VoiceofSaruman
January 5th,2004, 02:28 AM
Here is my vision for the hobbit, in my opinion what we need to do is to make it more serious than the books by adding not by removing parts of the story. It should anyway be done in the same spirit as FOTR, it should be a real roadmovie feeling in the movie and the places we are about to see should be very different from FOTR so we still have the WOW factor (like not making mirkwood simular to Lothlorien)
How about beginning with Bilbo (as old) writting his story and taking care os some kind of prologue, something which gives us an even more profound knowledge about the hobbits?
And when the dwarves talk about Smaug conquering the mines and you actually see Smaug slaughtering brave stubborn dwarves who tries to beat him, you see Thorin's father beeing slained and so on. It could make an awesome action scene right from the beginning.
We should get to know Gandalf's real intention to start the little adventure and that is all a part of the war against the new evil which has been awoken in the east...
We could make the story more serious by showing more of Gandalf's adventure while Bilbo is with the swarves and showing the council, where they talk about Sauron (including mr Lee as Saruman obviously). We could also have Gandalf seeing somekind of sign the necromancer is back, I just ain't sure how.
we should of course have “Hugo weavings once again as Elrond and I have my own special ideas about what should be included here. Couldn't we give even more depth about the Numenorians here? Someone tells about elrond's brother choosing a mortal life, having a human father. Then Bilbo sees something numenorian and Elrond tells us a story about the numenorians, how Elrond's brother began the numenorian kingdoom and how it became mighty and powerful, we see many generations go and different kings sitting on the throne one after the other, until we see Al-pharazon was king, how he hated death, the gift gaven to him by the gods and evrything about how Sauron made him wake the anger of the gods and the consequences, the elf-friendly numenorians, Isildur and his father and how they started an opposition against Sauron..... (this would not give anything to the hobbit, but would give more background to LOTR and the numenorians history). Imagine if they could visualize this aswell, that would be awesome (kind of like how they visualised the prologue to LOTR, but with Elrond's voice). This is one of the things I want to add to give the story more depth
The other one is, the dwarves talking to Bilbo while they are walking about the background of the hatred between Elves and Dwarves, the whole story about the necklace and what happened thereafter. This one I don't want visualised, just another thing to give more depth to the story.
The spiders and the eagles should not speak, I don't know how they would do the eagles, but they could have Gandalf speaking about the eagles or something and him somehow communicating with them. The spiders should be mini shelobs, they could make alot of scary moments in the scenes with the spiders, unlike in the book.
Don't change any detail in the scene against Gollum, people will love to see as much as possible of their favorite character.
When we enter the realm of mirkwood, Legolas should be there at the side of his father, of course played by Orlando Bloom.
Mirkwood should be a very scary forest, where you get the feeling of it hiding evil in all corners.
I am concerned about the last war which should have a different spirit than the others, otherwise it will look silly. I look forward to the death scene of Thorin, which should be in the same spirit as Boromir's death and him appologising for his mistakes.
The city of men near the sea, should be amazing to watch and different from Rohan and Gondor, you should feel they have their own very special culture.
Smaug should be the highlight of the movie, he should be the best CGI character ever done, I am sure PJ will have alot of experience from LOTR and King kong when dealing with him. You should get the expression of him beeing very old and wise and his voice most be exactly the right. One of the highlight should be him conquering the mines in the beginning and later destroying the human city. I expect PJ to do the right thing here.
The movie should be 3 hrs and maybe a little more, no extended editions feels like needed.
Any other ideas, or disagreements to my points?
How about beginning with Bilbo (as old) writting his story and taking care os some kind of prologue, something which gives us an even more profound knowledge about the hobbits?
And when the dwarves talk about Smaug conquering the mines and you actually see Smaug slaughtering brave stubborn dwarves who tries to beat him, you see Thorin's father beeing slained and so on. It could make an awesome action scene right from the beginning.
We should get to know Gandalf's real intention to start the little adventure and that is all a part of the war against the new evil which has been awoken in the east...
We could make the story more serious by showing more of Gandalf's adventure while Bilbo is with the swarves and showing the council, where they talk about Sauron (including mr Lee as Saruman obviously). We could also have Gandalf seeing somekind of sign the necromancer is back, I just ain't sure how.
we should of course have “Hugo weavings once again as Elrond and I have my own special ideas about what should be included here. Couldn't we give even more depth about the Numenorians here? Someone tells about elrond's brother choosing a mortal life, having a human father. Then Bilbo sees something numenorian and Elrond tells us a story about the numenorians, how Elrond's brother began the numenorian kingdoom and how it became mighty and powerful, we see many generations go and different kings sitting on the throne one after the other, until we see Al-pharazon was king, how he hated death, the gift gaven to him by the gods and evrything about how Sauron made him wake the anger of the gods and the consequences, the elf-friendly numenorians, Isildur and his father and how they started an opposition against Sauron..... (this would not give anything to the hobbit, but would give more background to LOTR and the numenorians history). Imagine if they could visualize this aswell, that would be awesome (kind of like how they visualised the prologue to LOTR, but with Elrond's voice). This is one of the things I want to add to give the story more depth
The other one is, the dwarves talking to Bilbo while they are walking about the background of the hatred between Elves and Dwarves, the whole story about the necklace and what happened thereafter. This one I don't want visualised, just another thing to give more depth to the story.
The spiders and the eagles should not speak, I don't know how they would do the eagles, but they could have Gandalf speaking about the eagles or something and him somehow communicating with them. The spiders should be mini shelobs, they could make alot of scary moments in the scenes with the spiders, unlike in the book.
Don't change any detail in the scene against Gollum, people will love to see as much as possible of their favorite character.
When we enter the realm of mirkwood, Legolas should be there at the side of his father, of course played by Orlando Bloom.
Mirkwood should be a very scary forest, where you get the feeling of it hiding evil in all corners.
I am concerned about the last war which should have a different spirit than the others, otherwise it will look silly. I look forward to the death scene of Thorin, which should be in the same spirit as Boromir's death and him appologising for his mistakes.
The city of men near the sea, should be amazing to watch and different from Rohan and Gondor, you should feel they have their own very special culture.
Smaug should be the highlight of the movie, he should be the best CGI character ever done, I am sure PJ will have alot of experience from LOTR and King kong when dealing with him. You should get the expression of him beeing very old and wise and his voice most be exactly the right. One of the highlight should be him conquering the mines in the beginning and later destroying the human city. I expect PJ to do the right thing here.
The movie should be 3 hrs and maybe a little more, no extended editions feels like needed.
Any other ideas, or disagreements to my points?