Hollywood ending

[Fatty]

Whast do you think, will we get an arthurian sailing across the sea, or a more thoughtful Arwen's death as the ending?

[Gil-Galad]

I dont know, but supposedly you will be in tears due to the hobbits misfortunes.

[Orc]

I'm putting my money on the 'happy hollywood' ending. Ring goes bye-bye, Aragorn and Arwen get married, and the hobbits live hapily ever after.

[Fatty]

Yeah I would guess that.......but you never know.

[Ronin]

I'm guessing for a Hollywood ending. ya know we have to go for the tear-jerker with the parting of Sam and Frodo, the marriage, some parting words for Bilbo and Gandalf and, hopefully, something concerning Eowyn. lets not forget...this is pretty much in vein with Tolkien's end....just not much giving laud to England's forests ;)

[Gil-Galad]

I agree with Ronin.

[Pil]

It would be well cool if they did a really sad ending. Like, first end with the parting to the Grey Havens...then do an epologue during some weepy music showing Arwen and Aragorn dying, the elves parting over the sea...i can see it now...

[tosca]

yeah. i kinda think they should put SOMETHING about Arwen and Aragorn dying...and is the Scouring not in?? i hope it isn't...i HATED it in the book. you think it's all good and happy...and then the SHIRE, the ONE safe place that you'd think wouldn't be touched, everything's over and you never even THINK about it; it's just the Shire...(keep hitting T instead of R...ooops). so yeah. and at first the WHOLE ending bugged me...i mean, Frodo SAVED them; you'd think he'd have been able to enjoy what he almost died for...but now i like it. yeaahh.

so. back to the MOVIE ending (i'm really sorry about going off topic)...i could see the epilogue thing happening...well, we know that Elanor's gonna be in it...and yeah. i want to see Meriadoc the Maginifcent...but if they skip the Scouring then they might have to skip that too. oh, poo. oh well...it's not like we have any control...

[Pil]

I disagree, I thought the scouring of the shire was a perfect way to give the book a bit of a kick up the behind before the ending, everything was getting a bit too soppy and happy beforehand! I think the whole saruman/wormtongue dying thing was just summut tolkein pulled out of his *** to cut that particular cord. It would have been better to have saruman commit suicide! Now, THAT would have been cool!

[Catz]

i dunno....having seen a fair few of Mr J's works, i dont think he'd want to do a happy hollywood ending...course, even as the director, his is not the only say in it....but i feel that PJ may yet surprise......there are several ways he could go, all artistically and narratively valid....we shall see.....(is there any such word as narratively???:grin: )

[Ronin]

well, PJ certainly isn't ur average director, thats for sure. if only looking at Meet the Feebles we can be assured of that ;-)
but, without the Scouring playing any kind of role in ROTK...unless we've been absolutely played...not looking like PJ will get much of a chance to tweak the material. obviously we'll see a great deal on Aragorn/Arwen's marriage and perhaps death...but i'm just hoping that there'll be more a focus on the departure to the Grey Havens. therin...with the acting skill we've seen and what we know PJ can do...i think we'd be in for perhaps one of the greatest endings ever written.

[Mirkgirl]

The chances to see Arwen and Aragorn dying are smaller than seeing their first night IMO... If there is death there must be something cheering about it and if they show or narrate something like Beren and Luthien I wouldn't be surprised, but disappointed anyway.

About the hobbits, I don't know, there are different options

[Catz]

*grins* well.....much tho i hate to admit it, i think Ronins probably right ;)......with the material, its hard to see how they could not give it a good ending, with a hefty dollop of pathos....tho i do think that PJ will play up the sadness angle of the seperations and endings....it is after all a theme of the book.....cycles and beginnings coming from endings.....
but i dont really think that just omitting the scouring really limits the options that much....i DO think that most fans will walk out of the theatre with tears on their faces....it'll be fascinating to see how PJ does it.......now all we have to do is wait......and wait....and wait.......;) lol

[Pil]

Waiting is right! I mean, wots the deal with the whole three years thing? I'm gonna b...older when the return of the king comes out! I mean...it will b hard to keep up spirits for that length of time. I know i'll still b a fan, but other things will probably b getting in the way by then. :boohoo:

[A! Elbereth]

The Shire part will be in the movie becuase it tells how Saruman dies and that really cant be skipped.... And I wonder if They will go into what the Apendix says and put it in the movie?

[A! Elbereth]

True..... If I think I'm gonna melt with anticipation NOW I STILL HAVE TO WAIT lets see..... actually.... until the 3rd movie is out I'll have to wait 2 years!!!!!!!!!! ILL BE ASH BY THEN!!!!!! I hope I dont croak by then lol :p ;)

[Bonos-Girl]

I will be 15 when rotk comes out but i will still be just as obssessed with it. I hope they keep the ending but also I think they will have all the bits at the end and arwen + aragorn dying because they added loads about those 2 and it would be kinda stupid to add loads just to take some out. :batty:

[Mirkgirl]

Originally posted by A! Elbereth
The Shire part will be in the movie becuase it tells how Saruman dies and that really cant be skipped

I doubt Saruman would die this way. It'll take too long to introduce the hobbit characters... Lotho and so on

[A! Elbereth]

I'm gonna be 16 when the last film comes out... but you dont think that The death of Saruman will be in the movie? becuase it is Important... i think the Shire will be in there too... AUURRGHH!!! I WANT TO SEE It NOWWWWWWWWWWWW

[Pil]

The scouring of the shire is my second fav part of the book (second only to the battle of the fields of pelennor!!! Ok i'll shut up about that now! :embarras: ). If they miss it out i will take a second trip to NZ and find PJ and make him change it!!!! verymad

[Sindarin]

In regards to the ending of ROTK, I just hope that Jackson is true to the book.

[Pil]

And i hope that i can stay true to my heart Sindarin... :loveyou:

[Catz]

:embarras: :o and this dear Pil is why we have PM's.....

the scouring is out to the best of my knowledge....and as for the death of Saruman....did the whole spiked wizard thing ever get resolved?:huh:
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[Bonos-Girl]

We want the scouring
we want the scouring
we want the scouring

They can't miss it out, I can see that it would take quite a long time to introduce random hobbity people but surely pj could find a way. I really want o see it.....runs away to sulk....

[Mirkgirl]

I doubt we will... but it'll be very interesting to be seen :)

[A! Elbereth]

DOUBT!!!!!!! Is NOT a word we use in this site! Hold your tongue!;););) lol lol

[Catz]

Urrrrgggghhhh.....if she does that she'll dribble everywhere.....yukky;) lol lol
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[A! Elbereth]

*sigh* Catz you always have something to say to my comments dont you?

[Pil]

IF THE SCOURING IS NOT IN IT AND THE ENDING IS JUST HAPPY I WILL SCREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAM!!!! verymad

[Catz]

*grins*....yup, pretty much.......lol lol
and i really dont think the scouring is in, tho whether or not that has anything to do with the ending being happy or not, i dont know......theres more than enough potential for tear jerking with the leavetaking for the havens, IMO...
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[Mirkgirl]

I doubt there is no doubt, which doubtfully makes sense ;)
(I just hope that antitrout shield I ordered comes on time)

[RingWench]

I'm rooting for The Scouring to be included, but hey, it's Hollywood. They might think it's too much for an audience to sit through. I mean, some movie-goers might just wanna see The Ring destroyed and be done with it. :rolleyes:

Cheers!
--Jess

[Pil]

These would be the same so called fans who complained about their backsides going numba fter three hours. verymad When i first saw the film i was having a go at the screen cos i wanted to know what was happening next, not prising myself out of a dent in my chair! lol

[Tinuviel]

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but methinks PJ already made it quite clear that the scouring of the shire is not going to be inclueded. The scene in FOTR (Galadriel's Mirror) where Frodo sees the Shire in flames is meant to be PJ's tribute to the Scouring.... sigh...I'm rather heartbroken...

OT: Hiya Catz, Ronin (pooky) and Fatty and Illuvatar and more familiar names ! I just made it here :)

[Catz]

Great to see you Tinuviel....:whoohoo: *catz gives Tinuviel big hugs*.....yep.....from what i know you are entirely correct....sorry guys....:huh:
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[A! Elbereth]

No Scouring... *sighs* What next? Are they gonna skip the grey havens too!?!?! Thats a disgrace! The Shire is a big turning point to the end (whatever that means) and I strongly feel it needs to be in there! The more hobbits the merrier!

[Illuvatar]

Whoo Hoo!! Tinuviel has arrived!!!:cool: :cool: :whoohoo: :whoohoo: :wave: :wave: :wave: entdraught entdraught :hooray: :hooray:

[Tinuviel]

yes, Lady Catz and the great Illuvatar, here I am :) Thanks for the nice whooping welcome :grin:

There's this report that Chris Lee when he went back to NZ for reshoots, went to PJ with a friendly fan petition regarding Saruman's demise in the film.....anyone knows what's this about?
Sorry if it was discussed in an earlier thread....

[Pil]

THE SCOURING IS NOT IN IT??????!!!!!! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH! verymad verymad :battle: :archer:

[Catz]

well....i think we can assume that Pil is not happy;) lol
i wouldnt get too worked up about it, tho......wait and see....
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[Pil]

Damn right i'm not happy! :o

But....i suppose nothing is definite yet...hopefully! :p

[Bonos-Girl]

hopefully.....

[Pil]

mecry

[Bonos-Girl]

i agree...

[A! Elbereth]

I already did.... I cant believe Pil just found out... but yeah. I'm upset myself.... but now I've got my mind on The new thread, "Cooking with Frodo" Which made me very upset to find out Frodo is eaten on a cooking show... I'm trying to get over the mild seizures...:o

[Ronin]

Tinuviel!!! *Ronin runs up to Tinuviel, giving her a great big hug!!* :grin:

anyway, enough fraternizing ;)

Aye, Scouring of the Shire is indeed excised from LOTR. Tho, as per PJ's request...we loyal fans were able to see a loyal tribute to Tolkien's own tribute to the English countryside. can be thankful for that i guess seeing as how we won't be getting much else. ach well...can't ask for everything.

no....yes we can ! :naughty:

[Catz]

well....you can ask....whether or not you get, is another matter entirely;)
i still think it could work well, even without the scouring, just depends on the direction they choose to take....just gotta wait and see....
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[Bonos-Girl]

i don't want to wait......aaaarrrrgggghhhh

[Mirkgirl]

patience is good, ignorance is bless, i am cursed...

not really, I'd prefer some surprises :)

[A! Elbereth]

I cant wait any longer! I'm getting on my families nerves always talking about LOTR.... and TTT, *sighs* It feels like the days are going as slow as years.... arrrghhh

Dont you mean Ignorance is Bliss?

[Mirkgirl]

sure

[Pil]

haven't you ever heard that saying?
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[Bonos-Girl]

what...i'm confuzzled.

[A! Elbereth]

The saying ignorance is bliss...?

[Ronin]

Mirkie gets confused sometimes...*pats her on the head*...she just needs her blankie and then she's all better! isn't that right....isn't that right....yes it is....whyyy...yes it is!

lol

[Catz]

*catz grins as Mirky bites Ronin in the ankle*:elfeek: lol
and you have had your shots havent you Mirky?:evilcool:

Cooking with Frodo!!!! where???? nobody ever tells me the good stuff....:angry: mecry ;) lol

and just to stay on topic ;) i think that whatever the ending, PJ will do a good job......hes done pretty well so far, IM(not so )HO
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[Bonos-Girl]

cooking with frodo...what??? i'm even more confuzzled...

[Catz]

topic guys....:grin: i'll PM you to explain BG
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[Nessa]

Topic, topic, uh, here it is!
I hope that the ending comes off as tragic, because thats how it seemed in the book (to me anyway), and thats what seperates Tolkien from other writers of the genre, the hero doesn't live happily ever after. :(

[Bonos-Girl]

yeah...in most books the hero lives a long and very happy life (cept spiderman) and the villain dies....it's soooo predictable (but not like the scooby-doo cartoons..they were soo amusing but they always turned out the same!!!)

[Pil]

Too loose the sadness of the ending is to COMPLETELY loose the ending! But, i think the thing about how frodo lived a terrible life for the rest of his days is wrong. Didn't he leave for the grey havens so that he could finally rest anjd be at peace? :p

[Nessa]

I don't think he lived a terrible life in Aman at all. I just think the tragic irony is that he took on the quest to protect the Shire, which he loved more than anything, and then couldn't even remain there. Aman is an undoubtedly beautiful and peaceful place, but its not really what Frodo wanted. Spending the rest of my life in a place too big and beautiful for me is not my idea of happiness at all.

[Ronin]

Lets remember, Aman is "heaven"...Frodo ain't exactly living in a shanty. ;)

Apart from the humor, i simply don't think u could call the end to LOTR tragic, more resigned than anything. after all, Frodo is not THE hero of Middle-earth...we can't simply look at only his end, as the end of LOTR. But, since we are looking at Frodo, we know there must be some horror at never being able to see the Shire again. in the same vein as what the elves who left Aman...a sadness that could never be forgotten. but, as always, and especially in Frodo's case, that sadness has to be tempered by all that Aman is...we can think of it as the Shire, only more so. at least...my thoughts.

[Nessa]

Right again Ronin, I seem to be following you around. ;) Although I see Frodo's end as tragic (just my opinion), there are a lot of other characters who had long and fulfilling lives without the pain of failure. Take Sam, my very second favorate, he had a big family and a long life in the Shire and then got to go to Aman. His life was only tinged with sadness for not being able to spend it with Frodo.

[Mirkgirl]

I have the idea that Frodo would be happier in Aman then in the Shire or anywhere else, but Sam did not belong there. I take his journey as a well deserved good-bye with his master.

*steals back her action figure (lol) from catz "If you want to bite someone in the ankle (pfbbt) do it yourself"*

My shots... well don't check your reserve :naughty:

*slaps Ronin with a trout, slaps catz too and then decides to slap him again (I'm ok now)*

[Illuvatar]

I'd have to agree that Frodo would be very happy in Aman. I do think however that PJ will modify the ending just a little so that Sam standing on the shore waving good-bye won't be too said and will focus on the celebration of the departure.

/me dives out of the way of the Mirkster and her vicious trout, and then checks to make sure his shots are up to date!!

[Nessa]

Wow, am I by myself in percieving the ending as sad? Maybe this isn't the place to discuss it. I'll let it go.

[Catz]

YIPES!! *catz ducks a second trout shot* ooooh sensitive, Mirky....and i dont do bite, i do claw...and i just did my nails!!! :elfeek: lol lol

no Nessa, i dont think youre wrong there....its just a matter of degree....i too think that Frodo was happier in Aman than he would have been in the Shire....but...that doesnt mean he didt ache to see his friends, or miss his home.....as perfect as it may be, there is always that sadness at this having been forced upon him, in a way....i think id call it bittersweet...and all the more poignant for that :cool:
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[Nessa]

Lovely, Catz, thank you. :)

[A! Elbereth]

yes For once I not only entirely agree, but am happy that you said it in such a way .... oh! How much I want to see the next movie! I want to see FOTR.... I think I'll watch it (Downloaded it off the interent - Can watch it whenever I want hehehe):naughty: lol

[Pil]

I wonder whether PJ wants people to leave ROTK crying...feeling satisfied...blown away...or what? What would YOU like to get from the ending? :p

[Nessa]

I want to feel the same sadness (for at least one charector) that I felt at the end of the books.

[Pil]

Yup...i'm sure that will be a popular opinion on the ending. :p

[A! Elbereth]

I want a sad ending too.... but you have to know something about me... when I see a sad ending, i feel depressed for a week and cant stop thinking about how terrible! (like Moulin Rouge) But sad endings are what make the movie a movie! the end of tolkein IS sad, so it should be in the movie too

[Ronin]

Pil, i want it all!! i want to cry, be blown away, satisfied that while this isn't the end...every single character whom i care about has a full life that they can lead. and to be honest, i've no doubts that PJ can provide.

as they say Nessa, great minds think alike :grin: and i do think the end to ROTK will be very sad, just not in the "all is lost" kind of way. as catz eloquently put (scary i know), more poignant and self-satisfying.

/me is momentarily stunned for a minute from the vicious trout slap...then rebounds, grabbing the slippery fish from Mirky's hands, delivering cutter roundhouse kick bringing her to her knees...finishing her off with a slapping chop to the throat...full of trout*

[Nessa]

Originally posted by Ronin
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as they say Nessa, great minds think alike :grin: and i do think the end to ROTK will be very sad, just not in the "all is lost" kind of way. as catz eloquently put (scary i know), more poignant and self-satisfying.

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They sure do. ;) No, it shouldn't be the "all is lost kind of sad" , there should be the joy that middle earth is more or less intact, and I'd like to see it communicated that the elves must fade away. Which is sad, yet not terribly so.

[Ronin]

The elves leaving, resigned...an era that will be lost, never to be regained. I think, with regards to evidence i have about whats already been done, we can rest assured that PJ will give us a very satisfying, evocative send off to the elves. for some reason i'm thinking that it'll be related to Aragorn and Arwen's marriage.

[Catz]

as catz eloquently put (scary i know),

pfbbt pfbbt pfbbt
lol
well, the relationship between Arwen and Aragorn encapsulates the whole situation of the Elves leaving (with Arwen giving up her place in the Undying Lands, and cleaving to a mortal fate, just as the world is to become the domain of men, losing the magic and enchantment of the Elves) so yeah, i think they will use the wedding....also takes away a bit of the sting.......and youre right Ronin:elfeek: .....i want it all too...but i do know i'll be mecry
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[A! Elbereth]

You all really need to get over Liv as Arwen. It REALLY isnt that big of a deal!

[Catz]

errrrmmm....who was complaining about Arwen???
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[A! Elbereth]

Well, most of you. Sorry I didnt realize I was posting in the wrong thread! lol Must have pressed the back button.....:o

[Pil]

I've done that once! lol roflmao :cuddles: :p

I hope they don't end it on the wedding...too cheesy for words...:angry:

[A! Elbereth]

I dont find the Aragorn/Arwen thing sad.... I guess it is, but it did NOT make me teary... yeah the movie wouldnt end right becuase they barely give notice to their love in FOTR... and the next time their love will most likely be mentioned is at the end of ROTK... it would just be a little strange....... besides.. shouldnt the story end with what the entire story is about, giving the audience sure of what went on? yeah..... lol

[Catz]

well if that doesnt show how tough it is to please the fans i dont know what does....lol A!Elbereth, you think they didnt showcase Aragorn and Arwen....and others thinking they turned the whole movie into a romance (thats NOT my opinion btw, just one ive heard expressed, tho not here:grin: ) but i digress...
The wedding is very relevant to the story actually....because it marks the point at which the Elven power retreats from ME and the torch passes to man.....the handing over of his daughter in marriage to Aragorn by Elrond is deeply symbolic of this, especially since she then becomes mortal too.....it is, from that moment, a mortal world and a beginning as well as an end and thats impotant too, because the theme of cycles of time is a part of the book as well......so yeah, i think the wedding would make a good wrap up device....thats not to say that there wont be scenes of the departure to the havens....in fact a nice dramatic way of doing that would be to intercut the scenes of joy and pleasure at the wedding with scenes of the characters sorrowful departures....tho that would i fear only make sense if one had read the books...but there are many other options open.......im happy to just wait and see...:cool:
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[legolaslover]

That would ruin the movie if they did that. I dont think PJ would do that though cause it would really sux .mecry

[Catz]

Why?
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[ArwenLiz]

Personally, I think that that WOULD be a good idea...for those who had read the book. However, I don't think that PJ will do this because I'm guessing that most of the viewers have not read it.

And to answer previous questions regarding the death of Saruman:

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What I'd like to see as an ending to ROTK, is Sam returning home to Rosie, and having flash-backs of the wedding of Arwen and Aragorn and of the departure of Frodo and the others at the Grey Havens and then drawing Elanor onto his lap, and looking at the both of them, sighing, and then saying, "Well, I'm back."

I'm now fighting back tears...though I'm not sure that non-readers of the book would understand...I can see it so clearly...too bad it's unlikely.

ArwenLiz