'The fellowship of the Ring' movie - moments that made you cringe

[Arwenevenstar]

Moments in 'Lord of the Rings' that made you cringe. For example - 'It must be cast into the firey chasm from whence it came.' *CRINGE*pfbbt

[Lady Melody]

cringe? As in fear?

When that cave-troll sneaked on Frodo, that scared me!

[Catz]

no Chibi....Arwen means cringe as in embarrassment and horror....like "You shall beeeee.....The Fellowship Of The Ring!!!"
good lord you could heat the capitals and the exclamation points thudding into place!!! CHEEEEZZZEEEY
:catz:

[Bonos-Girl]

that was officially the cheesiest bit in the entire film......'you shall be the Fellowship of the Ring!!!'

[Miruvor]

cringiest parts for me were:

Aragorn chewing up that Athelas and putting it on Frodo's wound. (I have to close my eyes everytime.)

Then Arwen crying over Frodo at the ford, when she only just met him. (Give me a break!)

Then the creepy way they made Frodo's skin and eyes look with broken capilaries and bloodshot eyes. (Yuk, gross.)

The dumb way he screws up his face and screeches whenever he gets wounded. (How dare he do that to such a pretty face!)

Borimir's line "My Brother, my Captain, My King" (I mean, is he trying to out-do Greta Garbo for the the most over-the-top Death scene?)
pfbbt :o pfbbt :o pfbbt :o pfbbt :o pfbbt :o pfbbt :o pfbbt :o pfbbt

[TheRingBearer]

I'd agree with the 'fellowship of the ring' line by Elrond.

I'd also say this part:
Frodo: Shire...Baggins... but... THAT WILL LEAD THEM HERE!!

Duuuuuurrrrr :)

[Princess Greenleaf]

Gee...after long thoughts...

Gandalf: "Bilbo Baggins, I am not a conjurer of cheap tricks...I am merely trying to help you!"

Bilbo: "Oh Gandalf..." *cries*

blah...

pfbbt


:o

pfbbt

:o

[Nessa]

Princess Greenleaf! :o I love that part! Ah well, to each there own I guess.

Arwenevenstar you are the greatest, I have been waiting for a thread like this for ages!

Arwen: What's this? A Ranger caught off his guard? ACK!!!!

Arwen's whole crying over Frodo episode..... :rolleyes:

When it takes Frodo an entire five minutes to collapse after being stabbed by the cave troll.

Wizards break-dancing, nothing more need be said.

Celeborn.

Sam's thirty minute drowning scene.

Oh, yes, there are others.

[Catz]

ahhh thank you Nessa...that damn Arwen line....makes me cringe every time.....i hit the mute now lol lol
:catz:

[Nessa]

The 'fast-forward' button can be one's best friend at times. ;)

lol

[Mirkgirl]

Nazguls chasing the hobbits - c'mon the last orc in diapers would have caught them

[Arwenevenstar]

What about......
Nazgul : Give us the halfling she-elf
Arwen : I do not fear them *CRINGE*

[TheRingBearer]

I thought that some of Arwen's lines were pretty cool and I don't exactly 'hate' the Ranger caught of guard line. I thought it was a good way of introducing her :huh: ;)

[Eowyn]

I agree with the 'you shall be the fellowship...' line.
oh and of course the break dancing wizards. what the....?
I'll watch it and pick out some more lines. I know there's at least one but I think I've successfully repressed it. :huh:

[Lady Melody]

Tis okay overall... except if you'd like the awe feeling, it's when Gladriel made her eyes all big when she's telepathing to Frodo

"The one who's seen the EYE!!!"

Yikes!

[A! Elbereth]

Originally posted by Nessa
When it takes Frodo an entire five minutes to collapse after being stabbed by the cave troll.

Personally, I always thought it was slow motion, and they they were showing him in pain while they were fighting?....:blush:....

Someone else mentioned his face when he gets stabbed... what would you look like if you were stabbed by a morgul blade/Cave Troll? :o ;)

yea ok! I know what your saying! You're right! lol lol

Originally posted by ChibiMelody
Tis okay overall... except if you'd like the awe feeling, it's when Gladriel made her eyes all big when she's telepathing to Frodo

"The one who's seen the EYE!!!"

Yikes!

I thought the fact that Frodo could teleport back was AWESOME... because he had the ring, he could do that - very cool :thumbs: I think Frodo looks great when Galadriel is explaining the mirror of Lothorien... Frodo's face is almost un-readable, if you haven't read the book that is.. (which i didn't the first time I saw it)

[Little Devil]

The whole bit on the bridge, Arwen going on about giving up immortal life bla bla bla. Borrring!
Frodo: Sam, I'm glad your with me. oh please

[Undomiel]

hmmm...where do i start:

Definitely the "You shall be the fellowship of the ring" line

When Frodo gets stabbed by the cave troll and looks like he's dying spectacularly and when Aragorn gets there he just sits up and goes "I'm not hurt" as if nothing happened-if you werent hurt why did you look like you were about to die???????ARGH

Galadriel when she speaks so slowly that you think she mite just grind to a halt, and also when she goes 'nuclear'

The fact that the guy who played Celeborn sounded like a robot

The "a wizard arrives precisely when he means to" line just a bit too cheesy for my liking

When Gimli goes on about Balin giving them a royal welcome when in the book he knew as well as the others that it seemed likely Balin was dead.

Dont get me wrong i love the movie as a whole piece, but its v. easy to pick up on stuff i dont like

[Tar-Ancalimë]

OK I hated it where Arwen cried over Frodo (grrrr Tyler grrrr death).

I hated Gimli's stupid pathetic crying over the dead orcs and dwarves in the entrance of kazahd-dum (by the way the fellowship didn't see dead bodies till balin's tomb int he book).

I think Cate Blnchett is not a great Galadriel and I fast forward through most of her lines.


Originally posted by Miruvor
Borimir's line "My Brother, my Captain, My King" (I mean, is he trying to out-do Greta Garbo for the the most over-the-top Death scene?)
OMG!!
I loved that line to death! Wow, that was the best scene in the movie. And Boromir makes my heart go pitter-patter. And that line is one of his best!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Lady Melody]

The "a wizard arrives precisely when he means to" line just a bit too cheesy for my liking

Okay, suuuuree... you can go dig up Tolkien's grave and tell him you don't like it, then kick the scripwriters' @$$ for bad transposing.... I happen to be fond of that line! One of the few that actually followed the book...

When Gimli goes on about Balin giving them a royal welcome when in the book he knew as well as the others that it seemed likely Balin was dead.

Give the poor Dwarf a break, he didn't know, and also, he's most probably stubbornly insisting on his cousin's well-being to comfort himself! It's hard to crack a dwarf's hide, but they're really VERY loyal... he obviously loved his cousin...

I hated Gimli's stupid pathetic crying over the dead orcs and dwarves in the entrance of kazahd-dum (by the way the fellowship didn't see dead bodies till balin's tomb int he book).

How would you feel if you see your own kin slayed like that and strewn all over the place?

I think Cate Blnchett is not a great Galadriel and I fast forward through most of her lines

I don't know about that, but I believe she made an excellant Galadriel! Although, she's supposed to seem more wise that a bit sneaky in appearance though...

I'd be at it all day... but anyways... it's overall okay, I repeat, OKAY! Oh, well... everyone has their own reasons about their own opinions of this movie...:elf:

[Daughter of Finarfin]

I didn't like the Wizard's Duel either. I mean, if they have to fight (which they don't in the book), they could have made it a lot different. It just looks cheesy

I love Viggo and Aragorn to death, but has anyone noticed they always do shots of him in slow-mo with his hair blowing in the wind. I just don't like it.

Sam's, "this is the farthest from home I've ever been." If that's the farthest he's been then how does he know a couple of miles later that Pippin and Merry are stealing from Farmer Maggot? How did he know that was Farmer Maggot's land?

[Catz]

ok guys please remember that this is all OPINIONS...so when posting in here keep it light...remember that a line you loathe may be another persons absolute favourite so dont just bash...and by the same token, try not to bite if someone hates your favourite line or scene ok?
the only biting round here will be done by yours truly:naughty: lol ;)
and now in the immortal words of Monty Python....
"get on with it....."roflmao roflmao
:catz:

[Miruvor]

I think it's OK so far, Catz. There has only been nipping at the line, but not crossing over into personal attacks. Some movie lines may really deserve to be hotly defended, when opinions differ. I see this thread as like to the council of Elrond, when everyone was out of their seats and talking all at once.
It's great! But we heed your warning to watch out for that line. :battle: (Back you devils!)

So on with the show. I cannot believe I am so dumb. I never even noticed that about Sam and Farmer Maggot's land. Maybe he'd been looking at Bilbo's maps for too long. But really, it would have been more appropriate for Frodo to say it, but it sounded cuter coming from Sam's mouth.
:duh:
One more thing that makes me cringe. When Gandalf says 'One Ring to bring them all and in the darkness bind them.' It sounds like he is saying 'Bite' them. I hate that!
Then at the council Gimli says 'I will be damded if I'll see the ring in the hands of an elf'. Well that was way too strong a statement, plus he spit all over his beard. (or something else, yuk)
And I HATE that birth of Lurtz scene and his blue drooling scene.
(How come we don't have a 'disgust' or 'cringe' smiley?)

[Tar-Ancalimë]

Originally posted by ChibiMelody
Give the poor Dwarf a break, he didn't know, and also, he's most probably stubbornly insisting on his cousin's well-being to comfort himself! It's hard to crack a dwarf's hide, but they're really VERY loyal... he obviously loved his cousin...

OK fine so you're defending the movie Gimli here, but I say, in the books, Gimli was like "My heart would be glad to go to Moria" but he feared the rumors and silence of that place... so by comparison he's just really messed in the movie. Since in the book he already suspects something is wrong and kind of fears to go in there. Kind of.
Not so in the book.

I don't think Cate made an excellent Galadriel. Her line "One who has seen the eye"! Oh puh-leeese! It's like, yeah right. And then when she says "I know what it is you saw" i have nothing against the line just the way she says it urgh drives me up the wall.

And Catz really this is all no offense meant! :grin:

[Catz]

tis cool :cool: lol :thumbs:
:catz:

[TheRingBearer]

I thought that all the characters had been cast as well as possible (except maybe Haldir :grin: ) Sorry I just had to.

[A! Elbereth]

Originally posted by Little Devil

Frodo: Sam, I'm glad your with me. oh please

OMG! I loved that line! It was the last line of the whole film and it made me cry!!! mecry mecry oh well, sappy isnt for a few people's likings...

[Tar-Ancalimë]

I luved it 2

[Miruvor]

I loved it too, even though it's misplaced from ROTK. It made for a beautiful ending.

[Princess Greenleaf]

I watched it again over the weekend and thought about it:

Saruman's nails when he's waving over the Palantir...ich!!!

Galadriel going nuclear...

Gandalf saying 'and in the darkness BIND them!' I hate how he put the emphasis on bind!

Sting just looked too glowy...buggin' me.

oh gosh, I can't think of anymore...sorry.

[Lady Melody]

we'll most probably be at this for a LONG time if we don't quit bashing and defending! lol

[Miruvor]

We're not bashing - we are cringing.
:shhh:

[Undomiel]

agreed. i love the movie but there's always bits that make me think "but the character wouldnt have done that". There are little things in the books that i dont think are right but it doesnt mean i dont absolutely adore them!!

[Tar-Ancalimë]

oh absolutely same here

[Princess Greenleaf]

ditto!

[Kalimac]

>>Frodo: Sam, I'm glad your with me. oh please.<<
>>I loved it too, even though it's misplaced from ROTK. <<

Sam does actually say similar lines at the end of the book, Fellowship of the Ring. Here is a direct quote:

"So all my plan is spoilt!" said Frodo. "It is no good trying to escape you. But, I'm glad, Sam. I cannot tell you how glad. Come along! It is plain that we were meant to go together. We will go, and may the others find a safe road! Strider will look after them. I don't suppose we shall see them again."
"Yet we may, Mr. Frodo. We may," said Sam.

And those are the last words spoken in the book.

It's funny, but almost every 'cringe' moment I once had I now have grown to appreciate. I even like Elrond's line about being, 'the Fellowship of the Ring.'

[Kalimac]

Meant to compare the book lines to the movie lines in the above post.

They lines have just been shifted around a bit.

Frodo: Mordor. I hope the others find a safer road.
Sam: Strider will look after them.
Frodo: I don't suppose we'll ever see them again.
Sam: We may yet, Mr Frodo. We may.
Frodo: Sam. I'm glad you're with me.

[Tar-Ancalimë]

well i love the movie so ah well... even the cringe parts are good
youre right

[Miruvor]

Kalimac, I find the line from ROTK a bit closer to the actual words (at the end of 'Mount Doom'):

"For the quest is acheived, and now all is over. I am glad you are here with me. Here at the end of all things, Sam."

Should be interesting to see if they use it again in that movie.

P.S. everybody. This is an endearing line to me, not a cringe line.mecry

[Bonos-Girl]

omg....when they speak to each other at the council and they all say '??? son of ???' or '??? heir to???' in real life no-one would have actually said this and the line legolas says 'this is aragorn son of arathorn' is really weird because surely they should have all been introduced at the beginning otherwise no-one would know who they were talking to

[Miruvor]

(They all met at the Hall of fire, but that was cut out, he he.)

But I was watching the little special things on the DVD just yesterday and found some I hadn't seen before. There was a preview of the extended edition and one scene was when Borimir was looking at the Narsil shards, he then sees Aragorn and asks who he is. Aragorn just says he's a friend of Gandalfs. These bits were new to me. I was glad i found them before turning the DVD in. The extended excerpts look great.
Also, in some of the old TV previews, you could tell some shots of Lorien that we saw, were also done in a warmer light instead of all blue. That would have looked so much better in the movie. Also, there is a scene of the fellowship peeking over a hill and seeing the majestic Mallorn trees encicling and on top of the hill of Cerin Amroth. VERY beautiful.

:blush: Of course you guys have probably all seen these already.

[TheRingBearer]

Yeah that Cerin Amroth shot was great. Shame it wasn't in the film. Maybe the november dvd then :)

[Tar-Ancalimë]

i thought thats what we were talking about... this stuff being in the november dvd... am i wrong?

[Miruvor]

Yes, I believe I was watching the extended previews when i saw it. And the scene of Frodo and Sam watching the Elves on the way to the Grey Havens was also beautiful. Why in the world did they leave out these shots in the movie, I just can't imagine. It doesn't make sense. mecry

[Tar-Ancalimë]

because it was "too long" !
hah! i say it wasnt long enough! and i say the november edition wont be long enough! and i say all extended versions together wont be long enough to satisfy my needs!

[A! Elbereth]

:o*is in shock from Frodo rumors*:o

[Tar-Ancalimë]

I KNOW!!!!!!!!
THEY CAN'T BE TRUE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[A! Elbereth]

*cries* I am still in shock!!!! I need reassurance!!! Surely if this is true...I HAVENT SEEN THE MOVIE AND I AM ALREADY CRINGING IN EXTREME MENTAL PAIN!!!!!!!!! mecry

[Tar-Ancalimë]

same here. how could they do this thing?

[A! Elbereth]

*sits with worried silence, thinking* :o I don't know........... part of me doubts it... but the part that believes it is taunting my mind

Frodo's Rumor-----> :flamer: :battle: <-----Me

[TheRingBearer]

What Frodo rumours are these? Am I missing something?

[TheRingBearer]

OMG I just found out. And I'll say it again. NNNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!

[Undomiel]

wat wat wat?????????????????? where r they. plz sum1 tell me!!!!!

[TheRingBearer]

Look in the ROTK forum!!

[Undomiel]

I'm positive that's not true.

[A! Elbereth]

I think it was a misprinted copy of LOTR that brought this on... I think Galadriel 14 has a faulty copy

[TheRingBearer]

I sure do hope so! :rolleyes:

[Orkybash]

Worst cringe for me:

"Eight there are here yet nine there were sent out from Rivendell."

Akward line, horribly acted, and the fact that it's Celeborn's ONLY LINE is just the icing on the cake. Ick, I hope he gets a better roll in the November release...

Also, I hate it when Galadriel goes all weird... I love the dialogue, but couldn't they have done something a little more subtle? Like, make everything darken similar to Gandalf's "Bilbo Baggins! Do not take for for some conjurer of cheap tricks!" line. But the inverted colors and the slowed down sound just makes for a terrible effect....

[Tar-Ancalimë]

hey i liked galadriels crazy scene. i thought she looked pretty and intriguing and I wondered how bad it really would be if she took the ring.

must agree with you about celeborn though.

[Akiba]

"you have entered the realm ofthelady ofthe wood you cannot go back" ugggh yuck
I actually like Galadriel going all psycho was pretty cool

[Tar-Ancalimë]

yes i agree with everything you said. yucky haldir ewww.

[Loravarnion Darkstone]

Then Arwen crying over Frodo at the ford, when she only just met him. (Give me a break!)

ummmm, she would have been riding with him for two days, considerring she had been looking for him for just as long.
besides, not only is she an elf and thus in-touch with the rest of the world and it's pain, but she knew the burden Frodo carried, and if not weeping for him then for middle-earth.

[Bonos-Girl]

don''t be so evil to haldir......

[Orkybash]

Originally posted by Loravarnion Darkstone
ummmm, she would have been riding with him for two days, considerring she had been looking for him for just as long.
besides, not only is she an elf and thus in-touch with the rest of the world and it's pain, but she knew the burden Frodo carried, and if not weeping for him then for middle-earth.

Well said, Loravarnion. Well said.

[TheRingBearer]

Yeah. Arwen ain't that bad ;)

[Catz]

its not the fact that she cried that bothered me with that scene....altho those quivery blubbery lips were scary ;) lol ok, ok.....just joking....mostly....
it was the delivery of the lines......ive always thought of Elves as more in control of themselves.....that gaspy "Frodo!!! Noooo!!!!" i could live with it as an urgent entreaty....or even as sad...but she sounds like shes auditioning for General Hospital!!! Elves and histrionics dont go together in my opinion.....tho this just is opinion, ill admit lol lol
:catz:

[Miruvor]

"you have entered the realm of the lady of the wood you cannot go back"

Oh wow, I loved that. I thought it was one of the few things they got right about Lothlorien. :elfqueen:

As for Arwen crying over Frodo (quote of me) I still don't think the movie created any depth of relationship there enough to make that scene credible. :rolleyes: A strong earnestness would have suited better. Even if she did ride with him for two days, he was out of it the whole time. :snooze: Plus catz is right, you won't find any other elf there who will cry at the drop of a hat. mecry Maybe shes more than half human after all. :wicked:
(Although i DID really like the line "If you want him, come an claim him!") :battle:

[Tar-Ancalimë]

Yes that crying scene bothered me for the reasons catz and miruvor mentioned. Arwen's delivery of it was irritating because it was as though she didn't really take it seriously, or she thought there was nothing she could do... such as keep riding to Rivendell :)... it seemed to me to be very fake. Yes I always thought elves to be very staid and wise. Especially Arwen being 3000 years old ought to be wise enough not to go crying all over him as if that's the only thing within her power to do...


ps I thought she was a only a quarter human

[Pil]

I cringe at: 'Whom to you serve?' 'Saruman'.....i mean...like it NEEDED explaining! Sheesh! :rolleyes: lol

[Tar-Ancalimë]

Ah thats just how all bad guys are pil.

anyway I love the way he says it. Its just so...so... evil!

[Orkybash]

ooh, I thought of another cringe line:

"Give up the halfling, She-elf!"

She-elf? WTF?

[Akiba]

I can't standhow he says Saruman uggghhh but I like tat "give up the halfling..." I love how the Nazgul talk even though they do'nt talk alot

[Little Devil]

The Nazgul are funny when they try to speak lol what does WTF stand for?

[Orkybash]

I don't mind the Nazgul talking... but "She-Elf" makes Arwen sound way too much like "Arwen: Warrior Princess", moreso than anything else said or done in the movie.

WTF? stands for "What The ____?"

[Akiba]

Actually I always thouht that'sa what a chick ef wa called instead of just elf think heard that somewhere before too where they dd the she.... thing

[alexphy]

As much as I like Hugo Weaving (Elrond), I gotta say that most of his lines were too melodramatic. AARRGGHH! :pfbbt:

[Little Devil]

Snore! :snooze: Elrond is so boring!

[Aubrey]

There were hardly any annoying or dumb things in FotR, but the ones there were...

I didn't like the actor who played Elrond, because of his character in The Matrix, which I've watched many times. Especially his first line... I always expect him to say:

"Welcome to Rivendell....Mister Anderson."

I think the guy is an okay actor, but he can't play in anything but the Matrix movies. It's just wrong.

And also, I really don't like the scene at Isendor, where Saruman and Gandalf are fighting. It's my opinion that men that old just should fight anymore. They should've thumb wrestled over it, or something. The two of them going at it, and getting all bloody was really creepy. Guys that old just shouldn't fight!!

Aubrey

[Pil]

Originally posted by Aubrey
They should've thumb wrestled over it, or something.

That is soooo amusing! I can imagine..."One, two, three, four, i declare a thumb war...begin!" lol

[Bonos-Girl]

i haven't seen the matrix yet.....i really should....i thought hugo was great as elrond...so dramatic....not as a bad thing....

[Pil]

:huh: You really confooooose me sometimes mate! lol

NIce to see you here...i told you i'd be here all day! Check out some of the links i've been posting...i've gone wild! lol :stomper:

P.S. C the matrix!

[TheRingBearer]

Yeah its great. I can't wait for the two new ones out next year.

[Ephel Duath]

lol ur all mad!
Elrond was a little too dramatic, but hey, with eyebrows like those u gotta have sumthin goin 4 ya

[Aubrey]

Ohh, come on! He ROCKED in Matrix. He may have been a little....melodramatic....in FotR. But he kicked butt in the Matrix

[Akiba]

I thought he rocked in both movies just really hated "you shall be the fellowship...." blah blah blah but I thought he was really cool There is no way I will go watch the next two movies Trinity an agent? come on I loved the matrix but would never go see the sequels

[Tary]

Oh yeah the part where arwen cries the was just plain WRONG.pfbbt

[Aubrey]

:elfeek: verymad :o :o :(

WHAT?!??!? TRINITY IS GOING TO BE A WHAT!??!! SHE IS NOT!! YOU'RE JUST MESSING WITH ME, RIGHT!???!

Trinity CAN'T be an AGENT!!?!! It's not possible!!!!!! How did THAT happen?!?!

No no no no no no no no no no no no no no.....

*:shakes head, and leaves the computer, suddenly feeling very depressed....:*


Aubrey

[Akiba]

oh dude I am so sorry it was just one of those rumor thingy's a very sure rumor but still a rumor thingy and it might not even be true ya know...umm yeah that's it ......it.might....not...even...be ...true and I know that's why I won't go watch it and was gonna say say something else but don't wanna make any one else go mental I didn't mind the part where Arwen cried cause as I said before I have nothing against the character or didn't

[A! Elbereth]

.....erm.... I am so lost lol

[Nessa]

As am I! lol

There is a Matrix thread in Other Movies. ;)

I didn't think Elrond was so bad, he had a few cringy lines, the worst being, "You shall be..... The Fellowship of the Ring!!!!" *cheezy music* Pip saved him, though. ;)

[Bonos-Girl]

he didn't write the lines himself y'know....don't ble#ame it all on him!

[Belaqua]

I really have to agree about the fellowship part, though i think everyone cringes when it comes on. Do we have a cringe smilie? if not, then there should be one. Definately somethin up with Elronds eyebrows. They must be separate entities or sumthin. And Arwen and her tears. Get a grip woman! Of course, all of this has been said before

[Gatsby]

as much as i love him i can't stand it when legolas feels that he alone needs to inform them of what they already know
"orcs!!" he's cute... but not too bright

definatley the arwen line "a ranger caught of his guard?" she knows that there in a hurry but she has to be all coy

"Let's hunt some orc"
i'm sorry i know a bunch of you love this line but it's so out of place!!

and arwen crying, so annoying
out
gatsby

[Ephel Duath]

i think sum 1 must hav shoved a steel v shaped thing in his 4head....lol
i reallllly hate the bit where elrond is healing frodo and they do that thing where he's speakin and frodo sort of flies over the screen and its all fading and that.....its soooooo lame:dragon:lol

[Belaqua]

yeah, its like some cheesy european art film. And when Arwen appears in that dress to Frodo. Why? Cheesy or what

[Ephel Duath]

u know i think she might b radioactive?

[Gatsby]

mecry stop making fun of elrond!! hugo did a fantastic job!! the fellowship line was bad but he has so many better ones. no one could've done a more admirable job.
out
gatsby
p.s i also think that weird fading thing sucked.

[Little Devil]

Werid fading thing??? am I missing something here?:huh:

[Ephel Duath]

u know? when frodo has been stabbed and arwen starts to cry and says blah blah blah spare him and then the sound goes all echoey and frodo drifts over the screen and elronds head is in the top left corner.its sooooo cheesy.
:dragon:

[Ephel Duath]

sorry gatsby i loved elrond but those eyebrows.......!
nah he was a bang up elven lord.:dragon:

[Ephel Duath]

also the lets hunt some orc line doesnt go with the rest of the dialogue i agree!took some gettin used to but its pretty gud.always think he's gonna say lets go kick sum butt lollol:dragon:

[Gatsby]

i don't think i would ever stop laughing if he said that!
out
gatsby

[Akiba]

I loved that line but I agree leave Elrond alone he might've made that line sound corny but everything els he doe makes up for those few seconds of cringing I didn't have a problem with the fading part but that's just me I also can't stand it when Legolas goes "and you have my bow" it's all blechy

[Aubrey]

Naw, none of those bothered me. Not even the whole Arwen-crying thing. I was pretty upset at that point, too, even though I knew he'd be okay.

The 'You shall be the Fellowship' line never bothered me. I didn't think about it twice, till I heard all of you talking about it! It doesn't seem to phase me a bit. As I said, I think the "Welcome to Rivendell" line is much MUCH MUCH worse, becuase every time I hear it, "Mister Anderson" pops into my head. I hear it every time...."Welcome to Rivendell...Mr. Anderson" He used the exact same tone, and method of speaking with his teeth clenched in both The Matrix, and that one line. It gets me every time.....

Aubrey

[Bonos-Girl]

how can the arwen crying line NOT bother you??!!

[Ephel Duath]

u know the other cheesy bit?when arwen is riding her horse wiv frodo and that branch snags her cheek and she gets a neat little scratch just to make her look a bit more....i dunno what it does but its stupid.......phew.:dragon:

[Bonos-Girl]

i like the scratch....it looks well cool on her actually.....maybe i just like seeing her hurt....joking!!

[Undomiel]

lol that's mean. I agree with the "let's hunt some orc" line-it was so out of place.
I was pleased that they showed Arwen appearing different to Frodo when he was ill coz that's what happened with Glorfindel-he saw Glorfindel as a bright white figure-i thought that was good. The bit that annoyed me in that scene was how slowly she talked. I mean for pity's sake, she could try to sound like she wasnt talking in slow mo!

[Belaqua]

ah, you see, i havn't read that bit in the book for ages. Forgot all about that. I'm an idiot. I thought that PJ was doing it to make her look all dramatic and beautiful and stuff. But i bet Glofindel didn't appear in slo-mo in the book did he? So why should the foolish elf woman whom i detest so do it! Argh.

[Bonos-Girl]

i know..it's like 'ok well this poor hobbit is dying...so i'm gonna talk as slowly as possible so that my rescue looks even more difficult!!'

[Undomiel]

exactly- then all of a sudden it goes back to normality and she gives up the slow mo speech. I mean her appearance would have looked good if it wasnt for the 'i'm about to grind to a halt mid-word' plus if he's dying it would have been alot more sensible to speak quicker lol

[Miruvor]

I think that was a great effect - white light, slow motion echo-y voice and flowing fabrics all combined. --- It shows her from Frodo's point of view in an ethereal dreamy state, then snaps to the actual real world view that the others see her in. It was perfect in my oninion.
:elfqueen:

[TheRingBearer]

Yeah I agree, because he is shifting into shadow so Arwen's appearence seems almost angelic.

[Ephel Duath]

altho it was a little cheesy 1st time, if it was in the book then goodo! I quite like it now.The horse is prettier than Arwen.

lol

[Belaqua]

nope. still not convinced. Arwen sucks. Hate her in the film and nothing will change my mind.

[Ephel Duath]

fine i wasnt saying i liked arwen, just the scene thing and her horse

[Gatsby]

this is not about arwen, this is about bad moments in the movie. if you want to moan and complain about arwen there are several threads where you can do so
out
gatsby
grr hate arwen ( in the film, in the book i have no problem with her)

[Akiba]

I didn't mind the crying part cause I don't mind Arwen and I know this si gonna sound so Incredibly stupid and it might seem like I'm the dumbest person in the world but who is Glorfindel or whatever? don't hurt me!!

[Gatsby]

okay sweetie... deep breath... glorfindel is the elf who saves frodo at the ford IN THE BOOK. he got the shaft in the movie. glorfindal is the man or... elf as it were. arwen really had no business there.
out
gatsby

[Akiba]

oka breathing rigt so I woul have no idea who he was so in the book Arwen really didn't save Frodo?

[Nessa]

NO!!

And what else, Frodo had the most terrifically heroic moment at the river (by himself, Glorfindel rode behind), which didn't make the cut into the film. verymad

But I've let it go. ;) And its not really on topic anyway....

So back to cringing!

[Bonos-Girl]

i think we've probably exhausted the entire list of cringe-worthy scenes!!

[TheRingBearer]

'Fellowship' isn't that flawed anyway. Its not really fair to post 9 pages worth of cringes to one of the best films ever :)

(Not that I'm saying it doesn't have problems ;))

[Bonos-Girl]

most of the posts are agreeing with earlier posts so its not really fair to say there are 9 pages of cringe-worthy moments!

[Little Devil]

Good point!

[Aranel]

OK, I'm new so not sure how this works, but i agre that Boromir's last words were a bit cheesy. And gay...
Having said that - i still cried when he died. I LOVE BOROMIR!!
:drool:

[Eowyn]

me too. but you already know that. :grin:

[Bonos-Girl]

i cried too....and trust me, im not a crying persno!! mecry...honest!!

[Undomiel]

o twas so sad-i dont think that was cheesy-i cry at that point every time mecry mecry mecry

[Akiba]

ok I didn't cry but CHEESY!!?? WHAT!!!???? no no no tey were reedeming and but yeah tht's my opinion awww poor poor Boromir (Lines not cheesy!)

[Bonos-Girl]

it was soooo sad.....i didn't cry at titanic and i'm saying this made me cry...that must tell you people something!! mecry

[Aranel]

ok ok!! it wasnt cheesy then! i was probably just me, being annoyed at him being killed off. it's so not fair! mecry why Boromir?? why?? he was the best!!
i thought he went out like a REAL MAN though - i mean, it took 3 arrows to stop him fighting and then he still managed to admit he was wrong and apologise before dying! :battle: (and, i might add, it took Aragorn AGES to kill just that one Uruk-hai...)

[Eomer]

the effects shot of Galadriel of what she may be if she had the one ring, I thought the CG was a bit **** in that. The other mentioned lines of Arwen was fine, just because it wasn't in the book doesn't mean it's cringy.

[Undomiel]

thta's true but i have to say i would have found some of the lines cringy if they had been in the book. that Galadriel bit is my least fave of the whole film. the others i can cope with, but that sucked.

[Bonos-Girl]

i agree......some of the other CGI was a bit too CGI-ish, but i could handle that....it was just galadriel

[Moses]

"Nobody tosses a dwarf"
and then a moment later
"No, not the beard"
Blargh.

What's with the break dancing wizards...oh okay...now i GET IT (points to Orthanc)

OH and...nah that's about it..
wait..
nah

[Bonos-Girl]

you don't like the gimli bit......i thought that was sooo amusing :)!!

[Simplehobbit]

at the beginning of the movie at Bag End. When the ring is on the table before Gandalf and Frodo. There is one part when Frodo gives the ring a sideways glance with a look of "ewwww, i don't ever wanna touch that thing!"pfbbt
It cracks me up everytime!

[Belaqua]

Yeah, to me it looks as if they are about to yell "shut up!" at it. Gandalf looks like hes annoyed at it for interupting their conversation.

[Little Devil]

Hehe, I love it. lol

[Eowyn]

dwarf tossing hehehehe! I think gimli's lines are funny not cringe worthy! :huh:

[Goldberry]

This isn't a line from the movie. I was particularily disappointed in the scenery from Lothlorien.

I saw the movie, 'Legend' yesterday. The plot was pretty stupid but the forest scenery was outstanding. Birds were singing, the forest was lush with color and life, while the slanting light gave it a somewhat somber look, as if it was the late afternoon of the world...or the dawn. The color was enchanting. I thought Lily's dress in the movie was a perfect Elven dress.

Anyway, just had to rant. I thought the scenery was what I'd imagine Lothlorien to look like. I wish Jackson had used those kinds of images. Sooooooooo magical!

[Bonos-Girl]

i love the film legend. its sooo cool!!! i love the scenery too!

[Undomiel]

i did think that Lothlorien seemed more creepy than beautiful really. I think it should have been greener and more luscious.

[Brindlescruff]

The part after Gimli says I will be dead before I see the Ring in the hands of an elf! and Legolas holds back the other elves, ghetto-style........ouch, cringe....

[Brindlescruff]

http://www.fanfiction.net/read.php?storyid=534018

i hope that works....funny stuff

[Tar-Ancalimë]

hee the funniest one ive ever found is this (http://www.dimensional.com/~mackys/irregular/content/2002-01/LotRScript.html) one... i laughed so hard... but anyway this isnt quite the thread is it? :grin: sorry

[Togo Bleecker]

Yeah, to me it looks as if they are about to yell "shut up!" at it. Gandalf looks like hes annoyed at it for interupting their conversation.

lol lol lolwell said! thats funny how Frodo and Gandalf both look at the ring at the same time, as if they had heard it and were about to ask each other "did you hear something?" Okay anyway with that said my "cringest" moments BEFORE i read the book were Arwen crying over frodo it had NOTHING to do with her acting but i was practically screaming "you could be riding RIGHT NOW!! AND SAVING HIM!!!" not to mention she stopped to watch the river destroy the nazgul first..when she could of said the spell and been on her merry ol- i -have -to -save this -hobbits -life way. Hmm i dont really remember all that much from when I FIRST watched it without reading the books. I remember making a disgusted face when Strider chews the Kings foil and places it on Frodo's wound..and then of course Frodo's reaction to the plant *-shudder shudder-*.
After i read the books of course (and yes im one of the sad souls who saw the movie and THEN was inspired to read the books..but hey! least i did read the books!) there were little things that bugged me. Like Gimli's scene at Balins grave. YES i would of been hysterical..YES the actor played it nicely but in the book it states *-searches around her desk for her FOTR book-* AHA!
"he is dead then," said Frodo (not gandalf..isnt that weird?)," i feared it was so." Gimli cast his hood over his face. To me that was sadder than a crying dwarf. I mean all through the book they tell us of how excited Gimli is about coming to moria, in the movie he seems more determined. I dont know maybe it is just me but i liked the way that was put in the book better than the movie. Dwarfs to me didnt seem to show their sorrow so freely. SO after all that...whew..that part makes me cringe.

As for roles of characters i saw the movie first i had no image of the characters before i read the books so i was not disapointed in anyone, and to tell you the truth i was picturing that actors/actresses in the movie as i read the book. (tough thing to do trying to picture elijah wood looking older than he is) I am done with my rambling and will shush up now. :)

[A! Elbereth]

Tar-Ancalimë that was hilarious, though it is a little inappropriate for the sight (because I was told this when I posted 'Monty Sauron') Especially when he says that someone desides to 'scare the bejaysus out of the AUDIENCE' lol

P.S. I don't know why, but Bilbo giving him the mithril coat etc. was surprisingly much to my amusement... my throat is now very hoarse from laughing :rolleyes: lol

[Little Devil]

Thanks! I liked it but I didn't think it was as good as the secret diaries. ;)

[Gilthoniel]

Lots to agree with on this thread.I first read the trilogy at a very young age 25 years ago, so I suppose I'm less open to some of Jackson's "artistic license". My least favorite line was Arwen's "With what grace is given me..."Ugh! "No one tosses a dwarf" was pretty bad too. With so much material in the books, why invent such nonsense?
For other Tolkien purists out there, the extended edition (which I discovered last week in a Target, in the book section, accidentally I'm sure) offers whole new reasons to cringe (SPOILER ALERT!); out-of-character moments like Frodo refering to another hobbit as an "idiot", Aragorn punching Gimli for snoring during a song (not a very noble or mature thing to do), Sam seeming disappointed when being presented with elven rope by Galadriel, and looking ruefully at Merry and Pippen's presents, asking "do you have any more of them daggers?", Aragorn welling up with tears over and over again, Frodo asking, on the way out of Rivendell "So, which way is Mordor"?....I could go on and on, but you'll find out for yourselves soon enough; some things are best left on the cutting room floor!

[Moses]

Thanks for that insight Gilthoniel.

[Bonos-Girl]

Originally posted by Gilthoniel
With so much material in the books, why invent such nonsense?


i agree...they cut out so much stuff because 'they couldn't fit it in' and then they added loadsa stuff....it doesn't make any sense at all!!!

[Moses]

If all you people out there say how **** it was of PJ to keep stuff in and to take stuff out, I say SHUT UP.

If you had any idea how hard it is to make a script from a book...

PJ did a great job. Stop whineing unless you can do better.

[Simplehobbit]

Brindlescruff----that was some funny stuff!!! I especially enjoyed the part about Arwen.roflmao

[Bonos-Girl]

i know it's hard and some of the stuff in the book wouldn't have worked translated onto film..but surely he could have included a bit more from the original.

[Gilthoniel]

Actually, Mr. Underhill, I do Have a fair idea of how hard it is to hard it is to translate a book into a script; I've been in the film industry 17 years, and have worked on and off with a friend of mine to translate a fantasy series of his into a film trilogy for Paramount for the past three years. He has had a fair sized team on it, and so far nothing has been satisfactory.

I have the utmost respect for those aspects of Jackson's film which do originate from Tolkiens work, but when he deviates from that work and invents new situations and dialogue the contrast, I feel, is often glaring. One can easily understand the need to cut certain sequences from the script- like Bombadil, who would have eaten away too much of the film's running time without forwarding to primary story arc in any appreciable way- but adding new material to a long established story is always a very risky proposition that NO artist attempts without knowing full well that he/she is making a gamble. It remains to be seen whether or not Jackson will be emboldened by his accolades enough to continue taking greater and greater risks by turning the remaining two films more towards his own vision, and away from Tolkien's. Doing so may provide a sense of creative fulfillment but it also betrays to work's original creator. I understand your reverance for Jackson; some of us feel the same way about Tolkien.

I know a good number of feature film directors personally, and none of them who couldn't handle criticism ever made a second film. A great director asks for it, listens to it, welcomes all of it, because a great director is humble enough and wise enough to know that although he or she may be a jouneyman in their craft, what they don't know will always outweigh what they do know. Same for any of us in any of our respective fields. Jackson must be wondering what would have helped him to win that Oscar for best picture, he's got plenty of shots at it in the future, but the conclusions he reaches about that right now will profoundly affect every one of his future works. Years ago, I worked with two directors on a film that lost the best picture Oscar by only 30 votes, and no matter how they felt about it, the studio that made the film became obsessed with capturing that little golden man. The next eight films they made fell far short of the mark, they lost their focus and got caught up in an effort that was driven by ego, not by a love for the subject of their filmmaking.

That brings up one other brief point; a director NEVER has total creative control, especially when it comes to the script. The studio that ponies up the millions to make the picture always has a board that imposes it's wishes throughout the films creation. I wouldn't be at all surprised if New Line was pushing the Aragorn/ Arwen love story aspect hard to bring in the coveted 16-35 female demographic.

[Undomiel]

The whole point of this messageboard is to voice our opinions. Not everyone is going to have the same opinion as you, Mr Underhill, and it is hardly courteous to tell people to shut up. It's pretty offensive actually. I think almost everyone on this board love the film, it just happens that there are little parts of it we don't like. Just as with most films. We are only looking at tiny parts of the film and i think most people in this thread have said that overall they really enjoyed the film.

[Gilthoniel]

I should step back and say that I did very much enjoy one invention of Jackson's; the bridge/ stairway sequence in Khazad-dum. Gimli's comment aside, it was quite masterfully done (particularly the camera work and CG). Had Jackson stuck to the book, the imagery of the door would have felt redundant (closed doors at both the entrance to Moria and as a barrier at Balin's tomb) and certainly would have lacked the drama of the staircase seq. That was one gamble, IMHO, that really paid off!

[Adunauriel]

Ok, well scary moments of the movie aside. Some of the stuff I just read here was even more scary IMO. People were getiing far too angry for my likeing. It really is about free speech in this forum, and that's why I love it here... I hope everyone has taken the time to calm down.

The moment that made me cringe in the movie. I would probably have to go with when the Fellowship fought against the Cave troll. That whole scene just looked painful in one way or another...:)

[Gilthoniel]

Another scary moment from the new edition: the Uruk-Hai licking his own blood off a knife that Aragorn had just stabbed him with. Ewww!

[Adunauriel]

Eeeeeeeeeeewwwwwwwwwwwwwww........... ~shudders~:(

[Lintefaniel]

Aw! In terms of frightful, the best part is the nucky Uruk Hai being "born" from the pudding and gelatin!! But as for cheeseyness, gotta go with Elrond and his "You have only one choice." They way he says it is absolutely enjoyable!! Very Ominous you know in a Orson Wells kind of way.:rolleyes:

[Gilthoniel]

The Uruk-hai puddin' born! Yessir, that was a real "buffy the vampire slayer" moment!
Got to agree with you on Elrond, too. Did you know that David Bowie wanted that part? They passed him over because they wanted someone less identifiable (which is understandable from a filmmaking standpoint) but I've got to admit, I think Bowie would have made a pretty fine Elrond!

[Bonos-Girl]

you should go to the 'the role of elrond...' thread. it's either in the 'i love...' section or the 'general cast chat' section.....have fun!

[ToshiMustgrind]

I don't think I had a problem with the entire movie!
I'd have to watchit agian just to make sure, but I was fine with the movie

[Estel]

Elrond's "You shall be the Fellowship of the Ring" - Yuck! It was much better in the book
The Company of the Ring shall be Nine; and the Nine Walkers shall be set against the Nine Riders that are evil.

[Miruvor]

I hate to say, but I have NEW cringy scenes to complain about since the extended version came out.

1. I did not at all like seeing Bilbo act crazy at the beginning.
2. I totally dislike Aragorn singing.
3. I despise Gandalf talking that silly Black speech. It sounded like someone running a tape backwards. Plus it screwed up the civil tone of the council.
4. I despise Gandalf snapping at Pippin a second time at the doors of Moria. It's totally out of character for someone supposing to be wise. Plus Pippin didn't do anything really wrong. I was already cringing for the past year at his calling Pippin stupid at Balin's tomb. Now this.

(Most of the other additions were excellent and just what I was hoping for. I haven't quite finished it yet, so there may be more rants to come.)

[Aegis Of Pyros]

my favorite *CRINGE SCENE* would HAVE to be when the two old dudes fight. Now, think about it, for the love of all things good and sacred, why do we need to have some old dudes BREAK DANCING!?! every time i watch that part, i fall off my sofa, LMAO! roflmao roflmao roflmao

Anyway, i thought i'd just put this in, LATERZ!

:flamer: :battle:

:duh: :archer:

~Protection of Fire

[Little Devil]

I think it's funny when they're chucking each other at the walls, and screaming funny stuff. roflmao

[Aegis Of Pyros]

yeah, but still! COME ON! and did anyone notice that Chris Lee was in SW: AOTC?

Count Dooku: "We Must Join The Sith!"

Sarumon: "We Must Join With Sauron"

WTH!?!? I almost yelled at the screen when i first heard that, listen to both of those quotes, its kinda freaky.

~Protection of Fire

[Estel]

Gandalf's lines to Pippin were taken directly from the books, as well as using Black Speech at the Council of Elrond.

[Adunauriel]

Originally posted by Miruvor
3. I despise Gandalf talking that silly Black speech. It sounded like someone running a tape backwards. Plus it screwed up the civil tone of the council.
I agree with Estel, He speaks the Black Speech in the Book. So it's ment to be there, and most definately make you cringe. Much the same as it did for everyone at the Council Meeting... I actually think it will make the Council scene better. It was too nice for my tastes before. :)

[Estel]

The change in the wizard's voice was astounding. Suddenly it became menacing, powerful, harsh as stone. A shadow seemed to pass over the high sun and the porch for a moment grew dark. All trembled, and the Elves stopped their ears.

"Never before has any voice dared utter words of that tongue in Imladris, Gandalf the Grey', said Elrond as the shadow passed and the company breathed once again.

"And let us hope that none will ever speak it here again," answered Gandalf.

Taken directly from the books...PJ got it perfect!

[Tar-Ancalimë]

Originally posted by Miruvor
4. I despise Gandalf snapping at Pippin a second time at the doors of Moria. It's totally out of character for someone supposing to be wise. Plus Pippin didn't do anything really wrong. I was already cringing for the past year at his calling Pippin stupid at Balin's tomb. Now this. this too is directly from the book:
"What are you going to do then?" asked Pippin, undaunted by the wizard's bristling brows.

"Knock on the doors with your head, Peregrin Took," said Gandalf. "But if that does not shatter them, and I am allowed a little peace from foolish questions, I will seek for the opening words."






what i hated was celeborn's line: Caras Galadhon! The heart of elvendom on earth! Home of the Lord Celeborn, and of Galadriel, Lady of Light! eeeeew Haldir
a) is ugly
b) is stupid
c) has an annoying voice
d) the way he say this line is just HORRID!

heh lol......theres my rant ;)

[Miruvor]

"Knock on the doors with your head, Peregrin Took," said Gandalf. "But if that does not shatter them, and I am allowed a little peace from foolish questions, I will seek for the opening words."

I concede that was from the book, but when you read it it doesn't sound as hateful as the harsh tone with which it was acted. And, as humorous relief, it may have been OK if it was only done this once, and if the later dialog at Balin's tomb had left out the word 'stupidity', then I could have lived with the first attack.

I admit, I've only watched it once, so maybe I can get used to the abusiveness if I watch it over and over.

[Adunauriel]

I think you also have to look back at some of the not so intellegent things Pippin says through out the film. My fave line of Pippins is a prime example.

Pippin: "Besides, you need people of intellegence on this sort of mission, quest, thing."

Merry: "Well I guess that leaves you out."

Then Elrond says something I can't remember. Dealing with the Fellowship of the Ring.. Blah, blah, blah.....Then Pippin says......

Pippin: "Great, where are we going."

I'm not saying Pippin's stupid from these quotes, but he's not necessarily the brightest light bulb either....:)

[Tar-Ancalimë]

those are all movie lines........

:rolleyes:lol

[Estel]

I really prefer Gandalf's comment to Pippin in the book, who was PURPOSELY dropping stones into the well:
"Fool of a Took! This is a serious journey, not a hobbit walking party. Throw yourself in next time, and then you will be no further nuisance.

:elfqueen:

[Orkybash]

I liked the idea of the black speech, and the speech its self was done really well. But after things calm down, and Elrond reprimands Gandalf for using that language...

Don't hate me for saying this, OK? It's just my impression...

The way Gandalf delivered his line sounded more appropriate for Bakshi's Lord of the Rings than Jackson's. I think the problems are the overtrilled R's, the horrible recording quality (noticably worse than surrounding lines!), and just the general feeling that this guy isn't as much a wizard as he is an evil prophet of doom (tm)! No, it's not pretty stuff he says, but he could have gotten the point off a lot more effectively than he did!

One of the few thing's I'm actually sorry got put back in...

[Miruvor]

Estel and Orkybash, you are so right. My sentiments exactly! On both counts.

[Adunauriel]

Originally posted by Tar-Ancalimë
those are all movie lines........

:rolleyes:lol Ok Tar. I'm a little confused. Are you saying this because you thought they were funny? Or, because you thought they were out of place? Like you thought I shouldn't have used them as part of my point. I said they were from the movie, so there couldn't have been confusion on that part. Anyways, I ment them to be funny, but also to show that in the movie as well as in the book. Pippin hasn't been givin any unwarented anger when it comes to his foolishness. He did at several times put the Fellowship into dangerous situations. Well atleast more danger then they were allready in. Finally if I have in any way misunderstood what you ment then please feel free to trout me for my foolishness..... :grin:

[Tar-Ancalimë]

Originally posted by Orkybash
I liked the idea of the black speech, and the speech its self was done really well. But after things calm down, and Elrond reprimands Gandalf for using that language...

Don't hate me for saying this, OK? It's just my impression...

The way Gandalf delivered his line sounded more appropriate for Bakshi's Lord of the Rings than Jackson's. I think the problems are the overtrilled R's, the horrible recording quality (noticably worse than surrounding lines!), and just the general feeling that this guy isn't as much a wizard as he is an evil prophet of doom (tm)! No, it's not pretty stuff he says, but he could have gotten the point off a lot more effectively than he did!

One of the few thing's I'm actually sorry got put back in... no i dont hate you for that, i completely agree!



as for what i posted, adunauriel, i meant simply that that part of pippens character was from the movie and not the book. when i was quoting from the book to miruvor, i was trying to show how pippen really was reprimanded...the book character... but dont think i thought they were out of place... cause i didnt...and even if i did... it wouldnt matter a bit ;)

i think you did misunderstand if you thought i was telling you you shouldnt have posted what you did.... :trout:

lol

[Undomiel]

oooo ive finally seen all the new scenes etc. i love this version sooo much. For me the most improved thing was Lórien. It was so much better. I could even forgive Galadriel for going nuclear coz she was so good after with showing her ring and everything and the convo with Aragorn. The only addition i didnt like was having to put up with Haldir for longer. I loved the additional lines form everyone. It all seems to fit much better some how. The things that i cringe about arent quite so noticeable:thumbs::)

[Adunauriel]

Thanks for the trouting Tar. I think I wasn't so much misunderstanding what you ment, just unsure. Well maybe that was misunderstanding you. It's ok thou, I think we were both just trying to show that Pippin often get into trouble. Sometimes putting the rest of the Fellowship into peril along with himself. So that when Gandalf criticizes him for his foolishness. It may seem harsh, but it's not unwarented..... ;)

[Ithielnor]

ok back on suject, the cringe scenes.;)

The wizard fight.
Frodo's death in balin's tomb (almost).
Nuclear galadriel.

these are the three worst, others have already elaborated on them so I won't. I'll have to watch it again to find the rest.:);)

[Adunauriel]

I will also add my agreement to the icky factor of the Uruk-Hai pudding birth....... Eeeeewwwwwww.....pfbbt :p

[Adamanta Baggins]

haha, yeah that! it looks like molasses goo..... so sick....

"What's this? A ranger, caught off his guard?"

i swear, i have nothing against arwen..... but liv tyler..... it could have been anybody but her!! any scene with arwen just gets me. the fact that she took over glorfindel's part just frustrates me. they could have totally left her out and introduced him instead (he's cooler anyway), which would have been awesome. as far as anything else really making me cringe..... not really.

-Adamanta

[Adunauriel]

Well Adamanta, you've joined a very large club. Alot of us wonder about that very Question. Why wasn't Glorfindel in the Movie? Liv Tyler that's why, but I would't go so far as to say it's all her fault. Alot of other people had to agree for the parts of Glorfindel & Arwen to get combined. It's just a shame that's all, IMO......:)

[Moses]

The reason for Arwen taking over Glorfindels part is not because Liv wanted more scenes or money or whatanyone thinks. Its because PJ made it that Arwen is introduced because of her roles in TTT and RotK. TTT because of her love-triangle with Eowyn and Aragorn and RotK because she becomes Queen.

Glorfindel never even had a large role in FotR

[Tar-Ancalimë]

well of course that is part of it.

but i think you are just ignoring the other part of it if you say that it has nothing to do with Liv or her dad's influence, becuase it does. :p

and the love triangle thing is such a weak plot device. tolkien didnt need it; why should pj??

RotK i guess i cant have a problem with her inclusion...she does after all appear in the book... but if they give her another role that doesnt belong to her... well then... i will be a little unhappy :(

[Lintefaniel]

I completely agree Tar, another role not designated for Arwen would be disconcerting to say the least. As for the triangle, again I agree, there seems no doubt in the book that Aragorn feigns no weakness towards Eowyn beyond concern for her health and well being and I don't think a "love triangle" is a necessary plot, but oh well. I do feel that Arwen's roles in the movies may eventually be key to exposing the man in Aragorn that is worthy to become the King. Although she plays a little role in the books as opposed to the role PJ has her playing in the movies, I personally always wanted to know exactly what kind of relationship there was between the King and his Queen. PJ's artistic license on this subject is alright by me if it means we get a better glimpse into these two extraordinary people of middle earth.

Don't get me wrong I adore the books and Tolkien, but I felt a little confused as to why a person given the opportunity to live forever would give that up to become a man's wife? Not that I wouldn't do the same in her position (especially if it's Viggo!!) but it's just a curiousity of mine to find out why she would want to do it. Was it her choice? Arranged from Aragorns birth? In the stars? Or just true love conquering all, even immortality?

Call me a hopeless romantic, but I am grateful for PJ's desire to expound upon the relationship between Arwen and Aragorn. I anticipate the next 2 movies for many reasons and this is just one....:loveyou::loveyou:

[Adunauriel]

Those are somewhat my sentiments. I just wish that Glorfindel sould have been in the first Movie, that's all.....;)

[Orkybash]

Last I heard, the love triangle was just a tabliod rumor, nothing official. Has this changed?

BTW, on the extended DVD PJ explains once and for all why he changed Glorfindel to Arwen. Basically, it all boils down to not wanting audiences to be introduced to ANOTHER character that won't even show up again, especially right before we get introduced to a lot of now people in Rivendell. Remember that these aren't just movies for people who have read the book - they have to be just as enjoyable for people who haven't.

[Tar-Ancalimë]

he says that.

he says what fans like you wanna hear... ok?

the influence truly is a large factor in that decision. and pj obvioulsy couldnt completely escape that attitude about stars.

lin, about the triangle, i agree, its romantic. but its not lotr, thats my problem with it.
(tee hee :p i just oredered the poster of Aragorn, Eowyn, and Arwen :p.........lol how pathetic)

[Orkybash]

Yeah, but at the same time I don't think he completely lied on the DVD. Whether it was his main reason or not, I happen to agree with it.

[Moses]

Orkybash, I totally agree with you.
PJ had to make it understandable to people who didn't read the book, and it was because of this that more people are reading the books.

[Togo Bleecker]

anyway back to moments that made you cringe, how about arwens crying scene during the flight to the ford

[Tar-Ancalimë]

lol i think weve already defintely covered that scene... it is my least favorite in the whole movie...

as for livs role... sure its a reason... i never said it wasnt... if i did, im sorry :grin:

[Orkybash]

Well, it did sound like you were saying "PJ's just saying that to appease the fans, the only reason he did it was to have more liv!", and though I think that might have been a motivation for using that particular character the fact that he cut Glorfindel is entirely understandable. Plus, using Arwen at least makes some sense plot-wise. In Bakshi's version, it was Legolas... WHY!?

But, anyway, it's not a big problem, we all have our own opinions on what changes were necessary and why. No harm, no foul. :)

[Adunauriel]

Well another scene that made me cringe, was the Fight at Weathertop. It's not so much cause of gooeyness like the Uruk-Hai pudding birth stuff, or the Cave troll killing stuff. It's more because it's dark, and only the Hobbits are there to begin with. So, at first it's only them up against 5 of the Ringwraiths... It's just really scary to me, expecially after Frodo get's stabbed. I just cringe at that part.:(

[Lintefaniel]

It's a bit painful indeed! As for cringe on both pain and brainhurt pain....When the Uruk Hai grabs the hilt of the sword and apulls himself onto the rest of the blade while growling at Aragorn... It's got a cheesey quality too it but mostly it's incredibly nifty!!

[Ithielnor]

Hey, have you checked out aragorns eyes in that scene? As the Uruk-hai is pulling on the sword his eyes get wide and frightened looking. That was a cringe moment for me 'cause the Uruk-hai looks like he's trying to bite him. ;)

[Adamanta Baggins]

lol!

okay this parts makes me cringe... literally... not because it annoys me (like liv) but because it's just nasty lol. on the extended dvd, when lurtz pulls the knife out of his leg, HE LICKS THE BLADE! before he throws it at aragorn. i totally didnt get that. sickness.

-Adamanta

[Adunauriel]

I believe someone posted about that earlier. But yes it's very Eeeeeewwwwwww......:p

[Togo Bleecker]

just trying to get back on topic sorry for bringing up already said topics...any new scenes people find annoying

[Tar-Ancalimë]

ah yes... like haldirs stupid stupid horrible quote that i posted in here earlier... ah and where he licks the blade (no... i didnt find that annoying... i was just a little freaked, but, no, i thought it was good :grin: )

[Adunauriel]

Yea, I guess for Lurtz to lick his blood of the dagger. Is sort of fitting, but still Eeeewwwww......:p Also the Part where he pulls himself forward on Aragorns blade, & growls... Just makes me shudder.... I would have chopped his head off to if he did that to me......:p

[Bonos-Girl]

i loved the part where he licked the knife...it was so cool!!!

[Estel]

I would have chopped his head off to if he did that to me......

Aragorn DID chop his head off! :LOL

[Darth Saruman]

no cringers for me, i thought all the moments that were there to lighten up the movie, were put in exactly the right place...kind of like in Braveheart.

[TheRingBearer]

One of the new cringe worthy moments I've just realised, is the pun that Sauron says during the mirror of galadriel scene. When Frodo looks in and the flaming eye appears, it says in a deep voice "I see you" or "Eye see you" depending on how you take it lol. I don't really have a problem with it but it just seemed quite worthy of a cringe...lol

[Adunauriel]

That's a very interesting thought you've brought up Bearer... Was he saying "I see you", or "Eye see you". Kind of funny also, would fit into PJ humor for it to be ment as "Eye see you". I'm not really sure that it's worthy of cringe thou.. Actually it now makes me want to giggle....;) lol

[Ralenquil]

Council of Elrond when Legolas stnad up and says to Borimir,
This is no mere ranger this Aragorn son of Arathorn you owe him your allegiance.

I was like ick shut up and sit down elf boy

[Bonos-Girl]

what i don't get is why they say 'aragorn son of arathorn' etc....surely even if they were this formal then they would have already been introduced to each other?

[Togo Bleecker]

well seeing as how i think we have pointed out every single annoying moment in lotr i figured i would add my new peeve about TTT, the trailers anyway. Everytime i watch that one trailer (Sam- "i dont think Gandalf meant for us to come this way....Frodo- "he didnt mean for alot of things to happen Sam...i think thats the one) something that annoys me and makes me cringe is when Sam declares to frodo "lets just tie him up and leave him here" and Gollum yells out no...sure that is just how i imagined Gollums voice, but i hope it isnt THAT annoying throughout the film. Its just so squeaky it reminds me of nails on a chalk board or something. I have been realived though because when watching other trailers i have been assured that his voice isnt that bad. And might i add as a finishing up thing, andy serkis look WONDERFUL!! and how DOES he make that voice?!

[Adunauriel]

Originally posted by Bonos-Girl
what i don't get is why they say 'aragorn son of arathorn' etc....surely even if they were this formal then they would have already been introduced to each other? It didn't have any sort of introduction in the book... I think it fits thou, As to the fact that Aragorn wanted everyone to think he was just a Ranger... I don't know, maybe I'm wrong, but I think it showed the first allegience between the fellowship... An Elf standing up for a Human, bacause he (the Elf) knew it was the right thing to do...;)

[Bena]

I agree Adunauriel. I think it's that, but also I think it's an homage to all epics. I just read Beowulf, and every time they said his name he was "Beowulf son of Edgetho" or "Hrothgar son of Healdane." Tolkien was a Beowulf expert, PJ must of known this and maybe he decided to flavor his film with epic elements. Just my thoughts on the issue. :)

[Sharky]

Originally posted by Iarfirithwen
like Gimli son of Gloin, as opposed to that other Gimli character who lives half way up the mountain .. what's e's name ... Gimli son of .....?

Gimli son of Groin. ;)

[Iarfirithwen]

[OOops sorry Sharky I just deleted the above post - now this one - so I could do some serious editing because I was getting close to the 15 min editing limit]

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Isn't it also a way to distinguish people from others with the same name and without what we have/consider as a surname
like Gimli son of Gloin, as opposed to that other Gimli character who lives half way up the mountain .. what's e's name ... Gimli son of .....? lol

Yeh, Adunauriel, I hadn't thought there had been proper introductions either (inc off screen). It would make sense for him to want to remain incognito until Boromir challenges his credibility.


Re: The knife licking thing. I actually liked it. Well I mean, I like that it was in there, it was a case of a major yeewwwww when I first ssaw it. But I liked in the sense that it seemed very in character for Lurtz. Its a bit of major sabre-rattling. Like 'hey man, you can stab me in the leg with your big shiny elven blade but it doesn't worry me and look I can lickmy own blood off and I like it ... so take that. You can't hurt me you big namby-pansy chunk of man-flesh. I'll be eating you next!' ....or soemthing along those lines lol

Re: "I/eye see you" I hadn't thought of it like that before. Though I think I still take it as "I" see you. Actually when I say "Eye. See. You" It reminds me of "Baa. Ram. Ewe." from Babe roflmao

[Iarfirithwen]

Originally posted by Sharky
Gimli son of Groin. ;)
As opposed to:

Gimli son of Groin-no-more
roflmao



[sounds like something out of The Goodies :grin: ]

[Adunauriel]

It does, and that sort of bothers me... Kind of makes me wanna cringe....;) lol Ok, maybe not really.....

[Huan the Hound]

I like Arwen, but the line to Frodo "Come back to the light" just kills me. At least it is in elvish. Even Frodo rolls his eyes at that line! ;)

All the squeaking Frodo does with his morgul knife wound in the scene with the stone trolls and after. Gaak!

[Adunauriel]

Yep, those two moments are a bit anoying....:)

[Achila]

I had only two cringes that happened when I saw it in the theatre:

I thought the Balrog looked stupid. Can you say Ray Harryhausen?

And the part in Moria when Frodo is stabbed by the cave troll. Why did he do that weird wheezing noise again, like when he was stabbed by the Nazgul? And then they open his shirt to reveal what looks like girlie underwear -- the mithril was a little too pretty.

[Amoraq]

I agree. Frodo's extended groaning was a little too much. I mean, I can unterstand with the mordor knife but he wasn't even hurt in the cave troll scene. :rolleyes:

[Amoraq]

It was also annoying when Arwen was crying over Frodo at the ford. I mean, give me a break, she doesn't even know him!

[Gwaihir]

That was indeed annoying! It wasn't that smart of her, either. Remember how she was in so much hurry to bring Frodo to Rivendell, and right after getting rid of the Nazguls, she gets down from the horse and starts weeping like an emotional relative of his! :rolleyes: It would have been more sensible of her to gallop on to Rivendell. It also is weird because at the next scene Frodo is already healing. One moment his condition is critical, and Arwen expects to lose him, then at the next moment he is fully conscious in Rivendell. It really was unnatural to me! roflmao

[SindarinGirl]

I try and imagine Arwen is just tweaked that she rode so hard and put up with Frodo's wheezing and drooling all over her only to have him die just as she got him to safety.
"No Frodo , don't give in - my dad will kill me! And Aragorn will be mad, and everyone will say it's my fault."

I can't stand Hugo Weaving's Elrond - Put him back into the Matrix and leave acting to real people, not wooden computer constructs. I thought WETA did a pretty good job with all their "other" computer generated characters, though - the Cave Troll was much more believable.
"You shall be... (dun dun dun dun) the Fellowship of the Ring. Does everyone get that, that's why the name of this is The Fellowship of the Ring, understand? Because these folks are all going together with the Ring, okay? Are we all together on this?"

Totally MHO :p

[Adunauriel]

It's a good opinion, but that's why I like Elrond better in the Extended Edition.. In the Theatrical Version, he did seem very mechanical....;)

[Achila]

Originally posted by SindarinGirl
"You shall be... (dun dun dun dun) the Fellowship of the Ring. Does everyone get that, that's why the name of this is The Fellowship of the Ring, understand? Because these folks are all going together with the Ring, okay? Are we all together on this?"


Yup -- that's a total cringer moment, made even worse by Pippin's prior "You need people of intelligence on this mission, quest, thing." Yuck. But luckily, his line of "Great....where are we going?" that comes afterwards lightens it a little.

[Undomiel]

yep i agree on that one too. I wish they had stuck to the book with Elrond's speech then something along the lines of "You shall be the Nine Walkers, set against the Nine Riders" or summat. Far less theatrical, and saying the name of the film in the film just sounded cheesy.

[Amoraq]

I didn't think Pippin's line "you need people of intelligence on this mission, quest, thing." was that bad. It was kinda funny.
Elrond's line, " you shall be... The Fellowship of the Ring" was really cheesy though. pfbbt

[SindarinGirl]

Yeah, Undomiel, that would have been much better - sticking closer to the actual lines.
I'll have to look at the DVD again -sigh, what a chore! :p - to see if more of Elrond makes a better Elrond. It definitely worked for Boromir - but that was a different issue.

And absolutely, Pippin's intelligence comment could have been left on the cutting room floor, or better yet, in the pages of script that were scrapped.
But I did laugh at "Great, where are we going?" :grin: I agree, that kind of saves the scene.

Totally MHO

[Achila]

Originally posted by SindarinGirl
And absolutely, Pippin's intelligence comment could have been left on the cutting room floor, or better yet, in the pages of script that were scrapped.


What he says in the book is: "There must be someone with intelligence in the party." Obviously, this IS a little stiff, but the line didn't have to be THAT stupid to make the point.

[Adunauriel]

I loved Pippins line "You need people of intelligence on this sort of mission, quest, thing..." I think it was totally Pippin...;) lol

[TheRingBearer]

Yeah but still a bit cringey imo

[Adunauriel]

It's ok, I don't expect anyone to change their mind...;)

[P.K. Brandybuck]

Pippin is cool.

I cringe when Gandalf threatens to dash poor Pippin's head against the door of Moria. (sounds painful) *extended version*

I cringe when Gandalf falls after saying: Fly you fools! and Frodo yells: NOOOOOOOOO.. (kinda reminds me of Star Wars when Kenobi dies) He didn't say: No! -- in the book!!!

[Adunauriel]

Yea, but the NOOOOOO seemed fitting int the movie.... IMO...;)

[Achila]

I think the objection is more about seeing it in slo-mo, with Elijah's mouth so wide open you can see his tonsils! lol

[Adunauriel]

Yea, that's pretty bad... Didn't think of it like that...lol

[Amoraq]

There were lots of slow motion moments that were sort of cringy. Like when he got wounded also. They just show him groaning forever. pfbbt

[Adunauriel]

They sure do, but those moments usually make me laugh...:)

[Amoraq]

laugh? well sort of. they're just so weird.lol

[Adunauriel]

Well, the moaning plays to the dirty part of my mind....:)

[Amoraq]

lol

[Achila]

Yeah...but there's "good" moaning, and that didn't sound like that to me! lol

[Adunauriel]

No, not really that's usually why it makes me laugh... I've got a warped mind...:p

[Undomiel]

the bit where Frodo gets stabbed by the cave troll. I thought that went a bit OTT with Elijah-mainly coz it was in slow motion. It would have been ok if afterwards he admitted that it had hurt, but he does all this groaning like he's gonna die and then suddenly when Aragorn get's there he's like "o actually i'm fine".

The bit where Frodo yells noooo. i like that bit. It makes me cry-coz the nooo just sounds so desperate and sad :(