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Periantari Andruil
March 18th,2004, 08:24 AM
Nah..Bilbo didn't come in suddenly ;) lol (though he's welcome at anytime ;) )

Only my long delayed paper in which I neglected to post...
I wrote about Beowulf's and its Influences on Tolkien's Lord of the Rings last semester for my folktale class...

Tolkien loved to read about mythology and tales that talked about his motherland.. Among the ones he was most fascinated with was Beowulf...
Many people have drawn parallels between Tolkien's tales and the great Nordic poem, Beowulf.
Though I must admit that I didn't read Beowulf in its entirety, (Tolkien would think i'm psycho to not have hehe) I did read some of it and it's quite a read...... very challenging indeed.

In my paper I mention a synopsis of Beowulf briefly and then continue on to draw parallels between the two great works...

So here it is... (dont' throw bananas at me) :p ;)

Please free feel to comment upon this though and tell everyone what you think.

Ok..on with the show:
Beowulf and its Influences on JRR Tolkien’s the Lord of the Rings
Understanding why JRR Tolkien was so inspired by Beowulf is the first step to comprehending the various similarities that Lord of the Rings and Beowulf share. Since Tolkien was so inspired by Beowulf, exploring in depth all the similar thematic, and linguistic elements that are present between the two great works, Beowulf and the Lord of the Rings would be a worthwhile endeavor. However, first we must look at who Tolkien was and what life experiences he had that led to his study of ancient languages and literature.

Tolkien (1892-1973) was one of the most well known British writers of the 20th century. His bestsellers, The Hobbit and the Lord of the Rings published in 1937 and the 1950s respectively, captivated a huge audience of readers and have been translated into thousands of languages around the world. The success of his books propelled him into great fame and popularity. Both books were instant bestsellers and set up a new type of science fiction and fantasy genre that emerged onto the market.

A phiLologist and Professor of Anglo-Saxon and English literature at Oxford University, Tolkien was most interested in the origins and history of languages. Before he had Lord of the Rings published in the early 1950s, Tolkien was a prominent scholar in language and literature and gave many lectures on language. To understand how he came to write the Lord of the Rings and the Hobbit, one must understand Tolkien’s interest in language and why it played such an integral role in his life. He had a deep emotional response to Finnish, Welsh, and Gothic because he thought they were interesting and beautiful languages. His childhood in Sarehole in rural England left a deep impression on him and upon his mother’s side. The part of the English countryside that held the strongest emotional attraction to him and as a result so did its language.


A large proportion of the poetry and prose of Anglo-Saxon and early medieval England was written in the dialect that had been spoken by his mother’s ancestors. In other words it was remote, but at the same time intensely personal to him.1

Tolkien’s deepest influence from his mother was that she taught him Latin and French and encouraged him to take an interest in words. He felt that his calling from his mother was in some way related to the study of languages. Therefore, studying the language which is the antecedent of his present language not only helped in establishing a cultural identity for himself, but also gave him a way to connect with his mother, whom he knew for only a short time because of her premature death at age 39.

Tolkien’s keen interest in languages led him to read poems of languages other than the present-day English. Tolkien’s influences for his works were from the oral traditions of the great Nordic poem, Beowulf along with the Finnish Kalavala, a 19th century compilation of poems and ballads, Sir Gawain and the Green Knight, and the Icelandic Edda. His great mythology of Middle-Earth has many elements similar to that of Beowulf, the well-known Nordic poem about the great hero, Beowulf and his quest to slay the evil monster, Grendel.. Beowulf engages in battles against Grendel and his mother and ultimately succeeds in killing both of them. Because of his success, courage and his prowess in fighting, he becomes King of the Geats after Hygelac dies in war against another kingdom. After being king for many years, a new threat approached as Beowulf fights against the dragon to his ultimate death.


… [It] was familiar and recognizable to him as an antecedent of his own language, and at the same time was remote and obscure…. He found that Old English appealed to him, though it did not have the aesthetic charm of Welsh. This was rather a historical appeal, the attraction of studying the ancestor of his own language.3


His interest in the roots of languages and the desire to understand why they were the way they were made him even more interested in deciphering every little feature of the poem. The poem gave him a personal satisfaction by giving him a chance to indulge in the words that were the roots of his cultural identity

He claimed that “Beowulf is among my most valued sources”5 . Tolkien’s passion for Beowulf was quite evident because he gave one of the most influential lectures about it. “Beowulf: The Monsters and the Critics” was a turning point in the literature that was written critically about this poem. He not only analyzed the philological, historical, and folkloric significances of the poem but also the literary merits of it as well.

Beowulf was written sometime between the seventh and the tenth century. The Old English was extremely difficult to read and this poem did not have an identifiable author. Why was Tolkien so fascinated by this poem? In what ways did Beowulf inspire him in his own great works? For one thing, the English poem had themes that related to his own personal struggles in World War I, but the philologist in him was also fascinated by the Old English language that the poem was written in. “To read Beowulf in Anglo Saxon was, Tolkien thought, to return to the mythic roots of English language and culture, the lost inheritance of everyone who would learn to think and speak in English in coming centuries.”6

Beowulf was a work that related him personally to his own life experiences as well. Tolkien faced war while fighting in the Battle of Somme of World War I in 1914 and emerged from it as a changed man. Tolkien is no stranger to battle and war. In his 1936 lecture about Beowulf he mentioned how Beowulf is great was not because of the monsters that uphold the central conflict, but because of how the hero faces the internal struggle, which is what makes Beowulf so special. His fascination with Beowulf also lay in the fact that this Old Norse poem dealt with the struggles between the forces of good and evil, a similarity that his own mythology shared. The Lord of the Rings portrayed an epic struggle between good and evil which is the plot of the story. Does evil succeed at the end? How much sacrifice does the good have to give up in order for them to succeed against evil? These questions can also be answered in his real life as well because of his witness to two major World Wars.

Tolkien admitted that an author could not stay unaffected by his experience. However, he liked to remind his readers that he disliked allegory in any shape or form. He emphasized many times that he did not think that his War of the Ring in Lord of the Rings was in any way connected to World War II. However, World War I and the Industrial Revolution certainly affected him personally in many ways. He lost his two closest college friends because of World War I and lost his childhood home of Sarehole to development and pollution, a direct effect of the Industrial Revolution. These occurrences made him look to folktales, legends and myths in order to find solace and comfort in stories that can take you away from the present-day situations.

…1914 was just as bad as 1939, if you were young then: ‘By 1918 all but one of my close friends were dead.’ And ‘The Scouring of the Shire’, with its felled trees and polluted rivers, reflected a process which went back long before the austerity years of the Labour government of 1945-50, so that the chapter ‘had no allegorical significance or contemporary political reference whatsoever.’ But that did not mean it meant nothing, and nor did the rejection of the World War II/ nuclear weapons allegory mean that The Lord of the Rings had nothing at all to do with Tolkien’s early twentieth-century experience.7

Even though Tolkien denied any allegorical themes in Lord of the Rings, certain themes from Lord of the Rings may be reminiscent of his personal life, not that he meant it be that way, but an author’s experience definitely has an impact on his writing.

Periantari Andruil
March 18th,2004, 08:35 AM
ahhh... you're still here for more?
yes preciousss...there is still more (jeez i'm hyper tonight) hehehee :p

Beowulf preserves the earliest existing version of the dragon/dragon-slayer legend that would flourish in literary history. It especially relates to the dragon slayer tale-type 301 that has been popular all throughout literature. The story connects directly to the legend of Sigurd/Siegfried and his fight with the dragon Fafnir in Beowulf, which was recited by the minstrel in the second part of the poem. The hero is strong in the “John the Bear” stories and has to face several adventures before a reward or an ascent to recognition can be obtained. This has always been a popular storyline and motif evidenced by the immense amount of literature and fairy-tales that have their main character undergo many adventures to defeat certain evils in order to prove their worth at the end.

Beowulf and “The Bear’s Son” also derive from a common source. To further this point, Friedrich Panzer has called attention to the Grendel episode, which has been linked to stories of the modern Marchen. On one hand, the corpus of saga analogs has grown considerably since Panzer’s time, strengthening the view that the Grendel episode is a version of a Scandinavian tradition. Conversely, an ‘Irish origins’ school has developed that finds the folktale origin of Beowulf in a specifically Irish narrative tradition known as ‘The Hand and the Child’.8 However even though the Grendel episode has folktale origins, the “folktale” embraces quite distinctive genres. It shows its roots by paralleling Indo-Iranian dragon-slayer traditions as well.9 This proves that this Nordic poem, which had originated from 1000 AD, has had such profound and widespread influences on the fairytale.

What makes both Lord of the Rings and Beowulf so powerful and appealing is that there are both physical and spiritual conflicts present. In Beowulf, the physically struggle is with the Grendel and his mother in the beginning. The physical fights and Beowulf’s defeat of both monsters require supernatural and heroic courage and willingness to undergo these physically demanding battles. However, when Beowulf ages towards the third part of the poem, it is evident that not only does he have to deal with the threat of the dragon, which is a physical struggle, but also with his own realization of his mortality, which is a spiritual struggle. The poet emphasizes Beowulf's reluctance to meet death, to "give ground like that and go / unwillingly to inhabit another home / in a place beyond"10. This poetic evocation of death is constituting movement from one realm to another—from the earthly realm to the spiritual one which reveals the influence of Christian ideology on the generally pagan Beowulf.

In Lord of the Rings, Frodo Baggins, the hobbit, is burdened with the Enemy’s Ring, and at first Tolkien presents the idea that evil surrounds Frodo and the Fellowship externally in The Fellowship of the Ring. However as we can see in the Two Towers and the Return of the King, the struggle against evil is more internal as Frodo has to deal with the power of the Ring as he gets closer to the place that it was first made.

Because the Fellowship is burdened with the responsibility of bearing the Ring and because its presence attracts evil, the greatest threat to the Fellowship and its mission comes not from without but within. The hero must realize that he can become a monster. 11


Frodo’s internal and external struggle with the Ring is comparable to Beowulf’s struggles in the two stages of his life.

Both Beowulf and The Lord of the Rings represent epic journeys from infancy to death. Tolkien emphasized that time will cause the biggest tragedy and that the real struggle is the one that a person has with himself. Beyond there appears a possibility of eternal victory and the real battle is between the soul and its adversaries.12 In Beowulf, it is one great man who passes from days of glory in slaying both Grendel and his mother and ascending to the throne into defeat and death when the dragon kills Beowulf in the end. In the Lord of the Rings, there is a similar comparison where the Third Age comes to a close with the defeat of Sauron, the passing of the great Rings of Power over the sea and the passing of the Elves into the West, which officially marked the end of the period in which Elves were most dominant in Middle-Earth. According to Tolkien, “Beowulf centers the story in a way to show how man is set against the hostile world, doomed to be defeated with the passage of time.”13

Similarly, in Lord of the Rings, evil had never wholly vanquished from Middle-Earth until the end of the Third Age, which is why the Elven-lord Elrond had foreseen the slow decline in which Elves would ultimately cease to be part of Middle-Earth and the dominion of Men will once again arise over all other speaking creatures of Middle-Earth. Like Beowulf, Lord of the Rings shows an opposition of ends and beginnings in which there is a contrast between the beginning of an age and an end to an age. In Beowulf, in its simplest terms it is a contrasted description between two moments in a great life, rising and setting; an elaboration of the ancient and intensely moving contrast between youth and age, first achievement and final death.14 It is especially interesting to note a cycle present in Beowulf, in which the poem started with the death of the great king, Shield, and thus ends with the death of another king. In both works, there is an undertone of sadness in the endings for both epics; there must be sacrifice in order for there to be peace for the ones who remain.

The importance of showing the monsters as the adversaries show that the story is larger and more significant than its plot of narrating about a king’s fall. “It glimpses the cosmic and moves with the thought of all men concerning the fate of human life and efforts; it stands amid but above the petty wars of princes, and surpasses the dates and limits of historical periods, however important.”15 In other words, the monsters and the ending of time signify the importance of the theme that all good things come to an end as it is consistent with Christian belief that there will be an Armageddon some day. Beyond there appears a possibility of eternal victory, and the real battle is between the soul and its adversaries.16 Through the passage of time, evil will win, but that does not mean the seed of courage is not present; both works contain this theme.

Periantari Andruil
March 18th,2004, 08:40 AM
If you've read up to here, I congratulate you.. you're almost there!! :p :grin: ;)

Tolkien lectured about how important it was to have the theory of courage present in the Northern literature. The theory of courage found in both Beowulf and Lord of the Rings. “One of the most potent elements in that fusion is the Northern courage: the theory of courage, which is the great contribution of early Northern literature”. And it makes sense that he makes all his heroes in Lord of the Rings have the trait of courage in order to face evil. He says that the unyielding will of the central position makes it possible for the characters to join in the war without thinking of it as an action that would help the future. The only reason why the good side does not back down is that they have nothing to lose by fighting this last war or last battle. As a war veteran, Tolkien knew much about the importance of possessing courage during times of distress, danger and uncertainty.

Not only do Lord of the Rings and Beowulf share common themes and plots, but also similar characters as well. Gandalf, the wizard from Lord of the Rings and Hrothgar the king of the Geats, both fulfill roles of being an advisor to the hero. Gandalf can be thought of as the advisor to Frodo before the Quest and during the Quest until his fall in Moria. He is strong and wise in mind, but he does not fight. Hrothgar, the aged ruler of the Danes who accepts Beowulf's help in killing Grendel, remains is a force of stability in the realm and serves also as an advisor to Beowulf especially on how he advises Beowulf on how he can effectively rule in the future. Like King Théoden of Rohan in Lord of the Rings, here is a King in decline who plays an important yet supporting role in the course of events leading up to the great War of the Ring that would mark the end of the Third Age of Middle-Earth.

Like the author of Beowulf, Tolkien did not include any heroes that were outwardly monotheistic in Lord of the Rings. This is found to be very interesting because Tolkien, a devout Catholic, had his religion as an important and integral part of him. Tolkien imagined the author of Beowulf to be a learned Christian who re-created the heroic world and story in an implicitly Christian world by God whose existence is better unknown. Therefore, the display of outward religious themes was omitted in both works.

Even though Tolkien loved and respected the heroic ethos of the old Germanic world, he could not accept the heroic vision of man’s fate or the traditional heroes represented in those literatures.17 His heroes from Lord of the Rings deviate more from the standard archetype of a hero. Frodo Baggins is considered to be a different type of hero than the one that possesses physical hardiness and strength; instead he is a hero that has to partake in a spiritual battle against evil. “Tolkien’s desire for heroes drove him to give the spiritual strand of the story its own heroic metaphor, heroic valor, and violent heroic action,….”18 Similar to Beowulf, there is an example of altruistic self-sacrifice in choosing by free will to go against evil: the monsters and dragon in Beowulf’s case, and the taking of the Ring in the part by Frodo. However, for both Frodo and Beowulf, they are not completely successful in their missions: Beowulf successfully kills the dragon, but dies at the endeavor, leaving his people vulnerable without king; and while Frodo makes it to Mount Doom, at the last second he decides to claim the Ring for his own.

Since Tolkien was so fascinated with the linguistic elements of Beowulf, one must look at the similarities in names, places, and things that the two works share. Tolkien was a story-teller and a scholar, but he was foremost a lover a language; studying Old English and other languages meant a lot to him. Examples of similar words that have been derived from the Old English of Beowulf include, the word Froda whose variation includes Frodi and Frothi, is the great legendary Norse king. The definition of this means “the wise old one”. Other words include mearas, which means warhorses and meduseld, the Golden Hall of Edoras or mead-hall in Old English. The ugly orc from Lord of the Rings is also found in a plural form in Beowulf as orc-neas. Mordor derives from the Old English word “morthor,” which has a bad connotation meaning “murder”. There are many more words that served as influences for Tolkien while he constructed his mythology, and these are only a few examples.

The importance of Beowulf in the past century must not be overlooked. Ever since Tolkien’s Beowulf: The Monsters and the Critics, the epic poem has been read and analyzed at in a new light. Indeed, one can see how Beowulf has influenced Tolkien by seeing how he personally related to it. Beowulf influenced the Lord of the Rings greatly in the themes, words, and plot. One can also catch a glimpse at the reluctant hero that was forced to fight in World War I. “In respect to the Beowulf tale, The Lord of the Rings' hero is basically revisionist, reflecting the author's experience of the bravery of the common soldier in the trench warfare of WWI.”20 Therefore, by examining Beowulf, we can see what was important to Tolkien and how he applied themes and plot lines into his own great work. We can also notice the similarity of his being able to track down the origins of the words is similar to his being able to look at shreds of Old English tales and use different elements of them to start his own mythology.


Tolkien was doing a similar thing by looking at the shreds of Old English tales that survived the Norman invasion, and the much more fully preserved mythology of Scandinavia, and extrapolating from them what England’s mythology might have been in the more distant past. This was the seed from which Middle-earth grew. 19

One of Tolkien’s goals was to write a mythology for England, and we can see that he did indeed write several works that are going to be popular for many years to come. Noting similarities between Beowulf and Lord of the Rings helps in understanding why Lord of the Rings has such popular appeal to the public and how fantasy and fairy-tales still effect our lives.

congrats you're done!!! and i'm surprised how little space that took :p hehe

Now feel free to comment, suggest, or bash me =) (preferably not the third option) :p ;)

And remember... this is my work so please if you want to use some material, please ask first =) :thumbs:

Thanks for reading =)

Mithrandir
April 5th,2004, 12:02 AM
OK I read the first page and is great, there is many stuff I didnt know ;)
like:

Tolkien’s deepest influence from his mother was that she taught him Latin and French and encouraged him to take an interest in words. He felt that his calling from his mother was in some way related to the study of languages. Therefore, studying the language which is the antecedent of his present language not only helped in establishing a cultural identity for himself, but also gave him a way to connect with his mother, whom he knew for only a short time because of her premature death at age 39.

That would prob helped in my res pap too :p but ill keep on reading it tomorrow sorry i have to get to page 200 on the Sil tonight im on 250 still :mmmm:

Awesome job! :grin:

Periantari Andruil
April 5th,2004, 05:28 AM
Thanks for reading, Mithrandir! =)
it's always nice to get comments or feedback from people :grin:

Take your time in reading... it is a long paper that i wrote hehe :p

good luck in the Sil! =) :thumbs:

Radagast
April 5th,2004, 05:48 AM
Hey PA!

It took me a while but I read it all.. I'm impressed, its very informative and well written!!!

A minor question (I know its not really the right place to ask but since it "kinda" involves Beowulf... Im gonna ask anyway), while reading/writing your paper did you ever come across a certain small Anglo-Saxon "poem".. ?
I have been looking everywhere for it and I cant find it.. It was one of the poems that also inspired Tolkien... I can only remember the first part of it..

""Eálá Earendel engla beorhtast.....................................""
(Hail Earendel fairest of all angels)

If you know the last part.. please tell me.... I need it for a presentation.

Periantari Andruil
April 5th,2004, 11:34 PM
oooo i found it :grin:
it's in his biography actually...i think this is what you're talking about:

THis is from a group of Angol-Saxon poems apparently:

"Eala Earendel engla beorhtast / ofer middangeard monnum sended."

and in in English:
Hail Earendel, brightest of angels/ above the middle-earth sent unto men.

hope that helps :thumbs:

and then he used Cynewulf to be further inspiration for his poem: "The Voyage of Earendel the Evening Star"

"Earendel sprang up from the Ocean's cup
In the gloom of the mid-world's rim;
From the door of NIght as a ray of light
Leapt over the twilight brim,
And launching his bark like a silver spark
From the golden-fading sand
Down the sunlit breath of Day's fiery death
He sped from Westerland..."

Doesn't that sound like Silmarillion? ;) According to Humphrey Carpenter's biography on Tolkien, is that this is totally originally done by Tolkien but he was inspired by Cynewulf (those that i quoted above) ...pretty interesting, eh? =) :grin:

btw, and thanks for liking my paper :blush: i did try hard hehe... never knew how i did though since it was a final paper (need to ask) ;) Thanks for reading, Rad! =)

Radagast
April 6th,2004, 01:23 AM
Wow! Yes that is exacly the right poem! Thank you so much.. I was getting desperate.

middangeard (Middle Earth) was the Anglo-Saxon word for a place between this world, and heaven.. (at least I think it was.. :) )

Its always fun to read other "folks" essays, novels, and papers..(especially when they are interesting.. and Tolkien is always interesting ;) )

Again PA, thanks for the rest of the poem! :thumbs:

Periantari Andruil
April 10th,2004, 02:40 AM
no problem Rad! :thumbs: glad i could help ;)
good luck =)

Mithrandir
April 10th,2004, 07:21 PM
Phew...OK i had time and I finished reading it today ;) great paper and theres many info I could of I had used in MY research paper :nono: lol lol

Great job!
PS too bad i didnt have as many replies in my research paper thread :( :mmmm:

One of Tolkien’s goals was to write a mythology for England, and we can see that he did indeed write several works that are going to be popular for many years to come. Noting similarities between Beowulf and Lord of the Rings helps in understanding why Lord of the Rings has such popular appeal to the public and how fantasy and fairy-tales still effect our lives.

Yeah i have that in my paper as well, I actually read that in the Sil correct? (in the letter to his friend Milton Wadman)

Periantari Andruil
April 24th,2004, 05:37 AM
glad you enjoyed it Mithrandir =) :grin:

Sorry didnt' post it before you did your paper, mellon ;)

I'm not sure about the what you mean about the letter to his friend Milton Wadman and the Sil, but i just want to say what fascinated me most about this paper and while researching it was that he tried to go back to his roots and was very influenced by the languages his mother taught him as a backdrop, a background to why he was so motivated to learn more in that realm. He certainly had a natural fascination and love for langauges as shown by his skill in learning so many (and inventing as well) ;) =)

Greenleaf
May 27th,2004, 07:38 AM
Hello! I recently joined the boards and I just finished reading your extremely long, but very well written, paper. I was wondering, however, what are the numbers after each of the quotes in the paper? Are they bibliographical references? If so, can you post them? Many of the quotes seem interesting and I would love to read more into them.

Thank you very much!

Periantari Andruil
May 29th,2004, 04:58 AM
Thank you very much for reading =) i'm glad you think it's well-written. :blush:

Yeah, it would be helpful for others to see where the quotes came from right?

Here's a complete bibliography of my sources:
1 Carpenter, Humphrey. 1977. JRR Tolkien A Biography. New York, New York: Houghton Mifflin. 137
2 Ibid, 42
3 Ibid. pg. 42
5 Carpenter, Humphrey; Tolkien, Christopher. 1981. The Letters of JRR Tolkien. Houghton Mifflin. Boston.
6 Dowling, W.C. “Tolkien & Oxford Christianity” 2000. http://www.rci.rutgers.edu/~wcd/tolkien.htm (12, December 2003)
7 Shippey, Tom. 2000. JRR Tolkien Author of the Century. New York, New York: Houghton Mifflin, 164
8 Stitt, Michael. 1992. Beowulf and the Bear’s Son: Epic Saga, and Fairytale in Northern Germanic Tradition. New York & London: Garland Publishing, Inc, 11
9 Ibid, 205.
10 Heaney, Seamus. 2000. Beowulf. New York & London: W. W. Norton & Company, 117
11 Chance, Jane. 2001. Tolkien’s Art- A Mythology for England. Lexington: University Press of Kentucky, 147
12 Tolkien, JRR. “Beowulf: The Monsters and the Critics”. The Beowulf Reader-A Collection of Critical Essays. Ed. Donald Fry. Englewood Cliffs: Prentice-Hall, Inc. 1968. 8-56
13 Ibid, pg. 36
14 Ibid, 34
15 Ibid, 40
16 Ibid, 27
17 Clark, George. “JRR Tolkien and the True Hero”. JRR Tolkien and His Literary Resonances Views of Middle Earth. Ed. George Clark and Daniel Timmons. Westport & London: Greenwood Press. 2000. 39-51.
18 Ibid, 44
20 Clark, George. “JRR Tolkien and the True Hero”. JRR Tolkien and His Literary Resonances Views of Middle Earth. Ed. George Clark and Daniel Timmons. Westport & London: Greenwood Press. 2000. 39-51.
19 Challis, Erica. “Beowulf, Icelandic Sagas, and the Genesis of Middle-Earth.” The People’s Guide to JRR Tolkien. Ed. Erica Challis. Coldspring Press. Spring Harbor, NY. 2003. 166-174

"Ibid" means same as before...

Happy reading~! =) :thumbs:

Ivyetta
May 30th,2004, 06:23 AM
Oh great paper Peri An! I was wanting to learn some more things about JRR Tolkien, and then I came across your paper, so I read it, :). You did a very good job! It's very informative, and it's not too long, and it kept me very interested, :). Great job Peri An! I'm glad you shared it with us! :grin:.

Periantari Andruil
May 31st,2004, 03:13 PM
Thanks a lot, Ivy! i'm glad you read it and liked it :blush: =)
It's longer in Word, but i'm glad that it held your attention to the end and thanks for the comment =)

Ivyetta
June 3rd,2004, 06:14 AM
Oh of course! :)

I really like the way you showed the relation between Beowulf and The Lord of the Rings throughout the paper, and I never knew things like Tolkien using words and names in the poem and Books that derived from a real language, I just thought he made them up, lol.
I've never read this poem, but now I really want to!
So what did your other classmates think? Did they like it?

Periantari Andruil
June 20th,2004, 09:17 AM
Thanks a lot Ivy!~ =) i'm glad you liked this paper =)
It was very interesting to see where Tolkien's inspiration came from when writing this great work =)

My classmates thought that i was obsessed because in addition to talking for more than 20 minutes about this, i also brought in like 3 LotR magazines to illustrate how popular it has become... my enthusiasm for Tolkien really showed through because of my presentation even though i was nervous.. this presentation was the easiest one i have ever done because of the fact that i loved my topic so much =)
I'm sure that they think i'm the biggest LotR fan on the earth hehe (though they haven't met folks on this thread though :p ... then they better think again ;) =)

Ivyetta
June 21st,2004, 06:07 AM
He he, :).... yes, a lot of people think they've seen it all when it comes to us Tolkien fans.... but there's many more surprises to behold....... :p......

That's good that it was easy for you to present. Those kinds of things can make you sooo nervous! But I bet you could have talked on about it for another 20 minutes! :).

So, I guess this was just a school paper kind of thing, right? Will you not be writing any other stuff on Tolkien?

Periantari Andruil
July 11th,2004, 11:59 PM
So, I guess this was just a school paper kind of thing, right? Will you not be writing any other stuff on Tolkien?

It was a school paper thing but a very enjoyable one at that :p =) :grin: I seem to be more fiction writing relating to LotR but i woudl also like to write about Frodo's character..and an analysis about it sometime in the near future ;) =) ...it'll be especially interesting to read what Tolkien said in his Letters and also read about how other scholars think about Frodo's task and about his character.... =) ;) :frodo:

Ivyetta
July 12th,2004, 05:52 AM
Oh yes, doing a paper on Frodo's character would be very interesting.... there would be an awful lot to consider with that, and a lot of care to be taken when it comes to writing about Frodo's choices in the end..... I would really like to know what kind of things JRR Tolkien says about Frodo in his letters, ;).

Well I hope you do a paper on Frodo! I would really enjoy reading that, :).

Frodo's Love
July 12th,2004, 11:46 AM
Oh yes, doing a paper on Frodo's character would be very interesting.... there would be an awful lot to consider with that, and a lot of care to be taken when it comes to writing about Frodo's choices in the end..... I would really like to know what kind of things JRR Tolkien says about Frodo in his letters, ;). Oh, the letters surely are a fountain of information on JRRT's thoughts about Frodo. I can especially recommend letter #246 ("A reply to a reader's comments on Frodo's failure to surrender the Ring in the Cracks of Doom"). Tolkien gives an amazing insight about the last choices of Frodo and why he could not have resisted the Ring in the end. And there are some interesting takes on his character as well (of course not only in letter #246, which is my personal favourite ;)). :thumbs:

So -- who's gonna write the paper? :whoohoo: :grin: