Lines that state the obvious.

[Maiden of Twilight]

Legolas: "A diversion" Brilliant, legolas. Duhh...
Pippin: "The Eagles, the Eagles are coming!" Yeah, theres one right in front of you...hmm.
Those are lines were I want to scream "yah think?"

[Shieldmaiden]

lol That's true! Apparently the dumb blonde stereotype is effective even in Middle Earth...

Aww...I can't think of any painfully obvious comments at the moment.

[Lidless Eye]

lol roflmao This forest is old, very old. - Legsy lol
Well that one is sort of obvious. I'll try to think of more. :)

[ImDaMom]

"If Sauron had the ring we would know it" Ya think????

[Radagast]

Frodo at the Top of Mount Doom after he destroyed the ring:

It's gone. It's done.

..... well..... since you are telling it Sam.... The Sam that saw you do it..

[ImDaMom]

In Moria, as you hear the approaching screams...Leggy, the original capt. obvious- "Orcs!" No- just a lot of fan girls approaching lol

[Tirithel]

EE TTT: Gimli: "He's twitching cuz he's got my axe imbedded in his nervous system!"

Did anyone else wonder about the 'nervous system' part? I mean, did they know about nervous systems? :huh:

[Saruman]

Evidently dwarves do; they are much more scientifically minded than those namby-pamby elves, I suppose. lol

'Orcs!', 'Goblins!', 'The Eye of the Enemy is moving!' etc. lol

[Shieldmaiden]

lol Namby-pamby! Yep, Leggy is definitely the original Captain Obvious [flourish] Defender of the Already Known! That kills me.

Every time that a Nazgul wheels around overhead: 'Nazgul!!!' What else would that blood-curdling shrieking be?

[TheRingBearer]

Frodo: Shire...Baggns... but.. that will lead them here!

hmm... ya think!

:grin:

[Radagast]

Yeah thats right TRB! And in the follow up scene, right after Frodo says What must I do!.. after he said that and Gandalf starts informing Frodo: Gandalf folds some clothes, or a blanket and hands it to Frodo, then Frodo takes the blanket and messes all the nice folds up... I know' its a little off-topic but look for it... I think its hilarious..

[LegolasGreenleaf]

When I saw that part, I was just like "that is sooo me" cause it is!! That is exactly how I pack! My mom hands me my clothes all folded, and I mess em all up and stuff em in my pack!!

[Evenstar]

strange how they mostly come from Legolas's mouth! Do you think they were written to give Orlando Bloom an easy time? :rolleyes:

[Lady Luthien]

Originally posted by Radagast
Frodo at the Top of Mount Doom after he destroyed the ring:

It's gone. It's done.

..... well..... since you are telling it Sam.... The Sam that saw you do it..
not to be knit-picky, but I actually like that one because it's like Frodo is saying it as a way of showing his relief and perhaps disbelief that he actually accomplished what he set out to do after all that time...he sort of has to tell himself that 'it's over, he did it'...b/c it seemed really unlikely that he would make it in the first place, and he has to tell himself and the audience too, which was most likely in a state of shock then(if they had not read the book beforehand). I guess it's obvious, but necessary and effective, I think. Not really a line that made me wanna go, No ****! lol

[ImDaMom]

And I always thought there was a tinge of regret, in the book and in the film, when Frodo says that. He has lost a part of himself, and not until he returns to the Shire does he fully understand that. Part of the incalculable sadness of the end of the story.

[Lady Galadriel]

not to be knit-picky, but I actually like that one because it's like Frodo is saying it as a way of showing his relief and perhaps disbelief that he actually accomplished what he set out to do after all that time...he sort of has to tell himself that 'it's over, he did it'...b/c it seemed really unlikely that he would make it in the first place, and he has to tell himself and the audience too, which was most likely in a state of shock then(if they had not read the book beforehand). I guess it's obvious, but necessary and effective, I think. Not really a line that made me wanna go, No ****!

Lady Luthien, I totally agree.

And in the follow up scene, right after Frodo says What must I do!.. after he said that and Gandalf starts informing Frodo: Gandalf folds some clothes, or a blanket and hands it to Frodo, then Frodo takes the blanket and messes all the nice folds up...

I cringe everytime I see that because I am a stickler for neatness. But its logical since he is sort of in a frenzy.

[Lidless Eye]

I noticed the blanket thing the first time I saw FotR. lol
The nervous system thing was kinda weird.
I liked when Frodo said, "Its gone, its done." or whatever. It was very relieving. :grin:

[Miriel Baggins]

lol This is a fun thread! I'm glad to hear that other people thought Legolas's "diversion" line was dumb and obvious. That's the ultimate one to me. I busted out laughing the first time we saw RotK at that part, and my friends all looked at me like they wanted to lynch me. So it's nice to find people who share my opinion. :grin:

[ImDaMom]

Here's something I always wondered about- at the end of FOTR, as Sam is wading into the lake after Frodo, Frodo yells "You can't swim". Don't ya think Sam KNOWS he can't swim?? lol

[Miriel Baggins]

lol I never even thought of that!!! How funny! Well, Sam is a little slow sometimes . . . . ;)

I was wondering about something, though. You know when Frodo and Sam first look out on the plain of Gorgoroth (in RotK) and they see all the Orc camps and the Tower and at the top the Eye, and then Frodo says "It's him --- the Eye!" (or whatever). Was that just an oppresively obvious statement, or could Sam not see the Eye? :huh: I always assumed it was the former, but a friend of mine suggested that maybe only the one carrying the Ring could actually see the Eye. Others would only feel a horrible menace, or something. Can anyone clear that up for me?

[Lidless Eye]

I know this isnt obvious but in was cheesy and really funny when the Eye is pointing at Sam and Frodo at Mordor. lol

[Evenstar]

not only is it cheesy its untolkien! the eye was never some sort of giant orange searchlight swivelling round on top of barad-dur! lol

one line that isn't really stating the obvious but still annoys me is in TTTSEEDVD when Wormtongue is describing the ring of Barahir to Saruman, and I always think, you only saw it for a couple of seconds when you spat at him so how come you remember it so well?:hmppf:

[ImDaMom]

But Frodo's feeling that the eye is watching, and can see him, is easily described in a book- how do you show that on film? I'm not fond of the searchlight either, but things like this are some of the most difficult details PJ had to contend with. Another is the whole Eowyn/Dernhelm issue. On paper, it's easy to disguise someone. On film Miranda Otto is too pretty to pretend she's a man, without full facial armor, which the Rohirrim did not wear. So we knew right away that it was Eowyn. I guess we all have to accept the things we don't like to get the other 99% of the film!

[Lidless Eye]

Yeah dont you think that other fellow Riders of Rohan would recongnize her? :grin:

[ImDaMom]

Again, in the book, JRR could get away with "Dernhelm" but in the films, well, not really a workable option!

[SamwiseAtHeart]

in FOTR gollum going "the precious is lost!" after Bilbo was shown getting it.

[Arwen_Evenstar]

"Not the towers! Aim at the trolls!" When Gandalf says it to the Gondor soldiers. I mean, duh! Do you really think that aiming your arrows at the towers were going to do anything?

[Lidless Eye]

Really thats what Gandalf said? I had no idea he said that. I couldnt really understand what he was saying.

[Cuiel Rilwen]

But there were orcs inside the tower, those were the ones Gandalf felt arrows were wasted on!

[Celeir of Lorien]

As Gollum, Frodo and Sam are climbing the secret stair and Frodo slips, Gollum says: "Very far to fall."

Ya think? :)

[Arwen_Evenstar]

As Gollum, Frodo and Sam are climbing the secret stair and Frodo slips, Gollum says: "Very far to fall."

Ya think? :)
Oh yea, i forgot that one, lol. That is exactly what i think too everytime i here that line.

[SamwiseAtHeart]

how about when Sam comes home from the harbor and says "well, I'm Back" Rosie and Elanor could see him and knew that he was back

[Lidless Eye]

That part was funny and obvious but I like that it ended the same way the books did.

[Arwen_Evenstar]

This line wasn't in ROTK, but in TTT when they're at the Dead Marshes and same steps into the marsh, "Whoa! It's a bog! He's led us into a swamp!" I mean, duh, what else does it look like.

[Aravail]

one from ROTK:
Aragorn: Not for ourselves, but we can give Frodo a chance if we keep Sauron's eye fixed upon us -- keep him blind to all else that moves.
Legolas: A diversion.
^^come on Leggy, no DUH!!!! :p

[Periantari Andruil]

how about when Sam comes home from the harbor and says "well, I'm Back" Rosie and Elanor could see him and knew that he was back

that was from the books.. of course PJ had kept that in! that was the whole point in not ending when Frodo goes off into the West and instead end with his voiceover and Sam reuniting with his family :sam: ... one of the the most beautiful scenes of the movie...

and regarding "The Eagles are coming"... that's from the books too =) (so therefore i'm glad PJ included that) :Pippin:

[SamwiseAtHeart]

I agree that it was one of the most beautiful scenes in the movie, and book. Sam going back to his family is a really good ending to a very powerful masterpiece of literature and film, better than anything I could ever make up. :sam:

[Elenwë]

how about when Sam comes home from the harbor and says "well, I'm Back" Rosie and Elanor could see him and knew that he was back

I don't think that's an obvious quote, knowing the context and after reading the books three times I have to say that's one of my favorite scenes of the film. Sam is back, after suffering and everything he made his way home, that's really amazing.

[SamwiseAtHeart]

I don't think that's an obvious quote, knowing the context and after reading the books three times I have to say that's one of my favorite scenes of the film. Sam is back, after suffering and everything he made his way home, that's really amazing.

I agree with that

[ImDaMom]

And I always thought it said something about Sam himself...that despite all that he's been through, physically and emotionally, that he's back to being Samwise Gamgee, with or without his beloved Mr. Frodo.

[Lalaith of Rohan]

My total favorite so far is "A diversion!" That was even more obvious than usual for Leggy...he actually waited for the entire explanation before making his clever little observation :rolleyes:...Good thing we have the elf around to make things clear for us. Honestly, did PJ and Co. have to make him sound like an IDIOT? I mean, OMG. It's unecessary...

[ImDaMom]

Of course, they HAD to give him a line- up until then he really didn't have much to say in ROTK. But "A diversion" ??? I wanted to shout "OMG- is THAT what they're doing?? I never would have suspected" lol

[Elenwë]

lol lol lol That's true!

What about "I need on my side" - "I'm on your side Mr. Frodo" - " I know"... I mean, if you know why do you ask him ti be on your side in the first place!!!!! I don't get that.

[Periantari Andruil]

lol lol lol That's true!

What about "I need on my side" - "I'm on your side Mr. Frodo" - " I know"... I mean, if you know why do you ask him ti be on your side in the first place!!!!! I don't get that.

I actually thought that was quite effective...it just added drama into it...that Frodo hopefully hasn't completely lost it yet to see that Sam is on his side and that he should trust him... us as the audience knows Gollum's scheming ways and what the Ring is doing to Frodo but i guess there's a voice of him still being the Frodo we know....
i like that dialogue though...i thought it to be obvious but in a good way =)
:frodo: :sam: :ring:

[SamwiseAtHeart]

" I need to destroy it Smeagol for both our sakes"

Isn't this line slightly obvious? We have been watching a good 9 to 10 hours of film with Frodo trying to get the ring to Mordor to destroy it.

[Elenwë]

That's true. It bothered me because Smeagol was attacking Frodo and still he explains it in a very sweet way... HE WANTS TO KILL YOU!!!! dUH!!!!!!!!!!

[ImDaMom]

But Frodo is also still trying to 'save' Smeagol, and believes that it's Gollum who's the evil part. I think he's trying to convince himself that Smeagol is still capable of being saved, and he's telling him this as a way to put Gollum down.

[Elenwë]

It doesn't matter, it stills bothers. When I see Sam crying I just want to finish Gollum verymad verymad verymad.

[Elfdaughter]

lol... I know what you mean, but I agree with IDM.

[Elenwë]

Well... I guess you're right lol I'll try to understand it... Darn you Gollum verymad

[Celeir of Lorien]

" I need to destroy it Smeagol for both our sakes"

Isn't this line slightly obvious? We have been watching a good 9 to 10 hours of film with Frodo trying to get the ring to Mordor to destroy it.

Yes, but Smeagol/Gollum doesn't know that Frodo's quest is destroy the ring. (Although why else did he think Frodo wanted to go to Mordor? :huh:

[SamwiseAtHeart]

I think he had some idea, he was going to take the ring once Shelob took care of them BEFORE they had to go to Mordor. Gollum knew that Sauron was after the ring and knew that there was a mountain of fire. I bet that another reason Gollum waited to take the ring was because he didn't want to go into Mordor or let the hobbits go into Mordor because the precious could be destroyed.

[Elfdaughter]

Or taken by Sauron - then he'd never get it back. I think that's more likeyly - at the Black Gates he says - ' But we mustn't let him have it' - talking about Sauron, I think. I assume that he think that the hobbits are taking the ring to Mordor - and that Sauron will take it once they go in.

[Celeir of Lorien]

Samwise, I agree that Gollum planned to take the ring. However, the line that you said was obvious, was that Frodo had to destroy the ring "for both our sakes." What I was referring to was that the line did NOT state the obvious because it was said to Smeagol, who until that time did not know that Frodo intended to destroy the ring. He may have suspected it. He definitely wanted to get the ring back. And he definitely didn't want the Dark Lord to have it. However, until Frodo announced it, Smeagol did not know that Frodo's quest was to destroy the ring. Hence, the line was not obvious. Sorry. I am belaboring a small point. :)

[SamwiseAtHeart]

I think what I mean is that it is obvious to the rest of us but not for Smeagol, for him it is conformation of his suspicions. :ring:

[Elfdaughter]

Ok...I think that line can be taken two different ways - so it cpuld be obvious one way, or not as obvious the other.

I still think the most obvious line is 'A diversion.' Of all the lines.... Couldn't PJ have given Legolas a beter line to say at that point than THAT??

[Elenwë]

Well... that's true, we often forget that since we're the viewers we pretty much know what's going on. I thought that line was obvious, but when you think about it, is not that obvious for Gollum.

I don't like one of Eowyn's line, Theoden says: "I'm happy for you, he's an honorable man" and she goes: "you're both honorable men"... there's absolutely nothing wrong with it, but... I don't know, what does the uncle have to do with her crush, I don't understand... maybe I do, but I don't like it.

[Elfdaughter]

She's just trying to make him feel better after Helm's Deep.... I think....

[Elenwë]

Well maybe... I don't know really.

[ImDaMom]

And I think she's just trying to show Theoden that while her heart may be taken by Aragorn, she still loves Theoden! It's really a typical thing for a young woman to say to her father, for example, when he's commenting on her love!

[Elenwë]

That can be right... it just sounded so cliché to me.

[Elfdaughter]

And I think she's just trying to show Theoden that while her heart may be taken by Aragorn, she still loves Theoden! It's really a typical thing for a young woman to say to her father, for example, when he's commenting on her love!

See, that's what I was trying to say - another case of ED's brain not being able to get the messages down to her arm... lol

[ImDaMom]

Dont you hate when that happens, ED lol I just blame it on the fact that my brain is too old to send messages that far! roflmao

[Elfdaughter]

lol.. I just blame it on the Year Sixes!! lol

[Lidless Eye]

Grrr Gollum angers me at times. verymad I dont think Theodon was helping when he said that to Eowyn because it just urges the relationship more and so she'll just be dumped by him later and it will be sader. Thats just my opinion since I have had a simular experience. Sorry I'm so confusing. :grin:
Man... I cant think of anything obvious right now.

[ImDaMom]

I dont think Theodon was helping when he said that to Eowyn because it just urges the relationship more and so she'll just be dumped by him later and it will be sader.

But did Theoden know about Arwen? Most likely no. He probably thought Eowyn had a chance with Aragorn, and was trying to support her, as a father would. (especially with someone as :flamer: as Aragorn!)

[Miriel Baggins]

roflmao I'd say you're a hopeless case, IDM. ;)

But I agree with you: Theoden really liked Aragorn himself, and hey! he was gonna be king, after all --- who wouldn't want their niece allied to that kind of person? And, no, he had no idea about Arwen, so he didn't realize he was setting Eowyn up for a real heartbreak.

[ImDaMom]

roflmao I'd say you're a hopeless case, IDM. ;)

Talk about lines that state the obvious Miriel....that ranks right up there with "A diversion" lol lol

[ImDaMom]

OK- not in the movie, but an obvious line nonetheless...in a "making of" for "Troy" Orlando says "I've been in a couple big battle movies" Well DUH!!!!

[SamwiseAtHeart]

OK- not in the movie, but an obvious line nonetheless...in a "making of" for "Troy" Orlando says "I've been in a couple big battle movies" Well DUH!!!!

well yeah, we can think of the trilogy Black Hawk Down and POTC... those would most definitely counted as "a couple big battle movies" :ring:

[Lidless Eye]

Haha lol Thats the chessiest cheese that ever cheesed. lol

[Elfdaughter]

*ED shakes her head.* What??? lol roflmao 'the chessiest cheese that ever cheesed'????

[Miriel Baggins]

OK- not in the movie, but an obvious line nonetheless...in a "making of" for "Troy" Orlando says "I've been in a couple big battle movies" Well DUH!!!! roflmao That's hilarious! I seem to find myself always laughing when I'm watching Orli doing an interview. He says those obvious things a lot, and seems to have trouble explaining himself a lot, but he's really sweet, as well. I guess Legolas rubbed off on him a bit. lol

[Elenwë]

Orlando is really cute but I hate guys with beauty peageant phrases... It's annoying, the same 4 words for everything... aaaarrgghhh!!!! lol

[Lidless Eye]

Yeah I dont know where I got that. lol
I know poor Orly got obvious Legolas disease. :o
He be annoying if he wasnt so sweet. :grin:

[ImDaMom]

He unfortunately has fallen into that trap of using "like" every other word. Drives me :batty: Its one thing I've always worked at not letting my kids get away with!

[SamwiseAtHeart]

But we love Orli anyways :legolas:

[Lidless Eye]

Haha I know how you feel IDM. My brother says "like" every other word also. Its really annoying. :rolleyes:
I got a magazine that had Orli on the cover. He looked quite good. :naughty:

[SamwiseAtHeart]

Haha I know how you feel IDM. My brother says "like" every other word also. Its really annoying. :rolleyes:
I got a magazine that had Orli on the cover. He looked quite good. :naughty:

Anything with Orli on it looks good lol

[Miriel Baggins]

Anything with Orli on it looks good lol Very true. I went to some school recently for a friend's band concert, and they had this huge poster of Orli in the library (holding books and looking gorgeous) and it said "Reading . . . ." Apparently a try at inspiring kids (particularly girls) to read. Unfortunately, I personally don't think it'd be very efficient. Most girls prob'ly spend all their time :drool: over him instead of reading. ;)

[Lidless Eye]

I think my cousin has that poster. :grin: Who knows she has a thousand of them. lol
Yeah wouldnt Orli disrtact you from reading. I mean you would have to stare at him all the time. ;)

[SamwiseAtHeart]

An obvious line is "he is here!" Once again aour Leggie states something that all know beforehand. Pippin is fiddleing with the Palantir and the Eye shows up BEFORE he says it. Anyone who has seen the first two of the trilogy knows that The Eye is Sauron the most Evil thing in Middle earth.

[Elenwë]

I don't know about that line, he's informing Aragorn, not us...

[Elfdaughter]

True. I mean - how would Aragorn know that there was danger, if it wasn't for Legolas's line there?

[Lidless Eye]

Thats true Pippin may have not of been saved.
Poor Legolas gets the most obvious lines. :(

[Elfdaughter]

I think that's just putting him into one of the sterotypical roles in a film - there's the comic relief etc, and there's the bloke (or elf...) with the most obvious lines to show the audience what's going on.

[Elenwë]

Although it's pretty silly, obvious lines are needed all the times...

[Ivyetta]

Hey, you guys are like really funny... like, I was like reading this whole thread, and like, oh my God! you guys are like..... like really funny! :grin: :grin: hee hee.

I agree with Elenwe that obvious lines are needed all the time. And I mean, without them, us as an audience might not feel as "involved" with the scenes. And sure, we all know that Frodo wishes that the Ring had never come to him, and that none of that had happened, but if he had never shared that with Gandalf, he, and we as an audience would have never learned of Gandalf's wise words that followed.
Obvious lines just get us more involved with the scenes, I think. And well, at least they're not bad actors... because if the actors and the scene were made poorly, well then it would be hard to take it seriously, :grin:.
But it's a great movie... and we all know that...

Oh, and ImDaMom, what you said about Sam's lines: "...I'm back...",- about how they showed that even after everything he had been through emotionally and physically, he was in a way back to being Samwise Gamgee- I just have to say that I think that is brilliant. I always thought that those words went deeper... and you described it brilliantly, notworthy ... thanks...

[Elenwë]

That's absolutely true, without obvious lines we would feel too much of outsiders.

The 'I'm back' line is one of the greatest for me, it says too much in just two words and that's part of the magic of this movie. Some lines are really short but if we combine them with the images the outcome is really really good. We love it, don't we?

[Ivyetta]

We really do, Elenwe... We really do!! All Hail The Lord of the Rings!!!!! :king:

Yes! That's true! There's so many short lines in this film that are more than they seem..... "... For Frodo..." - "... I know your face..." - "... You bow to no one..." - "... I can carry you..." - "... my precioussss..."... and of course "... Well, I'm back...". See, it's just a matter of finding the truth and meaning behind such obvious lines...

But, I have to ask... and please forgive me for this... but when exactly is it that Legolas says "... A Diversion..."? What part is that? I can't quite remember, :blush:... sorry...

[ImDaMom]

As Aragorn, Gandalf, Gimli, Leggy, and Eomer are discussing what to do next after Pelennor Fields. They're in the throne room, and Aragorn's talking about how they have to draw out Sauron's forces, to give Frodo a chance.

[Celeir of Lorien]

But, I have to ask... and please forgive me for this... but when exactly is it that Legolas says "... A Diversion..."? What part is that? I can't quite remember, :blush:... sorry...

After the Battle of the Pelannor, Aragorn and Gandalf are discussing their next move. Eomer and Legolas are standing together in the background, and Gimli is sitting on the Steward's chair smoking.

Gandalf is lamenting that Sauron is already strengthening his armies and that he has sent Frodo to his death. Aragorn then proposes moving on the Black Gate, to keep Sauron's eye fixed on them and "blind to all else that moves" to give Frodo a chance to destroy the ring. Legolas then offers his single line: "A diversion." Ya think? :grin:

[Mithrandir]

"The Eagles, the Eagles are coming!" Yeah, theres one right in front of you...hmm.

hahahahah lol :nono:

[Elenwë]

Someone pointed that before, it's pretty obvious but since that's my fav escene from the whole movie, I don't find it that obvious :blush:

[Miriel Baggins]

"The Eagles, the Eagles are coming!" Yeah, theres one right in front of you...hmm. lol I never noticed how obvious that one was. I guess because it was in the books, so it just seemed normal. :grin: But, like Elenwe said, I just love that part so much that it really doesn't seem so obvious. . . .

[Elenwë]

Yeap, sometimes is not easy to realize how obvious a line is after somebody point it out, but I love some of them so they're not that obvious to me lol

[Ivyetta]

Thanks ImDaMom and Celeir of Lorien, I know what scene that is! That's when Gimli says "... (something something).. what are we waiting for?!..." Right?!! Yeah, I remember now...

lol But hey, Mithrandir, and everyone, if you were in the middle of a great battle like that, and all hope was failing, wouldn't you scream out "The Eagles are coming!" too? And I mean, when Barad-dur finally falls, wouldn't you feel like screaming out "FRODO!!"? I mean, those lines are the final... breaking of emotions, and last thread of hope revived kind of lines!! Where would we be without them!! The scenes just wouldn't be as emotional without them....

[Miriel Baggins]

That's a really good point, Ivy. I never really thought of that. That's so true. What would the movie be without some of those obvious lines? Of course, I still think that "A diversion" could definitely have been left out. :rolleyes: lol

[Elenwë]

Absolutely, that line is just too much! lol

[SamwiseAtHeart]

That's a really good point, Ivy. I never really thought of that. That's so true. What would the movie be without some of those obvious lines? Of course, I still think that "A diversion" could definitely have been left out. :rolleyes: lol

I dunno, some people didn't quite get that they were thinking about a diversion until Legolas said "a Diversion" (aka me) I was a little slow :p on the uptake that that is what they were planning on doing, Leggie's obviousness got me up to date on what was happening. :legolas:

[Ivyetta]

Exactly! And without those little "inputs", a lot of us wouldn't know what was going on..... I mean let's face it, most of us feel like Pippin at some point or another, lol. And I seem to recall a lot of moments when I would be confused as to what was happening because I was still stuck on what JUST happened! So for most of us, Legolas's line could have actually been needed...... otherwise there they'd be at the Black Gate and we'd be saying, "What? Where are they? What are they doing?" lol.... no.... we're not that silly, :p.
So Legolas is kindof the "informer" for us, I guess... with his "A Diversion!" and "Orcs!" and "There is a foul voice on the air!" lol..... He is so neat! lol...

[Elenwë]

That can be true, those obvious lines provide us a little guidance at some moments. I'd like to say they all do that, but there are some who are just not necessary. There are some that I don't care how obvious they are, they say a lot more and behind them there's a whole history... In the end I don't have problems with that lines as long as they have a deep meaning.

[Miriel Baggins]

Yes, that's exactly it, Elenwë. For some of them (like "The Eagles are coming!") it doesn't matter how obvious they are, they're just so . . . special. :grin: But others (like "A diversion"), I mean, really! Let's show a little respect to the intelligence of the audience, here! :rolleyes:

[Elenwë]

Yeap, a little respect for my intelligence lol

[Lidless Eye]

Yeah a diversion could be left out but then Legolas would only have one line in the whole movie. lol J/k They could of gave Legolas and Eomer more lines. but not stupid obvious ones.

[Bioxilos af Ogre]

The scene in the Fotr, where the ring slips onto Frodos
finger in the prancing pony and a barn-sized flaming-eye
zooming in on him.

- I see you ! ..

That one made me chuckle the first time i saw it :)

[Elenwë]

It did? I felt scare for Frodo and I didn't think it was an obvious, I don't know... I'll have to watch it again lol ;)

[Miriel Baggins]

They could of gave Legolas and Eomer more lines. but not stupid obvious ones. Absolutely! Especially the Eomer part. :p He had, what? three lines in the whole thing? (Maybe a slight exaggeration, but only slight.) Don't they know we want to hear more from him? Especially with a beeyootiful voice like that. lol

Yeah, the "I see you" line! That was definitely an obvious one. I always laugh there, 'cause, not only is it obvious, but it sounds so childish. "I see you!" lol Still creepy, though.

[Elenwë]

It does sound a little childish... like "boo!" but I like it, it's like "man! you put the ring on and now I will find you".. or something like it, I don't know... I like that line :blush:

[Miriel Baggins]

Yeah, you're right, it is creepy, childish or not. :p Especially taken with the rest of what he says. mecry Poor Frodo!!!

[Elfdaughter]

"Killed another one, has she?"

Er... he's right in front of you......lol

[Elenwë]

lol lol lol lol lol lol orcs can be obvious too! lol lol lol

[SamwiseAtHeart]

"what about them? They're fresh!" The one orc in TTT, the Hobbits are alive and are therefore definitely fresh

[Elenwë]

I don't know... orcs are alive too, but I don't think they're fresh... at all lol lol lol ... but yes it's a little obvious, you CAN ACTUALLY SEE they're fresh!

[Lidless Eye]

Yup Orcs can be obvious also. lol I was think if there aver was a LotR spoof the Eye could go behind Frodo and say "BOO" roflmao. But I do think thats it was creepy.

[Elenwë]

that would be hilarious lol lol lol lol lol lol lol
It was creepy indeed, I'll have to admit it.

[Elfdaughter]

Hmm, I think it was creepy - and to non-lotr readers, they'd probably be going 'what the...?' at that point, so it was just clarifying that when Frodo puts the ring on, Sauron can see him.

[Bioxilos af Ogre]

Yeap, thats what all these Lines are for ...
Clarifying the "event" for the people that has not read
the books, they are all needed for people to understand
the whole bits and peices, even the Lines that Legolas
had. ("A Diversion")

For us who had read the books the movie might aswell have
been totally without any dialog. :rolleyes:
But that would have kinda blown abit. lol

[Elfdaughter]

hehehehe!! Yip, that would have taken some of the fun away.....lol

[Elenwë]

lol That makes sense lol

[Aragorn's Hope]

I know I know your probly gonna :trout: me for this but when [ and I like this line alot] Boromir says they have taken the little ones. Um don't you think Aragorn might know that? I can't belieave I'm picking on Boromir so please :trout: Me for Boromir will ya?

[Elenwë]

I don't think it was that obvious, you can :trout: me but I think it was necessary...

[Melian]

Didn't Aragorn appear after the hobbits had already been taken? In that case, he wouldn't know what happened to them. :)
One speech that is obvious, but also one of my favorite speeches of all of the movies is, "It is a strange fate we should suffer so much fear and doubt over so small a thing… Such a little thing." Good stuff!!

[Elfdaughter]

hehe!! It's a good line, that one, actually - the fact that so much evil can be cooped up in such a small item....

[Elenwë]

I love that line, you can see how disturbed is Boromir by the ring. I don't think is that obvious, we all know what he's talking about but still is really cool. And I like it when Aragorn holds his sword in case things get difficult. I really love that part.

[SamwiseAtHeart]

While we are talking about FOTR how about the line "you bring great evil here ringbearer, as is the footsteps of Doom"

[Miriel Baggins]

Yeah, I guess that one was pretty obvious, but hey! Galadriel's been around for, what, three ages of Men. So I think she's got the history and the qualification to make a few obvious lines. ;) I mean, after living that long, you'd run out of things to say. lol

About the one Boromir says when he's holding the Ring: I don't think it was that obvious. He was talking to himself - thinking it through, in a way. And that's the kind of stuff people say when they talk to themselves. Ruminating, or whatever. :p

AH: :trout: Just since you asked us to. :grin: I think the line was pretty obvious, too. Though I love it.

[Elenwë]

I don't like Galadriel's line, not only because it was a little obvious but I don't know, it didn't sound clever to me, I expected more from her lol

[Legolas Greenleaf]

How about "you look terrible?"

[Elfdaughter]

Hmm... I don't think that's really obvious...it's like someone saying 'you look well' - except, obviously, Aragorn doesn't...


Yes, OK, so my posts don't make sense...well, it is midnight!! lol

[Elenwë]

lol that happen really often ED.

That lines isn't just obvious, it's stupid too :p

[ImDaMom]

And while I'm a BIG Pippin fan, his line outside Moria as Gandalf is trying to open the doors "Nothings happening" (in that adorable accent) is a bit obvious!! OF COURSE nothings happening...that's why you're still standing outside!! lol lol lol

[Elenwë]

lol lol lol cute but obvious, good combination lol

[SamwiseAtHeart]

Gandalf says "Bilbo's ring" Frodo knows about the ring and has seen it before, when he picks it up he must have already known that it was his...

[Elfdaughter]

lol that happen really often ED.



*sticks her tongue out* :p

huh! lol

[Elenwë]

lol lol lol

Gandalf's line is obvious indeed, although I love Gandalf, so I don't really care if his lines are obvious :p

[Fëalossë]

Gollum: "Very close to Mordor..." Uh, I had no idea, I thought those towering black mountains were just the Rockies. :rolleyes: lol

[Elenwë]

lol lol lol lol lol... perhaps you're right on that one.

[Miriel Baggins]

Uh, when does Gollum say that, again? Which movie and what part? (Yes, I am feeling stupid today. :blush: )

I don't think Gandalf's line was obvious, though. He was just . . . stating it as a fact. Not saying "Oh guess what, Frodo, that's Bilbo's Ring." Like, if my sister came up to me holding my Mom's wedding ring, I'd say "Mom's wedding ring." Or, probably "What're you doing with Mom's wedding ring?!?!" Same idea. ;) More a statement of observation than information.

"It's talking, Merry. The tree is talking!" No duh. Poor Pip. He may be second in line after the acclaimed Legolas in obvious lines. :grin:

[Elenwë]

A think Gollum says that while going trough the dead marshes, can't remember exactly.

Poor Pippin... he was frightened to death what else he was supposed to say lol lol lol

[Miriel Baggins]

lol Well, frightened or not, it was still pretty painfully obvious. Merry would never have said something so pointless. ;) :merry:

[Fëalossë]

Uh, when does Gollum say that, again? Which movie and what part? (Yes, I am feeling stupid today. :blush: )
At the beginning of RotK. (Don't worry, we all have those days. I think I'm having one of those years, actually. lol)

Hm, Miri, what's your reason for favouring Merry over Pip? :naughty: lol But come to think of it, that was a pretty obvious line. However, nothing beats "A diversion!" roflmao Thanks, Legless. We'll be glad to let you know the next time we need you to clarify something. lol

[Elenwë]

Poor Legolas, he's just trying to translate what other people say lol ... but it is obvious, I won't deny that. lol
Haven't Merry said something pointless? :hu:

[SamwiseAtHeart]

didn't Merry say "that black rider is looking for someone... Frodo" Isn't that a bit obvious to the viewer, we can tell that the nazgul is after them

[Lidless Eye]

You guys are good I cant think of anymore obvious lines except Legolas ones that have already been said. lol

[Miriel Baggins]

Hm, Miri, what's your reason for favouring Merry over Pip? Well, I've always liked Merry better than Pippin. In the book (and I think it came across in the movies, too), Merry was the relatively intelligent one out of the two. :) In 'A Conspiracy Unmasked,' you could just hear him saying: "Elementary, my dear Frodo." lol And he had the sense of humor - he was intentionally funny, whereas Pippin just blundered along into cute mistakes. :p Overall, Merry was the charming, funny one with the magnetic personality. :thumbs:

And then, too, my sister is totally obsessed with Pip, and when you're a twin, you can never pick the same guy. :p lol

didn't Merry say "that black rider is looking for someone... Frodo" Isn't that a bit obvious to the viewer, we can tell that the nazgul is after them No, it wasn't obvious, because it wasn't for the audience's benifit (like Leggy's obvious lines). He'd never seen one of those things before, and he certainly wasn't aware of the fact that they were actually looking for Frodo. I'm sure that the first time I meet a rider in all black that screams like a . . . I-don't-know-what, and that went around sniffing something --- the first time I had an experience like Merry's, I'd come to the conclusion that it was sinister and looking for something. I would also note that Frodo seemed to know a bit more about the situation than I did, and so I'd say: "That Black Rider was looking for something . . . or someone. Frodo?" So, you see, Merry doesn't say stupid obvious things. :grin:

[Aragorn's Hope]

We sure are picking on our favorite guys alot aren't we?! :) That's alright... By the way you guys make me laugh. I love Legolas' part about the Lembas bread. It makes my day when Legolas and the rest of 'em smile. I also agree that Boromir was talking to himself about the ring....Just a question [ yeah I know duh!} But how come the ring singled Boromir out? I'm sure it could've done the same to the others so why Boromir? :(

[SamwiseAtHeart]

First I think is that Boromir is a man which are weak towards the evil of the ring, I think Aragorn was tempted but he resisted it. Boromir was weak in the mind unlike what his father thought he was. This makes Boromir the easiest target for the ring to get back to its master. :ring:

[ImDaMom]

OK- noticed another Captain Obvious line today....Aragorn returns from the "dead", he's fallen off a cliff, floated down a river, battled a warg, nuzzeled by a horse. Leggy looks at him and...."You look terrible". Really??????? YA THINK???????? lol lol

[Elenwë]

lol lol lol poor Leggy... he got most of the obvious lines, what a shame lol

[Lidless Eye]

lol I was watching TT and I picked out a Pippin one. "The trees are moving." roflmao That one always cracks me up. Maybe its also the look on his face.

[Elenwë]

lol lol lol roflmao poor thing, it scared the hell out of him.

[Lidless Eye]

lol Yeah it did!!! roflmao

[Erebwen Cristaer]

I don't know if this one's been mentioned yet. In the EE: TTT, Gandalf and Aragorn are talking.
Gandalf: "Do not regret your decision to leave. This task Frodo must finish alone."
Aragorn: "He's not alone. Sam went with him."
Gandalf: "Did he? Did he indeed?"

Ok, so Gandalf knew what happened to Merry and Pippin already. He knew what happened to Frodo. Aragorn, Legolas, and Gimli are standing right in front of him. And he didn't seem to care what happened to Boromir. Shouldn't he have known that Sam went with Frodo, considering that it was Gandalf, after all, who told Sam in FotR not to leave Frodo!?!?!? That seems obvious to me...

Another one from RotK. Gandalf again, in Minus Tirith. "The Ring has passed beyond my sight." Or something like that. Shouldn't this have already been obvious since at the beginning of the movie Aragorn has to reassure him that Frodo was still alive and moving towards Mordor with the Ring?

[ImDaMom]

But even JRR made Gandalf surprised that Sam went with Frodo ("Did he? That's news, although not a surprise" )
As for passing from G's sight,I just assumed it was because of the power in Mordor that was even greater than G's. As Frodo got closer and closer, (from the Morgul Vale onward) it may have been harder and harder for G to "see" Frodo.

[Aragorn's Hope]

I like what Boromir says about the ring when they're on the mountain. Frodo looks ready to pee in his pants when he notices the ring is missing!!! :grin:

[Elenwë]

lol lol lol lol lol lol that's funny

I liked Boromir's line, it was quite meaningful.

[Aragorn's Hope]

I agree. I really like The eagles are coming line.

[Telumehtar]

Yeah...that was funny. Pippin does have a lot of obvious lines, doesn't he?!

Like his line in TT: "It's talking, Merry--the tree is talking!" It made me laugh, but honestly!!
~Telu :flamer:

[Lady Luthien]

Ok, it was obvious, but first of all Pippin isn't supposed to be one of the sharpest, so it fit his character. And second of all...it was funny! Plus he was probably saying that to himself because he was in denial...I mean come on, what would you do if you saw a tree talk? lol

and most of these "stating the obvious" lines are added for dramatic effect. It means more when something happens and then someone important says something about it with emotion...it just makes it more real, more there. Like, after really orc-ish sounding noises, "Orcs!" Well, duh, but it ups the suspense a bit when you hear Legolas shout it. Same with when after hearing the all too familiar screetching noises in TTT Faramir shouts, "Nazgul!" Again, obvious, but when you see the fear in his eyes as he says it...you're even more scared. (Yes I realize these instances were not from RoTK...but I was just using them as examples. I'm sure it also happened in RoTK...but my brain is fried and I really dont feel like digging up any more lol)

[White Lady of Rohan]

I agree. I can't think of any though. :mmmm: There probably are more though.

[SamwiseAtHeart]

"Those black riders are looking for something or someone"

is this one obvious?

[Miriel Baggins]

NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That's not obvious! Merry never says stupid, obvious lines!!! *ahem* (If you've just arrived at this discussion, it might help you to know that I've been spending a bit of my time here trying to prove that Pippin is, indeed, the stupid one of the two, and the only one of the two to have stupid, obvious lines. Once again: *ahem*) ;) You see, Merry there, was doing one of two things: 1. Just trying to get an answer from Frodo. It's a euphamism for: "Dude, that thing was looking for you and you can't lie to me about it anymore, so cough it up: What are we supposed to do?" So, you see, it wasn't obvious at all. :grin:

OR, 2. He genuinely didn't know what was going on and wanted Frodo to tell him. He'd never seen a Black Rider, and so it was a bit of a shock for him. He noticed it was sniffing around, so he said: "It was looking for something, or someone . . . Frodo?" Meaning: "We all saw what it was doing, and I have a hunch it might've been us it was looking for: Frodo?" Same sort of idea. But definitely not an obvious, for-the-benefit-of-the-lower-intelligence-audience line like Leggy's. :) :merry: (Of course that may just be my own heavily biased opinion, but . . . . ;))

[Sweet Angel of Mercy]

Shouldn't he have known that Sam went with Frodo, considering that it was Gandalf, after all, who told Sam in FotR not to leave Frodo!?!?!? That seems obvious to me...
Hey, he's been dead, give him a break ;)
But I agree that Obvious Lines add to the drama. And I just love "It's talking, Merry. The tree is talking."
So, they may seem obvious to us, but you gotta let the characters know these things :grin: , also some people in the audience might not understand exactly what's going on. My mom has seen the movies lots of times, and she STILL asks questions every time that seem like the answers should be obvious.

[NeatNicki]

EE TTT: Gimli: "He's twitching cuz he's got my axe imbedded in his nervous system!"

Did anyone else wonder about the 'nervous system' part? I mean, did they know about nervous systems? :huh:

Yes! That bothered me! He could have just said "brain". Or better yet "head". Since even brain could have been a questionable term. :huh:
Also, everything Legolas says, poor Leggy! is SUPER obvious. A little reworking of his lines, and things could have been much better. :read:

[Miriel Baggins]

Yes, but it's so very entertaining, I don't think I'd have them change it if they could. lol :legolas:

[Mouth Of Sauron]

Nobody has posted in here for a while so heres another obvious line (Well it is to me)

When Frodo has been stabbed by the troll, and he is turned over groans, moves about a bit, and Sam shouts "He's alive!" Well erm... you don't say. lol

[Lady Arwen]

omg that is so true Mouth of Sauron!i always think that when i see that scene!Lol!like yeah we didnt see it, rite??
and did you realise how encouragin Aragorn always is when Frodo is in danger?at Weathertop when Pip asks him if he is goin to die hes like "he' s gonna become a shadow like one of them" , then in Moria "you should be dead!that shot could have killed a wide boar"...THANK YOU!!
anyways, my fav obvious line is A DIVERSION!!!Legolas is just sooooo smart, isnt he??!lol!!

[Mouth Of Sauron]

Yeah, a diversion is funny. I'll try to think of more that havn't been posted in here.

[Lady Arwen]

what about when Galadriel asks Frodo after the mirror thing "are you offerin it spontaneously?" (sorry im tired and i dont remember the rite quote)just after he said If you ask me i will give you the one ring??!that was quite obvious after all!

[Mouth Of Sauron]

I think the quote was " you offer it to me freely"

[Miriel Baggins]

Yes, that's the quote, and it wasn't really a question. If it had been a question, it would've been really painfully obvious. lol I can't really think of any new ones, though.

[Mouth Of Sauron]

Okay having just watched TTT, I have one: When Sam and Frodo and Stinker head into the Dead mrashes, and Sam cries out "It's a Bog". Well nooooo... See all the water and plants around you?

[Lady Arwen]

oh yes that one of the bog is what i always think about when i see it!!!lol!!.
aw thank you both of you for the quote and the explanation!i mean...it sounded weird that Galadriel would say somethin useless...i mean we already have one useless-speaking elf thank you!!

im still thinking about some ohter obvious lines but i cant think of any...let's see...oh "the stars are veiled a sleepless uneasiness" or somethin like this...i find it a beautiful and poetic line but...have u ever looked at htat look on Aragorn's face as Legolas says it??its like Yeah, sure Legolas!as you want!

[Lady Arwen]

i hope it hasnt been said before (or id be the one stating the obvious now and Legolas would have all the rights to pfbbt at me!lol!),...but what about Treebeard saying "...an Entmoot" and Merry asking what that is and so Treebeard says A gathering and again Merry (or isit Pip?)asks A gathering of what??i mean..ENTMOOT=ENT+MOOT!!!!is it THAT difficult???

[Eyes of Legolas]

At Healms Deep, right before the battle, the "They are fightened, I can see it in their eyes." line. Ya thibk?

[Lady Arwen]

yes that one really DOES state the obvious!lol!!and also the Most have seen too many winters or too few...like we didnt notice that!But still its good they put those lines...

[Lady Arwen]

im still shocked but i discovered that even Aragorn says a line that states the obvious....well when they are on Caradhras and the mountain begins to fall down Aragorn shouts "he is tryin to bring down the mountain"...Yeah??you really think so??!

[Mouth Of Sauron]

Yeah that always gets me. "We must turn back" well you can stay there if you want to be buried alive!

[Lady Arwen]

how about "the horn of Gondor" and Aragorn "BOROMIR"...Really??how many ohter Gondorians were there??!gosh...i cant believe im sayin these things of Aragorn....lol!

[Mouth Of Sauron]

Yeah that's pretty obvious. And when Aragorn finishes the fight with Lurtz, does he say "oh no" when he sees Boromir? If he does well that is pretty obviuos, because Boromid does have three arows sticking out of him!

[Lady Arwen]

im afraid he does say something like that and goosh....i just remembered of somthing else...while he tries to take out the arrows from Boromir, Boromir says "leave it, its over"....REALLY???maybe he was just tryin to take em off cos well it wouldnt be nice to be buried with 3 arrows comin out of yer chest, dont you think??! :rolleyes:

[Lady Arwen]

just remembered another one....end of FOTR, Legolas pulling the boat in the river sayin "they are tryin to reach the eastern shore" and after seein Aragorn not intentioned to go on the boat "you dont mean to follow them"....Really???!wow you'r smart!!

[Mouth Of Sauron]

How come Legolas gets all the really dumb lines?

[Lady Arwen]

*scractches head*...maybe cos his main function is not that to speak but to shoot arrows so they didnt bother to make him look also smart!Lol!

[Mouth Of Sauron]

I thought of one! In TTT EE, Gimli says, "Are we to leave those poor hobbits here in this horrid, dark, dank tree-infested-?" Tree-infested? Ermm - you're in a forest?

[Treebeard]

How come Legolas gets all the really dumb lines?


How about this one from Aragorn in the EE Rotk:

Pirate - You and whose army?
Aragorn - This Army

[Vision of the Ring]

geez.. some of you guys make it sound like you never say the obvious. i'm sure everyone have said things like, "it's a beautiful day today" or "it's raining, you'll need an umbrella" or "it's snowing outside so be careful" or "liv tyler is pretty" or "viggo is handsome" or "legolas gets all the really dumb lines." j/k w/ everyone :p

ok having said that i'd have to add..

"they were outnumbered. none survived." - oh really.. it's not like the orcs took over the city or anything.

"are you going to leave me?" - merry.. pip just found you so why would he leave you?

"the enemy thinks you have the ring" - i know sauron saw pip through the palantir.. but didn't he see Frodo a couple times in FOTR and actually said, "i see you" and "you can't hide"?? i'm guessing all hobbits look alike to sauron.

[Lady Arwen]

How about this one from Aragorn in the EE Rotk:

Pirate - You and whose army?
Aragorn - This Army

well but the corsairs hadnt seen the army yet....*this is my desperate trying to not think that scene might state the obvious since i just love that line!lol*

[Treebeard]

well but the corsairs hadnt seen the army yet....*this is my desperate trying to not think that scene might state the obvious since i just love that line!lol*

Too true, it is a great line :)

[Lady Arwen]

Oh thanks!i just love the way he says it...in such a defying way...great!he really had put aside the Ranger there!

[Mouth Of Sauron]

I love that scene.

In films, never say anything along the lines of "is this it - is this all you can conjure?" or "you and whose army" becuase somethingis going to come back and hit you hard in the face!

[Lady Arwen]

omg all the times Theoden says that Is this it? i want to slap him on the face!when he is about to say it im always like SHUT UP now!!!i mean did he need to say it?!its not htat they were sooo winning anyway...

[ImDaMom]

But Theoden has been warned by Aragorn and Gimli that this is a horrible force, bent on destroying all Rohan, and at that point, all he sees is the normal orc hoarde, the type theyve defeated before! So his "Is that all" is a defying question.

[Lady Arwen]

i dont mean to say that it was stating the obvious just...you know...its typical that when you say Oh wot else could happen worse than this?! THEN immediately the worse is going to happen!!thats clear they had never heard about those Murphy's Laws in middle earth ;)

[Mouth Of Sauron]

i dont mean to say that it was stating the obvious just...you know...its typical that when you say Oh wot else could happen worse than this?! THEN immediately the worse is going to happen!!thats clear they had never heard about those Murphy's Laws in middle earth ;)

lol Couldn't have put it better

[Lady Arwen]

;) lol glad to have read your mind rightly!hehe!!i guess they had Theoden's Laws in ME maybe instead of Murphy's ... just like when in ROTK he says Make safe the city and is all happy and then he turn and...There they are,...teh Mumakils!!poor aul Theoden...he's a great character tho

[Faerchithiel]

I believe Maiden of Twilight dropped off the face of Middle-Earth. She became caught up in other things online. She was my friend. :( But is no longer here, obviously.

I love the commentaries on Extended RotK. Bernard Hill was funny at that part. Hehehheheheehehe at least to my immature self.