Glamdring and 1st age sword question

[Finrod Felagund]

Since Glamdring was of Elven make, should it have resembled the rest of the Elven weopons (in the Movie). To me it resemble more Mannish swords. PJ's oversight or what...
It didn't get near the press that it did in the book
It should have glowed with Sting.

Was the glow was an attribute of 1st age swords or just special ones.

[Menemir]

I think they just ballsed glamdring up from the start. The sword is supposed to be great and Elvish, however, the runes on the guard are Dwarvish and it just doesn't look right. I'm pretty sure the glow is just for special swords, though.

[Orc]

You've got a couple of good points Lognshot. Glamdring was supposably a powerful weapon in it's 'heyday' i.e. the first age, before it was lost, especially for the likes of Elrond - not to mention the goblins remembering it's name and image.

In my opinion, if anything, Glamdring should be much more elaborate than Sting. Glamdring, as decribed in the books was much more elaborate than Sting, which was first described in the Hobbit as a knife - not something you would expect to be highly engraved like it is in the movie.

My guess is that it was done on purpose. PJ is not one to have gone to the extremes that he did with the movies to miss that one. Glamdring plays a pretty small role in the LotR (outside of the Hobbit), and was probably played down for time. It would have taken to much precious screen time to the audience to explain Glamdring to make it worth while.

Since Sting (a simple elven made knife or small sword - at the least designed as a backup fighting weapon or more likely a tool) glows in the presence of orcs, and orc-kin, it can be assumed that most elven swords of a similar time period would also glow

[Menemir]

That's a pretty weak inferance, Orc. Sting was found with a hoard of spectuacular Elven weaponry, such as Glamdring and Orcrist, both of which are magical and belong to great Elves. Thus, Sting may have also belonged to one of these great Elves as his dagger or short sword, so it too would glow.

[Pil]

IMHO Glamdring should have been glowing right along side sting. I agree orc. I always imagined galmdring as this AMAZING sword, ornate and threatening. Sting was just a knife...it would have been beautiful because it was made by the elves...but would it have looked as good as it did in the film? :huh: Glamdring's glowing would have only needed some explanation like..."Let our elven blades fight true, Frodo" something like that...

[Finrod Felagund]

For all PJ's attention to detail and the amount of time he spent on the rest of the weapons (Aeglos was on screen for less than a second), I think he really dropped the ball, all they had to do was add a little CG to the sword during the cave troll scene and we wouldn't be haveing this conversation. I think I can forgive him just this one time though. But I would have so much like to have seen Glamdring done like Elrond or Arwen's weapons.
Imagine the opening scene with all the Elf swords glowing blue as the orcs charged...

[Menemir]

Agreed. Glamdring still looks cool, though. But what bugs me is the guard. It was meant to be in "the ancient runes of gondolin", which is Quenyan. However, the runes are indeed Dwarvish and translate something like "basduhdwargfawrff". It's just silly.

[Pil]

Originally posted by Longshot
Imagine the opening scene with all the Elf swords glowing blue as the orcs charged...

Wow! :elfeek: :)

[Bonos-Girl]

Originally posted by Menemir
[B}translate something like "basduhdwargfawrff". It's just silly. [/B]

well....it says warg.....slightly lotr-ish!!!

[Menemir]

lol

[Hans_Schuder]

Strange. The "Languages in the LOTR movies" pages (http://www.elvish.org/gwaith/movie_inscriptions.htm) say the inscriptions on Glamdring are Sindarin.

Glamdring · Turgon aran Gondolin tortha gar a matha ·
· i vegil Glamdring gûd daedheloth, dam an Glamhoth

The calligraphy is just different.

[Hans_Schuder]

Oh, and I just found out the calligraphy itself is based on the Cirth alphabet which can not only be correctly used to write Sindarin and Khuzdul but also Quenya, so it's all good, guys. :thumbs:

[Orc]

cool. Thanks for the info!

[Gil-galad Elven King]

Originally posted by Finrod Felagund
Since Glamdring was of Elven make, should it have resembled the rest of the Elven weopons (in the Movie). To me it resemble more Mannish swords. PJ's oversight or what...
It didn't get near the press that it did in the book
It should have glowed with Sting.

Was the glow was an attribute of 1st age swords or just special ones.

it does glow if you seen the movie when gandalf battles the balrog you see a glow off his sword

[Aratorë]

And doesn't Tolkien describe Glamdring as having a straight blade? (If that's what you mean by being Mannish)

As far as PJ not making it look spectacular enough, I agree. It could have looked a lot better.

But it's still pretty sweet.:thumbs:

[Finrod Felagund]

In the Books, it also glows when orcs are near

[TrueSwordsman]

I know we are talking about Glamdring here, but what about the inscription on Sting? It means spider’s bane. How did the elf smiths who forged it know that Bilbo was going to kill spiders with it and name it Sting?

Just being throwing rocks at the bee hive about the discrepancies in the film.

[Narsil's weilder]

Well maybe PJ didn't wanna waste time having Gandalf explain the glow from his sword as did Bilbo to Frodo about Sting.

[Voroturiön]

Glamdring's hilt and pommel leaves a lot to be desired. But, I do like the leaf-shaped blade. Hate the plaque tho.

[TrueSwordsman]

Arms of Valor, Ltd. www.armsofvalor.com said they will have a scabbard for the Official Glamdring Sword in about a week! It is going to be black with the silver rune for "G" near the throat. The one they made for Strider's Sword is really cool!

When Gandalf became the "white" in TTT what color was his scabbard? I wonder if AoV can make one like that?

[Narsil's weilder]

When Gandalf is walking through Edoras telling th plans for battle to the 3 hunters he is carrying Galmdring on his shoulder. It appears he has no scabbard but just a frog.

[Gil Galad]

well yeh, it wasnt given the attention it deseved but then they did have to fit allot in2 a few hours. and sting was made look beter then it shud cos its described in the books as a simple knife, not an ornate blade as in the film. i think that all the blades forged by the great elven smiths of the first age glowed in the presence of orc or orc-kin. oh an Gil-gallad Elven King , the only reason Glamdring looked liek it was glowin was because of the "spell" Gandalf was casting, because it wudnt glow in the presence of a balrog

[Miruvor]

They really didn't need more than one blue glowing sword to carry the story along. Besides, considering all the REAL characters cut from the movie, naturally they wouldn't want a redundant sword character.
PJ is not one to have gone to the extremes that he did with the movies to miss that one.
This is touched on in the EE version of FOTR Directors Audio commentary at the beginning of the Cave Troll fight, in case by some longshot, one of you didn't see it.

[Gil Galad]

r u serious about likin Faramir from the movie, I didnt think he was good at all