO many co called coincidences are all in the one place dont you?
:catz:

[Gil Galad]

and the fact that theres a patern in it aswell makes me very suspicious, perhaps all the deaths were orchestrated by some secret Native American group..............