OOC: the war for middle-earth

[Eomund]

maybe then Wormtongy would take over Isengard!!!! lol

[Dawnnamira Nerwen]

Or Jheryn could do it...in an act of revenge for something that's going to happen between Jheryn and Dawn...

[Eomund]

And be bad????evil???against FPoME

[Glorfindel]

Eh?!... Could you repeat yourself please...

[Eomund]

And Jheryn would be bad??? Evil??? against Free People of the Middle Earth???

[Glorfindel]

I think Dawn means that Jheryn kills Saruman... and that's not really a bad thing for the good guys, is it?!

And I would really appreciate if you'd learn to talk in sentences, instead of just words.

[Eomund]

i can but i dont want....

[Glorfindel]

That's obvious... perhaps you could think about what the others want, hm?

[Rawien Startraveler]

Hey! Could Rawien interact with someone? I mean, I'm a little bit lost.. ;o)

[Eomund]

And you are one of the others

[Dawnnamira Nerwen]

He speaks for a lot of us Eomund...But, let's drop that subject, okay?

What I meant is, Jheryn kills Saruman and remains good...

[Eomund]

that is also possible, but does he do it with an army or with his escort. And does Isengard defend itself.

[Legolas of Mirkwood]

We'll have to see how the rpg developes before we decide who kills saruman, maybe he'll slip on his robes and plumet to his death lol.

Rawien yeah someone should take you to the healers, Legolas is busy with his sis at the moment so maybe somone else can.

[Saruman]

If we can't decide who kills him in time, then... well, don't worry, it'll be on the DVD. lol
Rawien, perhaps Gimli, being Legolas' friend, could escort her to the healers. Or would you rather an Elf did it?

[Eomund]

there were some Healers somewhere...

[Legolas of Mirkwood]

They are all around running about, many dropping like flies.

[Nibinaraniel]

Leggi, what should happen to Nib?? I mean in the near future.

[Legolas of Mirkwood]

well she just conked out didn't she so Leggy is trying to wake her up.

[Nibinaraniel]

true, but can you post that?

[Rawien Startraveler]

It could actually be quite cool if Gimli found her.. I mean, he would know about Legolas' feelings for her. Rawien's pretty harmless at the moment, and I need someone to post before me. Or could you, Saruman, be Gimli for a little while?

[Saruman]

Just before I post, what is it that has hit Rawien? Is it something external, that Gimli would notice?

[Rawien Startraveler]

I was thinking that it could be something that Alvarel did to her when he abused her.. I don't know.. something weird at least.. lol

[Glorfindel]

The Uruks and wargs from Isengard will reach Edoras soon. I'll post the fight between them and the goodies :)

[Legolas of Mirkwood]

I made the army do a cool thing that the Romans used to do, go and read and find out.

yahoo wargs!!

We have forgotten the ents so I posted somthing about them heading towards Orthanc, like in the Film.

[Saruman]

But in the film Isengard was completely emptied and defenseless when the Ents attacked it. In this it's teeming with more Orcs than Edoras and Helm's Deep put together. Are you sure you should send the Ents to be slaughtered?

[Legolas of Mirkwood]

yeah but remember in this Rpg the war for Middle earth is set to the Extreme so whereas in the movie the Ents were in their hundreds in this Rpg they're in their thousands.

[Saruman]

That's why I'm worried. If the Ents destroy Isengard, virtually all my characters will be thrown out of the picture. It seems selfish, but.. do you mind if Isengard wasn't defeated just yet? lol

[Legolas of Mirkwood]

Saruman could flee.

Isenguard will be defeated sooner or later, it will be unrealistic to get rohan back and kill the army without attacking isenguard, they would be a pretty stupid army if they ignore it.

[Saruman]

I was under the impression that Isengard was now almost as big a threat as Mordor, and that the plan was to reclaim Rohan, and weaken Isengard, but not actually defeat it. Also, the plot line with Saruman mingles too much with other characters' storylines - Dawn's and Jheryn's in particular - for Isengard to be destroyed. Is there any way for Isengard simply to be weakened rather than destroyed at this point?

[Legolas of Mirkwood]

well if it isn't going to be destroyed then we need to come up with a good enough reason why.

The plan was to re-take isenguard and then to move onto Gondor, but if Isengueard is to remain powerful then this won't be able to happen.

[Saruman]

I didn't know that that was the plan, but I see your point.
Perhaps they think that he is as good as beaten, but carelessly leave him to recover, and unleash this 'evil' that he has warned Glorfindel not to investigate? I really don't like the idea of Isengard being completely defeated before the battle at Mordor. It is too much like the books (not a bad thing, but we were trying to venture away from the books' storyline in such respects).

[Legolas of Mirkwood]

I see your point too, but Gandalf and the others would not make a mistake their first port of call would be Isenguard, Perhaps saruman could move to Minas Tirith leaving Orthanc abandenned.

[Saruman]

Minas Tirith is in possession of Mordor, and, although Minas Morgul is in possession of Saruman, his main base is still Isengard, because of the importance of the Misty Mountains in his plans.
I don't think the Ents would be that numerous; I could be wrong, but I think that, in the book, the only Ents in existence were in Fangorn, and all the Ents in Fangorn went to Isengard, so there can't be any more. They wouldn't be able to destroy Isengard on their own.
I think we had also decided that, although the Free Peoples were strong enough to reclaim Edoras and Helm's Deep, they would not be able to reclaim Isengard without a lot of help from the Haradrim. Do you remember that plot I suggested some time ago? The Free peoples were to attack Isengard with the intention of destroying it, but would bnot be strong enough. Some Haradrim had come by chance to Isengard to help the Free Peoples, but only enough to help the Free Peoples and the prisoners escape without being completely destroyed. It would take time for the Haradrim to rally more soldiers, and the Free Peoples could conclude that they would be stronger if they were to rescue the fighters being held prisoner by Sauron in Minas Tirith.
That's all a bit of a mouthful, but it could make it so that Rohan could be reclaimed, but both Isengard and the Free Peoples survive.

[Glorfindel]

I like your idea about the Haradrim, Saruman. I aswell think that it would be better not to defeat Isengard yet. Perhaps only after the final battle in Mordor?.. Then there is time left for Saruman to build up new forces...

[Saruman]

What I was thinking was that Isengard would be recovering while you reclaim Gondor. They could either attack after the Mordor battle, or actually participate in the battle. I was originally thinking of the second idea, but I like your idea, Glorfindel... rather than everything ending with the Ring's destruction, there would still be a challenge for the goodies.
It still doesn't solve the Ents' problem, though... lol As I said, I don't think there would be any more than there are in the book or film, so they couldn't destroy it by themselves. Perhaps a moderator could delete that sentence, and the Ents could save the day in the battle for Edoras, rather than march to their deaths at Isengard?

[Legolas of Mirkwood]

Yeah thats good, I would prefer it if saruman came to saurons aid whilst we fought at Minas Tirith, because I would like the final Battle to be at the Black Gate.

which would be kinda like the book, Saruman and his forces could surprise us at the black gate by marching up behind the Army when they arrive at the black gate, trapping them. This will out number the free peoples, and our only hope for survival would be Frodo destroying the ring, and then we can decide what will happen to saruman.

[Saruman]

Isengard wouldn't come to Mordor's aid because, like in the book, Saruman is trying to defeat Sauron at his own game. What could happen, though, is if Isengard regained strength while you attack Minas Tirith. Mordor could have reclaimed Minas Morgul from Isengard, so that all the lands of Gondor are in Mordor's possession. Saruman's forces wouldn't participate in these battles, as they would be recovering, but could participate in the Final Battle.
I prefer the idea of having the Final Battle on the Gorgoroth Plains of Mordor/Barad Dur, just because there is more space for such big armies, and it would be a new story rather than the one that we know already. But it's up to you.

[Legolas of Mirkwood]

yeah that's good, how will the black gate be opened?

[Saruman]

You could start at the Gate and gradually fight your way through into Mordor.

[Legolas of Mirkwood]

ok that sounds good, now just to make sure everything is clear tell me what is going to happen battle wise at the end.

[Saruman]

Okay, the 'ancient evil' that Saruman is trying to uncover is actually a Dragon, with whom he will ally by use of bribery with treasure stolen from Erebor. That can be changed if you want.
In the last battle, Gandalf could have a showdown with Saruman. Gandalf would bring him to his knees, and Saruman could pitiously beg to be spared, and Gandalf would spare him. This could be the point at which Saruman's staff is broken.

[Legolas of Mirkwood]

right ok, so after Edoras has successufully been reclaimed and the uruks that are there have been slaughtered, what will happen then, offcourse they will spend a day or so in Edoras to recover etc but after that?

[Saruman]

While you're recovering at Edoras Nibinaraniel could have another mind battle with Saruman, and sge would obviously win, and then you would move on to reclaim Helm's Deep, in which you would succeed, then you would move on to Isengard. You would not be able to defeat Isengard, but would be able to escape with your lives, and rescue the prisoners, thanks to some Haradrim, who would be coming at that time. Then Gandalf says that, at the moment, the FP are not strong enough to destroy Isengard themselves, and that, with every moment you linger, Mordor is gaining strength. So you then go off to reclaim Gondor.

[Legolas of Mirkwood]

Right ok, but whilts we're gone Saruman would retake edoras wouldn't he and all the armies work would have been for nothing.

[Saruman]

The elves could bathe the reclaimed lands in light, so that they are protecled by the Valar (or something like that lol).
I'm not sure if Denathor is 'cowardly'. Remember that he was a noble and great fighter in his earlier years. I think he's just depressed, but he probably wouldn't fear death now because he has nothing else to lose. He could die at Minas Tirith; thinking that there is no hope, he could walk into the fray to be hacked to death.

[Glorfindel]

Yes, we could give him a noble death; I thinks he deserves that at least :) How would you be, when you had lost your son and realm? mecry

Perhaps Saruman could let his new forces march through Anfalas? So he attacks Minas Tirith from behind... that would solve the problem of Edoras aswell...
(I mean after Edoras & Minas Tirith will be retaken, and after Saruman has build up new armies)

[Saruman]

Forgive me, where is Anfalas lol? Is it the shore area just below Rohan?

[Eomund]

and below the mountains...

[Glorfindel]

Yes, it's below the White Mountains. If you pass the Gap of Rohan and go south, then there are three areas until you reach Minas Tirith. From the left to the right: Anfalas, Belfalas, Lebennin. :)

EDIT:
Eomund, I just read your last post. We've taken our time to breach the walls and to fight the first part of Edoras. Don't you think it's a bit fast to take Edoras all over in such a short time? And in such a short post?.. Example: I'm going to shorten this RPG: "They fight, they win. Some die." End of RPG... :cool:

[Saruman]

Yes, it does seem a tad brisk. lol
Has Glorfindel rejoined the Free Peoples now, or did he not go with the Wargs?
I like the idea of passing through Anfalas, Belfalas and Lebennin as Glorfindel suggested. But I'd rather that the battles at Gondor were just between the Free Peoples and Mordor (and perhaps Harad, but that is Silvorn's decision). Perhaps Isengard's armies could travel through Anfalas, Belfalas and Lebennin so that they can reach Mordor without running into anyone.

[Rawien Startraveler]

Where's Alvarel btw?

[Glorfindel]

I don't know where Alvarel is... didn't he abandon Saruman or something like that?..

Yes Saruman, that's what I mean: your troops can take that road so they don't bumpt into their enemies. It doesn't need to be when the Free Peoples are fighting in Gondor, but some later time. :)

[Saruman]

I think I'll go with that idea, then, Glorfindel. Thanks. :)
Alvarel is wandering alone, presumably preparing to claim Rawien. I think Legolas mentioned about some sort of small battalion, but I don't know if that idea was persued.

[Rawien Startraveler]

I was thinking of using Alvarel in Rawien "vision", call it what you like. :) He did something to her when he abused her.

[Legolas of Mirkwood]

Sounds good.

Did everyone see, Radaghast was killed in the battle, Seeing as we do not have players to fill in all the major roles we'll be killing a few off as we go, in helms deep we can kill somone else off to, not sure who yet though.

also i am going away this saturday for 2 weeks so don't start the battle of helms deep yet, just fix yourselves up etc etc etc.

also we need to ask people like tirithel and Elfdaughter where they are and what they are doing, I don't think we have heard from Dolenial or eowyn in a long time.

On the alvarel note, don't worry he'll turn up...when you least expect him hehehe.

[Rawien Startraveler]

Hey! Sorry for this double post, but I have to. I don't have so much time anymore to post at the rpg, so I'm going to have Rawien leave the front to go to Rivendell. Legolas will tell Rawien to go back after her incident. I'll come back once in a while to post Rawien's experiences in Rivendell and later at Aragorn's coronation.

[Silvorn]

But I'd rather that the battles at Gondor were just between the Free Peoples and Mordor (and perhaps Harad, but that is Silvorn's decision). Perhaps Isengard's armies could travel through Anfalas, Belfalas and Lebennin so that they can reach Mordor without running into anyone.
Harad will be there :shhh: . When will the retaking of Gondor take place by the way? Not too soon, I hope; Jheryn's army hasn't left Harad yet.

[Saruman]

Don't worry, they're nowhere near that stage yet lol. They have to get Rohan back first.
Is it alright with you if Harad were to come to the rescue of the Free Peoples at Isengard, as I said in that other post? It would not happen for a while - the pauses between the battles can be as long as is needed.

[Legolas of Mirkwood]

There's always lots to do. I want to try and bring more of the characters into the rpg like Denethor and Eomer

[Saruman]

I can play Denathor, if you wish.

[Legolas of Mirkwood]

Well what I meant was that we all try and do bits for them, but then I've tried getting y'all to do that and it's failed miserably. I am ok playing Gandalf and Legolas and Alvarel when he's needed but we need people to do others, thankyou saruman you can be denethor too.

[Silvorn]

Is it alright with you if Harad were to come to the rescue of the Free Peoples at Isengard, as I said in that other post?
Absolutely; I was planning on it. ;)

[Eomund]

who are missing from the characters?

[Legolas of Mirkwood]

Well, eowyn hasn't been mentioned in a long time, neither has wormtongue, characters like Eomer, Faramir, and all the others haven't been mentioned that much, not to mention Aragorn. And they need to be

[Eomund]

i know...well it seems that many are missing...i intend to be the week...

[Nibinaraniel]

And maybe someone should post about Calaglin. (Nib's love interest) He was last heard of in Lothlorien with Galadriel.

[Legolas of Mirkwood]

I thought he turned out to be a spy of Saruman or was that someone else?

[Nibinaraniel]

That was someone else, Leggi! :p Anywho, welcome back, dear brother!

[Legolas of Mirkwood]

Thankyou, dear sister.

[Nibinaraniel]

lol.....
Anyways, who's going to find Nib? I was thinking Gimili can, if you want..

[Legolas of Mirkwood]

I thought Gimli was already with her?

[Nibinaraniel]

She left him. She is wandering alone.

[Legolas of Mirkwood]

How Rude! was Gimli Boring? where is she wondering? maybe she could bump into Lego

[Nibinaraniel]

I just posted on the Rp, so go have whoever you want to find her go ahead and do so. No, Gimili was not boring. He left the tent.

[Legolas of Mirkwood]

Well that was very rude of Gimli!!. Legolas has found her and made her jump.

[Nibinaraniel]

alrighty then

[Legolas of Mirkwood]

Ok I posted. Maybe somthing should happen now, like maybe Saruman could try and get you to do somthing.

[Nibinaraniel]

Yep. After Legolas gets closer or turns away, she will be affected by him. So, go ahead!

[Nibinaraniel]

Sorry for double-posting, but Raiwen must stop Nib from killing her brother. Only Gandalf can help free Nib's mind now.

[Saruman]

When this attempt fails to kill Legolas, maybe Saruman will try to pick Nibinaraniel when she is alone. Then Gandalf could save her again just in time.

[Nibinaraniel]

Yay! Good idea Saru! You truly have the wisdom of a wizard!

[Legolas of Mirkwood]

Good ole Gandalf! sounds good to me.

[Nibinaraniel]

Can you have Leggi respond to my post or will Raiwen do that?

[Legolas of Mirkwood]

I have.

[Nibinaraniel]

Thanks. That was good. A bit short, but good. I'll wait a while before having Saruman come back. That will be while she is alone, so she might slip away and run towards Saruman. Just a thought. While she gets away from the others, Gandalf can search for her and rescue her from saruman right before it's too late.

[Legolas of Mirkwood]

Do you think saruman would try and get Nib to hurt herslef, or do you think Nib would get suicidal just to make it end??

[Nibinaraniel]

I think he would try to get her to turn to his side and use it to get to Leggi. Consider the words he spoke through Nib just now. "The hope of Elven Kind" was a sort of unintentional title placed on him.

[Eomund]

3 pages...
and two weeks...
too much posts

[Dawnnamira Nerwen]

What do you have your post per page setting on?

If it's ten a page, that's only thirty posts...

And that's not that many.

[Legolas of Mirkwood]

Can someone who is Literate play Eomer for a bit because he is going to be important because he is the new king of Edoras

[Eomund]

I dont think it can be me...

[Legolas of Mirkwood]

LOL Aww.

And No It can't be you. lol.

[Eomund]

huh, because i cna't post... solution - it should be you.

[Legolas of Mirkwood]

I'm not the only person who Rps, and I'm sure as hell not going to do everything just because people can't be bothered to help out.

[Eomund]

well, you said i cant do it...

[Dawnnamira Nerwen]

LoM: Be patient...eventually someone will step forward and volunteer.

If someone doesn't, then I will. But, I'm not volunteering now.

[Nibinaraniel]

Nib is going to Isengard to fight Saruman. Would Leggi hear it from another soldier that she has left?

[Legolas of Mirkwood]

I'm sure he would hear of it through the grape vine yes, but others will know too, Legolas is not the only concerned character for Nib.

[Dawnnamira Nerwen]

What are you doing Nib?

If you go to Isengard, you're going to die. That's what makes sense...

Also, Silvorn and I (and Saruman) have a plot planned that you're majorly messing with...So, can you at least tell the rest of us what you have planned for this 'battle'?

Sorry if I seem angry or defensive...I just want to know what you're going to do.

[Nibinaraniel]

She's going to get captured again and will be rescued by Gandalf.

[Eomund]

where she will be captured

[Eomund]

(sorry for a double post)

i had an idea, can Tar-Ecthelion ride to havens and return with about 100 elves to Fields of Pelennor...

[Legolas of Mirkwood]

You do realise that there is no one there and that by the time you return the war would be over.

[Eomund]

okay, then no...

[Legolas of Mirkwood]

Good Answer.

What is it that Tar wants to Show Legolas and gandalf, I wasn't sure when you explaine dit in the rpg, and why does it have to Gandalf and Legolas, wouldn't it make more sense if it was Gandalf an Aragorn as it is they that are leading the attack, I would fill in for Aragorn if you want me too.

[Silvorn]

Sorry folks, I've been on vacation the last little while but am back now. Now lets get down to business; what's going on with Nib and her character... what exactly are you planning Nib? Your character facing Saruman would totally mess up the plot that I, Dawn, and Saruman, set in motion a long time ago.

I don't mean to sound defensive either, I just need to know what, exactly, you're thinking.

[Legolas of Mirkwood]

Yeah I have to agree, saruman would probably just kill Nib, plus gandalf and co. don't have time to be rescuing people.

[Nibinaraniel]

Ok, sorry. Ignore that. Maybe she was just riding off to be alone...

[Legolas of Mirkwood]

Make sure she is carefull then.

[Eomund]

hasnt anyone posted in RPG for about 1,5 weeks

[Legolas of Mirkwood]

people are thinking, you can post.

[Nibinaraniel]

I'm thinking waaay too hard. *watches smoke rise from her skull*

[Eomund]

im thinking also..about where i can be in net and where and what could i post

[Rawien Startraveler]

Sorry guys for my abscense.. I've moved to a place where I don't have internet access.. yet. So the only way to gain access is to visit my parents once in a while. ;o) Today is such a day.

[Legolas of Mirkwood]

Well Legolas is about to Tell Rawien to go home.

[Eomund]

And the army.

[Legolas of Mirkwood]

No he's not going to tell the army to go home.

[Eomund]

but what will the amry do next...

[Legolas of Mirkwood]

head to the next place which has been taken over by the baddies.

[Eomund]

Helms deep????

[Legolas of Mirkwood]

Helms deep????

yeah probably.

[Nibinaraniel]

Um, sorry, I've been deprived? What has happened since sept. 1???

[Eomund]

nothing if you can see...from 20.08 or about that

[Rawien Startraveler]

hmm.. is this rpg completely dead?

[Saruman]

I don't know. Legolas of Mirkwood doesn't seem to be here; has he been to the forum lately?

[Rawien Startraveler]

I don't know either.. I haven't been here lately as well.. But that's going to change. Moving back home!!! :)

[Saruman]

He doesn't seem to have posted that long ago, so maybe if the RPG is made active again he may return.

Maybe to start with Gandalf could tell Nibinaraniel that there will be a time when she will encounter Saruman again, but that time will not be now.

[Rawien Startraveler]

I'll have to do something about Rawien as well.. it's actually me that we're waiting for... ;)

[Eomund]

and actually we all could do anything...get leggy and get some evil guy

[Saruman]

lol I can make an evil post if you want. What do you suggest?
Or could Rawien make a daring post first, to allow others to mingle back into the swing of things?lol

[Rawien Startraveler]

Yeah, I could start.. Legolas and I first planned, in august, to have Rawien leave for the Grey Havens, but I guess that that won't be neccessary now. ;) But you could also make a post saruman, 'cause I honestly don't know what I should write..

[Eomund]

sometihng that you think now...i think that

[Legolas of Mirkwood]

I do check the forum, I've been in the prancing pony but everyone seemed to have stopped playing in thsi rpg, there are alot of members that were in it that I never see anymore.

If you guys can get hold of the other players then yes we should try and restart it.

[Eomund]

hmm, who are here and who are missing...

Legolas,
Eomund,
Saruman,
Rawien


are here...

Missing are,

Dawn
Nibinaraniel
Silvorn

[Legolas of Mirkwood]

There are others aswell

Tirithel used to play Eowyn and Anorwen.
Dolenial was here too
so was Elfdaughter
and Glorfindel

we need to get these guys back too

I mean look at the beggining of this rpg and see how many people used to be in it.

[Eomund]

ED isn't anywhere now but i can get her hopefully,

now somebody played Arwen and yes we need them back.

[Saruman]

I think that Kenzie was playing both Aragorn and Arwen, though I have not seen her lately.
a hord of critters
I must admit that I've never heard of the Orcs being referred to like that. lol Nevertheless a good read.

[Eomund]

what else, and wargs???

you dont know what may come out...

and is it so exciting to read how others quirrel...

what will you do??

[Saruman]

That's true; there could probably be wargs running wild. Most of the warriors who 'consciously' serve Saruman would presumably be regrouping either at the Hornburg or at Isengard. But Tar-Ecthelion could warn that wild creatures will be lurking on the path of the healers. I don't think it would be enough for 100 warriors, though. Perhaps 20 or so yeoman (or is it yoeman?) archers, since they wouldn't be fighting an organised group. But other than wild creatures like that, the path would be mostly clear as everyone would presumably be preparing for battle elsewhere.

[Eomund]

but warg attack, many wargs are running wild, and few others escaped from the Battle of Edoras - those may attack. Hornburg, there are we going, but isengard, you may send some troops out.

[Legolas of Mirkwood]

I think we need to put the point across that most of the people involved in this war are going to die. Legolas is thinking about going forward, remeber they have been cleaning up as they go so realistically there wouldn't be anything behind us as we have cleaned it all up. sot of what they did in Lotr, after the two towers Rohan was clear and then they moved onto Gondor, cleared that up then went to mordor.

[Saruman]

Legolas of Mirkwood, I think your post in the RPG basically sums up what I was trying to say. lol It's better that you don't split up the army, better to focus on fewer storylines.
By the way, where is Gandalf going?

[Rawien Startraveler]

Where's Arwen btw? If I should have Rawien leaving for Rivendell it would be nice to have arwen there...

[Eomund]

hmm, i didn't mean to talk of them, just one day they will go and next week or two weeks come back...

[Legolas of Mirkwood]

Legolas of Mirkwood, I think your post in the RPG basically sums up what I was trying to say. lol It's better that you don't split up the army, better to focus on fewer storylines.
By the way, where is Gandalf going?

Yup

gandalf is going to get the king of the dead with aragorn, i forgot to put that aragorn was going too

things have been set in motion that cannot be undone!

[Eomund]

how, wasn't their thing already done...?

[Saruman]

No, they haven't fulfilled their oath yet; presumably Gandalf and Aragorn are preparing them to help in one of the battles at Gondor? Or to scare a particular ally away?

[Eomund]

maybe retaking of Minas Tirith but from half the battle Aragorn has to let them go...

[Rawien Startraveler]

Rawien's joining the battle just so you know it.. ;)

[Eomund]

hmm, which one

[Rawien Startraveler]

The right one, of course... ;) the one where Legolas is..

[Eomund]

hmm, will you post about it?

[Rawien Startraveler]

why not? Shouldn't I?

[Eomund]

you should, some activity, could you say if we should attack or wait others.

[Legolas of Mirkwood]

gandalf, aragorn and the dudes of the dead will meet us just before Minas Tirith.

Eomund i'd appreciate it if you told us in here if you were going to start the charge at helms deep first that way we could have structured it properply, but nevermind now.

[Saruman]

Is it alright if Aragorn doesn't leave until after the attempt to attack Isengard? I thought of a way for the three hunters and Saruman to meet at that point (not essential, but perhaps a nice scene character-wise). Perhaps Gandalf could call for Aragorn (via some sort of bird), and the rest could set up camp before arriving at Gondor.

[Legolas of Mirkwood]

Hmm not sure that I understand, but if you think it will work, go with it. So where is Aragorn now?

[Eomund]

actually, from my point i just said i led them to the quickest way to the causeway, what means that i didn't go but whatever.

Isn't Aragorn in the camp?

[Saruman]

Aragorn is with the army at the moment. Then after the failed attempt to destroy Isengard, Gandalf can send for Aragorn (he could even send Gwaihir the eagle to take him quickly), and the rest of the army can make for Gondor.

[Eomund]

and he wouldgo where the dead are?? good...

[Legolas of Mirkwood]

What is going to happen at Isengard because I'm really confused, surely if we try to re-take Isengard then we will all be slaughtered? so I don't understand what's going to happen, I mean even if we ignore Isengard and go straight to Mordor we are still going to have Isengard behind us and growing all powerful so I'm really not sure how it's going to work.

[Saruman]

Here is the plot I posted some time ago:
The Free peoples were to attack Isengard with the intention of destroying it, but would bnot be strong enough. Some Haradrim had come by chance to Isengard to help the Free Peoples, but only enough to help the Free Peoples and the prisoners escape without being completely destroyed. It would take time for the Haradrim to rally more soldiers, and the Free Peoples could conclude that they would be stronger if they were to rescue the fighters being held prisoner by Sauron in Minas Tirith.
I would quite like Isengard to be in the final battle (wherever it will be: did we conclude Barad-Dur and the Gorgoroth plains?)
I will send private messages to Dawn, Silvorn, Elfdaughter, Nibinaraniel, Kenzie, Tirithel and Glorfindel to tell them that the RPG has been revived.

[Legolas of Mirkwood]

Ok.

I don't think the army would move on without dealing with isengard otherwise they will walking into a trap enemies in front of them and enemies behind them, I mena it's like the allies in world war two going to poland before they had re-taken france.

[Saruman]

They would if there was no other choice. If there were hundreds of prisoners being held captive in Minas Tirith it might be considered sensible by the wizards.
Also, we decided previously that Saruman would not be able to recapture the fortresses of Rohan, because the Elves leave behind protection (similar to the trees of Galadriel in Lothlorien; no dark creatures can bear it). But Isengard would obviously be weakened. I think we sorted out a rough storyline for that whole thing a good many pages ago... I can't remember it, so I'd better look for it lol.
Another reason could be that Gandalf is the only wizard powerful enough to overthrow Saruman (Tar Ecthelion, a Blue Wizard, is lower than the two). Gandalf could then argue that Sauron, even without a palantir, is in control of Saruman (Saruman still desires the Ring), and thus that defeating Mordor would kill two birds with one stone.

[Legolas of Mirkwood]

ah ok that sounds good.

[Nibinaraniel]

I am back after a long absence. I love you guys so much and have been very deprived. Sorry my RP skills are a bit rusty at this moment, but the thing is that Gandalf and Legolas sent Nib to Rivendell, but she disobeyed them and is hiding in the ranks. Is she going to be discovered? And if so, by whom?

It's great to be back!

[Eomund]

maybe she i'd be discovered by Aragorn when the time is right, or by Legolas.

[Legolas of Mirkwood]

Rawien has also stayed behind, perhaps you and her could stick together kind of like Merry and Eowyn in ROTK.

Legolas will probably see you both together, blow his top, deal with it and then realise there are more important things going on in middle earth.

[Eomund]

that is probably the best option, but for leggy, maybe, he could see them both in danger and then, save them, so Leggy could say war isn't your place.

[Legolas of Mirkwood]

He always ends up saving them, I think he will be extra annoyed with Nib as she is the one that Saruman seems to be focussing on, so Legolas will have a real go at her!!!

[Eomund]

yes, yes, yes, but maybe it is tso that uruks make a sally and they make to archers, (not killing anyone seriously when they pass my forces) and then you can save her..and her.

[Legolas of Mirkwood]

Didn't understand any of that.

Hi saruman can you play this Uruk that legolas has just cut the leg off? Legolas is going to have it taken prisoner and it will talk, leg cut off so it doesn't escape, has no weapons now either, is probably in too much pain.

[Eomund]

i said that maybe uruks come out and attack archers and leggy saves girls

[Saruman]

I'm unsure as to how he will talk; since he's an Uruk-Hai, he would be rather stubborn, even in passing, and probably wouldn't show much pain. Could he be a Goblin instead, as they are weaker and less intelligent? He could be persuaded to talk by the old 'tell me and I will ease your passing' routine. lol

[Nibinaraniel]

Um, I like the idea that Raiwen and Nib will be together. Maybe have her realise that it is Nib in the armor and help her keep the disguise.

[Eomund]

and she helps her-..

[Legolas of Mirkwood]

I'm unsure as to how he will talk; since he's an Uruk-Hai, he would be rather stubborn, even in passing, and probably wouldn't show much pain. Could he be a Goblin instead, as they are weaker and less intelligent? He could be persuaded to talk by the old 'tell me and I will ease your passing' routine. lol

yeah sure, I just cut its leg off so you post a reaction and we will go from there.


Eomund that post about the wall being destroyed was aweful, I'm sorry but Tolkien would be ashamed, it needs to be a hell of a lot longer, and its too rushed, wait until the goblin is gone and then we can destroy and please for heavens sake if you don't know how to word your posts then please ask, and we will all help.

[Nibinaraniel]

Um, who will recognise who first? (In the Nib and Raiwen situation) I don't want to spoil any of Raiwen's fun. I await the decision

[Rawien Startraveler]

It's RAWIEN, not raiwen.. ;) I've been so busy at school at the moment.. plus some girl has been harrazing me.. :( But I told her off.. ;)

[Legolas of Mirkwood]

It's up to you two to decide who gets recognised first.

[Nibinaraniel]

sorry about the misspelling, rawien.... I was typing at hyper-speed again.

[Dawnnamira Nerwen]

okay guys. I'm here.

But I can't do anything unless Silvorn comes back.

[Eomund]

i thought he is here. maybe ill find him.

[Nibinaraniel]

will someone give me an idea to introduce Nib again? Please????? Um yeah... And where the heck is Rawien?

[Eomund]

in war?? actually no idea=?= is even Nib somewhere near Rawien??

[Nibinaraniel]

um.... yeah! Well, I mean the ICness has gone nowhere in a while... Just want it to keep moving...

[Eomund]

the RPG??? wewould need to think of a great plan for that!

[Rawien Startraveler]

sorry guys... I'm really trying to keep up with everything.. just started on my new job.. really hectic..

[Eomund]

dont worry, it seems as others are keeping up with things aswell.

[Elfdaughter]

Ah! OK, what's happened to Maitharne - or is it Lachametar? I can't even remember who I'm playing!!!!! I can't remember where we are! Sorry guys - my life's been really hectic as well...

[Eomund]

you are in way to mordor, and i think it was maitharne.

[Saruman]

I thought it was Lachametar. lol
Anyway, yes, you are on your way to Mordor with Frodo and Sam; the Ring is beginning to attract you.

[Eomund]

Oh, you are here aswell???

We need maybe ED to post, if she could?

[Legolas of Mirkwood]

The Wall at Helms Deep has been breached and Legolas is majorly annoyed at Nib for disobeying his orders.

[Nibinaraniel]

yay! Um, yeah... why am I happy about that? Anyways, I posted the stubborness...

[Rawien Startraveler]

So Rawien's in the healers quaters.. concealed within her robes.. no one knows it's her. Not even Legolas... yet..

[Elfdaughter]

Gotcha! Right, back on track! Thanks!! lol

[Nibinaraniel]

Ok, why does Rawien hide from Nib? Will she reveal herself?

[Rawien Startraveler]

She just has.. ;) remember, Rawien was supposed to leave for Rivendell and later to the Grey Havens. But now she's here and ready for battle.

[Legolas of Mirkwood]

Nib didn't master her warrior skills before Legolas, Legolas is her older brother, and In Tolkiens Middle-Earth, women did not fight.

[Saruman]

True, but the same is true for the Rohirrim, and Eowyn was 'as capable a fighter as any man'.

[Nibinaraniel]

ok.... Well, Nib is a great fighter, but she has rotten luck...

[Legolas of Mirkwood]

Yup the worst! lol

[Nibinaraniel]

lol lol well, the battle will continue without her.... and, when it ends, I'm sure she will face Leggi's wrath.... *eep*

[Legolas of Mirkwood]

You bet your life she will!!!!

[Nibinaraniel]

At least it will be easy to describe.... I'm sure we have all been reprimanded at one point or another....

[Legolas of Mirkwood]

lol

everyone seems to have deserted again.

[Rawien Startraveler]

I'm just waiting for some other to post... ;)

[Nibinaraniel]

As I am, since Nib is unconcious at the moment. I think it was your post Leggi!

[Legolas of Mirkwood]

Not yet, some baddie needs to react to the situation.

[Legolas of Mirkwood]

What was your last post about Saruman I'm confused.

[Saruman]

It was to show what the bigger picture is at the moment. A while ago, when Alvarel was working for Saruman, Isengard managed to take Minas Morgul (with the help of the Haradrim, allied at the time). They also managed to steal the Palantir of Minas Tirith, though Minas Tirith has been abandoned at the moment. So Saruman has two palantri, one of which he has put under the guard of Ugluk. That's how he has been communicating with Saruman.
Using this method of communication, Saruman has commanded Ugluk to return to Isengard to help defend it against the Free Peoples.
So, here's what the order of events could perhaps be for the Isengard battle:

The Free Peoples arrive at Isengard and break through the defenses into the courtyard.
They continue to fight, but as more and more warriors come from the pits below, they weaken.
The Haradrim arrive, perhaps led by Jheryn (if Silvorn has enough time; he seems rather busy), and with Dawn among them, arrive. Being on the side of the Free Peoples at this point, they fight Isengard and give a new hope to the Free Peoples, changing the tide of the battle.
Ugluk arrives with his huge army. The Free Peoples and Haradrim realise that there is no point in fighting any longer against such a big army, and manage to escape the land with their lives, deciding to move on to Gondor.

By the time they are done with that, Mordor will have taken all of Gondor (Minas Ithil/Morgul, Osgilisth, Minas Tirith), leaving it open for you to have a few battles over there.

[Nibinaraniel]

And Then the world will be happy! (for a while...)

[Legolas of Mirkwood]

Is it wise for the Free peoples to allow themselevs to turn their backs on Isengard, it will mean that They will be trpped between Saruman and Sauron, can't Saruman take his army and move to mordor? so when The army arrive at iusengard itmis empty and maybe saruman could have left them a little gift like the fires of isengard that succesfully destroyed the wall at helms deep.

[Saruman]

I'm not sure, because Isengard is the only remaining base of Saruman's operations. I don't think it would be abandoned. But maybe...
The only one of the Istari who can cast Saruman from the order could be Gandalf, who is conveniently absent, so we can use that to say that they cannot destroy Isengard without Gandalf (plus Ugluk's army will kill them all if they stay).
Perhaps Gandalf and Tar-Ecthelion could mistakenly think that Tar-Ecthelion is of a high enough authority to destroy Saruman's staff, and Tar-Ecthelion could face Saruman. Then it could be made clear that Tar-Ecthelion does not have the authority, and the siege can be called off.
I feel that Isengard shouldn't get involved with every battle, as there's plenty that can be done with Mordor and I want to give you a bit of breathing space lol. Then, while battles are taking place in Gondor and Mordor, Isengard can regain some of its strength and perhaps come back at the end; destroying Sauron automatically defeats Saruman.

[Rawien Startraveler]

Okay where can I put Rawien?? ;) we have a pregnant elf in the middle of the war.. he he..

[Legolas of Mirkwood]

I'm not sure, because Isengard is the only remaining base of Saruman's operations. I don't think it would be abandoned. But maybe...
The only one of the Istari who can cast Saruman from the order could be Gandalf, who is conveniently absent, so we can use that to say that they cannot destroy Isengard without Gandalf (plus Ugluk's army will kill them all if they stay).
Perhaps Gandalf and Tar-Ecthelion could mistakenly think that Tar-Ecthelion is of a high enough authority to destroy Saruman's staff, and Tar-Ecthelion could face Saruman. Then it could be made clear that Tar-Ecthelion does not have the authority, and the siege can be called off.
I feel that Isengard shouldn't get involved with every battle, as there's plenty that can be done with Mordor and I want to give you a bit of breathing space lol. Then, while battles are taking place in Gondor and Mordor, Isengard can regain some of its strength and perhaps come back at the end; destroying Sauron automatically defeats Saruman.

What am saying is that The goodies will get stuck with baddies on either side of them, sounds like an obvious trap.

[Saruman]

Good idea :cool: . But could that perhaps happen later on, at the Black Gate, forcing you to fight your way into Mordor, with Sauron in front of you and Saruman behind?

[Elfdaughter]

Guys - WHERE is Lachametar right now??? I need help!!!!!! Plus I have no-one to interact with, which makes it kinda hard....

[Saruman]

Your post seems fine to me.:)
A possible plotline could be that the Black Gate now opens and the Hordes pour out to overrun Gondor (now that the terrirory is deserted). You could either sneak in through the Gate or decide to take Cirith Ungol instead - an encounter with Shelob could be fun. If you want I'll play the baddies in your scenario as well - perhaps Lachemetar could kill a Ringwraith at some point.

[Legolas of Mirkwood]

Sounds good.

I have an idea to make our Saruman situation work. How abouit Saruman pretends that he has been defeated just as in TT accept for the fact that he has in secret thousands of Uruk-hai soldiers waiting for his command, we destroy Souron only to find out that Sauron is now serving a new master...Saruman!!! Who was secretly followjng us all the way into Mordor Trapping us good guys at the black gate, the whole thing had been a trick and Saruman was the brains all along. This will be a good time for alot of charcters to die so if ya got any ideas...then we will need some kind of miricle to save us.

[Saruman]

That's an excellent idea!

We could reverse it. At the Isengard siege, Tar-Ecthelion could confront Saruman, who could then give him a bit of a hammering. Tar Ecthelion could just escape with his life, or die a heroic death (up to Eomund). When Ugluk shows up with the army the goodies could conclude that Saruman is far too powerful, and that Sauron can't possibly be as powerful as Gondor is deserted. The could thus decide to defeat Sauron first as he is the source of Saruman's ambition and, to an extent, power. The battles at Gondor, against Mordor's forces, are very easily won, and as the Free Peoples approach the Black Gate Saruman's forces arrive behind them, forcing them to fight into Mordor. As they enter Mordor they see that there is an imeasurable force waiting for them, and that Sauron's plan has been to control Saruman indirectly, making both armies confident enough to march into Mordor. Then there can be a whole battle at Barad-Dur and the Gorgoroth plain and so on.

I like your idea too, because I like the way the main villain changes, confusing the situation for our heroes. It seems to work for either of the main villains!

[Legolas of Mirkwood]

Realistically thinking you wouldn't let yourself get trapped, Obviously if they see Saruman is too powerfukl they aren't going to ignore him and head to Mordor that would be plain suicide and sheer stupidity, it would be like the Aliies in World War 2 landing in Austria...trapped between the armies.

Realistically you wouldn't do that, seems more realistic if they are tricked into thinking that saruman has been destroyed so that they can move on.

[Saruman]

I see what you mean. So Saruman could stage a defeat, possibly making use of his explosives?

[Nibinaraniel]

Yay! Explosives! Anyways, Leggi, Rawien was already gone.....

[Saruman]

Yes, I see what you mean now. So all the Isengardians could go through tunnels from the caverns of Isengard to the safety of the mountains, and when the staged explosion occurs it could in reality simply be blasting out a new chamber, while Saruman and his troops would all be safe in the mountains. Then after the Free Peoples have left, Ugluk could rrive to find that everything has already been sorted out.

[Legolas of Mirkwood]

Yep, that way we aren't being completly stupid and ignoring the biggets threat in history hoping that it it just might leave us alone lol.

[Nibinaraniel]

lol anyways, yes, Legolas must go to Nib..... Rawien is gone....

[Legolas of Mirkwood]

yeah yeah.

[Nibinaraniel]

And she won't give up just yet, ever!

[Elfdaughter]

Saruman - please do! OK, the gates open, and we sneak in through there!!

[Legolas of Mirkwood]

would you like a few of us to play some of the hobbits for you?

[Nibinaraniel]

I have been away for quite some time, but now I have returned....

[Rawien Startraveler]

I've got broad band so now I'm back!!!

[Legolas of Mirkwood]

is it worth carrying on?

[Nibinaraniel]

Yes!!!! :)

[Legolas of Mirkwood]

We are lacking in players.

[Glorfindel]

It seems this RPG has died some time ago.. Pitty, I really liked it. Is there anyone interested to pick it up again? If we can get enough people, we could reactivate the RPG.

I vote to start it up again ;) Who's with me? :)

[Saruman]

I'm always lurking about if anyone's interested, and I'm sure there are other lurkers who would also be interested. lol
If not, perhaps we could find some new participants.

[Glorfindel]

Well there are several of the old Players who're still here.. You, Elfdaughter and I are the first that cross my mind lol

I've noticed Daniel isn't here anymore, but I could try to get him back here.. I'll talk to him.. Same goes for some other persons :)

That brings us on 2. Hopefully some others will join in. But it's good to hear there's still some interest :)

[Elfdaughter]

Yeah, I'm still lurking! lol!

[Glorfindel]

Great :grin: That makes three.. and I'm trying to contact another Old Player at the moment, so hopefully there will be a fourth participant soon.. :)

[Elfdaughter]

That's all good! I'm back at York now, soI'll keep an eye open on the thread.

[Dawnnamira Nerwen]

I'm still around too...willing to play this thread again if it gets restarted!

[Ladypain]

I was wondering what should my character be doing? :huh:

:blush: Oh wait am I in the right place? Is rpg Battle for ME is for this OOC?

[Saruman]

I think you want this thread (http://www.warofthering.net/forums/vbulletin225/upload/showthread.php?t=9089&page=4). But you can join this one if you want, since we all seem to be poised for ation.:)

[Ladypain]

Thank you Saruman. These two have similar names. That's all right, thank you. Though I like rp, rl bites and I can't join too many.