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Maedhros
September 16th,2002, 02:54 PM
It is obvious from the Ainulindalė that the Valar had definitely a love for the Eldar:
And so it was that as this vision of the World was played before them, the Ainur saw that it contained things which they had not thought. And they saw with amazement the coming of the Children of Ilśvatar, and the habitation that was prepared for them; and they perceived that they themselves in the labour of their music had been busy with the preparation of this dwelling, and yet knew not that it had any purpose beyond its own beauty.
Now the Valar took to themselves shape and hue; and because they were drawn into the World by love of the Children of Ilśvatar, for whom they hoped, they took shape after that manner which they had beheld in the Vision of Ilśvatar, save only in majesty and splendour.
But they didn't love all of the Eldar in the same way.
Manwė and Varda loved most the Vanyar, the Fair Elves; but the Noldor were beloved of Aulė, and he and his people came often among them. Great became their knowledge and their skill; yet even greater was their thirst for more knowledge, and in many things they soon surpassed their teachers.
When many years had passed, Ulmo hearkened to the prayers of the Noldor and of Finwė their king. Who grieved at their long sundering from the Teleri, and besought him to bring them to Aman, if they would come. And most of them proved now willing indeed; but great was the grief of Ossė when Ulmo returned to the coasts of Beleriand, to bear them away to Valinor
It is interesting to note that while Aulė loved the Noldor the most, he didn't helped them after their rebellion as Ulmo did. Now, it's something to wonder at.

Algamesh
September 16th,2002, 09:27 PM
Aulė also kinda dissappears as a prominent entity following the events of the Kinslaying, etc. . Could he have suffered a great dissappointment of the Noldor and then chose to withdraw himself from the events of the world as much?

Maedhros
September 16th,2002, 11:24 PM
The interesting point about it, is that in the Fall of Gondolin, some of the Noldor that dwell there still reverenced Aulė more than any other Ainur.
Now the last of the battalions was furnished by the folk of the Hammer of Wrath, and of these came many of the best smiths and craftsmen, and all that kindred reverenced Aulė the Smith more than all other Ainur.
Seems to me that they should have kept listening to Ulmo because he was the one that didn't abandoned them after the Doom of Mandos.

Finrod Felagund
September 18th,2002, 02:28 PM
I think they (Valar) for the most part loved the Eldar in a parent/offspring way, I also think Ulmo was more involved with the Exiles because he had easier access via oceans, rivers and streams. Although the Valar were Gods, they still had to walk/ride/sail wherever they went. Seems like they could fly also but not teleport. In other words, it seems they became less involved with the ME elves because it was too much trouble. Only after Earendil risked death and begged for help did they as a whole lift a finger to help the ME elves out. And end up wrecking the place in the process.
Sorry about the ramble.

As great smiths and not mariners it would make sense to give more reverence to their teacher Aule than to Ulmo. Also, some of the Noldorian smiths probably studied directly under Aule and new him personally, so I feel it was more a student/teacher reverence than a worshipper/god reverence