worrying rumours...

[ScorpioQueen]

I've just read the TTT possible spoilers and they are v. distrubing. I'm getting seriously worried about TTT - no shelob, more arwen, back to lorien! Am i the only one who is getting a tad worried about all these massive changes???

~Jo-Anne~

[A! Elbereth]

I am just a little worried, but not too much. Everyone who worked on the set said the film is anything but bad... and is more accurate in the character's views/actions (besides Saruman, of course ;)) I also heard one say it was "Somehow" more accurate than FOTR.... but I cannot see it.

We just have to wait.......................................
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.............................argh! pfbbt

[Tar-Ancalimë]

if its ANYTHING like FotR TTT can't possibly be bad

[Bonos-Girl]

but it could be not as good as it could be

[Catz]

nothing is ever as good as it could be.....theres no point in getting into a lather over it tho.......we just have to wait and see...
:catz:

[Mrs. Baggins]

No Shelob? Since when!?

[Princess Greenleaf]

since PJ said so...hehee...he did confirm it.

sad isn't it? mecry

[Calenhendi]

Part of an article from Entertainment Weekly:

CREATURE COMFORTS Quel scandale! Shelob, the she-spider that battles Sam at the end of J.R.R. Tolkien's ''The Two Towers,'' has been booted to the third movie. ''If we started 'Return of the King' after Shelob -- the way the books do -- there'd be very little for Frodo and Sam to do,'' says Jackson.

Read the entire article here. (http://www.ew.com/ew/report/0,6115,217185~1~0~dishonlotrtwo,00.html)

[ScorpioQueen]

am i the only one who disagrees wiv PJ bout shelob - i mean how can there NOT be a lot for Frodo and Sam to do in ROTK, now that shelob has been pushed back to ROTK there isn't going to be much for Frodo and Sam 2 do in TTT!!! It's all gonna be helms deep! Dont get me wrong but i wanna c more than helms deep!!! lol

[Tar-Ancalimë]

sure helms deep i want to see but the movie is three hours long helpms deep only like 40. and there's way more that frodo and sam do in TTT than in RotK.
though i will miss seeing her this december

[Lady Ashley]

*sigh* Yet there is not much use in crying over spilled milk.

But like Eomer said..."Need brooks no delay, yet late is better than never."

[Elf angel]

:(

[ssatellite]

It's too bad they can't just keep it as the book has it. What a spectacular cliff hanger that would be!

[TheRingBearer]

So how do you think it'll end now. I personally think it should end with Gollum leading Frodo and Sam down the passage to shelobs lair and at the last minute some huge spidery legs come into shot just before the credits roll, just to give you a taste of what's to come.

[Tar-Ancalimë]

I don't think it will though. I think they'll have just finished climbing the stairs of Cirith Ungol. That's what I heard anyway.
:)

[Orc]

I think that like the end of FotR, it will end on a slightly upbeat note - looking ahead to the next movie. My guess is that we'll get the classic "ridding off into the sunset bit" like we did at the end of the last movie - Sam and Frodo head towards mordor, while Aragorn, Gimli and Legolas chase off after Merry and Pip. I think they will end Sam and Frodo's journey as they leave Farimir. A bit on the upbeat side, yet preparing for the most serious and hazardous part of their journey. On the other end of things, Aragorn and Co. will be riding to the rescue of Gondor. It's a good place to end as there will be no big cliff hangers.

[Bonos-Girl]

i heard that it will end with them climbing up the stairs too

[Tar-Ancalimë]

yeah i was talking to my friends who havent read the books i explained how the book ended they said it was better this way people who havent read the books know whats going on...

i say READ THE BOOKS!!

[A! Elbereth]

I hope the movie ends with Frodo and Sam... because personally I found their relationship the most touching of anything I have ever seen/heard... absloute beauty it is.... and to end it that way may ease my soul a bit to the fact that they are cutting so much out...

*remembers Frodo/Sam relationship and sighs*
I had nearly forgotten

[Daisy Gamgee]

Ok, so it might not be exactly the same as the book, no movie adaption ever is, but i think that he did a pretty good job so far sticking with the story so give him chance to prove what hes doing before you start ranting that it'll mess up the films.

I reackon that TTT will be pretty amazing whatever has been left out or included or whatever, if FOTR is anything to go by.

And not everything that is written can translate that well to film format - so if he had of been exact to the book, it may have ruined it and made the film a pile of poo

[Catz]

exactly Daisy....why would you want a movie exactly the same as the book?....thats why youve got the book....let the movie be itself....itll be good...not the same, but good;) :grin: :cool:
:catz:

[TheRingBearer]

Yeah I agree with that. A movie is a movie, even if it is based on a book.

[Tar-Ancalimë]

I totally agree daisy that PJ did an excellent job. i think most of us wouldn't be here if that weren't so!

[Bonos-Girl]

yeh...it's only BASED on the book it isn't meant to be an exact replica

[Treebeard]

Has anyone seen the new SFX?

In the LOTR section they reveal:
1. Shelob will not be in The Two Towers; and
2. If the three films are a success (no doubt), Jackson will think about making the Hobbit!

[TheRingBearer]

Yeah I heard about Shelob but The Hobbit news is new.

[Orkybash]

Heck, my favorite movie of all time was based on a book but made some pretty major deviations.

And gee, what a coincidence, it was by the same director as TTT! :)

[Tary]

No shelob till return of the king sorry but i can not help being happy about that I was not looking forward to that part.

[Quickbeam15]

No quickbeam...

Sad...

[Feathár]

....why would you want a movie exactly the same as the book?....thats why youve got the book....let the movie be itself....itll be good...not the same, but good

I concur.

changing Tolkien's writing isn't necesarilly a bad thing. I mean no movie could ever live up to the world you make in your head.... PJ just throws in extra exciting things to heighten the drama... movies work diferent from books in terms of pacing ect... He also, IM shure, makes changes to challenge the tolkien enthusiast. It's fun to pick out the lines in the story that are alterations of ones from the book... or which are given to other characters, ect. ... even going as far as to give us things that im shure many fans wanted.... who honestly liked the battle at Helm's deep being all men? A squad of Elves, being sent as good faith, seems more realistic in a way, and a hell of a lot cooler. Entertainment, excitment, inspiration, that's what matters... if you treat it like a school report, it woudln't be exciting. IT would just be same old ho-hum "been there done that" sort of thing... and it certainly wouldn't be satisfying, since like ive said, it can't capture what our imaginations can.... we just be underwhelmed.

[Aerandir]

Ok, no Shelob? Um...that's stupid!

~Aerandir

[Darbu]

Its been explained many times why Shelob is not going to be in the movie.

If you work out the actual time line of the books of where things occured, Shelob would actually appear at the time of events that are occuring in ROTK

[Elentari]

It makes sense to me that they might have to re-arrange some events to make them logical in the film. In the book, we are going back and forth between Frodo, Sam & Gollum, and what's happening to the rest of the fellowship. It would be a great cliffhanger, but I'm determined to enjoy it for itself, and not compare it to the death, and rob it of it's potential joy!

[Aerandir]

Hobbit? Might be fun, maybe not though.

~Aerandir

[Kwijibo]

I'm gonna reapeat what I said in the ... er ... something else thread ... I don't know which one ... that film and page are 2 very different media. In a book, you can see what YOU see and take it at YOUR own time. In a film, you are SHOWN what to see and are CARRIED along.
I know for a fact that PJ has spent a lot of time on the battles - he wants those to be perfect - and on Aragorn/Arwen/Elrond background (which we were told about in Rivendell in the 1st book and in the Appendicies), and even Gollum background, as well as on Frodo and Sam. You've got a whole new bunch of characters (Theoden, Eomer, Faramir, Gollum) to introduce and if a giant spider suddenly appears, is killed and Frodo is captured people will be like,
'Hey! Where'd that come from?' They've got to instigate F&S's trust in G first. Plus there's Gandalf the White, Ents and the Voice of Saruman. We've read the books, so we'll keep up, but someone who doesn't know the story will get lost (my friend got lost in FotR first time - 'Hang on, we were just climbing a snowy mountain and now the wizard's dead? What gives?' - she had to see it again).
Moving Shelob was the best thing, they couldn't exactly shift Saruman into the 3rd film, could they?

I've made my point so I'll shut up now :)

[Chalili]

Hmm... well, I think this'll be good... Even with Shelob postponed until RoTK. I mean, how could it not be great(even with most people's extremely high expectations)? I'm pretty sure this isn't just my opinion...

[Daisy Gamgee]

Kwijibo, my thoughts exactly:thumbs:

Chalili, yup, no doubt that this film will be as awesome, and probably then some, as the first movie:thumbs:

[Ithielnor]

I agree!

I read the books before I saw the movie, so all threw I was thinkin'....'thats not the way it works'.....'where is Bombedill??'....'they left out a lot'. I finally dicided that 'Hey, that was the book, this is the movie, they are both good.'

I'm looking forward to TTT!

[Quickbeam15]

No Quickbeam!!!!!!

[Iarfirithwen]

Most of it doesn't worry me. I mean you have to expect changes with adapting such a mammoth book to film. The changes to FOTR didn't really worry me, I thought Aragorn should've been more uncertain and they should've spent more time in Lothlorien (both of which came through in the SEE). The only thing that worries me a little so far given the TTT rumours is the thought that they are reducing the wisdom of Faramir and Legolas. Faramir for being tempted to take the ring to his father and Legolas being...unhappy..the elves weren't helping at Helms Deep (initially) I mean there were reasons for both these things, Faramir is different from Boromir in complex ways and legolas understands there are other problems/skermishes/fights elsewhere in Middle-earth that his people would have to take part in. Assuming of course those two rumours are true. That worries me a little but they're minor worries. I'm okay with them exploring things that weren't in the book for the film (i.e., Elrond and Galadriel et al). Aslong as Arwen is confined to Rivendell, Lothlorien and Aragorn's dream sequences, I'll be happy. If they ditch any of Eowyns action/role to emphasise Arwen is some warrior elf - then I'll be most upset.

In short, I'm not going in there expecting it to be the same as the book. I did this for FOTR and was blown away by it, and i was surprised by how much it stuck to the book. I have faith in PJ to do justice the book and its spirit. If it makes more people want to read the book then I'll be very happy indeed. I just hope they don't change the characterisations of Faramir (he should be a reasonably wise steward in waiting not his fathers lap dog) and Legolas (he should show some wisdom - he's an elf for XXX sake). Stay true to the spirit of the story and the characterisations and I don't minor additions or cuts to the film (like with FOTR-SEE).

Iarfirthwen

[Sharky]

Bookwise, the story in RotK only takes up a 2/3rds of the book, so it makes sense to me to move some scenes from TTT to RotK to even out the length of the two movies.

[Aegis Of Pyros]

Ithielnor,
What I plan to do is much diffrent, I have NOT read the books, im going to see the movie, then read the book. I saw FoTR movie first, then i read the book. Believe it or not, it was great to do that. Some people said the books are hard to understand, so once to see a visual representation of the book, then go back and read it, you really can tell what is goin on.

~Protection of Fire

[Ithielnor]

hmmm....I read the books about a month before the movie came out.(actually I didn't see it in the theater, I had to wait till it came out on dvd mecry ) Your idea is probably better though, I just don't have that much selfcontrol, and once I read the FotR I
HAD to read the rest;)

[Aegis Of Pyros]

well, it's your decision, good luck with all of that...

~Protection of Fire

[krylite]

I thought the main stuff Frodo and Sam do in TTT was interact with Gollum? The whole exploration of Gollum's character and how he dislikes Sam but gains the trust of Frodo as a fellow ringbearer was the most intriguing part of the TTT imho rather than a giant Shelob spider monster.

[Gilthoniel]

!!SPOILERS BELOW!!


Yes Jo Anne, I am a little worried. Faramir as a continuation of Boromir concerns me (wants to take the ring from Frodo), which kind of destroys the complex relationship he had with his father, not to mention that he, like Aragorn, is supposed to represent a renewal of hope.
Also,Aragorn riding a warg off a cliff is one thing, but having his companions leave him for dead and continue on to Helm’s deep is quite another. ( why wargs attack Rohan civilians in the first place is unknown to me). I’m going to really miss Merry and Pippin in the “flotsam and jetsam” chapter....they won’t greet Gandalf while smoking pipe weed at Isengard, instead, they’ll be delivered to Gandalf by Treebeard. Many reviewers get tired of the “hopeless” theme ; “there is no hope” “there’s still hope”, “all hope is lost” “hope has forsaken us” etc., etc. At least the film seems to be fairly faithful to Gollum, which is, well, hopeful. Though I certainly feel that Jackson is a highly skilled and dedicated filmmaker, I was slightly disappointed with the emotional one-dimensionality in much of FoTR (i.e.- Bree was supposed to be a warm and welcoming place that allowed the hobbits to let down their guard- which was the most dangerous thing they could do, unlike in Jackson’s film, where Bree seems threatening, and they let down their guard anyway). It seems there will be a lot more of that it TTT, which Jackson himself admits is a far greater departure from the books than FoTR. I guess we'll just have to wait and see.