NO ARWEN!!!!!!!!(Helm's Deep rumours)

[Undomiel]

OK i have some quotes for everyone. These were in SFX magazine, both partly quoted from Brian Sibley (author of the movie guides):

"I'm intrigued to see how they develop the relationship between Aragorn and Arwen when they haven't got Arwen in the story," says Sibley, "because Arwen's back at base camp. I think dramatically that will be interesting"

"At one time Arwen was going to be a kick-*** warrior princess. No more. The decision to go back to the book was made before FOTR was released, but at one point she was to be a Helm's Deep with the elves.
"Some of that stuff was shot," says Sibley. "I don't think we'll get any glimpses of that."

So what do you think???
I'm not sure coz it seems to go against what we've heard so far, but comments are needed!

[Lady Ashley]

:grin: :grin:

Yay! I saw that the other day. Hope it's true!!! (But when does she deliver Anduril? Last I heard she may be doing that...) *shrug* Oh well. No Arwen at HD!

[TheRingBearer]

Maybe Arwen gives Aragorn Anduril near the beginning of the movie. Maybe she goes to Edoras? Who knows? lol I can't dam wait for this film!!! :thumbs:

[Orkybash]

Yeah, I saw that yesterday too. These are indeed good tidings!

[Galadriel]

yes i think it would be better if arwen was not at hd.

[Tar-Ancalimë]

for sure! i dont mind arwen but jeez! how could they do that with tyler and make it actually good?

[Sindarin]

Fascinating... :read:

[Catz]

well i certainly hope thats true...but we all know what the rumour mills like....the only way to know for sure is to WAS (wait and see)
:catz:

[Mazarbul]

Well, I DO think that Arwen will be at Helm's Deep together with an army of Rivendell/Lórien elves led by Haldir. I don't like it, but at least she won't participate in the battle. She's there to deliver Andúril and the standard to Aragorn. ;)

[TheRingBearer]

yeah, then she'll leave and probably go back to Lorien, not to be seen again until ROTK.

[Bonos-Girl]

yippeeeee!!!!

[Gowpon]

Well, actually I don't mind if she doesn't fight. The point isn't if she is AT there, it's if she FIGHTS or not! So if she doesn't fight, and just simply be there to deliver Narsil and keep Aragorn company, i won't mind

[Tar-Ancalimë]

argh... tyler... argh... we dont need to see more of her... argh. make her wait til rotk

[Gowpon]

What is WRONG with her?

You have to know that PJ is the one that is making the movies!

No offence.

[Narsil's weilder]

I like Arwen but any decision for the book is better for all.

[Tar-Ancalimë]

i dont like tyler.

or do you mean whats wrong with arwen? nothing, shes just played by tyler.

[Gowpon]

Don't dislike a role just because of its player!
Try to enjoys every moment of the movie!! lol ;) :p

[Catz]

but thats just it Gowpon....i DONT dislike the role...i dislike the way Liv played it....
:catz:

[Bonos-Girl]

ha ha ha.......i agree but i also dislike arwewns role...she completely stole everyone elses lines.....how comes you can get in prison from stealing material things but not for stealing speeches?!?!

[Undomiel]

Originally posted by Gowpon
Well, actually I don't mind if she doesn't fight. The point isn't if she is AT there, it's if she FIGHTS or not! So if she doesn't fight, and just simply be there to deliver Narsil and keep Aragorn company, i won't mind

well the way i see it, is that if she isn't there then seh DEFINITELY cant fight.:thumbs: to be honest i dont dislike Arwen or Tyler particularly. I thought she did ok with her role. i'd just rather they stayed closer to the books. If she fights then the audience arent gonna think it's that big a deal when Eowyn dresses as a man so that she can fight. (if that makes any sense at all lol)

[Galadriel14]

In that picture were she is laid down in some sort of bed, well, I wanna know, is she dead? ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) :p :p :p :p :p

[Gowpon]

There's something reeeeealy important:

If you don't like the way Liv plays Arwen, actually it's NOT her fault. Or at least 80% of it isn't. Because how the chracters are are PJ's doing. How they act, how they say. It's pretty much be arranged. So Arwen like THAT isn't really 100% Liv's doing!
;)

[A! Elbereth]

I really don't have an opinion about Arwen... it really doesnt concern me...:huh:

[Mirkgirl]

Originally posted by Galadriel14
In that picture were she is laid down in some sort of bed, well, I wanna know, is she dead? ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) :p :p :p :p :p

one can hope, lol :evilcool:

Not really and the part is result of both Livs and PJ's work..... I liked neither

[Tar-Ancalimë]

oooh no loved Pjs work cause it produced LotR. but dont like tyler nope that girl is not a good actress

[Catz]

Originally posted by Gowpon
There's something reeeeealy important:

If you don't like the way Liv plays Arwen, actually it's NOT her fault. Or at least 80% of it isn't. Because how the chracters are are PJ's doing. How they act, how they say. It's pretty much be arranged. So Arwen like THAT isn't really 100% Liv's doing!
;)

actually thats not true.....in some directors cases it may be.....but PJ tends to let his actors "find" their own characters....and anyway...like i said i dont have a problem with her lines....just the way she delivers them. for example, even that damn line "whats this? a ranger caught off his guard" which makes me cringe...could have worked if she hadnt put on that ridiculous smug tone...she sounded like the lead in a buddy cop show....urrrrgghh...had she delivered it playfully perhaps it just might have worked....but thats water under the bridge...
i also have to take issue with "how they act"....yes they are given very detailed blocks to that they are in the right place at the right time....but you only need to see two actors go thru the same scene to realise that even there there is sooooo much room for variation.
and anyway, speaking of directorial input, Liv couldnt even do Arwen as they wanted....she couldnt handle the phyical stuff at all....and i would imagine that had she not had a very good contract she wouldnt in fact have been kept on once this was realised....she just wasnt very good....adquate....but the part could have been so much better...its a real pity
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[Bonos-Girl]

I agree......it's not PJ's fault at all.......

[TheRingBearer]

well he's the director and he's directing Liv to play the character how he sees it.

[Lady Ashley]

She 'looks' like Arwen, but hello, does not act like her. Actually, if one thinks about it, we don't really know book Arwen's personality. We know she was kind and beautiful and was willing to give up her immortality for Aragorn, but was there anything else? hmmm. I doubt very much she was a warrior Elf as depicted by the film, though I will say we don't know. Mr. Tolkien did not say she couldn't fight.

Well, it would seem that PJ took advantage of having only a few obscure facts about Arwen/Arwen's personality. If only he would just leave her at Rivendell until ROTK...Maybe most would forgive her about saving Frodo.

But I knew all along she would show up. It's a fact one doesn't usually put a person into one film of 3 to leave them them alone the other two films. *sigh*

But don't think I'm completely sympathetic to PJ. I'm only trying to look from a director's point of view...as well as a fan's.

[Galadriel14]

Does she get married with Aragorn? I would love to see them together! :smooch:

[Catz]

well i certainly hope so.....after having to suffer her thru three movies i at least want a spectacular wedding to goggle at in payback lolroflmao
:catz:

[Eowyn]

I heard that a lot of emphasis was put on a 'love triangle' you know the one. aaaahhhhhhhh! LOTR is not a love story. it's so much more than that.

[Lady Ashley]

I whole-heartily agree! It's not a love story...that's the one thing it lacks, and does not really need. The romance in there...hidden and mostly in the Appendix, but it's not needed. It's great as it is!

Love triangle...blah. pfbbt

[Nessa]

I think Lotr has romance, but just in the right amount. ;)

A love triangle? Those tend to be so corny and cliched in films, I'd really hate to see it turn out that way....... but despite all of the mistakes I can see happening, PJ overdoing romance just isn't one of them.

[Tar-Ancalimë]

aw I have faith in PJ... and TTT... no matter how much romance there'll be I will still love it! :loveyou:

[Lothiriel]

The less Arwen, the better. I like her in the books, but seeing as how she's not in TTT, I don't think I will like her much in the movie of it.
~Kristen

[Loravarnion Darkstone]

I wouldn't mind the love triangle if it was shown very subtly, I don't think that Aragorn would ever ever be even remotely interested in Eowyn, I would deal if it was just Eowyn and Arwen shooting ugly looks at each other.

[Isiltári]

I agree, I never got the impression that Aragorn was even remotely romantically interested in Éowyn. When I saw the preview to TTT, I caught a glimpse of what looked like romantic interest on his part (when they were "dueling," and where did THAT come from), and I was like, "Whaaaaat?"

[Tar-Ancalimë]

Hey! I think Aragorn had really tender--excuse the word sorry if this makes you hate me-- feelings towards Eowyn. He was really very sorry he couldn't love her and he always wished her the best of luck and happiness. The impression I got from that look, isiltari, was that he was pitying her very strongly. And you know after she gets married, he I think is fonder of her than ever.

Just my opinion. :grin:

[Undomiel]

do you reckon Eowyn and Arwen will meet? i really hope not-too cringeworthy for words.

[Catz]

hmmmm i hope not too....but we shall see....and i agree with you Tar......feelings arent just about male/female mates stuff...there are infinite shadings to feelings, and yeah i always felt that Aragorn valued Eowyn greatly and was genuinly sorry he couldnt be what she wanted....that doesnt mean he was faithless.....quite the opposite in fact.
:catz:

[Bramblerose Bunce]

I agree with both of you Tar and Catz! Aragorn remained faithfull to Arwen and yet was very respectful towards Eowyn. I really hope that the Hollywood dudes keep their sticky fingers from that area!

And I guess that Arwen has to get into this movie.. so we don't forget about her! :naughty: I wouldn't mind if she didn't come to visit, because it does not fit with my image of her. However, the movie already moved from that witht the first movie.. so what would I know? *bites thoughtfully into an apple and wonders how Arwen is supposed to join in..without joining in*

hrmm! :)

[Tar-Ancalimë]

hrmm... I think they should consult us fans!

...not that they ever do o/c.

[Eowyn]

Originally posted by Tar-Ancalimë
Hey! I think Aragorn had really tender--excuse the word sorry if this makes you hate me-- feelings towards Eowyn. He was really very sorry he couldn't love her and he always wished her the best of luck and happiness. The impression I got from that look, isiltari, was that he was pitying her very strongly. And you know after she gets married, he I think is fonder of her than ever.

Just my opinion. :grin:

please don't use the word pity! :angry:

all she wanted to do was go and fight. why not say yes come along rather than leave her and feel sorry for her!

[Isiltári]

Oh, it was obvious that he cared for her deeply and thought fondly of her.....that's why I clarified that I never got the impression that he had any romantic feelings for her. ;)

[Arwen, Elven Princes]

I like the idea of Aragorn being kind and respectful to Eowyn and valuing her, and a little fondness(I am beginning to like Eowyn just as much a Arwen.) Like they had some relation, you know: Cousins or something. But I HATE the romance thing! But, everyone remember, Arwen is a descendent of Luthien, or whatever her name was, and it said in the book that she and Beren removed the Dark Lord from his throne and Luthien rescued Beren from being a captive of the Dark Lord. So my point is, Arwen may have taken after her and has that same boldness and may have learned to fight just like Eowyn. Hey, if Eowyn can fight, so can Arwen...
And Galadriel! *Cackles.*:elfeek:
Wait a minute, I never thought of the Beautiful Galadriel wielding a sword...

[Eowyn]

but we don't need Arwen to learn to fight. The point is in the books Eowyn was the strong female character that did the fighting. Arwen represented a loving side she wasn't meant to fight.

and btw the thought of galadriel with a sword. :o yikes!

[Gowpon]

Hey, can we just drop the topic of Arwen fighting?
Cuz we've been talking about this for decades!!!!
Everyone just feels different about it, that's all. And everything is just up to PJ.

So....:thumbs:

[Loravarnion Darkstone]

I think Arwen will join in without joining in by being down in the catacombs trying to protect the refugees, if there is any fighting done on her behalf then it won't be shown.

[Catz]

yep.....youre probably right Darkstone...
:catz:

[Loravarnion Darkstone]

:elfeek: :elfeek: :elfeek: :elfeek: :elfeek: :elfeek: :elfeek: :elfeek:
whats this? Catz is agreeing with me? and a ranger caught of his guard?
:elfqueen: :battle:

[Undomiel]

Originally posted by Loravarnion Darkstone
I think Arwen will join in without joining in by being down in the catacombs trying to protect the refugees, if there is any fighting done on her behalf then it won't be shown.

That may well be it. :thumbs: that would be ok really.

[Catz]

roflmao roflmao roflmao @Darkstone
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