The Scouring of the Shire!

[Meriadoc Brandybuck]

Hello Everyone! Post your ideas on The Scouring of the Shire here. They can be ideas about its involvement in the ROTK film, the books, wherever! :thumbs:

[infected hobbit]

ummm... it wont be in it.... was never filmed;)

[Varda]

....thats so sad ..
i liked the scene very much and i am looking forward to see how PJ creates the part between the end of the hobbit´s journey and the grey havens.

[A! Elbereth]

I believe this thread was made for purpose of talking about the part of the story itself, no matter what it is in and is not.

Of course it will only be, and always will be in the book. It is not my favorite, but prob. my second. (Grey Havens all the way :thumbs: )

I find it quite sad that Frodo's motivation for destroying the ring lay in The Shire - was The Shire, and what he was looking foward most to was damaged and destroyed. Even more, he had to face with more troubles and the accusations towards him were horrendous!

This goes for all of the hobbits. They all wanted to go home so much; to smell it's earthly air. But I find it would be most difficult for Frodo to cope.

Yay! Opinion set. ;)

[Meriadoc Brandybuck]

Yes, I heard it wasn't filmed. But they have plenty of time to film it if they change their minds.
In reference to the books, it's my favorite chapter in the whole trilogy. Who doesn't like The Scouring? It expresses so many themes. It shows how much the Hobbits have grown in strength and wisdom; that they will do whatever it takes to protect their home. It definately shows forgiveness. Frodo spares Sharkey (I'm not saying his real name for those who have not read the books) after all he has done to the Hobbits and their land. That's only to name a few! I really hope they use it in the film. I don't care how many times they say they're not doing it. It's not over until it's over. :)

[Orkybash]

Well, I doubt they will film it, given PJ's reasons for cutting it. But, anything's possible.

Remember, Arwen used to be at Helm's Deep, and we were all sure she would be Xenarwen until the day of the release!

[Meriadoc Brandybuck]

lol Yeah! That was frightening! We've got Eowyn to do that though. I'm glad it was cut. It was just plain unnessesary. It's also unnessesary to cut the Scouring out. Until we get more speculation or confirmation anything IS possible. :)

[Orkybash]

No, from a certain perspective it is necessary to cut out the scouring. Imagine someone who's seeing RotK without reading the book. Face it - to someone unfamiliar with the themes Tolkien is trying to develop, the Scouring is completely unecessary, and would leave them wondering why the movie's still going on for so long if the ring's destroyed! Heck, when I first read LotR so long ago I was wondering why the BOOK was still going on! Since then, it's become one of my favorite chapters, and I too am sorry to see it go, but trust me. I've seen one too many movies that should have ended at one point, but they kept going far beyond that point and made me wonder why they hadn't stopped when they did.

I love the scouring. I'm sorry it's gone. But from a cinematic perspective, I see no way for Jackson to make it work.

[Little Devil]

I'm very sad that Scouring is cut, it was one of my favourite chapters in the book. :(

[Charis]

They are cutting the scouring?!!!
I can see where it makes sense, but WAAA! Is nothing sacred!
They can't just go home and every thing be fine and dandy, can they. Well, I guess the Grey Havens wouldn't quite be fine and dandy.
I think I'll just take a minute to cry in the corner.

[Brego]

Why are they cutting the scouring then?

[Aratar]

Because from a cinematic perspective, it is extremely anti climactic. You can't have the battle to end all battles, then have a little small irrelevant skirmish extending the movie 20 minutes too long. It is defintely something they could try and put in an Extended DVD, but it will definitely not be in the theatrical version.

I know a lot of people will say it's crucial to the hobbit's story arc, but the War of the Ring takes precedence over it easily.

[Brego]

It does make sense when u put it like that :)

[Aratar]

I wish they would put it in the movie in one form or another as it is one of the better chapters, IMO. Merry and Pippin really come into their own. But, I can understand PJ's reasoning for leaving it out.

[Faramir]

You see, there are a lot of themes in the chapter, IN THE BOOK. These themes, though, are not shown in the trilogy so far. This is why having it in the movie would feel incredibly strange. It just doesn't fit with the rest of the trilogy. And PJ wouldn't have had the room to able to make it fit.

[Elanor]

I was actually relieved that P.J. cut the scouring of the Shire--I dreaded having to watch that! I always hated coming to that part in the book after Frodo and Sam has gone through so much and then to have to see the Shire that way. It would be hard to watch that beautiful green countryside turned to ash and darkness on the big screen.

I don't think it will be in the movie or even the extended DVD--and I don't believe P.J. will film it because he didn't do the background story where Galadriel gives Sam the box of magic dirt and seed which he uses to re-seed the Shire. Sam got elven rope in the DVD (and nothing in the regular movie) so they would also have to write something in where an Elf or someone gives them magic dirt... Too much work!

I'm more upset that P.J. doesn't want to include Bill the Pony in the third movie!

[Meriadoc Brandybuck]

I think that PJ could make it as long as he wanted. Gods and Generals is 5 1/2 hours long because it's the first 3 years of the Civil War. I think that he could make room for 20 minutes of the Scouring of the Shire. I'm viewing this from a wide perspective. Not EVERYONE has read the books. But can't they understand the themes that are in that chapter?? It's a lot of fans' favorite chapter. At least, if it's not in the theatrical, it should be in the extended. Then, everyone who wants to see the Scouring can. And maybe they just cut out that part with Galadriel giving Sam the box of earth for the reason of savng screen time. Maybe, in the end, the Shire would re-grow itself without Sam's help. It would be nice to see Sam doing that, but I can see why it was out. We'll have to see. ;)

[Faramir]

Actually, Gods and Generals is going to be around 3 hours.

[Faramir]

If it's not in the theatrical version, it won't be in an extended version.

[Meriadoc Brandybuck]

I heard from a theater that it was going to be 300 minutes. O-well. It's not like I would sit through 3 years of the Civil War anyway. ;)

[Meriadoc Brandybuck]

We didn't think the lembas would be in the extended because they weren't in the theatrical; but they were, and we found out at the last minute. ;)

[Catz]

ill just bump this up
:catz:

[Meriadoc Brandybuck]

Thanks a lot! ;)

[Galadriel]

I wish that the Scouring of the Shire had been in the movie. It was one of the most touching part of the story. It would have been nice to see the hobbits reactions to the cahnge that had taken place while they had been on their quest. It would have shown that even a small place like the Shire can be effected by evil. I really wish that it had been in the movie. it would have shown the reality of the evil of Saruman and Sauron and how the hobbits believe that the could just come home and nothing would hvae changed when really that is not the case. Even people who have not read the books could relate to this aspect of the story. i believe thatit would have gave the movie more depth and made it more real to the audience and then the Gray havens would have tied in nicely after that. oh well I guess I will just have to reread the book to relive the moment.

[HobbitFriend]

mmm... i agree with Galadriel ~ When i read the book i was upset that the book was over (after Frodo destroys the Ring) and i wondered how Tolkien would end it. I wanted more. Then i read the Scouring of the Shire and at first i was very sad :mecry: i felt so bad that all that beauty had been destroyed and the poor hobbits hadn't even done anything! I was real upset about the Party Tree, but was so glad that Sam had the box from Lothlorien... the little bit of beauty left in the world. But then, the next day i talked about here on WotR and i realized how much more real that made the story, and i guess that's why i was so upset (or rather touched) by it was because it was so sad that i didn't want to think that something like that could ever happen - the cruel truth.... it could. A War that bad will reach all fronts even the remotest places. Like Merry said in the movie TTT: "The fires of Isengard will spread. There won't be a Shire, Pippin." :( very emotional stuff - I now wish they had included it ~ any time to retape? haha we wish...... But at least we have the book and in my opinion, no matter how good the movie (and believe me LotR comes REAL close) the book is always better :)

[Green Hand Guy]

Damn Peter Jackson! My two favourite parts of the book were the Barrow Downs and the Scouring of the Shire and he cut both of them out.

I don't see how he has time to throw in a boring half hour of Arwen in the Two Towers and yet can't fit in either of the coolest bits of the book. The Scouring is so important. The irony of the Hobbits returning as heroes and finding the place they wanted to protect the most destroyed was brilliant. Hopefully PJ will add it in during the reshoots.

[Galadriel]

Me too. I really hope he s it with some irony.

[HobbitFriend]

too bad Galadriel couldn't have just given Sam that stupid box! it at least would have been a wink to the people who've read the books!

[Meriadoc Brandybuck]

I agree with all of you! Hopefully, PJ will shoot it during the re-shoots. You never know...he might change his mind at the last minute. The fans love this chapter and would hate to see it go. Yea, I cried about the Party Tree and even (dare I say it) about Lotho. His parents were mean, but they changed in the end. See? The Scouring is so neccesary because, in the end, it changes for the better, and the Hobbits really take charge of their home. ;)

[HobbitFriend]

it shows how much they've "grown up" ~ very sad with a touch of happiness and pride ;)

[Meriadoc Brandybuck]

Yea, they have more "wisdom" and are more "aware of the rest of the world". It's just a wonderful touching chapter. ;)

[Galadriel]

I thin so too and it is very sad that they couldn't have atleast included it in the movie. what is a mere 20 minutes more. Tt gives everyone a better understanding and makes the story more real. Oh well there is always reshoots.

[Meriadoc Brandybuck]

Yep. All we can do now is hope for it. 20 minutes is all they need to add for that. ;)

[HobbitFriend]

i don't think they can though :( cuz how will Sam get his box of seeds to replant the Shire? mecry

[Meriadoc Brandybuck]

They could still film the Scouring and have the Shire heal itself. I assume they would do that to conserve screentime. It would kind of make sense for the Shire to heal itself. "There is always hope." ;)

[Meriadoc Brandybuck]

And another thing...PJ has been talking all along (or so we've heard) about all the reasons why it SHOULDN'T be in the films. As we've discussed here, there are plenty of reasons why it should. Still, I think he could change his mind anytime about whether he will put it in ROTK or not. There is always the reshoots like we've said.
Anyway, from here on, any of you can post your thoughts about The Scouring of the Shire in general and what it's like in the books: the happy parts, the sad parts, and the REALLY GOOD parts lol. Enjoy! :)

[HobbitFriend]

wait! what has he said about why it shouldn't be in the movie? :o i havn't really been listening :blush: *brings out the trout* :trout:

[Meriadoc Brandybuck]

lol Well, he said that it *shouldn't* be in the film for a couple of reasons. First, I heard that Philippa said that PJ cut the Scouring because "it would be strange to have a huge dramatic climax to a most anticipated story, and have it start up again." I know, kinda weird. "The audience just wouldn't go for it." He also said that it would take up too much screen time but he didn't enforce it, so there's still hope. ;) I've also read in a magazine that PJ 'just cut it'. It didn't say why. Well, that's all the reasons I can think of off the top of my head. I will post them here (or PM them to you) if I find more. ;) :p

[HobbitFriend]

aight :) that'd be nice; thanks Merry ;) I do see how it would be kind of weird ... with that huge climax after 2 other 3 hour long films, and then go back to Shire and pretty much have it start from the "bottom" again with the replanting and such... cuz then after that it would "just end" again and after having 2 other movies like that i dont think the audience would want that AGAIN! lol ~ But as for the true Fans... I don't see why he couldn't add that to the extended - i mean, it's only the real fans who would buy it and the fans who would like the ending with the Scouring..... :)

[Meriadoc Brandybuck]

Your welcome. ;) Yea, I agree. It would feel kinda strange for those who have not read the books. But I mean, the hobbits can't just go home and have everything be all right. What about Saruman? Plus, it would be a really cheesy death if he got impaled on the RSWD. I heard today that Christopher Lee filmed 5 deaths. Christopher didn't know which one they were going to use. You all probably heard about that. Anyway, it would be better to have him die the way he did in the books. I mean, really, how many ways can a Wizard die? lol ;) :p

[Frodo284]

ok here is my opinion. What if...The do the scouring of shire scene and suprises us...Then sam will have a flashback or look in his bag secrety and find the seeds. you never know. There has been way to many hints at the shirt being burnt. Galadriels mirror., piipin saying there won't be a shire. c'mon guys just have hope. i know jackson had left out so much but i really think he may come through for us this time....let's just have hope..you never know...maybe he reads these boards and is listening to us!!! the only thing that has led me down is the pic of wormtongue on the groud w/ the knife and the ground shows he is obviously at isengard....but it could be for when gandalf and the others arrive there...maybe an extra scene of anger w/ them!!

[HobbitFriend]

Originally posted by Frodo284
ok here is my opinion. What if...The do the scouring of shire scene and suprises us...Then sam will have a flashback or look in his bag secrety and find the seeds. you never know. There has been way to many hints at the shirt being burnt.
Hmm... that'd be nice :) And what Meriadoc said made me think: I don't think PJ would make them come home and have the Shire be like they never left! (i hope not!) I think that even if he didn't have the Scouring of the Shire in there, that it would still end with the Shire AT LEAST being different from when they left... to show how the "Fires of Isengard" and the war did spread!

Originally posted by Frodo284
There has been way to many hints at the shirt being burnt.
??? what shirt?

[Meriadoc Brandybuck]

I agree with all of you. :) PJ might be looking on these message boards just to see what the fans are talking about. If he has, then obviously, he knows that the fans WANT IT BADLY. I mean, the script is already written for you. Just follow it and adapt it as best you can (your VERY BEST). ;)
Hey Frodo284, what pic of Grima do you mean? He's laying on the ground? With a knife? I don't think I saw that one. Can you post it here, please? If you can't, it's okay.
I don't know what the "burnt shirt" means either. Does it mean, like blackballed? lol ;)

[HobbitFriend]

On Ian McKellen's site, he said that him and PJ sometimes come to forums like these to see what the fans say. :) We may still have hope for the Scouring! ;)

[Meriadoc Brandybuck]

Definately! "There is always hope." We have a whole YEAR to convince him. It's not over until it's over. He's the Director. He could change his mind at the last minute. The Scouring would be one of the best scenes in the entire film! It would have Best Picture in the bag. Until then, we can only imagine what that would look like on screen. :p :thumbs: ;) :grin: lol

[Meriadoc Brandybuck]

Wait until we get more pictures! :grin:

[HobbitFriend]

aahh! see, that's the one thing i don't want to see!! NO SPOILERS! haha I'm trying real hard not to get spoilers but they're all around me! (but no matter what - spoilers or not - the movie's going to be AWESOME! TERRIFFIC! MAGNIFIQUE! lol okay... i'm done :blush: )

[Meriadoc Brandybuck]

lol Last year, I wanted all the spoilers my "precious" little hands could get! lol That is until the reviews poured in. I stopped after 4 or 5. They revealed way too much. This year, I'm going to do the same thing, 'cuz this is the last one! We don't get another. We, fans have to make sure it's the best. Okay, I'm done. :grin: ;) :thumbs:

[HobbitFriend]

haha well, it's every fan for himself! lol

[Meriadoc Brandybuck]

lol Aaaaaahhhhhhh!!! So excited! Can't wait! roflmao

[Frodo284]

NOT SHIRT ...SHIRE..... LOL!! SORRY!!! here is the pic meridoc ok nevermind....i have the pic on my comp....just e-mail me and i'll send it to you...i sent you a private message earlier in the weeek...read it and e-mail me from there...

[Grima Wormtongue]

how do you all know the PJ didnt just SAY he didnt film the scouring? just to **** with us. so all of us ***** and moan about it not being in there, then we see it and its there and were all "OMFG ITS THERE!!! THE SCOURING!!!!". maybe itll be his little gift to us for ****ing up TTT so bad.


one can hope....cant he :grin:

[Frodo284]

why do you think he fu**ede up ttt so bad...i thought it was an excellent movie and ABSOLUTELY NO AND I MEAN NO one else could have done ANY better except Tolkein which is dead and not a director????

[Grima Wormtongue]

Originally posted by Frodo284
why do you think he fu**ede up ttt so bad...i thought it was an excellent movie and ABSOLUTELY NO AND I MEAN NO one else could have done ANY better except Tolkein which is dead and not a director????

hm, probably taken out of context. it IS a great ****in movie, def one of my favs ever, its just the whole fake death of aragorn thign and the osgiliath/faramir thing. i jus dont get PJ saying he wants to stick to the book and make sure he has all these little details(for example, on the commentary he pointed out that he made sure when frodo wakes up in rivendell that sam has to hold his hand cuz "true fans woudl be looking for little thigns like that") hm, but "true fans" wont mind completely changing 2 parts of the movie. i can understand deleting some stuff from the book(liek they did in FOTR) but, i just dont undertsand adding scenes that werent in the book, the arwen stuff i can semi understand as it was in the appendixes and i know movies need to be hollywoodized but some **** i jus dont get. but, again, TTT, GREAT ****IN MOVIE, jus wish PJ didnt add stuff that wasnt ion the book anywhere

[Frodo284]

well i wasn't critizising you or anything i was just wondering...i don't have room to talk b/c i haven't read ttt yet...i just now am almost finished with fellwoship..i'm on lothlorien so i'm almost finished. I'm not sure frmo my knowledge about osgilith what your talking about but i'll find out soon....yeah when i read that arwen didn't take frodo to rivendell in the book i was like....what??? i do see why fans get upset and i wish they could put everthing but they can't...general page to screenplay takes about a minute to do so that would just be froever and non-book readers or fans would get tired...i agree w/ u also on the hollywoodizing thing. It will all be goodin the end though..if he doesn't get wipe out the scouring that is....

[Mr Shirefolk]

I think The Return of the King will deviate a little from the books (less than in TTT, more than in FOTR) but seeing as I'm not a Purist I don't really care! :p

I think people should realise that not everything can be adapted from the books. You should also acknowledge and respect the time and effort put into these movies by Peter Jackson and his team. A few minor plot deviations here and there is not really too much of a sacrelige is it? :rolleyes:

I admit that the omission of The Scouring of the Shire is a controversial one, and it is sure to fan the Purist's flames even further when it is released - even if the rest of the 3-hour+ movie is exceptionally magnificent - which will be a great shame.

Still, the 2004 Oscar for Best Director is already assured and the chances of ROTK winning Best Picture is highly likely too given this year's 'deadwood' nomination (in that TTT has no hope of winning, yet was nominated as a token gesture anyway) so ulitmately, from a cinematic point of view, Jackson's decisions will have proved successful.

[HobbitFriend]

Originally posted by Mr Shirefolk
I think people should realise that not everything can be adapted from the books. You should also acknowledge and respect the time and effort put into these movies by Peter Jackson and his team. A few minor plot deviations here and there is not really too much of a sacrelige is it? :rolleyes:
I totally agree! :thumbs: Peter Jackson put a lot of effort into making the movies, he stayed quite close to the book and was right on with the whole story line. I bet if he did try to get the whole book in there, piece by piece - bit by bit, that it wouldn't come out as good. Especially for the people who haven't read Tolkien's books. They'd be a little lost, because a lot of what's going on is in the narrative, so to understand what's going on, they'd have to have a narrator throughout the movie and that just wouldn't be cool. I give PJ 6 out of 5 stars! ~ he even went the extra distance to give the fans extended edition movies with A LOT of extra footage! Come on! If that's not worthy of recognition and glory, i dont know what is. (kay, i'm done now :blush: )

[Grima Wormtongue]

yeah, PJ did good and stuck mostly to the story, the thing that just ****es me off is that he adds stuff thats not in the book, i completely understand taking stuff out due to lag in story or screen time, but if thats a problem why did he add the arwen ****? it didnt much add to the story IMO, and the osgliath thing didnt bother me so much as farmirs charcater. the movies are still great and i love them. but taking out the scouring is just dumb. if he had left out the arwen plot theyd have more time for the scouring.

[HobbitFriend]

Well, i think he left Arwen in for several reasons. First off, there aren't many female characters and nowadays, directors try to have a lot of diversity: men and women; blacks and whites; etc. If they took out Arwen and the "Aragorn and Arwen" love story, then 1) fans would probably even more upset and 2) the only girl characters left would be Eowyn and Galadriel and none of the women have that much screen time as it is. ((personally, i dont care about this whole issue with having female characters, but i did hear (or rather read) PJ saying something about that before)
So, having the "Aragorn and Arwen" story in it, they had to give Arwen more screen time (ie. The Flight to the Ford) so that the non-reader audience would be introduced to her before she just randomly shows up at the Council of Elrond, kissing her! lol Imagine how confused they'd be!
Lastly, as someone said before (on WotR, i forget who though) that movies are BASED on the book - they aren't THE book itself. ;) ~*~ but of course, everyone is entitled to their own opinion, and that's mine. :thumbs:

[Meriadoc Brandybuck]

I do agree that the films can't be EXACTLY like the books. It would work for people who had read the books, but it wouldn't work for those who hadn't. But to cut the Scouring, as Grima said, is just plain dumb. I heard that the Scouring wouldn't work for those who hadn't read the books. I disagree. A lot of people (like MILLIONS of people) do understand the themes from the Scouring, and they would understand it even more if it was put on screen. I feel, but this is just my opinion, that the film almost wouldn't work if the Scouring was cut. Like I said in an earlier post, the Hobbits can't just go back to the Shire and have everything be all happy and fine. ;) :p :thumbs:

[HobbitFriend]

yah, and i agree. That's one part i really don't want cut! (The Scouring of the Shire) i mean, being a big fan of LotR, i also would like to see everything in there, but you have to understand and look from the director's point of view that not everything can go in there. lol I see what you mean about how if the Scouring was cut, and they came back to the Shire and "everything was happy and fine" that that would be just wrong too! That's one point that i really can't see him cutting ~ but as far as taking that whole chapter with the replanting, and then Frodo's arm.. i mean if they (how do i put this) "dragged it out" then it would be like starting from the bottom of the "mountain" (ie. rising/falling action, climax, etc.) ~*~ All-in-all, it's an extremely complicated part to put on film because it needs to meet so many "demands" or "requirements." They've got the fans wanting the whole Tolkien version of The Scouring, and then they've got critics and "non-Tolkien" audiences who want a "secure" ending. :huh: I just hope they do it right, but looking at FotR and RotK, i've got faith in PJ. (Hey, afterall, there's definate rumors of an Elanor! That's part of the Scouring... so i don't think when they mean "cut" that everything's going to be all "happy-go-lucky" ... ;) they can't mess up that bad after all that work!!!) lol

[Grima Wormtongue]

Originally posted by HobbitFriend
Hey, afterall, there's definate rumors of an Elanor! That's part of the Scouring... so i don't think when they mean "cut" that everything's going to be all "happy-go-lucky" ... ;) they can't mess up that bad after all that work!!!) lol

well, my thoughts on that and basically the rest of the end is thus:

arwen and aragorn get married, whats left of the fellowship chill there for a little, gimli and legolas leave to go their own way, then gandalf and the hobbits leave and go straight to rivendell, talk to bilbo, leave, POSSIBLY go to bree, but most liekly not, then to the shire, rose runs up to sam and greet him and then hes "oh rose i missed you so much, marry me" then the hobbits go their seperate ways in the shire, gandalf says good bye and goes back to rivendell, flash to liek a few years later frodo looks all sad tells sam he has to leave. somewhere in there theyll have shots of sean w/ his daughter. then they leave for grey havens, meet bilbo and gandalf and whoever else was going to the grey havens, merry and pippen show up,. they all say good bye. last scene: sam arrives home and is :rosie, im home" hugs his daughter. then either a breif thing abotu what happens to everyone or they role credits.

just my thoughts on it.

[Frodo284]

I do agree for thematic elements. To take out the scouring would make it like every other movie. The scouring shows that unlike other movies, the main characters also suffer like the bad guys. frodo has been hurt several times...by the nazgul...the troll...and by you know who in the next movie...well 2 times. Sorry if i'm spoiling anything. But yeah, that's why it makes it different from other action movies...the main characters don't get away with everthing and all must suffer somehow and more than in just one way!!!

[Meriadoc Brandybuck]

Yes, I heard that we'll get to see Elanor. I saw a pic of Elanor and Sam together (you all have probably already seen it). However, I also heard that it was from the Grey Havens chapter and not the Scouring. On the other hand, the site that I heard it from doesn't always have things straight. ;) It may be from the Scouring. We sure hope so! Furthermore, there's a great battle in the Scouring. The Hobbits kick boo-tay. They're sick and tired of being overlooked and underestimated. This is where they take revenge in a good way. That's just to name a couple of points. It's exciting, it's funny, it's sad, and emotional. It may sound weird, but that's just what makes it special. Okay, I'm done. ;)

[legolastheawesome]

Originally posted by Grima Wormtongue
well, my thoughts on that and basically the rest of the end is thus:

arwen and aragorn get married, whats left of the fellowship chill there for a little, gimli and legolas leave to go their own way, then gandalf and the hobbits leave and go straight to rivendell, talk to bilbo, leave, POSSIBLY go to bree, but most liekly not, then to the shire, rose runs up to sam and greet him and then hes "oh rose i missed you so much, marry me" then the hobbits go their seperate ways in the shire, gandalf says good bye and goes back to rivendell, flash to liek a few years later frodo looks all sad tells sam he has to leave. somewhere in there theyll have shots of sean w/ his daughter. then they leave for grey havens, meet bilbo and gandalf and whoever else was going to the grey havens, merry and pippen show up,. they all say good bye. last scene: sam arrives home and is :rosie, im home" hugs his daughter. then either a breif thing abotu what happens to everyone or they role credits.

just my thoughts on it.

Perfect. Most likely that's the way it will go....mecry

[Meriadoc Brandybuck]

Come to think of it, IF they don't film and/or use the Scouring, that's probably exactly how the ending will turn out, sadly. mecry On the other hand, we still have those little "hints" from TTT that the Scouring might still be in ROTK, and everything else that supports the idea of it. ;)

[HobbitFriend]

I guess the only thing we can do now is wait, and hope that it's the ending of a lifetime! :) I can't wait! the movie is gonna be awesome, whatever they decide (i've got much confidence ;) )

[Meriadoc Brandybuck]

Yes, I feel good about this one. I really do think it will be the best out of all three, like PJ has been saying. I think we'll adore it whether the Scouring is in there or not. But it would be a big shame to see it go. It would be absolutely brilliant to see it done on screen! You're right, HobbitFriend, all we can do now is wait and hope. However, I can't wait until the end of the month for the very first ROTK preview! I hope it's at least 4 minutes. :p I'll be hyperventilating like when I saw the TTT preview. lol Better take a Breath right strip! :thumbs: ;)

[Meriadoc Brandybuck]

I'm also going to bring a LOT of tissues mecry ;)

[Meriadoc Brandybuck]

Going back to the Elanor subject, here are the two pics of Sam and Elanor in ROTK. Is that a camera in the picture on the right?
ROTK pics of Samwise and Elanor (http://www.quintessentialwebsites.com/lordoftherings/movieshots/Book6_Chapter09.htm#lX)
These are the ones that almost everyone has seen, but I thought I'd put them here just in case they end up being pics from the Scouring. ;) :p

[Periantari Andruil]

Perhaps The Scouring of the Shire is anti-climatic but it's still upsetting that PJ's not including it. I understand the reasoning and all but, like a lot of people who replied to this thread, it is one of my favorite chapters in the Trilogy...

They still have Frodo go out into the Grey Havens with Bilbo, Elrond, and Gandalf, right?

[HobbitFriend]

POSSIBLE ROTK SPOILER!

Originally posted by Andruil
still have Frodo go out into the Grey Havens with Bilbo, Elrond, and Gandalf, right?
Yah, didn't Ian Holm say that he thinks that's how the movie's going to end - with them going off to the Grey Havens? :huh: They can't cut ALL the parts of the Scouring of the Shire... then that wouldn't fit! ah, who knows!! lol
~*~ Meriadoc, are the RotK previews really coming out at the end of this month?! :o I didn't think they started previews for TTT until after FotR was already on video :huh: I hope it's sooner than that this time though!!! :whoohoo:

[Frodo284]

no there was a trailer added on at the end of march last year for TTT. I was thinking, it might be possible for sam to get the seeds maybe on the way back home. MAYBE Galadriel will greet them for sucess after it's all over and give them gifts and sneek some seeds in...or maybe she already did and we just don't know...or maybe the shire will just have to regrow on it's own...LET THE MOTHER FU*KER BURN!!! HEHEHEHHE

[Meriadoc Brandybuck]

Yes, the Grey havens is definately in there. ~HobbitFriend, yes, that's what I've heard (that the ROTK preview is coming at the end of the month), but I'm not 100% sure. I say, about, 70-80%. ;) We sure hope so! :p

[HobbitFriend]

yay! lol Well, i'll still be looking ;) ~*~ i was so happy when i saw the trailer for TTT at the end of FotR, the last time i had seen it in theatres. :whoohoo: Now i can't wait for RotK! there's spoilers all around me!! can't get away! :p

[Meriadoc Brandybuck]

I'm am so with you! I seriously can't wait. I think there are 305 days left (correct me if i'm wrong). I hope it's really long. Maybe some people will find more info. on it (like EVERYTHING). lol We'll have that to hold us over until TTT comes out on DVD (2 MONTHS EARLY!). Okay, I'm done. ;) :p

[Grima Wormtongue]

Originally posted by Meriadoc_Brandybuck
I'm am so with you! I seriously can't wait. I think there are 305 days left (correct me if i'm wrong).

We'll have that to hold us over until TTT comes out on DVD (

302 days actually

if u want theres a bunch of copies of TTT on the net, but im really looking forward to the extended version

[Meriadoc Brandybuck]

Thanks. Me too. I think the Extended will be better like the Extended of FOTR was better than the theatrical (in my opinion). :thumbs: I can't wait for the Ent Draught scene. :p

[HobbitFriend]

haha i know! Getting the Extended Version is like waiting for a whole new movie to come out! lol If you want the RotK countdown clock (i've got one!! :p ) there's a link in the Countdown thread. (or you can just PM me and i'll give you the link) :)

[Meriadoc Brandybuck]

Can you give me the link? I saw it before, but I was running out of space on my computer so I didn't get it right away. But now, I have second thoughts. Counting down in my head is confusing when I miss some days.
Hahaha, yea, it is like waiting for another movie, because technically, it IS another movie, except we've already seen most of it. ;) :p Hopefully, it'll be at least a 1/2 hour more of extra footage. :thumbs:

[HobbitFriend]

mmm.. can't wait!! Sure, i'll PM you the link :)

[Meriadoc Brandybuck]

Thanks! :) What was your favorite part of The Scouring of the Shire? Just wondering. ;)

[HobbitFriend]

my favorite part.... *thinks* Well, i liked many parts of it, but some of my favorite parts would probably be when the Hobbits come back and stand up to the "Shirriffs" (~loved the sarcasm ;) ~ the hobbits act like they've got the authority and run the place - which really, they deserve because they saved the Shire! - and they're so grown up :grin: ) and when Sam meets Rosie again and they decide to get married :loveyou: (i love "happy endings" like that) ;) I thought it was sad that Frodo was so hurt by the quest though and was happy when Bilbo came back :)
~*~ How 'bout you? What was your favorite part? ~*~

[Meriadoc Brandybuck]

Mine is the same. Yea, loved the sarcasm! That part where the Hobbits are told that they're arrested, and they just burst out laughing! roflmao Also, when Pip tears down the "Rules", that was great. It was sad when they saw that the Party Tree was gone. And all the inns and pubs were closed. When all the inns and pubs are closed (being a Hobbit), you KNOW you've got a problem! :p

[HobbitFriend]

aaw, i know! i was so sad when the Party Tree was just disrespecfully ripped down! mecry But i was glad that Sam had his Lothlorien seeds to replant with. The last bit of beauty left in Middle-Earth :( It was a very sad chapter, but maybe part of that was because it made it seem that much more real! Instead of with some fairy tale and "they lived happily ever after," Tolkien gives you the reality of what would happen. Reading it, you sometimes feel like it was history and that there was a Shire and Middle-Earth, and hobbits..... But that's one of the many things that makes this book so great :)

[Grima Wormtongue]

yeah, i like all the parts mentioned, the part i really like though is the confrontation with sharky. it was a big twist for me, i really wasnt expectog sauron to be there. or maybe im just dumb.

[Meriadoc Brandybuck]

lol Saruman was there, not Sauron. Probably just a typo though. ;) Yea, it wasn't a "they lived happily ever after" story. Sure, it was good in the end, but with more tension. I think that is why people read the book over and over. The "tension" also shows how much the Hobbits can endure. They were so underestimated before, but really, they were very strong and able to fight for their home. That is just really cool! lol :p

[HobbitFriend]

yah, hobbits are really "amazing creatures" as Gandalf had said in FotR. (that quote used to be my sig.) "Hobbits really are amazing creatures. You can learn about all their ways in a month; yet they can still surprise you at a pinch!" :)

[Meriadoc Brandybuck]

Truly amazing. They showed those ruffians who were boss all right. My mom has this little song she likes when it comes to hobbit territory sung to the tune, "This land is my land, this land is your land". "This land is our land, go back to your land. Get off our land, before we shoot you. (With Hobbit arrows) Any questions?" lol They could do that for "Lord of the Broom" that's coming out this year. That would be hilarious. ;) :p

[legolastheawesome]

lol lol

[HobbitFriend]

"Lord of the Broom" ?? i havn't heard of that; what is it? a movie? I can be so blonde sometimes :p

[Galadriel]

True yes or can but I have never heard of it yet either.

[HobbitFriend]

Originally posted by Galadriel
True yes or can but I have never heard of it yet either.
a little tongue-tied, or were you just trying out all of the conjunctions? ;) haha

[Galadriel]

you know what I mean. But hey i just thought i would brush up on my conjunctions at the same time.

[HobbitFriend]

lol yep... back to Prouty's class!! *shudders at the thought* no more green undies for you Galadriel! :naughty: haha lol
~*~ Now, The Scouring of the Shire..... :grin:

[Galadriel]

:blush:
Yes Hobbitfriend lets get back to the Scourning of the Shire. Please. lol

[HobbitFriend]

Okay Galadriel! What is your favorite part of the Scouring of the Shire? ;)

[Galadriel]

Let see my favorite part well the chapter is very sad so i don't know if i have a favorite. Let me think about it.

[Grima Wormtongue]

Originally posted by Meriadoc_Brandybuck
lol Saruman was there, not Sauron. Probably just a typo though. ;)

yep, typo, my bad!! :(

and for those that dont know, lord of the brooms is the name of scary movie 3. its liek scary movie 3: [harry potter reference] and the lord of the brooms

[HobbitFriend]

ah, i c :)

[Meriadoc Brandybuck]

Yea, that's it. A combination of LOTR and HP plus parody called Lord of the Broom. Okay, back to Scouring. Yea, Galadriel, what's ur favorite part. It's not completely sad. It's also funny! lol :p ;)

[Galadriel]

What part do you find funny?

[legolastheawesome]

:huh:

[Meriadoc Brandybuck]

You know. The part where the 'Shirriffs' tell the Hobbits that they're arrested, and all they do is burst out laughing. And that part where Pip puts his two cents in. Those would make nice comic relief scenes. Also, where Pippin tears down the list of rules; that was kinda funny, but nothing to get excited over. That's what I can think of off the top of my head, but there are others. So what's your favorite part, legolastheawesome and Galadriel? ;) :p

[Bard]

The Scouring of the Shire is essential to everything that is in the books. Could the hobbits return to the world that they had before when they themselves were changed? Would they take ease in the comfort of the Shire, in its naivety? Tolkien understood all this, and that is why the Scouring is so important. Yes, it does add to the comic relief of the movie, and it shows one of the main themes of the movie--"the world is changing". The hobbits rock, and I think it would work fine as a cinematic ending. Anyway, the LOTR movies haven't exactly followed other movies preceding them- they are pretty revolutionary.
I don't see why Peter Jackson went to such incredible lengths to get all the details right in the movie-each piece of chain mail, each description from the book (incredible detail!)- if he didn't get the basic fundamentals of the book seen in the Scouring of the Shire.

[Catz]

the reason that it wouldnt work in a movie is that its a second climax......and would be bound to suffer in comparison to the big finish at Mt Doom........it works in a book because of the nature of a book...........just as appendices work in a book..........but arent of any use in a movie...........it is merely reiterating themes that the movie has already placed before the audience...........id say wait and see before you decide that the movie CANT leave out the scouring.....you may be surprised
:catz:

[Galadriel]

I guess I agree with both Catz and Bard. I believe that the scouring was important in a sence to the whole endng of the book, yet on the other hand it might not have fit into the movie the way we all want it to. So i guess I will just have to wait and see the movie and then judge it.

As for my favorite part lets see, i like the whole chapter and i finding it very interesting. As for a favorite part i just don't know if I can choose one. Let me reread the chapter and then decide.

[Bard]

of course you are right- they can leave whatever out they want. i'll have to see the movie before i judge it too. anyway, the movies are spectacular, and i'm glad they are around, and done the way they were for the most part. but the books will always be the best. i'm glad they have stuck to them as much as they have so far.
:dragon: :archer:

[HobbitFriend]

yah, I think PJ did a fantastic job. It's just not possible to be exactly like the book and have everything in the movie. I seriously can't think of any other movie that has been made after a book that has stayed as close as PJ has with LotR. I mean Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone (or "Philosopher's" depending on where you live), stayed pretty close, but even they made more changes than PJ did... and not necessarily for the better... (but that's another topic) :grin: As far as the Scouring goes... If it's in there, that's great! (even in the SE edition it would be nice for fans), but if it isn't, i'm sure the movie will still be outstanding and have a wonderful ending to satisfy Tolkien- and Non-Tolkien readers alike :thumbs:

[Galadriel]

Very well put Hobbitfriend. I believe in my heart that the movie will turn out well no matter what changes are made. The first two movies have had plenty of changes and they are like my favorite movies now. As much as i want the scouring to bein there it might throw nonbook readers off so i think it was for the best that it was left out. Either way I can't wit for the movie.

[HobbitFriend]

yah. Even if a movie is based on a book, it isn't the book. ~*~ Okay, so all-in-all I do want to see the Scouring, but i want the movie to "fit" so maybe if the Scouring was in the SE edition, then i'd be more than happy :grin:

[Meriadoc Brandybuck]

I agree HobbitFriend. I hope it's in the theatrical version, but I'll still be quite happy if it's in the extended version. As long as they use it in either or both versions. I can understand if it wasn't in the theatrical. But putting it in the extended is almost genius because anyone who wants to see it, Tolkien fans and non readers included, they can. I think that as long as we get to see it eventually, it'll work out perfectly.

Still, it would be really nice to see it on the big screen. ;) :thumbs: :p

[HobbitFriend]

yah, now all we need is a very large "big-screen, wide-screen" tv and surround sound.... :p don't forget the popcorn! ;)

[Galadriel]

Okay HobbitFriend you can get a big screen T.V. and I will bring the popcorn lol

[HobbitFriend]

works for me! lol We need the Scouring to be in it though ;) (Special Extended Edition) ~*~ We'll watch all the SE editions of all 3 movies in a row :grin: Darn! if only i did have that TV and surround sound....

[Galadriel]

True but I think your T.V. will work a little better than mine. i mean you have seen it. lol Hey who knows maybe by that time you will have a large sreen t.v. lol

[Reyes Lord]

Personally, I'd love to see the Scouring of the Shire as its own movie! There's all the right elements for it: heros, plots, battles, and a happy ending. Now that would be great! :D

[Grima Wormtongue]

reyes lord, not a bad a idea, maybe even just a shorter film, like an hour or so, thats coudl be great

[Galadriel]

I could see a movie being made just about the scouring. It has all elements of a great movie and I would go see it. :grin:

[HobbitFriend]

Originally posted by Reyes Lord
Personally, I'd love to see the Scouring of the Shire as its own movie! There's all the right elements for it: heros, plots, battles, and a happy ending. Now that would be great! :D
Wow! i hadn't thought of that before! Great idea Ryes Lord!! entdraught Now, if only PJ would read these posts.... ;)

[Galadriel]

hmm... Hobbitfriend even if PJ did read these post he probably has a enough to think about. I mean i would rather he made the Hobbit than the Scourng but who knows.

[HobbitFriend]

i'd rather go with The Hobbit... Maybe PJ should consider doing ALL the Lord of the Rings Movies ;) hahaha Or we could just get PJ to do The Hobbit and have Sean Astin direct a t.v. series/movie of The Silmarillion and The Scouring of the Shire. lol it's not like any of this is gonna happen... but who says we can't DREAM! :snooze: ;)

[Galadriel]

Yes we cna dream :snooze: I dream about many things including LOTR

[HobbitFriend]

lol dreams are a whole other story (thread ;) ) lol but you know what i mean :)

[Grima Wormtongue]

the only thign though, if he did do a mini movie of the scouring, it woudlnt go along with ROTK, with sarumans early death and all.....

[HobbitFriend]

yah, you've got a point there. :huh: idk ~ i'm still hoping for it in the SE edition though.

[Galadriel]

There are just so many twist to the story. I think the best thing to do is NOT have it in the theatrical release. That way all nonbook readers won't get lost or disinterested or what ever else the movie people are worried about :mmmm:. Then they should have the Scouring in the extended version. That way all of us die hard fans can still see our favoirte part :grin:.

[Bard]

a solo version would be great- but the Extended dvd including it would be awesome!!! good point made a while back--- book fans could enjoy it, and nonbookers would be pleased with the theatrical version. i hope soooooo.........

[Meriadoc Brandybuck]

lol Yes, if he read these, he would know. The Scouring would make a good film. Yea, HobbitFriend, you bring the T.V., Galadriel can bring tons of popcorn, and I'll pay for pizza. Turn the lights out, watch the extended with the Scouring, and you have an absolutely perfect day! lol We'll probably do that more than once next year! ;) :p :thumbs:

[Meriadoc Brandybuck]

Yea, I agree. It would be really nice to see the Scouring in the Theatrical, but it might be better for it to be in the extended version for the said reasons. Then, we Tolkien fans would still be happy! :grin: :thumbs: ;) lol :p

[HobbitFriend]

Originally posted by Meriadoc_Brandybuck
lol Yes, if he read these, he would know. The Scouring would make a good film. Yea, HobbitFriend, you bring the T.V., Galadriel can bring tons of popcorn, and I'll pay for pizza. Turn the lights out, watch the extended with the Scouring, and you have an absolutely perfect day! lol We'll probably do that more than once next year! ;) :p :thumbs:
lol yep! Let's get the party started! ;) I really do hope the scouring is in the Extended DVD... but i'm sure we'll be happy with the ending no matter what :)

[Meriadoc Brandybuck]

Originally posted by HobbitFriend
lol yep! Let's get the party started! ;) I really do hope the scouring is in the Extended DVD... but i'm sure we'll be happy with the ending no matter what :)
Most definately! Again, it's a tissue film. But that's what gonna make it terrific (besides having the Scouring). I really hope it's in the extended version. Then, we can have our party and all seven meals! :p ;) :thumbs:

[HobbitFriend]

lol yep! ... Add tissues to that list! lol Ah, darn it! i'm gonna cry at the end! I mean how ironic... LotR is kinda known to be a "war-like" movie. so we'll come out crying. "What movie did you go see?" "*sniff* The *sniff* Lord of the Rings" "?!" roflmao But in all seriousness, it will be sad :( ah, darn it! the movie's gonna be GREAT!

[Galadriel]

Oh yes Hobbitfriend the movie is going to be soo good. I just can't wait. Got to go to the mdnight showing lol. You can drive. Yah we will need a box of tissues each mecry

[Meriadoc Brandybuck]

I feel exactly the same way you do. It's going to be great because it's going to be sad. It'll also be happy. That's what's great about the story. It's sad and happy, and that's cool. *adds tissues to "the list". ;) :p

[HobbitFriend]

i know, it's gonna be wicked good! ~*~ i just noticed how i kept repeating myself: "lol yep!" "ah darn it!" <--roflmao! and i don't usually say "ah darn it!" strange ....... :p

[Galadriel]

Everything strange with you jkjkjk. It going to be soo good but I already stated that lol.

[HobbitFriend]

Uh oh... Now you're turning into me Galadriel! :elfeek:
Okay. Well, i don't think they will or can cut out the entire part of the Scouring.... So, what parts do you think they will have in there? I'm almost positive they'll have Rosie and Elanor, since i keep seeing the Elanor pic. Any other ideas?

[Galadriel]

Def. Elanor and then of course Rosie but who knows what else.
Maybe the Sackville-bagginese :huh:

[HobbitFriend]

yah, maybe the Sackville-Bagginses - i mean they were mentioned in the SEedition DVD :huh:

[Meriadoc Brandybuck]

Yea, they were. Maybe they'll show them taking over Bag End and stuff 'cause you know, and this was said before: the hobbits can't come home and have EVERYTHING the same way it was when they left. You just can't do it. It would be less believable. ;) :p

[Galadriel]

True, it will be really interesting to see how they end ROTK. I mean there are some many possibitlys. Like the whole Scouring, Sharkey, and the Sackville-Bagginese thing. I just can't wait and see what happens

[Meriadoc Brandybuck]

Me either. There are so many possibilities, it's almost funny. lol How do you all think ROTK will end? :p :thumbs:

[HobbitFriend]

there's actually another thread on that exact topic... ;) i think we'd better stick to the Scouring in here :p

[Meriadoc Brandybuck]

Yea, good idea HobbitFriend. It'll probably end with the Grey Havens anyway. Anyway (i'm becoming like you HobbitFriend and Galadriel; repeating stuff ;) ), the Scouring is very cool and it's almost EVERYONE'S favorite chapter (hint, hint, PJ lol). I hope it's at least in the Extended version. It would be awful if it wasn't even in there. :p

[HobbitFriend]

oh no! People are turning into me! the numbers are growing! :elfeek: haha lol I think we've said almost everything there is to say about the Scouring... :p We've squeezed the life out of this thread! lol We need a new one.... *runs over to the Prancy Pony Forum looking for the right thread* ;)

[Meriadoc Brandybuck]

lol Wait! You can never run out of things to talk about when it comes to the Scouring; at least not after a while. lol Let's see...it doesn't matter what order we do them in...what did you all think about the tension between Saruman and Frodo in Bag End. That part sent chills down my spine! How 'bout you? :p ;)

[HobbitFriend]

((Merry is being summoned to a secret council.... lol or just the News Forum :p)) I havn't read the Scouring since August - will have to read again before answering. ;)

[Meriadoc Brandybuck]

lol Ahh, gotcha. ;) I haven't read the books since last August either, but I usually pick it up, choose a chapter and read it. Out of the 62, the Scouring comes really close to my favorite. ;) Anyway, that part is just mind blowing. It would be terrific to see that on screen. :p :thumbs:

[HobbitFriend]

yah. I don't know what my favorite part would be... the whole book is great. But i think if i had to pick one, it wouldn't be the Scouring (it is a great chapter though) I think it would have to be The Bridge of Khazad Dum. When i first read that chapter, i was sitting all alone in my room, at night, and it was completely silent in my house since everyone else had gone to bed. And then when Gandalf was reading the passage from the book: "drums, drums in the deep!... they are coming!" and then the beat of the drums: doom, doom ah, it was like i was actually there! I was so glad when they kept that line in the movie... the way Tolkien described the drum beats "doom" it was just perfect! ~*~ But back to the Scouring... i liked it, but i thought it rather sad.... mecry pauvre Frodo!

[Galadriel]

Back to the scouring. Don't you think that we have talked the scouring to death. What more is there to say about it. If there is anything left saying please let me know because I am clear out of ideas.

[Fairawen]

You know, I thought of something! Why would they not put the Scouring if in Galadriel's Mirror it showed him seeing it like that?

[HobbitFriend]

Well, she did say "It is what will come to pass if you should fail" <- so, we know that they won't necessarily "fail" their mission (there's been discussions concerning that) but they do overthrow Sauron... so, i guess from the movie's point of view, the enemy is dead - no more harm. (though, contrary to the book)

[Fairawen]

True, very true, though you never know til ya see the movie! At least I have that little bit of hope in me!

[HobbitFriend]

:thumbs: hope is always good (we can see that in LotR ;) haha) They may have it in there, who knows :huh: But first that bit, and then no seed box for Sam... :( doesn't look too promising, but like i've said before, i think that no matter what happens with the Scouring, we won't be dissappointed ;)

[Fairawen]

I don't know, when I first saw them (refering to both movies) I kept pointing out all of the things they got wrong. Such as, they made Faramir look like he was worse than Boromir, but I always thought that he had faced temptation and turned it down quickly enough!

[Fairawen]

In the end though, after I had watched them enough, I begin to warm up to them to the point where I can't stop watching them!

[HobbitFriend]

Well, i was upset with the Faramir change too, but it is just an adaption, and i think they made up for Faramir with Sam's speech (IMO), and like we've said before - they really can't leave the WHOLE scouring out... that'd be really disappointing for the fans, but which parts they'll leave in, i don't know. I mean Saruman gets killed by Wormtongue in that chapter, but there have been rumors of an early death of Saruman. :huh: Don't get me wrong - i do hope the Scouring is in there, but so far i havn't seen too much evidence to make me think it will be there. Perhaps the Extended version.

[Galadriel]

maybe who really knows what will be in the finally version.

[Fairawen]

Yo, I know this has, like, nothing to do with the Scouring, but, while I'm in here, I might as well ask! There are chapter names under the avatars like, "A Long Expected Party". But, there are more than that, how do you get diffrent ones?

[Galadriel]

oh the more you posts the more chpaters you get. They have every chapter from all three books. Like I have 600 posts so I am in the chapter a Journay in the Dark. The avatars also change as you post more. :grin:

[HobbitFriend]

Well, you could talk more about this in the avatar thread: http://www.warofthering.net/forums/vbulletin225/upload/showthread.php?threadid=2897&goto=newpost
But to answer your question now, you only get a custom title if you are a moderator or become Member of the Month. The titles up there now are the Chapter Titles and it will go through them until you reach the end, become MotM, or a moderator :thumbs:

[Fairawen]

Wow, you cna become a moderater? cool

[HobbitFriend]

lol yah, but i don't know how. I know when the site first opened they would ask people to be moderators. Right now, all the "postitions" might be filled. ;) But you could always PM or e-mail Fatty or Illuvator to get more information on that. Also check out the Avatar thread :thumbs: ... and i don't think i've welcomed you yet! lol so WELCOME Fairawen! entdraught

[Fairawen]

Aw, thanks!

[Galadriel]

Okay now that we got that whole thing cleared up why don't we get back to the scouring.

[Meriadoc Brandybuck]

Sure. :thumbs: Welcome Fairawen! Don't worry. You don't have to talk about the Scouring just being in the movie. You can express how it was done in the books (i.e. the was it was SUPPOSED to be lol). In my opinion, I think the film NEEDS the Scouring. What I mean by that is, well, for one thing, the way PJ messed up TTT; so that means he has to make ROTK the very best that he can. He wouldn't be doing his best if he cut the Scouring, if you know what I mean. Another thing: less people would see it if the Scouring was just eliminated, in my opinion. Like HobbitFriend said, they can't cut the WHOLE Scouring if they're thinking about it. They just can't do it. Okay, I'm done. ;) :p

[Fairawen]

Your right, unless PJ really, really wants to mess up the movie, and I know he doesn't. By all of the interviews I have seen, he really wants to stick as close as Hollywood will let him.

[Meriadoc Brandybuck]

Yea, that's what I heard as well. "Wants to stay as close to Tolkien as possible." I don't know about you, but if he was really trying to stay as close to Tolkien as possible, he wouldn't have done all of those things to Faramir, he wouldn't have had Aragorn fall off a cliff, and Arwen wouldn't have had so much screen time. I agree with you. I don't think PJ wants to mess up the trilogy more than he already has. The Scouring is completely neccesary. He doesn't have to add his own "stuff", if you know what I mean. :p ;)

[Fairawen]

Yeah, why, oh why did he waste all that time with Aragorn falling off of a imaginary cliff when he could have acctually FINISHED the TT instead of leaving it off in the middle!

[Galadriel]

Well I believe that TTT was well done and can see why Faramoir changed. Also Arwen ha to have screentime they are paying her a lot money. I believe that some form(who knows what kind) of the scouring will be in ROTK :grin:

[Meriadoc Brandybuck]

I think so too Galadriel. And Fairawen, yea, they could have used that extra screen time for the hobbits and the rest of the movie. ;) :p I know that it is nessecary for Arwen to have some screen time, but not THAT much. It just sort of took over the film for a while. If they had finished TTT, they wouldn't be having so much trouble trying to make ROTK work. All of that extra screen time that was cut out is going to be moved to ROTK (as we all already know). Just imagine, (and this is just my opinion on this) if Arwen would have had less screen time, everything would have been moved back to where they were supposed to go and there would be room for the Scouring. O-well, they can't go back and change TTT so we're just going to have to see what they do with ROTK and the Scouring. Okay, I'm done. ;) :thumbs: :p

[Frodo's lass]

Yeah it looks like the scourings not gonna b in the film :( cos Wormtongue kills Saruman at Orthanc, not Bag End! Well thats what it looks like in the pic of him with the knife anyways.......... sob.......

[HobbitFriend]

Welcome Frodo's lass! and unfortunately, i think your right... no scouring mecry As far as the Arwen thing goes: I've accepted most of the changes PJ made, even with the Flight to the Ford. But having Arwen at Helm's Deep is just WRONG! They can't do that! I mean come on... Haldir dies but here's Arwen: Killing Orcs and making Eowyn jealous at the same time! ... uh, no. Having the elves come to Helm's Deep was okay... but Arwen... pfbbt

[Galadriel]

Okay lol guys. I guess most of you are not thrilled with all the screentime that Arwen got. Personally I rather not have Arwen at Helm Deep but if she is there then she must be there for a reason. Also I know everyone is complaing about how if TTT had ended where its suppsoe to end that there would be room for the scouring. I really don't think that they could have ended TTT any differntly. I liked where it ended. The place was perfect and even if it did end after Shelob the scouring probably still wouldn't have made it into ROTK. Okay havee said my peace.

[Meriadoc Brandybuck]

Welcome Frodo's lass! :p I kind of agree. But still, there would have been more room if the whole Osgiliath thing was out. I can accept Elves at Helm's Deep. But Faramir's personality change, he taking Frodo and Sam to Osgiliath, and Arwen at Helm's Deep (thank goodness she wasn't ;) ), is just plain uneccesary. You gotta get on with the story. With all the attention on Arwen, the viewer, especially people who have not read Tolkien, begins to think that the main plot has changed (my mom still can't get over the Ford scene lol ). Sure we know Aragorn and Arwen get married, but it's not the spine of the story. Anyway, cutting all of that extra stuff out would have at least raised the odds of the Scouring staying in ROTK. ;) :p :thumbs:

[Galadriel]

true i have to agree but what is done is done. oh well never give up hope the scouring my still make it in ROTK in some form.

[HobbitFriend]

Yah, and they might have even had time for the Old Forest too! But Galadriel's right: what's done is done. As for the Scouring, there is always the Extended RotK too... who knows how much longer it will be! We may be wonderfully surprised ;)

[Fairawen]

I hope we do, because the Scouring really meant alot in the hobbits lives, especially Frodo! They kept saying how they thought of thier home, and they would do anything to keep it safe, but it ends up not being safe! BTW, Welcome Frodo's Lass!

[Bonos-Girl]

i know that this thread is 18 pages long...and i really don't have time to read them all so someone may have already said this, but i thought that frodo seeing the scouring in the mirror of galadriel was PJ's reference to the scouring, his only refernece.

[Galadriel]

Yah I know that is what we are all thinking too. I heard that was his way of putting the scouring in so he would have time to do other things. Oh well w can always hope and wish, can't we?

[HobbitFriend]

I'm thinkin' Bonos-Girl is right. But as we've said, it would be wrong for them to come home and have everything be like they never left. I'm really looking forward to how PJ is going to end this story. :) It's really going to be great, even if the Scouring isn't in there. Back to the whole Mirror thing - the non-reader audience might be confused if PJ did have the Scouring, especially for the people who really payed attention, because in the movie Galadriel said that that's what would happen if they failed... I think i've already said that actually, but you know what i mean ;)

[Galadriel]

I think we are now all just repeating ourselves. Basically we ahve said all there is to say. We as book readers hope thscouring is in but the nonbook readers but understand the movie better without the scouring. Which ever way it goes weill just have to wait and see.

[Fairawen]

Well said Galadriel!

[Meriadoc Brandybuck]

Yes, I heard that as well. But I thought he said that in 2001. I could be wrong, but that's when I heard about that. Anything can change now. ;) I agree Galadriel, what's done is done.
I also agree with HobbitFriend and Fairawen. They can't cut the whole Scouring out. Unless they find another way, I don't think it would be very realistic to the viewers if the Hobbits went back and had everything exactly the way it was. ;) :p :thumbs:

[Meriadoc Brandybuck]

I'll second that one! ;)

[Fairawen]

I'll third it and fourth it and and quaduple it! That's probably not a real word, oh well! roflmao

[Galadriel]

Yah well with what Merry says about how the hobbits can go bakc and have everything the same, Why not? Galadriel said in the Fellowship that what Frodo saw int he mirror would come to pass if he failed in the mission. As we all know Frodo does suscced so they probably won't show much of the scouring at all. It just wouldn't fit into the movie very well. I think we will all be pleasently suprised when the film finally comes out.

[HobbitFriend]

i'll second that :thumbs:

[Fairawen]

I don't know...

[HobbitFriend]

Originally posted by Galadriel
I think we will all be pleasently suprised when the film finally comes out.
Originally posted by Fairawen
I don't know...
Are you having doubts about the ending? I think it will be a very good ending, but all we can do right now is hope, and i don't want to be looking at spoilers ;) So, i'm just going to wait and see for myself... at the midnight showing! (yep, my mom actually said she'd even come herself! :whoohoo: so, i'm excited!) But i've got faith... Faith that PJ won't let us down... It's going to be great ~ but that's only my thoughts; unfortunately, i don't know this for a fact :huh:

[Fairawen]

Yeah. Unfortunatly, my parents won't let me go to see the first viewing at midnight, we probably won't see it until the weekend! *GULP!* What if I die of anticipation before then?

[Little Devil]

I don't think there's going to be a midnight showing, I'm really sure, though my parents probably wont let me anyways.

[HobbitFriend]

:elfeek: no midnight showing?! why not? :( they had one for FotR and TTT...

[Galadriel]

They better have a Midnight showing especially since you mother said that youould go and brinme HobbitFriend. I am soo looking forward to it, you know?

[HobbitFriend]

oh, i know! i really hope they have the midnight showing! you know... the day it comes out... that midnight. I'm really looking forward to it.

[Meriadoc Brandybuck]

I sure hope so! I'm pretty sure that my theater will have it. It did for FOTR and TTT as HobbitFriend said. It would be strange if they didn't.
lol It would be really fun to see the Scouring on the big screen at 3:00 in the morning! :p

[HobbitFriend]

lol yah, that'd wake everyone up! "Woa! the scouring! didn't think that was supposed to be in there!" lol

[Galadriel]

lol yah that sure would. I am sure everyone would be like whats happening?

[Fairawen]

Haha! Yeah, that would be sooooo funny!

[Meriadoc Brandybuck]

lol Yea, people would start to think, "Am I dreaming?" or something. Some would be totally delirious, jumping out of their skin, depending what time it would be since they're saying ROTK is going to be much longer than 3 hours. That is going to be so funny! I can't wait! :p :thumbs: ;)

[Ludibunda]

'Twas filmed, Infected Hobbit. Check out the Hobbit Trailer seen in News section. - A farce I think, but includes footage of Hobbiton burning. Suppose it was cut, so....here's to watching the movies AND reading the books!

[Ludibunda]

Apologies, Infected Hobbit. Was reading on another thread that the teaser trailer included scenes from DragonHeart and so the burning town may not have been our Hobbiton.

[Meriadoc Brandybuck]

I heard about that. I didn't get to see the preview though. And infected hobbit, I did hear they didn't film it, but there's always the re-shoots. You never know. :p ;) :thumbs:

[Fairawen]

Ok, who is Infected Hobbit?

[Meriadoc Brandybuck]

Infected Hobbit replyed on the thread much earlier. We were just going back to what he said about the Scouring being filmed or not. ;) :p :)

[Fairawen]

Ahh... ok. Just a little confused! ;)

[Meriadoc Brandybuck]

Anyway, there is always a chance that they could film the Scouring. ;) :p :thumbs:

[Bonos-Girl]

couldn't the bits fo hobbiton burnoing have come from in galadriels mirror...i dunno whether there is that much footage of it burning though...

[Galadriel]

I really don't know. I think Hobbitton was burning in Galadriel mirror. I remember there were some scenes but it was a really quick.

[Fairawen]

Yeah, but it was only burning briefly, then they showed it black like it had been burned, but then she said that would happen if he failed. Sooo.... I'm confused!

[Galadriel]

I think that PJ just wanted to eleminate the scourng so he showed it ihe mirror and said that is what will happeif Frodo fails whh we all know he doesn't so in turn that means that PJ can eleminate the scouring

[Fairawen]

WhAA! mecry
I'm sad! The Scouring is important!
Well, since nobody has actually seen it, we can stil hope that they don't come back and everything is honkey-dorey. I mean, it would be soooo cheesy to just come back and everything is ok!

[Galadriel]

Yah but as we have all stated before some part of the scouring will probably be in it.

[Fairawen]

Yeah...

[Meriadoc Brandybuck]

Yea, I guess. :p I hope a lot of it is in there. lol Yea, everything can't be all honkey-doorey. That would be as cheesy as Saruman falling out of a window! ;)

[Galadriel]

Which I heard may still happen

[HobbitFriend]

Oh, gosh, i really hope they don't make him die like that! I heard they filmed many differen't deaths of Saruman (since he most-likely won't die during the Scouring...) it will be like "which Death of Saruman would you most like? Please choose one." lol

[Meriadoc Brandybuck]

lol We'd like him to die the RIGHT way, duh! :p Yea, HF, I heard they filmed 5 deaths. I don't think they specified though, but I did hear in an interview with Christopher Lee that one of them was the Scouring death. So that's definately one of the 5. What the other 4 are, I dunno. Just how many ways can a corrupted Wizard die? Impalement is undoubtedly not one of them. ;)

[Fairawen]

Funny HobbitFriend, funny! ;)

[Meriadoc Brandybuck]

Someone should put a poll here and ask that very question! They could have a whole list of deaths and people could choose which one they want. We could at least hope that PJ was browsing these forums. :p

[Fairawen]

Ha! We should pick, "He commited suicide cause he felt soooo guilty!" Haha, rofl!

[Meriadoc Brandybuck]

roflmao That could at least be one of the choices!

[HobbitFriend]

Originally posted by Fairawen
Ha! We should pick, "He commited suicide cause he felt soooo guilty!" Haha, rofl!
roflmao hahaha Okay, then! If there isn't already a thread on Saruman's death, then i'll post one... but i gotta go check first ;)

EDIT: ah, there's already a thread on it... darn! i wanted to see what people chose! lol here's the link: http://www.warofthering.net/forums/vbulletin225/upload/showthread.php?s=&threadid=3117 :thumbs:

[Meriadoc Brandybuck]

Thanx HF. But how Saruman dies greatly depends on if there's a Scouring or not, or vice versa. Of course, we hope he dies the right way (not cheesy impalement, or anything else that is). The tension between Saruman and Frodo is really intense in the books, and would look really cool on screen. :thumbs: :p

[Meriadoc Brandybuck]

According to the pics we've seen, we know that a scene was shot with Grima (SPOILER for those who haven't read the books) cutting Saruman's throat in the Shire AND somewhere else (possibly at Orthanc). Anyway, we can hope for justice to Tolkien towards the end of LOTR (as any fan would do, of course!) :p :thumbs:

[Fairawen]

Yeah, you wouldn't BELIEVE how totally mad I was when the first movie came out cause it was diffrent then the books. I was FURIOUS! You can imagine what it was like when I watched the TT, sheesh! My family was like, "Calm down! They always change the things in movies!" I'm ok now though, :) They had just better not mess up the ROTK too bad or I'm going to go into fits or something! :) ;)

[Meriadoc Brandybuck]

lol I know exactly how you feel! My mom went into fits all the time about the differences in FOTR. Then, she saw TTT and then suddenly, FOTR wasn't so bad! lol I seriously hope that ROTK is (as PJ's been saying) the "best" of all three films. I hope no changes are made that aren't necessary for the film (like any personality changes for example! lol). We all hope that the best scenes aren't cut out. I don't care how long it is. :thumbs: :p

[Fairawen]

Yeah, I definetly agree! :)

[Meriadoc Brandybuck]

:) So what did you think about the Scouring in the books? Like, what was your favorite part? One of mine was when the Hobbits met the "Sheriffs" and that whole debate. lol :p

[Galadriel]

I don't know if I had a favorite part. It was all soo sad them coming home and finding everything changed and stuff

[Meriadoc Brandybuck]

Yea, especially when all the pubs and inns were closed and how everything was so different. Thank goodness Tolkien put some comic relief in there! ;) :thumbs:

[Galadriel]

Yah I know. I don't know what I would have done without it.

[Meriadoc Brandybuck]

I do. I would have cried! mecry I cried a little even with the comic relief. At least the ending was great. That whole thing between Sharkey and Frodo was incredible! :thumbs:

[Galadriel]

Yah I know. It was just amazing. One of my favorites parts.

[Meriadoc Brandybuck]

Definately, to name one! I was so startled when I found out who Sharkey was for the first time! I would have never guessed. :p

[Galadriel]

Oh I know. I was really surprised I even let out a shout of surprise and my mom was like whats the matter lol

[Meriadoc Brandybuck]

lol The first time I read it, I read it with my mom. When I found out, my jaw dropped, and I was like, Oh my gosh! After I settled down, I got scared at the thought of (SPOILER) SARUMAN in the SHIRE, and what he could do. Creepy, but it keeps the story interesting! :thumbs: :p

[Fairawen]

Actually, I kinda figured it was him. I mean, who else could it be other than Sharkey? I mean, they saw him on the way there, so it was knida a little hit, I mean hint, I spell like I sound! (My nose is blocked!)

[Meriadoc Brandybuck]

lol Yea, I thought that when they passed him on the road, that that was going to be the last they saw of him. Was I wrong! I was going through all the people Sharkey could possibly be. I never thought it was Saruman. I was also wondering who in Middle-earth could "Chief" be! That was kind of a shock to find out that it was one of Frodo's family members. ;)

[Fairawen]

Yeah, you'd think it would maybe be the other way around!

Anyway, I got one of the biggest breakthroughs here! I'm sooooo happy! I can't confirm nor deny this here, but a guy in Chicago went to some kind of convention and said someone was selling the ROTK trailer for $20! Well, the guy who saw the man selling the trailer was alowed to watch it. Wow! He said that on a path, at night, Grima was lunging at something, KNIFE DRAWN! It must have been not finished or something, but the point is, it's out there, it's awsome, AND IT SHOWS GRIMA AT.... YOU KNOW WHERE!!!!!
I'm so happy I'm crying mecry

[Meriadoc Brandybuck]

lol Well, I'm sorry to make you cry even more, but AintItCoolNews confirmed that that whole thing was %100 hoax. Darn. Would have been nice though. Besides, it said something about Pippin jumping and pulling Faramir off of the death bed. That's pretty far-fetched, in my opinion. O-well, still would have been nice. ;) :p

[Galadriel]

Yah It would have been.

[Meriadoc Brandybuck]

I at least hope that some of that stuff that guy made up are in the theatrical trailer. I can't wait till May! lol :thumbs:

[Periantari Andruil]

so what is everyone's favorite part of the Scouring? =)

[semuta]

my favorite part: I know it's not in the actual chapter, but it's when Sam plants the Mallorn seed and starts rebuilding the Shire's trees and forests. The rest is just really really sad.

[Meriadoc Brandybuck]

Well, ONE of my favorite parts is when the Hobbits meet the
"Sheriffs", the sheriffs tell them that they're arrested, and the Hobbits just burst out laughing. lol Other parts I liked were the Battle of Bywater and seeing Sam, Frodo, Rosie, and Elanor together. :thumbs:

[HobbitFriend]

lol i really liked the "Shirrif" part as well, Meriadoc. Their sarcasm is so funny too, (not very hobbit-like actually) and the way they are just presented when they come back to the Shire: it's like they are completely different "people" than when they left. They just change so much from war and being out on their own and having to pretty much defend themselves.... they were much wiser and more aware of others rather than themselves. :thumbs: ...and i liked how Tolkien showed us how things change - even a once beautiful and peaceful place such as the Shire. :)

[Meriadoc Brandybuck]

Yea, I agree. Tolkien could not have done better, in my opinion. :thumbs: That is just one of the many themes expressed in the Scouring, and the rest of the story. I loved it. Yea, the sarcasm was great. Even though some of the Scouring is very sad, Tolkien threw just enough comic relief in there to make it lovable. lol :p

[HobbitFriend]

yah, i don't think i would have made it without the comic relief ;) haha