Glorfindel Got Robbed

[Finrod Felagund]

He kills a Balrog, gets reincarnated, chases off the Witchking and what does he get in the movie... not even a cameo
Rehash, I know but might make for a good poll

[Sindarin]

Perhaps is Jackson adapts The Silmarillion to the screen, he'll get the proper recognition he deserves. :thumbs:

[Pil]

Hopefully....cos Glorfindel was one of my favourite characters in th book. When he appears on the road to aragorn and the hobbits...and they thought it would be a black rider...but it wasn't...and aragorn was all happy... veryhappy

I am sooo annoyed that pj decided to replace glorfindel with arwen...I KNOW! I know he had to introduce her in some way...but why not have the meal and singing in the house of elrond...she could have sung a love song with aragorn or something...that would have introduced their love whilst keeping glorfindel and some of the more memorable moments from the house of elrond. :thumbs: :)

[Eowyn]

I think the book version was much better although I haven't read the silmarillion yet!

[Loravarnion Darkstone]

Pil, I'm afraid, that what PJ did was very wise, for you see, if all Arwen did was have a love scene with Aragorn, people would be confused from where she came from, why she was in it, and what the relevance of the scene was, if she had a fight scene before, then everyone can connect with that and thus are interested in what she has to say.

[Bonos-Girl]

surely they could've found some other way to introduce her into the story......

[Loravarnion Darkstone]

I don't really see it.

[Pil]

No seriously! KEEP THE MEAL AND THE ROOM WITH THE NEVER ENDING FIRE I SAY! verymad

[Lady Melody]

Well, PJ DID skip that welcoming dinner thingy... darnit! Poor Glorfindel!

[Tar-Ancalimë]

poor glorfindel, yeah, she could have been introduced some other way... but really, it's 3 hours long already!!!!!!!!

Originally posted by Loravarnion Darkstone
what PJ did was very wise

[Mirkgirl]

Well I don't believe it's the same Glorfindel... but that's another endless topic I don't want to step in.

But Glorfindel deserved to be in the film anyway, tho he could not have been. I hate Arwen for this, but after all have you seen such movie without a chick with a sword? No, and you won't because everyone will be against it's conception.

Not only this, but there hardly are any women with or without a sword so it was needed. Hated but needed.

[Tar-Ancalimë]

If Arwen had been cast as someone else, maybe we'd ALL think this is a good thing.

[Mirkgirl]

Hehe, that's a good point too, but anyway I don't like her in Glorfindel's shoes. But it'd help for sure

[Tar-Ancalimë]

Well I think PJ did a good job. The first time I read the books I got so mad at Tolkein for his lack of feminen characters! I remember talking about it to my best friend. She agreed with me. I mean, I''m not a huge feminist or anything, but I think it's great how Arwen has a larger role. Except for the tyler business.

[Eowyn]

The lack of feminen characters didn't bother me. I am all for strong female characters rather than the 'beautiful cissys' that sit at the side whilst the men do all the work. (probably because I'm the former and not the latter) but I didn't find it annoying.

[Tar-Ancalimë]

Well, I really hated it before Eowyn got out and did something. I mean, that scene where she wants to go with Aragorn but he didn't let her really made my blood boil.

Anyway.
So does that mean you're for Arwen having an actual role instead of just singing with Aragorn by the fire?

[Mirkgirl]

Not enough female characters? True, but after all that's the way the things in ME where, because Tolkien wrote them that way. It doesn't bother me.

Tolkien did not introduce the spoiled princess, just Arwen might have had many good qualities but they had nothing to do with the story, sry.

And the movie Arwen is just a cliche pfbbt

[Tar-Ancalimë]

Aw... I think PJ did a good job. :(

[Bonos-Girl]

ummm....you could be the only one!!! (only jokin, i think he did quite a good job but......arwen was liv tyler, and she nicked people's lines!!!)

[Tar-Ancalimë]

yes yes yes but if we can move past the tyler (remember: I said if ) then admit it!! That was a cool scene.

And admit it!!! You love the movie, tyler and all!

[Eowyn]

NO! well you said 'if'....
I would have prefered the book version..... but if you force me I might admit it was a good scene. possibly. :huh: maybe.....

[Tar-Ancalimë]

OK we've pushed past Liv right?
So we're pushing past our blinding love of the books right?
So the next step is to say, "well, that scene was good... after all what in FotR wasn't?

[Eowyn]

ok! it was a good film! I'll leave it at that........... this time!

[Tar-Ancalimë]

it was a GREAT film!

and you said if i force you... well im not giving up...

[Eowyn]

darn........... I'm head-strong and stubborn though! and If you keep persisting I will be forced to say something about ...the casting! (trying to avoid that topic for a change!)

[Tar-Ancalimë]

OK OK im not persisting! i mean arwen rocks. its just that... well... were avoiding that topic arent we...

[Lynx]

Well, its always been my experience that the movies are never totally like the book. Some changes are good, some are bad.

I don't really have a problem with Arwen being more in the movie but that could be (and don't kill me for this) because I don't remember exactly want part Glorfindel played in the book, maybe if I remembed I would be mad. :-) I'm reading the book again so I'll find out soon enough.

But I've got a question: why is everyone so anti liv tyler?

I think I missed something.

Lynx

[Tar-Ancalimë]

well generally because well we think she could have been cast way better. i mean, we dont hate her, not exactly, but, well... she's just not everything she could be.

and she kinda sucks. to be nice.

[Lynx]

oh okay, I can understand that. But In my opinion, she's really not that bad, granted, yeah there are better actresses but there are a whole worse that could have been cast.

I mean, look at what happened to Star Wars and the casting of Anakin in episode 2 (sorry to those of you who like the actor). I personally don't like him and i think he can't act very well, but thats just me.

But I guess it could have been worse.

Lynx

[Tar-Ancalimë]

OMG I LOVE hayden i ADORE him i think no on ecould have been better and he did a GREAT job acting and he's ALMOST as hot as aragorn!!!!! (i said almost)

but i understand thats your opinion and your entitled to it lynx. i mean i dont think Arwen is lousy in the movie by any means but yeah she could be better

[Lynx]

haha. Aragorn is hands down better. :-) so is Leoglas. Can't get much better than them.

Though I will say that Hayden did get better at acting as the movie went on. I'll give him that much credit. But the beginning he was just too whiny for my liking.

Arwen wasn't that bad, granted yes she could have been better. The only part with her I didn't like that much was the whole thing on the bridge with Aragorn in Rivendell. That part gets on my nerves somewhat.

Lynx

[Tar-Ancalimë]

aw i love heyden.

though i do admit aragorn and legolas are way better. and heyden is a little young for me... lol :blush: oh well

[Finrod Felagund]

Some (maybe just me) feel she used her name to get the job and/or PJ & Co used her name for marketing purposes. She's the only name recognizable to the MTV crowd who just happens to be their target audience.
To answer the pole, again, G got Shanked

[Bonos-Girl]

well...if your dad was steve tyler you wouldprobably use htat fact to your advantage as well....you wouldn't just ignore it or change it would you??!!!

[Finrod Felagund]

change it, no I wouldn't, use it to my advantage , sure.
But I must live with the reprecussions of my using that name and so must everyone else, but that doesn't mean they have to like it.
Do I fault her for using Daddy to get her way, no. Do I like the outcome of said use, nope

[Tar-Ancalimë]

*sighs* well folks she did and she got it and thats the way life is and we mostly waste our time talking about what it should be....

[Lynx]

okay this is going to be a stupid question: who is steve tyler?

Lynx

[Loravarnion Darkstone]

Steve Tyler is the lead singer of Aerosmith (the one who can fit an apple in his mouth).
I personally think Liv is good, I mean critics very rarely say anything but praise about her. I've seen other performances like Dr T and the women and she sucked, but what about armageddon?
whatever, every review I've seen of lord of the rings says that there are absolutely no bad performances right down to the extras and I stick by that statement.
If nothing else, Liv did a good job in LotR, and I don't think anyone saw the trailer and didn't get goosebumps at the "come and claim him" line.
besides, her role is ten ,minutes long, so don't let that spoil a three hour movie.
an another thing, people all say her role was changed drastically, well let me tell you..
a). she was 3000 years old, do you really think she would spend the whole time sewing?
b). in the books her "role" summed up to two lines and maybe five pages of mention. A character that small and unimportant doesn't have to stick completely to her literal partner.

[Bonos-Girl]

the whole point is that she IS a minor character.....

[Tar-Ancalimë]

And that a few of us think she should have stayed that way :)

[Catz]

the thing is Darkstone...that yes once the decision was made to include Arwen it was evident theyd have to extend her role...thats fine....but the actress they cast, Liv Tyler, couldnt perform the role....tho role shes performing now is an altered one to accommodate her shortcomings...and thats a pity.....i wish i could see it played by someone with conviction...that said, Tyler is adequate......but we could have had so much more
and the "come and claim him" line makes me cringe.....sorry it might have worked had she given it a more calm, cool tone....which would have made it sound less like a Dirty Harry movie
:catz:

[Loravarnion Darkstone]

shmeh, even several Arwen haters that I know admit to being more open to her after seeing that line in the trailer.
I would have thought you'd all be happy that Liv can't fight, that means she wn't in the movie either.
I'm happy with a complete Rorry Calhoon in the Arwen department.

[Catz]

oh believe me...i AM.....notworthy notworthy thank you oh movie gods......:rolleyes: roflmao
and i know several peeps who were fine with Livs casting until they heard that line....different strokes as they say
the delivery of that line kind of shoots holes in the "but Arwen isnt really meant to fight" arguement tho....cos if she cant fight(the character im talking about here....not Liv....:naughty: ;).....we KNOW she cant fight lol ), what the heck is she doing making like Termie to the Nazgul?
i just think it could have been so much better and its a pity to settle for adequate when you could have had wonderful....but then, had Liv not been cast we might have gotten worse i guess.....;) difficult tho that is to imagine:rolleyes: roflmao
:catz:

[Tar-Ancalimë]

I was always under the impression Arwen could fight. It was only Liv that can't...

in worst cast possible someone suggested Britney Spears as Arwen-- come on catz now wouldn't that really be worse?

[Catz]

there are some things that are just too horible to contemplate:elfeek:
and as for Arwen being unable to fight or not, i was just referring to an argument proposed to me, that was basically that "it was OK that liv looked clumsy with a sword cos Arwen(the character) couldnt fight....."
my personal opinion is that in all her years shed have learned one end of a sword from the other at the very least...unlike Livvie;) lol
:catz:

[Tar-Ancalimë]

Oh yes that's what I meant too. I would think she'd have learned at least a little, what with traveling between Rivendell and Lorien so much.

[Adamenta]

Well if a name helps her along the way, more power to her I say, but, there was already a hugh audience that extends back 20-30yrs just waiting for this movie.
Her reputation/and role in this movie seems pretty luke-warm to me from what I've seen on this and other boards, so I personally don't think she was that much of a draw card.
I thought at the Ford, she was only trying to lure the Nazgul into the water. Don't think she ever intended to take it to them!
I've said it before and I'll say it again I'm glad Arwens role was expanded. Live Tyler and all!

Sorry Gorfindel mecry

[Loravarnion Darkstone]

yeah I was actually about to say that, Adamenta! I think she was only luring the nazgul into the water, and she does sound very smooth and relaxed when she says if you want him, it's then that she changes her tone into a challenge with come and claim him!!!

[Catz]

roflmao roflmao i think thats hormones talking lol
i didnt hear it like that, but then she doesnt have much range really...to me she sounded smug and rather smarmy...and given that the Ringwraiths main weapon is fear, wouldnt showing, or pretending to show fear have lured them into the water just as effectively? but ok, even if that was the case i still dont think waving that sword about was nec if she was not able to use it now we know that in the original conception of the role the character was able to, but Liv does not convince me at all.....in fact if i was Frodo, id be more worried about her waving that damn thing over my head than the Nazgul :o :rolleyes:
:catz:

[Tar-Ancalimë]

lol thats halarious catz so would i!!!

[Loravarnion Darkstone]

it's pretty obvious that it's a stunt woman when you actually see her holding the sword, which is only once or twice.

[Catz]

one set of shots was....one wasnt......the closer ones were her i think...long shots def werent cos the horse is in shot...her drawing the sword was Liv....she looked uncomfortable and clumsy...
:catz:

[Bonos-Girl]

as usual........it would've been kinda ok if liv could actually weild a sword without looking stupid but she can't so....

[Pil]

Still think arwen wouldn't have done that... :huh: :angry: :p

[Bonos-Girl]

what do you think she should do..........IMO she shouldn't have been there in the first place

[Loravarnion Darkstone]

you don't even see her drawing the sword, just her shoulder raising slightly with the sound of drawn steel!
I don't think she looked clumsy at all (well maybe once when it showed the ringwraiths being swept away, but she was battling a panicking horse at the same time as holding up a heavy sword and supporting the weight of Frodo, so it's understandable, not even sure if it was her in that scene anyway)

[Bonos-Girl]

probably not but it could've been.