House of Healing

[Narsil's weilder]

Do you think this will be cut out of the movie much like in the cartoon? I think it is very important so we understand how Faramir accepts Aragon's rule and Eowyn's relationship between Eomer. :thumbs:

[Galadriel]

I think that it may be cut out only because of time. but then again it is a important part in the movie like you said. It shows how the relationship between Eowyn and Faramir developed. I hope that they don't cut it out.

[Catz]

i think itll be cut...mainly due to time constraints, tho we may get a look...the thing is tho, that anything we learn there can be done elsewhere, and thus more economically. Yes it is an important part of the book, but then, all parts of a book are important.....if you could just chop a bit out willy nilly without affecting the story, then that bit probably shouldnt have been there at all.....thats what makes adapting books for movies so difficult...:grin: :cool:
:catz:

[Mirkgirl]

It'll probably be cut... I wish Tolkien based films are measured in days, not in hours ;)

[Sindarin]

I hope the scene isn't deleted, yet probably will. :rolleyes:

[A! Elbereth]

It is very important, for that is how we know Eowyn, in fact is not dead. I think they may show a quick glimpse of Aragorn tending those in the House of Healing (Merry, Eowyn etc)... but I don't think there will be much mroe of it... I want to see the small part where Pippin first meets Merry after their last departure away from each other, Pippin separating and going with Gandalf on Shadowfax.

[Sindarin]

I pray that you're right about such scenes in TTT, Elbereth.

[jediguy]

Originally posted by A! Elbereth
It is very important, for that is how we know Eowyn, in fact is not dead.
I thought this is established through Prince Imrahil holding his polished shield to Eowyn's lips, like in the books?

[Pil]

It always makes me mecry when i read the bit before merry gets to the houses of healing and pippin finds him...alseep(?)/knocked out...and they say that he should have been brought in a hero and that he shouldn't have been allowed to walk at all...poor merry...poor ickle sweet gorgeous... *pil goes off the merry thread to drool more* :loveyou:

U have to admit though...the houses of healing held some PRETTY darn important peeps and nursed them back to health...not something to be erased IMHO! :nono:

[Sindarin]

I hope the filmmakers share our vision also. :thumbs:

[Nessa]

Originally posted by jediguy

I thought this is established through Prince Imrahil holding his polished shield to Eowyn's lips, like in the books?

This would work well, I think, but I fear Imrahil didn't make it to the movies. :( I hope that he is.....

I don't think the houses of healing will be cut completely, but I dont' expect anything too in depth. I recall hearing that someone was cast as Ioreth.... :o But you can never be sure about rumors. To be honest I could do without her.....

I think the gardens in the Houses of Healing would be a perfect setting for romance between Eowyn and Faramir.

[Sindarin]

You're right about all that, Nessa. :thumbs:

I hope Imrahil is in TTT as well. :)

[Narsil's weilder]

I hope it works out that they even show the romance between Eowyn and Faramir rather than just a kiss on the walls of Minas Tirith.

[Eowyn]

awwww if P.J cuts it I'll hunt him down! He can't cut it out because Aragorn heals them and that links in the whole King situation!

[Pil]

I agree! How the old woman has that saying about the hands of the king being a healer...it would be a lovely detail to include. :king:

[Lady Melody]

How the old woman has that saying about the hands of the king being a healer...it would be a lovely detail to include.

show the romance between Eowyn and Faramir rather than just a kiss on the walls of Minas Tirith.

It is very important, for that is how we know Eowyn, in fact is not dead

We shall see will we not, in December?:mmmm:

[Eowyn]

roll on December! :whoohoo:

[Narsil's weilder]

2002 and 2003!

[Undomiel]

OMG they cant cut it. It's such an important chapter. How else will they prove Aragorn is the real king and that he is also a healer not just a fighter?? :( Also :elfeek: :elfeek: :elfeek: they cant cut Imrahil-i dont know why but he's one of my fave characters in ROTK.

[LadyEowynKenobi]

hello everyone!

as far as i know, there was no one casted for the part of Imrahil, however he could be a Figwit- type character where we only "see" him but not hear a word from him or have his name mentioned.

warning: spoiler discussion to follow:


the Houses of Healing is in. what i heard is that Frodo will wake up in the Houses of Healing (thus the Field of Cormallen is out). i've read conflicting reports of Ioreth being in the film and not, so we'll just have to wait and see on that one.

[Pil]

That would be cool! :thumbs: :cool:

[Narsil's weilder]

Not another awakening like in FOTR when he dosen't remeber and Gandalf tells him! verymad

[Pil]

lol That WOULD be a bit repetitive. I'm sure they won't do that...hmm... :huh: :)

[Narsil's weilder]

Well with PJ, you never know!

[LadyEowynKenobi]

Originally posted by Narsil's weilder
Not another awakening like in FOTR when he dosen't remeber and Gandalf tells him! verymad
wasn't there a scene from the book that Frodo was forgetting some of the events that happened during the quest? couldn't quite remember though if that was before Houses of Healing or after.

oh and instead of Frodo waking up ahead of Sam like it was in the book, Sam was already up and about by the time Frodo wakes up.

couldn't understand why bother with this change though.

[Narsil's weilder]

Originally posted by LadyEowynKenobi
couldn't understand why bother with this change though.

"Even I can't see all ends..."

[Arwen, Elven Princes]

I think it is very imprtant that they have the entire scene of the Houses of Healing. It DOES show that Faramir respect Aragorn.I hope it works out that they even show the romance between Eowyn and Faramir rather than just a kiss on the walls of Minas Tirith. come on, those people that make movies NEVER turn down an oportunity like that, *Dreamy look.* the Love between Faramir and Eowyn in, how romantic, beautiful, simple,*Expressen hardens.* and perfect. Unlike Lucus who bombed SW2. the problem was the type of love he did was, in my personal opinion, unrealistic. It was too dramatic, he over did it and made a big deal out of it, it was wrongly acted and gross if you ask me. Tolkein did it so well, it so simple that you couldn't miss it, their love had buidt up over the time that they spent with each other, unlike in SW how the minute Annie saw her in the junk shop he said he was going to marry her, um... that was all a little too sudden. And it was very sweet how it showed the relation with Eomor and Eowyn and how he really loved her. I thought that was one of the sweetest things I read. I really hope that they do that.mecry
ps. though the Love theme for SW2 was only too perfect, it would go better in the scene when Faramir and Eowyn are on the wall and they kiss. Ah...mecry

[Pil]

It's so sweet that they didn't care who was watching... :loveyou:

[Eowyn]

I know I really hope he doesn't cut anything out. It would not take that long if they kept it in.

[Undomiel]

yeah, it would be awful leaving it out. I love the Faramir-Eowyn thing-tis soooo cute and lovely :)

[Tar-Ancalimë]

Originally posted by Arwen, Elven Princes
come on, those people that make movies NEVER turn down an oportunity like that, *Dreamy look.* youre right... look how PJ blew it up between Arwen and Aragorn...

he'll put in a bunch i bet

[Narsil's weilder]

Ha. They already messed up Arwen and Aragon. What if they get Eowyn and Faramir all wrong?

[Orc]

Rumor has it that PJ is pushing the Arwen - Aragorn - Eowyn 'love triagle' a bit. If he's going to do that, especially play up any romantic interaction between Eowyn and Aragorn, he has to bring it full circle and bring Eowyn and Faramir together in the end. I'm guessing that we'll get the Happy Holliwood ending, which means all the living members ends up happy.

The events in the House of Healing are important, especially to Eowyn. She basically goes to battle as an act of near suicide after realizing that Aragorn has the hots for some half-elf hottie. The House of Healing is much more than the healing of her body, but in finding Faramir she heals her soul. To properly plyy out Eowyn's character, they have to do at least a scene or two here.

As far as Aragorn being king - PJ has already turned this on it's head. In the books there is no doubt in his mind that Aragorn will be king - it's just a matter of time and proving his right to the throne (i.e. wielding Narsil, his healing hands, finding a sapling of the White Tree etc). In the movie, Aragorn is the reluctant king. He is portrayed as denying his heritage and almost being afraid of it, while others such as Boramir want a king. Therefore Aragorns healing hands may be glossed over as proof of his right to the throne.

It's a bit of a toss up, but given the screen time of what we've seen and heard of Eowyn, my guess is that we'll see enough of it to get the idea.

[Orkybash]

Excuse me? Boromir wants a king?

"Gondor has no king... Gondor needs no king."

[Pil]

I agree Orc...i think that the film....unfairly mind...gave aragron the appearance of not WANTING to be king...silly...:king:

I hope they redeem him! :thumbs:

[Bonos-Girl]

wasn't orky saying about boromir wanting a king rather than aragorn.....i'm confuzzled!!!

[Arwen, Elven Princes]

Did Eowyn know Aragorn was in love with Arwen? In the book, of course.

[Eowyn]

err..... I'm not sure she was mentioned but Eowyn got the impression he loved someone else. I think?

[Tar-Ancalimë]

Originally posted by Orc
half-elf hottie ???? Arwen is only 1/4 elven.

And in the books, sure there's no doubt he will be King, but admit it... he is a little reluctant, and he never pushes it. Anyway others in the books want a king, I don't see how PJ is turning this on its head... :huh:

[Undomiel]

Originally posted by Pil
I agree Orc...i think that the film....unfairly mind...gave aragron the appearance of not WANTING to be king...silly...:king:

I hope they redeem him! :thumbs:

I agree-i want the Aragorn who proudly says "I am Aragorn son of Arathorn, Elendil's heir of Gondor" !!!!!!!!

[Bonos-Girl]

:drool:

[Catz]

i liked the way they took Aragorns attitude to the throne....this is no "bowl on in and take over" kind of guy.....my take on it was that he was torn about the betrayal of his ancestor yes....but also that he felt that Gondor was doing OK under the Steward and he didnt see the need to butt in until they needed HIM...and when they did, reluctantly or no, he came to their aid.....i liked it
:catz:

[Bonos-Girl]

yeh...i never thought of it like that!

[Orc]

Originally posted by Orkybash
Excuse me? Boromir wants a king?
"Gondor has no king... Gondor needs no king."

I always found this quote a bit out of line for how they played things up in the movie. It worked better in the book, especially since Aragorn had a long way to trace his lineage back to Gondor - had to go all the way back to Ilsidur. Kindov like the Dauphine trying to claim England's crown becaue he was going to wed Marry Queen of the Scotts.... It makes Gondor's reluctance to accept a king work well, as well as the lenghts that Aragorn goes to to prove his claim. (I.e. wielding Narsil, the healing hands, finding the white tree sappling etc...).

In the movie they make Aragorn the 'reluctant heir apparent'. It just doesn't work for me.

[Orc]

Originally posted by Tar-Ancalimë
???? Arwen is only 1/4 elven.


I stand corrected. Though I always thought Elrond took an elven wife, which I supose would have made her 3/4 elven rather than half....

Almost as confusing as following the orc / uruk / uruk-hai / half-orc debate....

[Undomiel]

he did though, it was Celebrian, daughter of Galadriel.

[Bonos-Girl]

i'm confuzzled...i thought she was half or possibly more?!? Someone help.. :duh:

[Pil]

It WAS 3/4....wasn't it? Aaaanyways...she was more elf than not... :elfqueen:

[Tar-Ancalimë]

Originally posted by Orc
I stand corrected. Though I always thought Elrond took an elven wife, which I supose would have made her 3/4 elven rather than half....

Almost as confusing as following the orc / uruk / uruk-hai / half-orc debate.... argh im an idiot... i swear, i meant 1/4 human...argh why do i do things like that... bother. sorry to mess every one up, Orc, BG, Pil... whoever else i messed up too...

[Kezzy]

I think it should be put into the movie because it is like the point where the people in Minas Tirith actually realise their king is back and i think that the quote:
The hands of a king are the hands of a healer"
is important for some reason or another

[Arwen, Elven Princes]

Hey, guys, back to the topic, right?

[Orkybash]

I just thought of something:

We've got a whole movie to go betweem now and RotK. A lot can change during a movie... like, oh, say... a character's attitude about his lineage?

(Possible spoilers)
In the big 10-minute preview on the DVD, PJ says that TTT have Aragorn trying to decide whether or not he does want to be king. I've also heard that Narsil will be reforged at the beginning of RotK. Here's my theory: By the end of Two Towers, Aragorn will be willing to embrace his heritage and claim the Throne, a change that will be symbolically completed by his accepting of Anduril. Therefore, when he passes through the Paths of the Dead and arrives at Minas Tirith, he *will* be ready to charge in and say proudly, "I am Aragorn, Son of Arathorn, heir to the throne of Gondor!"

[Undomiel]

i hope so. i dont like Aragorn who doesnt want to be king. i like confident Aragorn.

[Orkybash]

Actually, I think it's good that Aragorn's showing a healthy amount of fear here. It gives him room to grow into the more confident Aragorn that we all know and love.

When it comes down to it, the Aragorn tolkien wrote was pretty one-dimensional. I actually think the way Jackson portrays him adds a lot of interest to the story (though saying that may be blasphemy to some)

[Undomiel]

well it's just that he is meant to be like 60. In the book he has already developed alot, which i guess shows more in the Tale of Aragorn and Arwen. I guess i dont like it because he was my fave character in the book. By the time the War of the Ring came around he had already accepted his destiny.

[Nessa]

As much as I hate to intervene on so interesting a topic, it is a few degrees off from the current topic, so a tiny little adjustment would do it. :thumbs:

[Undomiel]

yeah sorry-i realised after i posted that that it wasnt meant to be in this thread.

[Iarfirithwen]

I truly hope that they don't cut the houses of healing, but I wouldn't be surprised if it only made it on the extended-DVD. Apparently from the interview with"the New Line Guy" on the FOTR-SEEDVD, the way they edited FOTR down to just under 3 hours was to say, pretty much anything that doesn't have to deal with Frodo gets cut. Maybe anything that doesn't have to deal with Aragorn becoming king (and Frodo ditching the ring ofcourse;) ) gets cut from the theatrical release of ROTK. But then, maybe if that's the case, they'll leave atleast some of the Houses of Healing in because it deals with: 1. the prophesy of the king, 2. Faramir's respect for Aragorn, and 3. Closure to the love triangle thing they are apparently heating up in TTT. I wouldn't expect too much Faramir and Eowyn sitting under trees and wondering in the gardens (maybe atleast a glimpse - please PJ we have a strong longing for this).

Iarfirithwen
p.s. and just quickly in response to the other things said a little OT:
Arwen is probably closer to 3/4 elf (Elronds father was 1/2 elf and his mother about 5/8 elf; Celebrian, her mother, was a whole lotta elf, sorry I mean 100% elf as far as I am aware),
pp.s I'd have agree with what Catz (I think) said. Well I actually thought Aragorn in the books was more lacking in confidence to be King, troubled by his being the decendant of Isildur. Like he knows what must be done but is uncertain. Some might say that sometimes the best leaders are not the ones who want to be in that position or want the power in the first place, but who do eventually realise they have the ability, responsibility and duty.

[Narsil's weilder]

It seems that since Aragon used the kingsfoil in FOTR that there must be an explanation in ROTK.

[Gwaihir]

I think the scenes at the House of Healing is very important, since, as many of you say, Eowyn and Faramir's relationship begins there. And the ones who brought them together are Merry and Pippin! ;)

I hope it's not skipped, though probably it will be. Why does Peter Jackson have to change so many parts? pfbbt pfbbt

I want to watch the part where Gandalf, Pippin, the army, etc, goes to fight in front of Mordor! I really, really want to!!!
entdraught
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[Veefy]

I wonders if the Aragorn telling Sam to "find some kingfoil" and then using it on Frodo's wound (which did happen in FOTR) will get some or at least partial extrapolation/explanation with the whole hands of the healer/king line.

I remember somewhere hearing that stuff from the book that makes the movies has to serve a number of different purposes and including Aragorn tend the wound in FOTR could make an explanation scene of Aragorns healing powers more possible.

[Undomiel]

i wish he could have used it properly-ie put it into hot water-however i realise that it would have been far too long for the film. Shame though.

[Orkybash]

Well, I would assume that Athelas would have some healing properties even when used improperly (though still in the hands of a king, mind you!), and it seems like they were in a bit of a rush to get Frodo out of there!

Then again, my memory of that part of the book is a bit sketchy, so if the text contradicts my theory then never mind! :)

[Iarfirithwen]

Well he did chew on it. Maybe the mashing it up like that combined with the heat from his mouth ..... and ...... saliva :drool: lol, may have released the healing properties. Hey maybe there's just something special about his saliva.

... Wasn't I good. I didn't make any comments on that last point ;)

[Elfdream]

The saliva of the king has healing power, then shall the true king be known...lol

Ahem. Sorry. Got carried away there.

I was wondering if the Houses of Healing is cut ,how will Faramir and Eowyn get together? Will he see her while still on the battlfield kill the witch King and think "What a woman!' and then of course naturally fall in love with her??? ;)

elfdream

[Orkybash]

Or, in PJ's effort to butcher every word of Tolkien's epic, will he just cut the romance? :)

(j/k, PJ's doing a FINE job, with the exception of the roles of certain elf maidens...) roflmao

[Faramir]

i remember a while back, there was a spy report or something where someone at the filming of the battle at the Black Gates said that Domonic Monaghan (Merry) was there. It didn't state whether he was dressed in costume/acting as Merry, just that he was there. If this is true, then is Merry not in then House of Healing?

[Sharky]

The Houses of Healing will be like a M*A*S*H unit for many of the dead and dying. The Warden will be a bit of a stumbling bubbling Frank Burns, Ioreth will be like "Hotlips" Houlihan riding roughshod over the ward, and Pippin will be a Radar like character running around after them with a clipboard. All goes badly until "Hawkeye" Aragorn turns up with some Athelas, saves the patients and saves the day ! Hooray !!!

*** Sharky shakes head ***

Phew, I just woke up from a really bad dream.

[Orkybash]

Originally posted by Faramir
i remember a while back, there was a spy report or something where someone at the filming of the battle at the Black Gates said that Domonic Monaghan (Merry) was there. It didn't state whether he was dressed in costume/acting as Merry, just that he was there. If this is true, then is Merry not in then House of Healing?

They may have changed the sequence of events so that Merry heals before they go off to the Black Gates...

[Undomiel]

maybe-but then poor pippin really would be outdone. Who knows? I wish i could see all the movies.

[Narsil's weilder]

Well lets hope what Boromir taught them goes to some use.

[Miruvor]

I would not start suspecting so soon that the Houses of Healing would be out. After all, it's one of the main stages and meeting up places. Where else would they all hang out in Minas Tirith, if they aren't on the battlefield?

[Undomiel]

Thats what i think!