In Elvish please..

[Elf angel]

:whoohoo: :wiggle:

I desperately want to learn elvish. So many questions like how to say "you're a pest..get out from my room!" to a certain annoying little bro:trout:...

Teach meeeee...oh yeah another one "to wherever it may lead" ..
how to say that in elvish?


:angel:

[Black Rider]

i wanted to learn elvish this summer, but i never got around to it. i was too busy doing schoolwork (can you believe it?!?!?!?!) so i want to pick up a few phrases over time and possibly learn it over a few yrs or so. so i need to start osmosing some now lol

[Gatsby]

amen, i wicked want to learn it!! does anyone know of any books or web sites or other resources?
out
gatsby

[Eowyn]

wow! I had intended to learn this summer as well! We'll have to learn together.

[Galadriel]

yeah. me too. me too

[Arwen Elf]

Is there an Elvish dictionary. That would be good, or a CD that helps you pronounce the words, like this French CD I recently checked out from the library. . . . Just think, to be able to speak a language that few know. . . :) :) :)

[Elf angel]

Wicked. I found this on the net..
ni na elde - how are you?
nai valaraukar tye - may the balrog eats you.
lol cute.
:angel:

[Akiba]

!me too. me too.
I have wanted to learn elvish for the longest time but never really kept with the desire thanks for the two phrase it's something compared to what I know umm which would be nothing somebody please help

[Elf angel]

emmm..where are the Elvish experts when we need them?:mmmm::(

[Orkybash]

All the elvish I know is from the movie...

Though I'll have to remember the Balrog one!

[Black Rider]

i can never remember any of the phrases. it's not like french where it's related to english, it's soo confusing. i'll put it on my "before i die" things-to-do list

[Illuvatar]

Be patient my children.........

I created this board at the request of some real die hard elvish speaking, elvish writing Tolkien obsessed individuals, and I'm sure that within short order all your wishes and wants for learning the Elven languages will be fufilled!

Illu:cool:

[Sindarin]

Is there an Elvish dictionary?

"The Languages of Tolkien's Middle-earth" by Ruth S. Noel.

A complete guide to all fourteen of the languages Tolkien invented.

This is the book I use. :read:

It contains a dictionary of all non-English words, an English/Elvish glossary, rules of grammar and pronunciation; translations, how to write Elvish and other alphabets and runes.

[Arwen Elf]

THANK YOU!!!!! The problem would be finding the book. . . . .

[Eowyn]

I have to find that book!

[Orkybash]

Amazon.com has it here (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0395291305/qid=1030813699/sr=8-1/ref=sr_8_1/104-8875863-4249569?v=glance&s=books&n=507846) .

[Wilwarin]

Hi guys! I finally found this forum! You will be happy to know that I have been studding both Quenya and Sinarin for a whole year now, so I will probibly be able to answer a lot of your questions (at least I hope I can!). Elvish is one of my favorite parts of LOTR and I am glad this forum is here now. I don't know anyone who I can talk Elvish with!

By the way, Elf angel, I answered your question in your Elvish Language thread in the Prancing Pony.

As for the book that Sindarin suggested: Get it!!! I have this book and it has helped me a lot! I got mine at Barns and Noble Book Stores.

The only problem with the book that I found is that the dictionary is not compleat. So I have solved the problem for me by making my own Sindarin and Quenya Word List compiled from many different sources, some from the NET, and some from other books. If anyone would like a copy you can send me self addressed stamped envelope and I can send one out to you (of course, I must restict this offer to the USA only, sorry!) The list that I compiled is a very nice companion to the book.

I would love to know if there are any other Elvish "scholars" here besides me. Show yourselves guys!

I will check back here as often as I can, until then, Namárië, mellano (farewell, my friends).



Kathryn Howshall
P.O. Box 207
La Grange, KY 40031

[Orkybash]

I'd love to have the list!

Expect a SASE soon. ^^

[Eowyn]

no fair I live in England :(

[Akiba]

Originally posted by orkybash
I'd love to have the list!

Expect a SASE soon. ^^
yeah nothing else to say so yeah :grin:

[Elf angel]

*off to Prancing pony......*

[Wilwarin]

Elf Angel, Here is the phrase you posted at the top of this thread translated into Quenya:

"Get out of my room!" is...

"Celeth o anim sammath!"

It literaly translates: "Go out of my chambers".


Here is how you pronounce the words:


Celeth [KEL-eth]

o [oh]

anim [AH-neem]

sammath [SAM-math] (pronounce both 'm's, like in roommate.)

[Elf angel]

Thank you..If anyone ask you to translate this to Elvish - "my sister look like an orc" or something like that...please ignore it.;)

:angel:

[Wilwarin]

Oh... yes, of course!

[Wilwarin]

:cool:


Update on the Elvish word list:

For those of you who are sending, or going to send me a SASE for the Elvish word list that I compiled from several different sources, I have an update. I am in the prossess of updating my list right now, adding a lot more words to it that I have been collecting up from all over for the last year. I would love to be able to send you this new, updated list, however, it is going to be much larger than the old one, so it will cost more to send.

The old list has approx. 1,000 words in both Quenya and Sindarin. I am adding up to 400 new words to it. The old list is 6 pages, but the new one will be anywhere from 8 to10 pages. Six pages is just under the mark where it gets to be too heavy for standard letter shipping (one 36¢ stamp).

So if you want the updated list I would have to send it in a larger envelope, which will cost about $1.00 so send. So if you send me a dollar I will send you the new, updated list, pluss a Tengwar Summery sheet, and a pronuciation guide. The Tengwar Summery sheet has all the Elvish letters on it, pluss the Cirth letters (the kind the Dwarves used). It also has the Elvish number characters, something the books don't have! (I found this on a web site quite a while ago. I would just give you the link to it, but I forgot where I found it!!) The pronunciation guide is complete, and shows you how to pronounce all of the elvish letters. (This guide is more complete than the one published in the LotR or the Silmarillion.)

So, if you want the old list with approx. 1,000 words, send me a LSASE. That's all.

If you want the new list with over 400 added words, pluss the Tengwar Summery sheet and the pronunciation guide, send me $1.00, and your address. (The lists are free, I just need the dollar for shipping) :p

I will send the list out to you as soon as I recive your request!

That's all. I hope that's not too inconvenient for some of you.

Once again, I can only ship in the USA. Sorry!

Oh yeah! Include your screen name with you order so I know who you are! ;)


Here again is my address:

Kathryn Howshall
PO Box 207
La Grange, KY 40031

[Eowyn]

what does 'Nayes Umalith' mean I keep reading it and thinking hmmmm.... I wonder? :huh: just curious!

[Wilwarin]

lol It simply means "It is raining"

Though I think I should change it since it is not raining anymore! :p

[Ghâsh]

Hey guys, go here for a link to an elvish dictionary....

http://www.angelfire.com/retro/striderdollz/main2.html

It should be on the link list somewere...hope it helps

[Eowyn]

thanks!

[Elf angel]

Wilwarin, can you translate this for me please..
dolle naa lost.
helkaer.
lasta lalaithamin.

Its from my bro & he said that they were compliments...it had better not be you look like an orc or something...

Thanks

[Eowyn]

lasta lalaithamin doesn't that mean listen to my laughter. I think :huh: well lasta is definately listen I know that much. I think!

[Wilwarin]

Yes, "lasto" is listen, and "lalaith" is laughter. I'll have to look up the rest. I'll get back to you in a little while.

[Wilwarin]

OK, here is what I came up with:

"dolle" could be the Qunya word for "hidden", but i'm not sure on that.

"na" is the Quenya word for "is", and "lost" means "empty".

"helkaer" would be something like "icy sea", "cold sea", or "frozen sea" (go figure!) :rolleyes:


"lasta" is "listen" and "lalaith" is "laughter" like I already said. I'm not sure exactly what the entire thing means, it very well could mean "listen to my laughter", but I am not compleatly sure.

So let's see... how would that go?...

"Hidden is empty, icy sea, listen to my laughter". Hmm... Me thinks your brother was just trying to impress you with his "knowlege" of Elvish! :p (but I could be wrong. My Elvish dictionary is undergoing a compeat overhaul right now, so it is hard for me to find all the words I need!) :blush:

I'll try again after I get it all updated and straightened out.

[TheRingBearer]

I always found pronoucing (sp?) elvish would be the hardest for me to learn... or just remembering it. After five years of doing French I can hardly remember a thing lol

[Eowyn]

I know that feeling! I did french for 5 years but 2 years on I can't remember much! Bonjour...... erm.... thats my limit especially after a drink! sorry! :blush:

[Wilwarin]

Pronouncing it is my favorite part!!

[Tar-Ancalimë]

Can anyone tell me how to spell what they say in the movie?
(in elvish of course)

[Eowyn]

I think I'm getting the hang of pronouncing things but I can't spell in English let alone elvish!

Tar-Ancalimë that sounds like a lot of work but I'm sure someone can help Wilwarin is really good at this but might not have time whilst translating everyones names and stuff! but you never know :grin: try repeating it after them! might help!

[Tar-Ancalimë]

See, I can say what they say (except for "the road is too dangerous"! I CANNOT understand what he says there!!) but I can't remember it except for a few seconds. If I had it written down it would help a lot! but I don't want to write it incorrectly.

[Wilwarin]

Never fear! I just happen to already have it written down! :p

OK, this is the scene of Arwen and Aragorn in Rivendel:


Arwen: A si i - dhúath ú - orthor, Aragorn. ú or le a ú or nin."
(The shadow does not hold sway yet, not over you and ot over me.)

Later, on the bridge:


Arwen: Renech i lui erui govannem?
(Do you remember when we first met?)

Aragorn: Nauthannen i ned ol reniannen.
(I thought I had strayed into a dream)

Arwen: Gwenwin in enninath... u-arnech in naeth i si celich.
(Long years have passed... you do not have the cares you carry now)

Renech i beth i pennen?
(Do you remember what I told you?)

[Tar-Ancalimë]

WOW!!!
Thanksxamillion!

And, if you have this too, what about the scene that starts, "Frodo! I'm Arwen, I've come to help you"
and then Aragorn says, "Stay with the hobbits"?

[Wilwarin]

Never fear! I just happen to already written down! :p

This is the scene where Arwen comes to help Frodo:


Aragorn: Dartho guin berian. Rych le ad tolthathon.
(Stay with the Hobbits. I will send horses for you)

Arwen: Hon mabathon. Rochon ellint im.
(I'll take him. I am, the faster rider)

Frodo fir. A athridan i hir, tur gwaith nin beriatha hon.
(Frodo is dying. If I can get across the river, the power of my people will protect him)



Then Arwen commanding the River to flood:


Arwen: Nino Chithaeglir, lasto beth daer.
(Waters of the Misty Mountains, listen to the great word)

Rimmo nin Bruinen dan in Ulaer!
(Flow waters of Loudwater against the Ringwraiths!)

(She repeats this twice in the movie)

[Wilwarin]

I'll have to get back to you about the part where Arwen is talking to Frodo. I don't have that part written down yet.

[Tar-Ancalimë]

Hey, as far as I'm concerned, you're already my life-long hero (next to Legolas, of course) and whether you get that line or not, I LOVE YA!

I've been looking for those words forever. Then I came here. Is this a nice world or what?

[HobbitFriend]

wow, Wilwarin.... you're really good. Are you studying Elvish or something? also, any ideas on an "easy" way to learn it - it seems kinda hard.... not like French or Spanish where there are words that are similar to english.

[Elf angel]

Originally posted by Wilwarin

"Hidden is empty, icy sea, listen to my laughter". :blush:



It seems to me that he's trying to say i'm cold as the sea...???emmm...verymad

:angel:

[Wilwarin]

Well thank you, Tar-Ancalimë! *feels loved* :cuddles:


Yes, actually I have been studding Elvish for over a year now. As for an easy way to learn it? Well... you can try something I did. If you have the After Dark screen saver on your computer, go to the one called "Who Says?" It is one where you can put your own quotes on it. I just typed a bunch of Elvish words and phrases on mine, then when ever my screen saver came on I was learning Elvish! :thumbs:

[Wilwarin]

Alright, here's the rest of those lines from the movie :grin:


When Arwen comes to help Frodo and she is all shiny and glowy:

Arwen: Frodo, Im Arwen, telien lethai...
(Frodo, I am Arwen, I've come to help you)

Lasto beth nin, tolo ton en galad.
(Hear my voice, come back to the light)


Here is the part where Aragorn says "The road is too danerous". It took me so long to fugure out the exact words he was saying! He was talking so fast! at first I thought he said "an i luin men" but that would mean "the road is blue"! :blush: lol So I kept backing up the scene and listening to it over and over and over... you get the idea, you've probibly done the same ;) Anyway, this is what I finally heard!

"An delui men" [on DEL-oo-ee men] It means literaly "the road is horrible" I'm sure they just translated it the way it is in the movie for our better understanding.

There, hope that helps :cool:

[HobbitFriend]

Thanks Wilwarin! That's a great idea... learning a little at a time. Even now i know a few phrases. ;)

[Wilwarin]

:cool:



I thought it would be fun to post the rest of the Elvish lines spoken in the film, even the minor ones. So here goes...


Elrond's battle cry:

Have you ever wondered what Elrond says at the begining douring the battle? You knew he was yelling something, and since you couldn't understand him you probibly figured it was in Elvish. Well, you were right, here is the translation.

Elrond: Tangodo haid! Hado i philinn!
(Hold [your] positions! Fire the arrows!)


Then there's that one part just before the Flight to the Ford, when Arwen and Aragorn are deciding who should take Frodo. After she finally convinces him that she should do it, he says something in Elvish that sounds like he is giving in to her wish, but it doesn't give a caption for it. This is what he said:

Aragorn: Be iest lîn.
(According to your wish)


And then there's that part that I'm sure we all thought was just really freaky! When we see Elronds face for the first time :o He is in this half dream of Frodo's and he is speaking in Elvish. this is what he said:

Elrond: Frodo, lasto beth nîn, tolo dan na ngalad.
(Frodo, hear my voice, come back to the light)


Aragorn at the Council of Elrond, telling Legolas to sit down:

Aragorn: Havo dad, Legolas.


Aragorn to Haldir in Lórien: Haldir o Lórien. Henio, aníron, boe ammen i dulu lîn. Boe ammen veriad lîn.
(Basicly: Haldir from Lórien. Please understand, we need your protection)

:cool:

[Wilwarin]

And you thought that was all???


The spell that Gandalf says on Caradhras: Losto Caradhras, sedho, hodo, nuitho i 'ruith.
(Sleep Caradhras, be still, lie still, hold [your] wrath)


Gandalf's Moria Gate spells:

The one where he yells it out the first time: Annon Edhellen edro hi ammen!
(Gate of the Elves open now for me!)

Then later when he is muttering in the back ground: Ando Eldarinwa a lasta quenttanya, fenda Casarinwa!
(Gate of Elves listen to my word, Threshold of the Dwarves)

( the first one was in Sindarin and the second was in Quenya) :p


Then there's the spell that Saruman spoke to the mountain while standing on the top of Orthanc: Cuiva nwalca Carnirassë! Nai yarvaxëa rasselya taltuva ñotto-carinnar!
(Wake up cruel Redhorn! May your blood-stained horn fall upon the enemy-heads)


There, I think that's all... if there's more that I am forgetting, just tell me and I'll see if I can figure it out too. :cool:

[Nessa]

Those translations are incredible!!! :grin:

I never actually thought about what those lines meant..... this will add something new to the film. :thumbs: Thanks, Wilwarin.

[Arwen, Elven Princes]

*Pushes through crowd*
Where!? where can I learn Elvish, I want to learn it SO bad!! And if I can learn it I want it to be the language used in the movie, PLEASE!!! Please, please, please! help me learn elvish!! (I mean like the whole language, not just a few nouns and verbs, maybe even become fluent in it):whoohoo: :whoohoo:
Is there like a book you can get or something...

[Wilwarin]

No, unfortunately there is no one book that I know of that has the complete Elvish language in it, or one that teaches you how to speak it fluently. The book, "The Languages of Tolkien's Middle-earth" by Ruth S. Noel is a pretty good place to start though. But I must say that the book is very incomplete! It contains less than half of the known Elvish words. Pluss it has no phrases that can do anyone any good, only phrases taken from the books. It does give give a pretty good review of the gramer and sentance structure though. I would suggest starting with that book, it will keep you busy for a while. Then if you go to the internet and type in key word "Elvish" you'll find a whole lot to work with. There are over 115,000 sites that have some kind of Elvish theme to them out there!


Just to make it easyer when you are trying to learn the language... The one they speak in the movie is Sindarin. The other is Quenya. Quenya is like the Elvish "Latin" and was not spoken by the Elves in everyday life. Sindarin is the common speach of the Elves, and , in my opinion, a lot easyer to pronounce! The only Quenya spoken in the movie is Galadriel's "Namárië" [farewall] and Saruman's chant up on the top of Orthannc (see above post).

If you' really, really want to learn Elvish that bad, I would go to Elvish.org. there are some real Elvish scholors there who really know what they are talking about. (I'm affraid I am just a hopeless wanabe. No matter what anyone here may tell you! But I'm getting there) :blush:

I hope that helps. Of course, you could always just hang around here for a while. You're bound to learn something!

[Wilwarin]

Originally posted by TheRingBearer
I always found pronoucing (sp?) elvish would be the hardest for me to learn... or just remembering it. After five years of doing French I can hardly remember a thing lol


Check out this (http://www.dcs.ed.ac.uk/misc/local/TolkLang/pronguide.html) site! It teaches you how to pronounce all the Elvish letters. It even has sound bites so you can hear exactly with out a doubt how to pronounce them right. Very helpfull! :thumbs:

[Tar-Ancalimë]

OK, Wilwarin. You missed a bit. (But onyl a bit!) What about the VEEERY beginning of the movie, where she says, "The world is changed" &c. There are definately Elvish words in the background there!!!
So what are they?

But beside that you answered my question. UR AWESOME!!!

[Catz]

Ahhhh cool!!!:cool: ....you got that bit of Elronds in the battle....i just could not figure out what he was saying there...
Thanks Wilwarin :thumbs: :grin: :cool:
:catz:

[Wilwarin]

OK, I didn't post that part on perpose because I thought everyone already knew it! You can slap me with a trout if you want to :blush:

Here it is:



"I amar prestar aen"
(the world has changed)

"Han mathon ne nen"
(I feel it in the water)

Han mathon ne chae"
(I feel lit in the earth)

"A han nestron ned wilith"
(I smell it in the air)

[Tar-Ancalimë]

OK thx...

I guess I'm just dumb. Thanks. Now I can amaze my family when I show them this... we've been talking about it the longest time. My brother's thing was the wizard's spells on Caradhras... now I get to sell these to him (ha ha)

[Arwen, Elven Princes]

Wilwarin,
Do you know elvish? Quenya and Sindarin?

[Wilwarin]

Um... Yes, I do know Elvish, both Quenya and Sindarin.

Have you read all the previous posts? Or any of my other threads on this board?

[Tar-Ancalimë]

you go girl... only tell em in elvish not english lol

[Elf angel]

Originally posted by Arwen, Elven Princes
Wilwarin,
Do you know elvish? Quenya and Sindarin?

I just had to do this..:rolleyes: lol roflmao

Hi there Arwen..:grin:
:evilcool:

[Arwen, Elven Princes]

What? What's so funny? (I won't be offended.)
But Wilwarin, how do you know Elvish?

[Wilwarin]

Originally posted by Tar-Ancalimë
you go girl... only tell em in elvish not english lol


OK, how's this?

Pedon i Hedhellem
(I speak the tounges of the Elves) :)


Arwen, I've studied it for over a year, that's how.:cool:

[Tar-Ancalimë]

:)
:)
cool (whats that in elvish? or an equivilent?)

[Wilwarin]

Hmm... I don't know. I'll have to look that one up.

[Tar-Ancalimë]

ok... you don't need to... i was simply wondering...

[Elf angel]

Originally posted by Wilwarin

Pedon i Hedhellem
(I speak the tounges of the Elves) :)
Arwen, I've studied it for over a year, that's how.:cool:

You have a way with languages Wilwarin (blessed by the valar)..
I wish i can say "pedon i hedhellem"...mecry..but i'm learning..& learn i will!! :thumbs:
:evilcool:
(psst this is my 1st post for the day ;))

[Wilwarin]

Oh! Well, congrats on your first post of the day! ;) lol

[Arwen, Elven Princes]

What do you mean "studied" it? who,what,when,where and how did you study it? Come on! Details, Details!!!!!!

[Wilwarin]

I'm sure that if you took the time to go back and read the previous posts your questions will be answered. :)

I just don't have the time to explain it all again!! :( ;) :grin:

[Eowyn]

Originally posted by Elf angel


You have a way with languages Wilwarin (blessed by the valar)..
I wish i can say "pedon i hedhellem"...mecry..but i'm learning..& learn i will!! :thumbs:
:evilcool:
(psst this is my 1st post for the day ;))


I completely agree. I'm learning and I will get there!:grin:

[Wilwarin]

:gofatty: Go Elf angel and Eowyn!

[Tar-Ancalimë]

Well I'm a language fanatic so im interested in every single language in exsistence!

Which includes Elvish!

[Arwen, Elven Princes]

W-wait a minute now, are you learning Qyenya or Sindarin, Eowyn and Elf angle? Because I want to learn Sindarin, that way I'll have a better understand of when they speak elf in the movie.

[Eowyn]

I hope to learn both but I'm starting with Sindarin!

[Arwen, Elven Princes]

What are you using to learn Sindarin?

[Elf angel]

Originally posted by Arwen, Elven Princes
W-wait a minute now, are you learning Qyenya or Sindarin, Eowyn and Elf angle? Because I want to learn Sindarin, that way I'll have a better understand of when they speak elf in the movie.

Sindarin & Quenya actually..but more towards Sindarin..
In the movie they speak Quenya..i think..am i right Wil?:grin:

[Wilwarin]

No, silly, they speak Sindarin in the movie! :p

Only Saruman speaks Quenya when he his commanding Caradhras to fall on the Fellowship.

Also, all the place names in ME are Sindarin.

[Eowyn]

Originally posted by Arwen, Elven Princes
What are you using to learn Sindarin?

I'm using sites people have mentioned. and the stuff in the books (the confusing stuff at the back.) I can pronouce things, just about, if I'm shown the words. I haven't learned enough to make up phrases but I have a list of words and phrases that I've gathered.

although I keep confusing the two and its getting annoying. any tips wil?

[Elf angel]

Originally posted by Elf angel

Sindarin & Quenya actually..but more towards Sindarin..


Actually i was answering Arwen's question on which one of the elves languages that i'm (really) trying to learn..not the movie.
But since you say it's Sindarin (in the movie)..cool.:grin:

[Isiltári]

Ahh! But remember, in addition to Saruman's "curse" to bring destruction to Caradhras, Elrond's battle cry in the beginning of the movie is Quenya, and of course, Galadriel's farewell to Frodo. ;)

Quenya was, in the 3rd age, still known by most Elves but not spoken as a mother-tongue -- it was used mainly for ceremony or for lore and song.........(I swear I have read Appendix E so many times it's ridiculous, lol...).

[Eowyn]

you seem to be able to quote it!

you haven't read it too much until you can say a quote and what page its on! if you can say which line STOP READING IT NOW!

[Isiltári]

If I were able to quote the page it is on, I would probably start worrying about myself lol.........

Can anyone think of another battle cry, or should we move on to other translations?

Also....what would you guys think if we had separate threads for Quenya and Sindarin translations? Might keep the confusion down to the minimum, especially since a lot of beginners have trouble distinguishing the two languages and end up mixing/matching......

[Tar-Ancalimë]

YES YES YES!!!!!!!!!!
YOURE A GENIUS!
I was just about to start going crazy cause as if it wasnt enough to invent ONE crazily complete in-depth language, he goes and invents like TEN!!!!!!!!!

(ok minor exaggeration but you get the point)
(so i take it no one has a battle cry. s'ok)

[Isiltári]

Okay, sounds good........I can start a Quenya thread and perhaps Wilwarin can start a Sindarin thread......we'll have to wait for her to put her two cents in! ;)

[Tar-Ancalimë]

yes and when she does...
Wil I CANT FIND THE LEGOLAS FORUM YOU WERE SAYING!!!!!! WHERE IS IT?????

i know i know wrong thread!

[Wilwarin]

Sure! That sounds like a good idea! :thumbs: I'll start one right now!




This post was last edited by Wilwarin on 9/17/02 8:38pm

[Wilwarin]

This thread needs bumped more than the others! :cool:

[Elfdaughter]

Too right! I'm trying to learn Quenya...and struggling! Never mind...perservere, eh! Namariae!

[Lemnas]

>>Elrond's battle cry in the beginning of the movie is Quenya,<<

Wow, no its not. It is quite distinctly Sindarin :)

_Tangado haid! Leithio i philinn!_

"make firm positions! Release the arrows!"

[Lemnas]

>>Pedon i Hedhellem
(I speak the tounges of the Elves) <<

Shouldn't this be _Pedin i laim in edhil_?

[Lemnas]

Lasto beth nin, tolo ton en galad.
(Hear my voice, come back to the light)

I believe this should read: _Lasto beth nîn, tolo dan na ngalad_

"An delui men" [on DEL-oo-ee men] It means literaly "the road is horrible" .

I think this is supposed to be _Andelu i ven_

[Wilwarin]

Yes, you are quite right, Lemnas. These are old attempts at figuring out what the Elvish in FotR was. It was before the DVD and the only way we could catch the words was go to the theater many times over. But we didn't have any pause or rewind buttons, so it was pretty hard to hear it all acurately (especially when it is Vigo talking!). Since then of course we know what they are really saying. But thank you for pointing out the errors anyway! It shows that you know something about Elvish! And yes, I too knew that the Elrond line was Sindarin. Someone said it was Quenya but I never took the time to correct he or she (I can't remember who it was).

Oh, and "Pedon i Hedhellem" litteraly means "I speak the Elvish Tongue".

[Lemnas]

>>Oh, and "Pedon i Hedhellem" litteraly means "I speak the Elvish Tongue".<<

How do you suppose? TO begin, ped- is an i-stem so we should see _pedin_ "i speak". I am not sure what Hedhellem is, the only thing similar that we have is Edhellen "elvish" which is an adjective... we also need the word "tongue" in here somewehere. If you were to say this correctly I think it should be _Pedin i lem edhellen_?

[Wilwarin]

Well, you got me there, Lemnas. I must admit that this is not my phrase, I got it from some where else a long time ago......not quite sure where though.......obviously who ever originally translated it didn't know what they were talking about. But thank you for pointing that out!

[Lemnas]

Anytime mellon niin :) Glad to be of service :)

[Elleth]

i'm learning sindarin :roll eyes:
for those of you who want to learn the movie quotes here is the website i found them at:
http://www.elvish.org/gwaith/movie_elvish.htm
and for those of you who just want to learn sindarin here is the website i learned most of the language from:
http://www.uib.no/People/hnohf/sindarin.htm
hope this helps everyone!! :)

[Elfdaughter]

I think this thread needs boosting again.....:)

[Fairawen]

Does anyone know what "Ride fast" or something like that is in either Quenya or Sindarian?

[Elfdaughter]

Noro lim is ride fast. I think that's in Sindarin. (as in Glorfindel - 'Noro lim, Asfaloth, noro lim' ) Hope that helps! :thumbs:

[Fairawen]

Thank you!

[Elfdaughter]

No problem!

[Weyrbronze Dragon]

i don't know if anyone has mentioned this so don't mind it if someone has but A site for the transcript of FOTRwith all the elvish and the translations is @ http://www.legomirk.com
It's a pretty cool site.

[Lyrkalas]

Does anyone know how to say just "please" and "excuse me" in Sindarin? Can't seem to find those phrases anywhere.

Thanks is Hannaid (I think)

[Wilwarin]

Those are two phrases that I have never been able to find either! I sure will let everyone know when I do though! (if anyone else knows what they are, please, let us know!)

Oh, and, actually, "thanks" would be "hennaid", 'a' turns to 'e' for the plural in non-final syllables. Or you could say "hannad le" which is "thank you".

[Woodland Gal]

yea i want to leanrn some elvish too!! i no like nemardier which means farewll,
mae govonnen, welcome or helloall the asy ones you can learn in the movies lol

[Wilwarin]

Where did you learn that "farewell" is "nemardier"? And which language is it suposed to be? In Sindarin "farewell" is "Navaer", and in Qunya it's "Namárië". Just wondering.

[Mánalinya]

If you want to learn Elvish (Quenya), ardalambion.com is the best place I have found to go. It has a great course with 20 lessons that teaches you what you need to know. I love it.

Linya

[Woodland Gal]

i dont no how to spell...sry lol geeezeee wilwarin

[Wilwarin]

OK, I'm sorry! no offense. I was just wondering.
:)

[Narisunell]

hey, one site i found was

www.geocities.com/Area51/Shadowlands/4101/e-q.html

i dunno if it'll work when you go to it, i've never tried. i found it searching on Yahoo one day, and bookmarked it. it's a Quenya/English dictionary. it's great to use if ya know what word ur lookin for!!

Edit: hey, it works!!! hope you all like it!

[Cyllwen]

http://www.councilofelrond.com is good. I can say some phrases but I haven't gotten around to actually speak the whole language.

[merlynwitch]

Could someone direct me to where I can see and then download the word Rivendell in the elvish script? I need to engrave it into a staff I have made like Gandalf the White's staff. I really am in need of help on this one.
Thanks,
WerlynWitch

[HobbitFriend]

Wil... i was wondering if you possibly knew what the Elvish word for "Turkey" is ...if there even is one! :p :p :p

[merlynwitch]

No I don't, but if you visit http://babel.edu/yamada/guides/tolkien.html. You will see all sorts of fonts for the elvish language and you will be able to down load them if you have a Mac.
Merlyn Witch

[Wilwarin]

I'm not sure, Merlyn Witch, but you could try out this site: http://www.tengwar.art.pl/ott/english.php I haven't tried it out myself, but others have said it is good.


HF, I'm sorry, there is no Sindarin word for "turkey" as far as I know. :p

[HobbitFriend]

lol okay, Wil ;) And i'll have to check out those sites! ...I see that Merlynwitch is new here... Welcome to War of the Ring! or... Mae Govannen :grin:

[merlynwitch]

Thnaks to one and all who responded for my inquiry. I have burned the the word Rivendell into the staff and it will be delivered on Sunday!! I get paid!!!
Merlyn witch

[Ash Nagz]

Mae govannen mellyn! <-- is that wrong?

I can't wait until I can speak fluently...

[Wilwarin]

Well, it depends on what you wanted to say, otherwise it's not wrong in itself. Did you mean to say "Welcome friends"? (literally translated "well met friends")

[Ash Nagz]

Yes, "Welcome friends"

Do you know the word for 'thanks'

[Ash Nagz]

I can't edit my above post... I remember thinking "Greetings Friends!" when I posted Mae govannen mellyn.

[Wilwarin]

"Greetings friends" would be "Suilad mellyn"

"Thanks" would be "hennaid"

"Thank you" would be "hannad le"

[Ash Nagz]

Hannad le Wilwarin!

[Wilwarin]

You're very welcome. :)

[Anunil]

Ummm, this fellow LOTR fan I know is thinking of a good elvish name/or words (ex.fang or fur ball in elvish) to name her kittern (its a girl). Have any suggestions? ;)

[Wilwarin]

Well let's see....

I can't find a Sindarin word for "fang" as such, but "tooth" is "nêl", so how about a feminine name that means "tooth" or "teeth"?: Nêlien [NEL-ee-en] "tooth", Nîlien [NEE-lee-en] "teeth"

Also "furry" (as I can't translate "fur ball"): Helethen [HEL-eth-en]

I could make up other names if I knew more about the kitty. What color is she? What is her personality? Does she have any distinguishing features? Or will the names above work out ok?

[Anunil]

I'll ask her more about her cat's personality, but this is totally great right now! Thank you so much! Your skills r incredible! ;)

[Ohtarien]

Anunil: if you'd like any names in Quenya, I can help you out too. (Sorry - I hadn't checked this thread in a while and didn't realize you had posted!) I know it can be hard to find nice pet names in Elvish, as often they sound too harsh or too exotic to be practical for everyday use, so I could give your friend some more alternatives to choose from, if you'd like. Just let me know. :grin: