What if Gollum had been hungry?

[Maedhros]

When Gollum mets Bilbo for the first time, he was curious and not hungry:
"What iss he, my preciouss?" whispered Gollum (who always spoke to himself through never having anyone else to speak to). This is what he had come to find out, for he was not really very hungry at the moment, only curious; otherwise he would have grabbed first and whispered afterwards.
Would he have overpowered Bilbo or would Bilbo had hurt or Slain him. Could Bilbo have gotten out of the Mountain without Gollum's help?:elfeek:

[TheRingBearer]

Without Gollum, Frodo and Sam would never have found their way to Mordor :elfeek: :)

[Galadriel]

without Biblo defeating gollum and finding the ring the story would of ended right there. The would of nbeen no LOTR trilogy.

[Pil]

I doubt that bilbo could have fought off gollum...he doesn't have the experience or the reflexes...

BUUUUUT. You know how the ring "abandoned gollum..." because it was fed up of hanging around in the mountain all the time? Well...if it didn't INTEND for bilbo to pick it up...maybe it would have found its way out another way...

But that would have been worse for middle earth...a goblin might have picked it up and become a terrible force... :o

[Galadriel]

yes good thing that bilbo picked up the ring. becasue if it had got in to the hands of a gobblin who knows how the story would of truned out.

[Smaug the Smog]

Originally posted by TheRingBearer
Without Gollum, Frodo and Sam would never have found their way to Mordor :elfeek: :)

If Bilbo HAD killed Gollum, Gollum would never have said: Baggins........*screams*........Shire! So if you think about it, it didn't matter what Bilbo did, Sauron still wouldn't have found the Ring.:thumbs:

[Bonos-Girl]

but gollum might have known who picked it upi if it wasn't bilbo and sauron wouldve been led there instead...

[Pil]

I think that whatever had happened....the ring would eventually have had to be deal with. :evil:

[Bonos-Girl]

yep...doesn't matter who had it, sauron would eventually be led to that person...

[Mirkgirl]

If Gollum was hungry my bets are that he'd eaten Bilbo and regained possession over the ring. After that who knows - the only variant not leading straight in the claws of Sauron is Gandalf finding the ring, searching for (what has left of) his friend - but then wouldn't that mean a new Dark Lord?

If Bilbo wins, the best (but impossible) script will be if Gollum is alive and somehow Bilbo makes him help. But even if Gollum lives, he wouldn't help, but the other way about.

So Bilbo slays Gollum - the variants here are (even) darker - Bilbo captured by the orcs and the ring would easily go to Sauron, Bilbo => Gollum No2 or Bilbo finally finding his way out after, but too late and who knows what'd happen to alone hobbit with a powerful, the most powerful Ring. I suppose the Ring would soon change the hands holding it. And in the commotion Sauron would have won.

[Tar-Ancalimë]

Originally posted by TheRingBearer
Without Gollum, Frodo and Sam would never have found their way to Mordor

Sure they would have...

It's just that Gollum was handy.
Like Frodo said in TTT, "It's my doom, I think, to go to that Shadow yonder, so a way will be found."
A way would have been found, I think.

I also think Sam could have done something about Frodo keeping the Ring... because he was a ring bearer too....

I hate Gollum. I think Bilbo could/should have killed him.

[Pil]

Originally posted by Tar-Ancalimë
Like Frodo said in TTT, "It's my doom, I think, to go to that Shadow yonder, so a way will be found."
A way would have been found, I think.

:huh: I dunno...i think they wouldn't have made it. Thyere is no way they would have made it through the dead marshes... :(

[Tar-Ancalimë]

maybe you just don't have much of an imagination!!! lol j/k of course

my point was just its fate not some sneaky little monster

[Tary]

I think bilbo would have been able to kill Gullom.:battle:

[Little Devil]

Maybe, but Bilbo was really scared at the time :evil:

[Sauron]

Something has really confused me all these years reading the hobbit, Goblins are not Orcs, even in the FOTR movie, the goblins looked, acted and fought different than orcs, So, i think if bilbo was eaten, the Goblins may have found the ring, but it would not go to sauron. Besides, The Goblins didn't even know Sauron, he didn't come back until 3002 I think.

Sauron

[Mirkgirl]

Goblins are just part of the orcs. it's never used anywhere but in the Hobbit and ocassionally in LotR. Goblins is used for smaller orcs, that;s pretty much the only difference

As to FotR... well PJ is entitled to an opinion

[Aragorn Isildur]

Sauron was around, he was just the Necromancer at the time.

Aragorn:king:

[Trahald]

I don't think Bilbo could have managed to kill Gollum. We all know how Gollum (even with only some vestigial remnants of the strength given him by the Ring) was able to take on Sam and Frodo at Emyn-muil. Also, remember who had the advantage of dark-vision as well as the advantage of surprise.

Bilbo would've been lunch (or praps elevensies) before he knew what that smell was coming from.

*burp*

With the Baggins out of the picture, the ring would have eventually been found .. most likely by Gollum himself. Then I doubt he'd have chanced losing it ever again.

yeah.. wouldn't make for much of a story though.

[Gil Galad]

didnt Bilbo have sting at the ime and wasnt that one of the reasons that gollum didnt attack him. but if he had of killed gollum thn i think almost everyhtin wud have played the same way xcept Sam would have had to rip the ring from Frodo and throw it into mount doom.

but htis is all inconsequencial, because all that stuff happened because of the undenyable Will of Eru

[Trahald]

True that Gollum was nervous about Sting, but I think an only slightly more hungry, slightly less cautious Gollum would've put his own appetite ahead of his trepedation and been dining on Hobbit-au-jus!

Remember that (unlike in the cheezy cartoon), Bilbos sword wasn't glowing magically and therefore did not pose any more threat than the usual weaponry carried by those Goblins who came tromping down to the water's edge for fish...and they also were luncheon-meat for easy-picking. :)

[Gil Galad]

but Gollum didnt have his either and even went back for the ring b4 he intended to kill bilbo, but there were Goblins in those caves so it is posible that sting was glowing.

anyway i think the whole faith thang comes into play here and the ring(or somethin else) intended to save bilbo and get him out of there safely

[Kiril]

If Gollum had been hungry I don't think Bilbo would stop to talk to him. Rather just run. I guess that means maybe Bilbo may not have had the chance to find the ring as well. It was because of his curiosity of gollum that he happened upon it was it not?

[Gil Galad]

it is also posible that gollum may have njoyed the thought of company. and therefore wanted to play the riddle.